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Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1289	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:07:00 - [1] - Quote Dear members of Planet Fight Club and the Dust Community, It has become clear that the members of Planet Fight Club need to be the ones that establish the rules of engagement for the planet, but require a strong backer to be able to enforce those rules. It is with this in mind that an interim council has been established. The interim council will set the rules of PFC and will vote on violations, and the council's rulings will be enforced by a contract with Negative-Feedback. The external attacks on Planet Fight Club have also continued and it seems several entities would like nothing more than to burn PFC to the ground. With Molden Heath locked down PFC is the last bastion of competitive play in the region and must be maintained. With this in mind Negative-FeedbackGÇÖs contract with PFC will include taking steps to remove corporations that lock their districts and place new corporations on PFC in consultation with the Fight Club Council. With the need of maintaining PFC and the backing of the council, the members of PFC will contribute weekly to fund that will maintain the PFC contract with Negative-Feedback and be used to finance actions requested by the council and to maintain PFC. One week from this announcement will be allowed before the weekly deposit goes into effect so that the council can establish itself and the needed procedures put in place. The following will be members of the interim council: Council Administrator: Soraya Xel District 01 - Venezuela CORP District 03 - Hellstorm Inc District 04 - Death Firm District 06 - Granite Mercenary Division District 11 - Forsaken Immortals District 14 - Subsonic Synthesis District 15 - The Generals Distirct 16 - G I A N T District 18 - Ultramarine Corp District 20 - Quebec United District 23 - Escrow Removal and Acquisition (non-voting) District 24 - Da Short Buss I look forward to more members joining the council as its work progresses. During this interim period resources will be made available to help organize the council and provide the tools so votes can be carried out. This is an ambitious project that will face many perils, but PFC is worth it. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1289	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:07:00 - [2] - Quote Reserved for later use. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2742	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:08:00 - [3] - Quote Negative-Feedback is happy to take on this PFC contract and looks forward to working with the PFC council as it grows and establishes itself. Together our hope is that this will bring a golden age to PFC and put the control of PFC in the hands where it has always belonged: the members of Planet Fight Club. We are very much looking forward to seeing how this positive development progresses. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Fire2MyBlunt The Phoenix Federation 20	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:17:00 - [4] - Quote who has agreed to this and why is my corporation not on this council nor was told about this. inbox me asap. -----------Director of The Phoenix Federation-------
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2164	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:23:00 - [5] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Negative-Feedback is happy to take on this PFC contract and looks forward to working with the PFC council as it grows and establishes itself. Together our hope is that this will bring a golden age to PFC and put the control of PFC in the hands where it has always belonged: the members of Planet Fight Club. We are very much looking forward to seeing how this positive development progresses. Spero I've got to give it to ya you've done a damn fine job with PFC, and you're making a profit, good business at it's best. Soraya don't **** up. Fire, you did contact Spero? Listen I'll change the song every week
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2747	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:23:00 - [6] - Quote Fire2MyBlunt wrote: who has agreed to this and why is my corporation not on this council nor was told about this. inbox me asap. -----------Director of The Phoenix Federation------- I'm sure the council would be happy to add other member of PFC to the organization. If there are questions regarding the PFC contract please feel free to contact me at "Kane Spero" in-game. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1295	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:30:00 - [7] - Quote Indeed. Fire2MyBlunt, please have corp leadership contact Kane or myself as soon as possible. Everyone who has a PFC district who is going to use it the way PFC is intended to be used should be able to become a part of this council relatively easily. We don't have contacts for everyone. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
XEROO COOL Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 480	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:31:00 - [8] - Quote District 23.... I left a sock somewhere near the B socket.. if you find it can you mail it back to me... I was having some fun with a female minni clone after the NC removal... Thanks!! Everyone has a plan until you punch em in the face! (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Xeroo.Cool on Skype.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2164	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:34:00 - [9] - Quote XEROO COOL wrote: District 23.... I left a sock somewhere near the B socket.. if you find it can you mail it back to me... I was having some fun with a female minni clone after the NC removal... Thanks!! Have some decency go gallente you only have to pay 10 ISK Listen I'll change the song every week
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1295	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:39:00 - [10] - Quote XEROO COOL wrote: District 23.... I left a sock somewhere near the B socket.. if you find it can you mail it back to me... I was having some fun with a female minni clone after the NC removal... Thanks!! All Lost and Found items are biomassed by a cleaning crew just after ERA's teams finish up. Sorry. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate

XEROO COOL Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 484	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:43:00 - [11] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: XEROO COOL wrote: District 23.... I left a sock somewhere near the B socket.. if you find it can you mail it back to me... I was having some fun with a female minni clone after the NC removal... Thanks!! All Lost and Found items are biomassed by a cleaning crew just after ERA's teams finish up. Sorry. This is BS... I demand to talk to a manager! Everyone has a plan until you punch em in the face! (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Xeroo.Cool on Skype.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2164	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:44:00 - [12] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: XEROO COOL wrote: District 23.... I left a sock somewhere near the B socket.. if you find it can you mail it back to me... I was having some fun with a female minni clone after the NC removal... Thanks!! All Lost and Found items are biomassed by a cleaning crew just after ERA's teams finish up. Sorry. Good no one will find the dead hoo... no one heard anything just carrry on. see this thread will give me the opportunity to troll Soraya, looks at skype and 20 angry messages my work is done. Listen I'll change the song every week
SoTa of PoP Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 506	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:45:00 - [13] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: XEROO COOL wrote: District 23.... I left a sock somewhere near the B socket.. if you find it can you mail it back to me... I was having some fun with a female minni clone after the NC removal... Thanks!! All Lost and Found items are biomassed by a cleaning crew just after ERA's teams finish up. Sorry. I received a report from the Management Crews in charge of cleaning duties that they found something they thought originally was some kind of mammal. They captured and detained it, claiming it resisted by releasing vicious odors on them. After further investigation and samplings - it was discovered it to be just a very dirty sock. If you want this thing you're going to have to come get it yourself. That's nasty, yo. EDIT: THERE'S SOMETHING INSIDE THIS THING?!?! YOU INHUMANE MONSTER,
Fire2MyBlunt The Phoenix Federation 21	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:47:00 - [14] - Quote soraya if you can and have time get on dust for we can chat. thanks
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1295	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:49:00 - [15] - Quote Fire2MyBlunt wrote: soraya if you can and have time get on dust for we can chat. thanks I probably won't be able to get in game until later this evening. I can send you a mail from my EVE character though. We will have an out-of-game medium for discussing PFC Council matters. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
XEROO COOL Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 486	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:53:00 - [16] - Quote SoTa of PoP wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: XEROO COOL wrote: District 23.... I left a sock somewhere near the B socket.. if you find it can you mail it back to me... I was having some fun with a female minni clone after the NC removal... Thanks!! All Lost and Found items are biomassed by a cleaning crew just after ERA's teams finish up. Sorry. I received a report from the Management Crews in charge of cleaning duties that they found something they thought originally was some kind of mammal. They captured and detained it, claiming it resisted by releasing vicious odors on them. After further investigation and samplings - it was discovered it to be just a very dirty sock. If you want this thing you're going to have to come get it yourself. That's nasty, yo. EDIT: THERE'S SOMETHING INSIDE THIS THING?!?! YOU INHUMANE MONSTER, So Richard Greer is the only one that can have fun with gerbils? What happens in socket B stays in socket B... except fleas... those will come back with you ;) Everyone has a plan until you punch em in the face! (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Xeroo.Cool on Skype.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1296	Posted - 2014.02.03 22:45:00 - [17] - Quote Members of the existing parties listed above should have been notified how to join the Council proceedings. If you have a PFC district, and you are not a part of that list, and you wish to continue having a PFC district, you should get in touch with Kane Spero or myself so you can ensure you have a vote in the matters to be discussed ahead. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Shadow of War88 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 173	Posted - 2014.02.03 23:01:00 - [18] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Members of the existing parties listed above should have been notified how to join the Council proceedings. If you have a PFC district, and you are not a part of that list, and you wish to continue having a PFC district, you should get in touch with Kane Spero or myself so you can ensure you have a vote in the matters to be discussed ahead. do you believe the actions youve taken here will improve your chances of getting elected?
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 707	Posted - 2014.02.03 23:16:00 - [19] - Quote Spoke briefly with kane earlier today, wer'e all set. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United The CORVOS 45	Posted - 2014.02.04 00:07:00 - [20] - Quote Fire2MyBlunt wrote: who has agreed to this and why is my corporation not on this council nor was told about this. inbox me asap. -----------Director of The Phoenix Federation------- No worries here the goal is to all be there at the table. Looking forward to see your presence.

Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1302	Posted - 2014.02.04 00:47:00 - [21] - Quote Shadow of War88 wrote: do you believe the actions youve taken here will improve your chances of getting elected? shrug No idea. My actions are intent on ensuring corps who wish to participate in PFC have an actual say in how it's run, as opposed to whatever the corp of the week is lording over it like a pet. I made this very clear to Kane Spero when he asked for feedback on the state of PFC, and he seems intent to deliver on that. A lot of parties were consulted on this project. I am here solely as a huge fan of what PFC is and can offer, and a part of setting this up is enabling PFC corps to replace me if it is there wish as expediently as some semblance of order can be had. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Shadow of War88 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 177	Posted - 2014.02.04 01:38:00 - [22] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Shadow of War88 wrote: do you believe the actions youve taken here will improve your chances of getting elected? shrug No idea. My actions are intent on ensuring corps who wish to participate in PFC have an actual say in how it's run, as opposed to whatever the corp of the week is lording over it like a pet. I made this very clear to Kane Spero when he asked for feedback on the state of PFC, and he seems intent to deliver on that. A lot of parties were consulted on this project. I am here solely as a huge fan of what PFC is and can offer, and a part of setting this up is enabling PFC corps to replace me if it is there wish as expediently as some semblance of order can be had. so you wish for PFC to be independently run by its own elected body? & who will enforce PFC laws given by the PFC council?
AToS SaGa III Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.02.04 01:39:00 - [23] - Quote Shadow of War88 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Shadow of War88 wrote: do you believe the actions youve taken here will improve your chances of getting elected? shrug No idea. My actions are intent on ensuring corps who wish to participate in PFC have an actual say in how it's run, as opposed to whatever the corp of the week is lording over it like a pet. I made this very clear to Kane Spero when he asked for feedback on the state of PFC, and he seems intent to deliver on that. A lot of parties were consulted on this project. I am here solely as a huge fan of what PFC is and can offer, and a part of setting this up is enabling PFC corps to replace me if it is there wish as expediently as some semblance of order can be had. so you wish for PFC to be independently run by its own elected body? & who will enforce PFC laws given by the PFC council? Negative-Feedback.
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 284	Posted - 2014.02.04 01:50:00 - [24] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: If you have a PFC district, and you are not a part of that list, and you wish to continue having a PFC district... That sounds like a threat. Soraya Xel wrote: My actions are intent on ensuring corps who wish to participate in PFC have an actual say in how it's run, as opposed to whatever the corp of the week is lording over it like a pet. wow...you're setting up the very organization you don't want. This council would be the ones lording then... Nice...mob tactics..."join uz or elz we break ya kneecaps". GG hypocrite. Sexy jutsu Time to jaaam!
AToS SaGa III Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.02.04 01:57:00 - [25] - Quote Meee One wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: If you have a PFC district, and you are not a part of that list, and you wish to continue having a PFC district... That sounds like a threat. Soraya Xel wrote: My actions are intent on ensuring corps who wish to participate in PFC have an actual say in how it's run, as opposed to whatever the corp of the week is lording over it like a pet. wow...you're setting up the very organization you don't want. This council would be the ones lording then... Nice...mob tactics..."join uz or elz we break ya kneecaps". GG hypocrite. This is the nice method of which someone goes about making a change like this. They're giving each corp an opportunity to volunteer. If you don't wish to be a part of the new system to govern PFC and make sure it works - take your leave. Each corp was sent mail - if you weren't a part of the talks then talk to your registered CEO. Someone will always undoubtedly feel like they got the smallest stick when changes like these happen - trash talking the moment you disagree isn't going to get you, or your corp, anywhere.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6560	Posted - 2014.02.04 02:02:00 - [26] - Quote Meee One wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: If you have a PFC district, and you are not a part of that list, and you wish to continue having a PFC district... That sounds like a threat. Soraya Xel wrote: My actions are intent on ensuring corps who wish to participate in PFC have an actual say in how it's run, as opposed to whatever the corp of the week is lording over it like a pet. wow...you're setting up the very organization you don't want. This council would be the ones lording then... Nice...mob tactics..."join uz or elz we break ya kneecaps". GG hypocrite. Who the **** cares New Eden is not a democracy. The most organised, populous, and rich players dictate to those weaker how things will be....unless you want to fight them about it. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United The CORVOS 46	Posted - 2014.02.04 02:04:00 - [27] - Quote Meee One wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: If you have a PFC district, and you are not a part of that list, and you wish to continue having a PFC district... That sounds like a threat. Soraya Xel wrote: My actions are intent on ensuring corps who wish to participate in PFC have an actual say in how it's run, as opposed to whatever the corp of the week is lording over it like a pet. wow...you're setting up the very organization you don't want. This council would be the ones lording then... Nice...mob tactics..."join uz or elz we break ya kneecaps". GG hypocrite. This is the result of multiple peoples willingness to organize things. We have to have only one person speaking for the whole body. All significant matters will be resolved backstage with transparency for the people that need to know and have an equal voice. This is the interim president for the moment things need to organize in an organic manner. The representative will change over time if the council sees fit as so. There is no mafia type leader here. You misrepresented the comment, because there are corporations inside Oldelulf that own districts outside, so they have no right tobe in Oldelulf. When a corporation will have train for a set of time it will be time to gather its courage and men and get some land in Molden Heat. At the very least its a personnal wish that QU leave its district to another corp when the training period is done. How much time always depends on the number of corp members. You would like to leave no one behind without training and so do we.
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 285	Posted - 2014.02.04 02:10:00 - [28] - Quote AToS SaGa III wrote: This is the nice method of which someone goes about making a change like this. They're giving each corp an opportunity to volunteer. If you don't wish to be a part of the new system to govern PFC and make sure it works - take your leave. I'm not stupid. Soraya Xel wrote: If you have a PFC district, and you are not a part of that list, and you wish to continue having a PFC district... This is a threat. It's a threat to take a corps. PFC district if they don't join. My response: Meee One wrote: Nice...mob tactics..."join uz or elz we break ya kneecaps". GG hypocrite. GTF over yourself,your no better than a thug. Sexy jutsu Time to jaaam!
AToS SaGa III Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.02.04 02:15:00 - [29] - Quote Meee One wrote: AToS SaGa III wrote: This is the nice method of which someone goes about making a change like this. They're giving each corp an opportunity to volunteer. If you don't wish to be a part of the new system to govern PFC and make sure it works - take your leave. I'm not stupid. Soraya Xel wrote: If you have a PFC district, and you are not a part of that list, and you wish to continue having a PFC district... This is a threat. It's a threat to take a corps. PFC district if they don't join. My response: Meee One wrote: Nice...mob tactics..."join uz or elz we break ya kneecaps". GG hypocrite. GTF over yourself,your no better than a thug. It's not bullying or thugging, the system doesn't really work if a district in PFC can decide to ignore it. Which, you're deciding to do. So what does the system to govern PFC and keep it safe suppose to do if a district isn't playing by the rules everyone else in PFC agreed to? It's unfortunate - but that's how dem apples rolls. However, if you talk it out with the PFC council - you don't need to 'join' it to be a part of PFC. You just need to agree to the new rules of PFC - which is obvious, as each new corp whose taken PFC has changed the rules at some point. But this means you're without a voice.
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 285	Posted - 2014.02.04 02:17:00 - [30] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Who the **** cares New Eden is not a democracy. The most organised, populous, and rich players dictate to those weaker how things will be....unless you want to fight them about it. I wouldn't care if they wouldn't lie. A hostile takeover is fine if declared as such. But if they try to blow off the significance of threatening nonjoiners then it's a problem. All i want is honesty,brutal,cold honesty. I don't wany honeyed words that try to make mob tactics seem like a good thing. And all i'm reading is honeyed words. Sexy jutsu Time to jaaam!

Ripcord19981 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 405	Posted - 2014.02.04 02:19:00 - [31] - Quote finally,something not locked I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 285	Posted - 2014.02.04 02:27:00 - [32] - Quote AToS SaGa III wrote: It's not bullying or thugging, the system doesn't really work if a district in PFC can decide to ignore it. Which, you're deciding to do. So what does the system to govern PFC and keep it safe suppose to do if a district isn't playing by the rules everyone else in PFC agreed to? It's unfortunate - but that's how dem apples rolls. However, if you talk it out with the PFC council - you don't need to 'join' it to be a part of PFC. You just need to agree to the new rules of PFC - which is obvious, as each new corp whose taken PFC has changed the rules at some point. But this means you're without a voice. Let me try and understand your logic.... This large and potentially powerful council...will use fear through attacks to force its will upon those who don't wish to participate. Big strong council using force on smaller groups.... Hmm...i thought that was the definition of bully/thugish tactics.... AND they'll ignore pleas to be left alone? Wow! Class A Mob you got there. Sexy jutsu Time to jaaam!
AToS SaGa III Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.02.04 02:48:00 - [33] - Quote Meee One wrote: AToS SaGa III wrote: It's not bullying or thugging, the system doesn't really work if a district in PFC can decide to ignore it. Which, you're deciding to do. So what does the system to govern PFC and keep it safe suppose to do if a district isn't playing by the rules everyone else in PFC agreed to? It's unfortunate - but that's how dem apples rolls. However, if you talk it out with the PFC council - you don't need to 'join' it to be a part of PFC. You just need to agree to the new rules of PFC - which is obvious, as each new corp whose taken PFC has changed the rules at some point. But this means you're without a voice. Let me try and understand your logic.... This large and potentially powerful council...will use fear through attacks to force its will upon those who don't wish to participate. Big strong council using force on smaller groups.... Hmm...i thought that was the definition of bully/thugish tactics.... AND they'll ignore pleas to be left alone? Wow! Class A Mob you got there. And you can say any form of government is slavery - do as the law says because you were born there or spend your life in prison - or leave. Spinning what's said is a wonderful that way - perspective dictates everything. If you want to see the PFC changes as being mobbed out - then by all means, do. The rest of the logical community will see the benefits of a working organization for PFCs benefit and continue to run and maintain things, and making sure there are no corps abusing PFC. I'm sorry you'd rather be negative about a positive move rather then see what you can do to help work with it or change it for the better.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1303	Posted - 2014.02.04 03:12:00 - [34] - Quote Actually, the idea, is that it's a council of concerned and participating players who are working towards a mutual goal, creating a PFC that can be both active and fun, as well as isolated and protected from the general PC madness. The people in the PFC Council will establish the PFC rules, rather than EoN or RA or someone else defining what is and isn't the PFC rules. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6570	Posted - 2014.02.04 03:53:00 - [35] - Quote Meee One wrote: True Adamance wrote: Who the **** cares New Eden is not a democracy. The most organised, populous, and rich players dictate to those weaker how things will be....unless you want to fight them about it. I wouldn't care if they wouldn't lie. A hostile takeover is fine if declared as such. But if they try to blow off the significance of threatening nonjoiners then it's a problem. All i want is honesty,brutal,cold honesty. I don't wany honeyed words that try to make mob tactics seem like a good thing. And all i'm reading is honeyed words. Pfff lying in the core of gameplay in New Eden. They can call it whatever they want if they win. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2539	Posted - 2014.02.04 04:38:00 - [36] - Quote Im looking forward to being part of the council. I see pfc as the only place you could consider 'high sec' in dust and the only place people can really get the practice they need. Damn fine job kain and negative feedback and thank you all very much. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1308	Posted - 2014.02.04 04:41:00 - [37] - Quote Another two points of note: - The corps listed in the original post are already on board with this. And a few more have since mailed in. This project was done with community collaboration. - I personally do not handle any ISK, and also will not receive any. People know I'm a long-time supporter of PFC, and I am solely supporting this initiative in that I feel it's the best thing for PFC's continued existence and quality of play. Our alliance participates heavily on PFC, and if I didn't feel that this was worthwhile, I wouldn't be willing to get involved. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1687	Posted - 2014.02.04 10:55:00 - [38] - Quote Meee One wrote: AToS SaGa III wrote: It's not bullying or thugging, the system doesn't really work if a district in PFC can decide to ignore it. Which, you're deciding to do. So what does the system to govern PFC and keep it safe suppose to do if a district isn't playing by the rules everyone else in PFC agreed to? It's unfortunate - but that's how dem apples rolls. However, if you talk it out with the PFC council - you don't need to 'join' it to be a part of PFC. You just need to agree to the new rules of PFC - which is obvious, as each new corp whose taken PFC has changed the rules at some point. But this means you're without a voice. Let me try and understand your logic.... This large and potentially powerful council...will use fear through attacks to force its will upon those who don't wish to participate. Big strong council using force on smaller groups.... Hmm...i thought that was the definition of bully/thugish tactics.... AND they'll ignore pleas to be left alone? Wow! Class A Mob you got there. PFC is optional and at the moment largely ungoverned, various corps have came out and said they will police it and basically became the dictators of PFC they changed what ever rules they liked and decided the fate of corps on PFC internally or conversely done little. This move means the corps on PFC are incharge they decide the rules and have an enforcer so to speak to make sure the rules are kept up. Personally I think having PFC regulated by a council of corps who partake in PFC to be far preferable than what ever corp decides it wants to be incharge this week taking over and doing as they like with PFC corps having no say whatsoever. Corps not following the rules should be removed I am sure you can agree on that, but the problem is with the constant flux of who is incharge of PFC the rules become hard to keep track of. Would you not prefer a chance to sit down with the rest of the participants of PFC to hammer out a set of rules and have a say in the governing of PFC. About plea's to be left alone the whole purpose of PFC is for training surely being in contact with all the other members of PFC to help set up fights would be a great benefit. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2407	Posted - 2014.02.04 11:36:00 - [39] - Quote So, you guys will be policing yourselfs on PFC with the aid of NF. That's cool......but if you guys are all about the community and new corps, I recommend that you guys don't stay on PFC forever. Because there won't be an "outsider" corp looking over your shoulders, I don't forsee any of the "council members" giving up their district to allow new corps to get in. PFC should be about training and entry into pc, so you guys shouldn't be there forever. Some of you have been there long enough. If a new corp wants entry into PFC, what will you guys do? Also....edguy from Quebec owes me $1M ISK, so I expect payment from his corp or his personal wallet. Otherwise, you will bleed ISK and continue to bleed ISK to NF for full teams. Principle is everything. weRideNDie2getha since 2010
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1688	Posted - 2014.02.04 12:41:00 - [40] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: So, you guys will be policing yourselfs on PFC with the aid of NF. That's cool......but if you guys are all about the community and new corps, I recommend that you guys don't stay on PFC forever. Because there won't be an "outsider" corp looking over your shoulders, I don't forsee any of the "council members" giving up their district to allow new corps to get in. PFC should be about training and entry into pc, so you guys shouldn't be there forever. Some of you have been there long enough. If a new corp wants entry into PFC, what will you guys do? Also....edguy from Quebec United owes me $1M ISK, so I expect payment from his corp or his personal wallet. Otherwise, you will bleed ISK and continue to bleed ISK to NF for full teams. Principle is everything. The whole point of the council is it is a council there are more than just one person in charge so if some corp had a district for an excessively long time and refused to vacate what is to stop the rest of the council voting them out and giving the spot to a new corp. I know you aren't a huge fan of PFC but a little positivity wont kill you, why not give the council a chance this is early days yet. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.

Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2408	Posted - 2014.02.04 13:17:00 - [41] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: So, you guys will be policing yourselfs on PFC with the aid of NF. That's cool......but if you guys are all about the community and new corps, I recommend that you guys don't stay on PFC forever. Because there won't be an "outsider" corp looking over your shoulders, I don't forsee any of the "council members" giving up their district to allow new corps to get in. PFC should be about training and entry into pc, so you guys shouldn't be there forever. Some of you have been there long enough. If a new corp wants entry into PFC, what will you guys do? Also....edguy from Quebec United owes me $1M ISK, so I expect payment from his corp or his personal wallet. Otherwise, you will bleed ISK and continue to bleed ISK to NF for full teams. Principle is everything. The whole point of the council is it is a council there are more than just one person in charge so if some corp had a district for an excessively long time and refused to vacate what is to stop the rest of the council voting them out and giving the spot to a new corp. I know you aren't a huge fan of PFC but a little positivity wont kill you, why not give the council a chance this is early days yet. Just making a point because and a reminder that there will be noone bringing in new corps so which one of you will be giving your districts up when it's time? It should go by seniority...so corps like Gravity, Death Firm, etc shouldn't have to give up their districts before Hellstorm, Forsaken, etc weRideNDie2getha since 2010
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 713	Posted - 2014.02.04 13:22:00 - [42] - Quote Speaking for Death Firm, We have had our district for less than one week and have been engaging in combat and loving it. No worries Ydubbs about extended stays, as soon as Corps are capable and able to capture and maintain combat operations outside PFC, the obvious move would be to give up district to deserving newcomers. As far as the protection services offered are concerned, we all run our Corps like a business right? Basically that's what the Corporation aspect is, a business. The services offered are nothing more than a good business practice by someone who has the balls to put forces on the line to protect our wishes, I thank them. Let's say three districts on PFC were simultaneously attacked by a major outside force, the cost for a top notch ringer team is approx 60-90mil isk, depending on who is willing to take your contract. And who's to say they will as they may not trust you for payment? By agreeing with the terms offered, you have GUARANTEED protection from the best the game has in combat forces, once again, good business, saving you money in the long run. The ISK amount asked per week is peanuts, just play eve for awhile, you'll understand. No one is saying they are going to take your district if you don't buy the insurance policy, you just won't have the level of protection potentially needed to keep your district from being flipped while your next door neighbor does, and keeps their district. 10mil a week to begin a PC campaign is cheap people, cheap... CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1035	Posted - 2014.02.04 13:34:00 - [43] - Quote AToS SaGa III wrote: Shadow of War88 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Shadow of War88 wrote: do you believe the actions youve taken here will improve your chances of getting elected? shrug No idea. My actions are intent on ensuring corps who wish to participate in PFC have an actual say in how it's run, as opposed to whatever the corp of the week is lording over it like a pet. I made this very clear to Kane Spero when he asked for feedback on the state of PFC, and he seems intent to deliver on that. A lot of parties were consulted on this project. I am here solely as a huge fan of what PFC is and can offer, and a part of setting this up is enabling PFC corps to replace me if it is there wish as expediently as some semblance of order can be had. so you wish for PFC to be independently run by its own elected body? & who will enforce PFC laws given by the PFC council? Negative-Feedback. LOL You are back i See LOL
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1690	Posted - 2014.02.04 13:38:00 - [44] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: So, you guys will be policing yourselfs on PFC with the aid of NF. That's cool......but if you guys are all about the community and new corps, I recommend that you guys don't stay on PFC forever. Because there won't be an "outsider" corp looking over your shoulders, I don't forsee any of the "council members" giving up their district to allow new corps to get in. PFC should be about training and entry into pc, so you guys shouldn't be there forever. Some of you have been there long enough. If a new corp wants entry into PFC, what will you guys do? Also....edguy from Quebec United owes me $1M ISK, so I expect payment from his corp or his personal wallet. Otherwise, you will bleed ISK and continue to bleed ISK to NF for full teams. Principle is everything. The whole point of the council is it is a council there are more than just one person in charge so if some corp had a district for an excessively long time and refused to vacate what is to stop the rest of the council voting them out and giving the spot to a new corp. I know you aren't a huge fan of PFC but a little positivity wont kill you, why not give the council a chance this is early days yet. Just making a point because and a reminder that there will be noone bringing in new corps so which one of you will be giving your districts up when it's time? It should go by seniority...so corps like Gravity, Death Firm, etc shouldn't have to give up their districts before Hellstorm, Forsaken, etc Well kind of stating the obvious there really, the longest district holders should be the first to go. Personally when the council is up and running if it is decided that we have been there too long I would say its time to move on from PFC. The only thing I would be pushing for is trying to replace corps with corps from the same timezone (where possible) otherwise we could end up with all the districts around the same timer. So say if the council got set up and decided we had our district long enough I would only suggest they replace us with an EU TZ corp if they could. However if we went the other way and they said you have had that district too long and I and my CEO did not agree we would be outnumbered on the vote and removed anyway. That is the point of the council if one corp decides not to bother with the rules the others take action. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1323	Posted - 2014.02.04 13:50:00 - [45] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: So, you guys will be policing yourselfs on PFC with the aid of NF. That's cool......but if you guys are all about the community and new corps, I recommend that you guys don't stay on PFC forever. Because there won't be an "outsider" corp looking over your shoulders, I don't forsee any of the "council members" giving up their district to allow new corps to get in. Part of the general concept includes maintaining an actual waitlist. The weekly cost means corps that do not need it will quickly decide to move out. Those who are actively using it, I personally don't think should be forced off due to having been there a while. (I'd honestly be comfortable if every corp in the game had a PFC district to play by PFC rules from, though that would require more than just Oddelulf being in PFC.) I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
CUBS UNbanned Alt 231	Posted - 2014.02.04 14:02:00 - [46] - Quote Dubbs your idea has been a hot topic in backrooms of bars and even some alleys. It is most definitely an issue to be addressed, sooner rather than later, but 1 thing at a time. Squatters and those not using PFC 'as intended' need to be settled before we move on to your topic, which I think makes perfect sense and will need to be addressed before long. but having the residents holding the 'keys' is something that was widely discussed at every juncture of PFC, and is finally reaching the surface and being implemented. There have been basically 3 sets of 'rules' to this date, put forth by whomever was 'policing' Those days are gone; Yes New Eden is not keen on democracy, but in regard to Planet Fight Club, it has become a reality, at least on 1 planet in this brutal universe! Don't drink the koolaid... Rampage made it from scratch and didn't wash his hands
Fire2MyBlunt The Phoenix Federation 21	Posted - 2014.02.04 14:39:00 - [47] - Quote the council idea is good. love it.
King 'BabySlayer' Kobra Fetal Abortions 1	Posted - 2014.02.04 14:45:00 - [48] - Quote Looking forward to cracking the skulls of PFC kids that don't follow the rules.
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United The CORVOS 48	Posted - 2014.02.04 14:54:00 - [49] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: So, you guys will be policing yourselfs on PFC with the aid of NF. That's cool......but if you guys are all about the community and new corps, I recommend that you guys don't stay on PFC forever. Because there won't be an "outsider" corp looking over your shoulders, I don't forsee any of the "council members" giving up their district to allow new corps to get in. PFC should be about training and entry into pc, so you guys shouldn't be there forever. Some of you have been there long enough. If a new corp wants entry into PFC, what will you guys do? Also....edguy from Quebec United owes me $1M ISK, so I expect payment from his corp or his personal wallet. Otherwise, you will bleed ISK and continue to bleed ISK to NF for full teams. Principle is everything. I will rout the payment on edguy's behalf.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1323	Posted - 2014.02.04 15:07:00 - [50] - Quote The current goal, which I will put here, and on the Reserved post in the thread as well, is to get one to two representatives from each corp registered at http://forums.dust-gents.com and verified using the instructions in red text on that page. Then we have a somewhat private discussion area for PFC participants to hash out the rules in a closed board. Corps should do this today, if possible. I'd like to get discussions started immediately, but with only a couple corps in there so far, it'd be pretty poorly representative. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate

Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2196	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:34:00 - [51] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: So, you guys will be policing yourselfs on PFC with the aid of NF. That's cool......but if you guys are all about the community and new corps, I recommend that you guys don't stay on PFC forever. Because there won't be an "outsider" corp looking over your shoulders, I don't forsee any of the "council members" giving up their district to allow new corps to get in. Part of the general concept includes maintaining an actual waitlist. The weekly cost means corps that do not need it will quickly decide to move out. Those who are actively using it, I personally don't think should be forced off due to having been there a while. (I'd honestly be comfortable if every corp in the game had a PFC district to play by PFC rules from, though that would require more than just Oddelulf being in PFC.) so people lose moeny unless they fight? great! Listen I'll change the song every week
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1329	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:35:00 - [52] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: so people lose moeny unless they fight? great! Basically how PC as a whole should've been designed, yes. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Fire2MyBlunt The Phoenix Federation 23	Posted - 2014.02.04 18:11:00 - [53] - Quote there is still a lot to discuss about rules and the overly priced insurance . thing though is my corporation can probably careless about the isk a week because we just don't give a flying bird about it. but personally I talk about it because these corporations that plan to stay on pfc for months will feel the effect of it. But I see both sides. 07
ragewardog SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 106	Posted - 2014.02.04 18:18:00 - [54] - Quote pfc is great but to hard to control I think its just about time pfc died
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1329	Posted - 2014.02.04 18:30:00 - [55] - Quote ragewardog wrote: pfc is great but to hard to control I think its just about time pfc died Of course you do. You don't gain any benefit from it. Why wouldn't you want it to die? Which is why ERA will ensure people like you can't touch it. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Common- Sense 1	Posted - 2014.02.04 18:48:00 - [56] - Quote Absolutely brilliant strategy by Negative Feedback. My hats are off to you gentleman. You have put in place a system that generates political goodwill towards your alliance, economic gain in the form of willingly paid weekly GÇ£protectionGÇ¥ money and likely also additional funds for initial placement, future allies and resources, while also creating little to no real risk for yourselves. If corps should decide they donGÇÖt need protection IGÇÖm sure itGÇÖs easy enough to find a third party to remind them of its benefits. Even better you have given those paying the GÇ£protectionGÇ¥ money the illusion that they have real control and a say in matters by using this council set-up while also recruiting useful idiots to do a majority of the legwork and propaganda such as Soraya Xel who does it believing that showing leadership in this is a way to get himself elected to CPM1 instead of the reality which is playing that fool and selling all of you in to slavery. Well played NF, Well played. - O7
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 204	Posted - 2014.02.04 18:53:00 - [57] - Quote Will the monetary budget be made for public viewing? Since it is a collaboration, there should be no numbers to hide, right? Who is in charge of the wallet? I am guessing Kane is. Answers?
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2548	Posted - 2014.02.04 18:58:00 - [58] - Quote This is where sht starts to freak me out seriously. We are talking about a game here and a currency that is worth nothing unless you play the game, nothing. And still worth next to nothing. Can we chill with this freaky sht, thanks. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2548	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:00:00 - [59] - Quote Common- Sense wrote: Absolutely brilliant strategy by Negative Feedback. My hats are off to you gentleman. You have put in place a system that generates political goodwill towards your alliance, economic gain in the form of willingly paid weekly GÇ£protectionGÇ¥ money and likely also additional funds for initial placement, future allies and resources, while also creating little to no real risk for yourselves. If corps should decide they donGÇÖt need protection IGÇÖm sure itGÇÖs easy enough to find a third party to remind them of its benefits. Even better you have given those paying the GÇ£protectionGÇ¥ money the illusion that they have real control and a say in matters by using this council set-up while also recruiting useful idiots to do a majority of the legwork and propaganda such as Soraya Xel who does it believing that showing leadership in this is a way to get himself elected to CPM1 instead of the reality which is playing that fool and selling all of you in to slavery. Well played NF, Well played. - O7 Not wrong but freaky. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2548	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:01:00 - [60] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Will the monetary budget be made for public viewing? Since it is a collaboration, there should be no numbers to hide, right? Who is in charge of the wallet? I am guessing Kane is. Answers? Talking about isk like this, freaky. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic

TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2548	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:02:00 - [61] - Quote Cringing over. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Bud Selig 4	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:04:00 - [62] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Will the monetary budget be made for public viewing? Since it is a collaboration, there should be no numbers to hide, right? Who is in charge of the wallet? I am guessing Kane is. Answers? the owners have voted and passed a team luxury tax. You are in violation of not paying the union your tax for the high payroll. Fun Fact.. Yankees, highest payroll, yet couldn't make the playoffs... rough year for the pinstripes I guess. Commissioner Regional BBQ Competition Judge Rampage's Parole Officer
Common- Sense 1	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:07:00 - [63] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: This is where sht starts to freak me out seriously. We are talking about a game here and a currency that is worth nothing unless you play the game, nothing. And still worth next to nothing. Can we chill with this freaky sht, thanks. Just for the record this is not an attack or even a complaint even if it seems like one. What they have done is absolutely brilliant and there is nothing wrong with it. If those whom have positions on the planet and council are happy with the arraignment than itGÇÖs a win-win for all sides I was just commenting because I was so impressed by the strategy and maneuvering that brought us to this point.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2548	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:11:00 - [64] - Quote Common- Sense wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: This is where sht starts to freak me out seriously. We are talking about a game here and a currency that is worth nothing unless you play the game, nothing. And still worth next to nothing. Can we chill with this freaky sht, thanks. Just for the record this is not an attack or even a complaint even if it seems like one. What they have done is absolutely brilliant and there is nothing wrong with it. If those whom have positions on the planet and council are happy with the arraignment than itGÇÖs a win-win for all sides I was just commenting because I was so impressed by the strategy and maneuvering that brought us to this point. I know but anyone who has actually dealt with real business knows theres a catch, its expected. Its really nothing special and to be expected. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2548	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:15:00 - [65] - Quote And yes everyone is happy. What's your main common sense? Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1330	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:21:00 - [66] - Quote Regarding money, we know how much everyone pays in, and we should know whenever an enforcement action has to take place. Therefore, we should know about how much money is going in and out of the operation, and hence, we should know how good of a deal we are or are not getting. These are all topics that the Council should discuss in the appropriate area. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2548	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:22:00 - [67] - Quote Common- Sense wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: This is where sht starts to freak me out seriously. We are talking about a game here and a currency that is worth nothing unless you play the game, nothing. And still worth next to nothing. Can we chill with this freaky sht, thanks. Just for the record this is not an attack or even a complaint even if it seems like one. What they have done is absolutely brilliant and there is nothing wrong with it. If those whom have positions on the planet and council are happy with the arraignment than itGÇÖs a win-win for all sides. I was just commenting because I was so impressed by the strategy and maneuvering that brought us to this point. Getting people to pay protection money and be happy about doing it at the same time is not easy! Never mind. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2548	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:31:00 - [68] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Regarding money, we know how much everyone pays in, and we should know whenever an enforcement action has to take place. Therefore, we should know about how much money is going in and out of the operation, and hence, we should know how good of a deal we are or are not getting. These are all topics that the Council should discuss in the appropriate area. Yeah sure sounds good. I had an idea that once a month a top notch team can attack each district to see if people still really need to be on pfc or are just farming isk. This would be at the 'discretion' of said top notch team and would have to be assembled by someone who isn't going to fk about. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1331	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:36:00 - [69] - Quote Someone in my alliance posed a somewhat similar idea. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 204	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:42:00 - [70] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Regarding money, we know how much everyone pays in, and we should know whenever an enforcement action has to take place. Therefore, we should know about how much money is going in and out of the operation, and hence, we should know how good of a deal we are or are not getting. These are all topics that the Council should discuss in the appropriate area. Gotcha, so just keep a rolling memo in your head. LOL...Excellent idea. Now, who is in control of the wallet?

Bud Selig 6	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:06:00 - [71] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Regarding money, we know how much everyone pays in, and we should know whenever an enforcement action has to take place. Therefore, we should know about how much money is going in and out of the operation, and hence, we should know how good of a deal we are or are not getting. These are all topics that the Council should discuss in the appropriate area. Gotcha, so just keep a rolling memo in your head. LOL...Excellent idea. Now, who is in control of the wallet? Mr. nuts I'm going to have to ask you to submit a sample for testing. This is part of our random testing program to ensure all players are clean and free of performance enhancing...substances. You can expect the results back in less than 24 hours. If cleared, you may continue and good luck in the upcoming season. If you fail the test, you will be subject to sanctions that could lead up to a 50 game suspension and usurping Rampage on the daily 'get trolled' list for 1st time offenders. good luck to you sir and please wash your hands, lots of germs floating around currently Commissioner Regional BBQ Competition Judge Rampage's Parole Officer
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 204	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:12:00 - [72] - Quote Bud Selig wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Regarding money, we know how much everyone pays in, and we should know whenever an enforcement action has to take place. Therefore, we should know about how much money is going in and out of the operation, and hence, we should know how good of a deal we are or are not getting. These are all topics that the Council should discuss in the appropriate area. Gotcha, so just keep a rolling memo in your head. LOL...Excellent idea. Now, who is in control of the wallet? Mr. nuts I'm going to have to ask you to submit a sample for testing. This is part of our random testing program to ensure all players are clean and free of performance enhancing...substances. You can expect the results back in less than 24 hours. If cleared, you may continue and good luck in the upcoming season. If you fail the test, you will be subject to sanctions that could lead up to a 50 game suspension and usurping Rampage on the daily 'get trolled' list for 1st time offenders. good luck to you sir and please wash your hands, lots of germs floating around currently hahaha, where do I submit sample?
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 906	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:17:00 - [73] - Quote lol.. rampage's mouth of course
Tim Rapp Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 103	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:32:00 - [74] - Quote I think 10 mill for insurance may be a little high... gotta remember that it's mostly smaller corps wanting to train in pfc not big ones
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2200	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:42:00 - [75] - Quote Common- Sense wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: This is where sht starts to freak me out seriously. We are talking about a game here and a currency that is worth nothing unless you play the game, nothing. And still worth next to nothing. Can we chill with this freaky sht, thanks. Just for the record this is not an attack or even a complaint even if it seems like one. What they have done is absolutely brilliant and there is nothing wrong with it. If those whom have positions on the planet and council are happy with the arraignment than itGÇÖs a win-win for all sides. I was just commenting because I was so impressed by the strategy and maneuvering that brought us to this point. Getting people to pay protection money and be happy about doing it at the same time is not easy! Charolette can it. Listen I'll change the song every week
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 722	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:49:00 - [76] - Quote Bud Selig wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Will the monetary budget be made for public viewing? Since it is a collaboration, there should be no numbers to hide, right? Who is in charge of the wallet? I am guessing Kane is. Answers? the owners have voted and passed a team luxury tax. You are in violation of not paying the union your tax for the high payroll. Fun Fact.. Yankees, highest payroll, yet couldn't make the playoffs... rough year for the pinstripes I guess. Yankees blow anyway. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 723	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:00:00 - [77] - Quote Tim Rapp wrote: I think 10 mill for insurance may be a little high... gotta remember that it's mostly smaller corps wanting to train in pfc not big ones Ten mil is a **** in the ocean for us, we have aggressive fundraising and a tax in our corp that allows for many things. We have also been prepping for this step into PC through PFC for a long time, so paying a weekly fee is something DF was prepared for a long time ago. Planning, planning, planning, you have to plan your moves in advance so it doesn't hit you and your players as a surprise when you get ready to take that next step. Do the math on what it would cost to fund ONE district under attack outside PFC. One that was under attack four days a week, buying clones to replenish, paying ringers if needed. This is a cheap way into PC and training at the top level at the same time. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Tim Rapp Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 103	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:22:00 - [78] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Tim Rapp wrote: I think 10 mill for insurance may be a little high... gotta remember that it's mostly smaller corps wanting to train in pfc not big ones Ten mil is a **** in the ocean for us, we have aggressive fundraising and a tax in our corp that allows for many things. We have also been prepping for this step into PC through PFC for a long time, so paying a weekly fee is something DF was prepared for a long time ago. Planning, planning, planning, you have to plan your moves in advance so it doesn't hit you and your players as a surprise when you get ready to take that next step. Do the math on what it would cost to fund ONE district under attack outside PFC. One that was under attack four days a week, buying clones to replenish, paying ringers if needed. This is a cheap way into PC and training at the top level at the same time. Your right we didn't plan for this because we didn't think of this... but think about it you have 60 members and a 25% tax rate, we have 40 members and a 10% tax rate. So even if you had a 10% tax you'd make more than us but you have 25% tax, more than double of ours because we don't believe in robbing our members blind. And fyi we have been attacked by several outside corps trying to take our district from us even though we are in pfc so we know what it is like
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1333	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:25:00 - [79] - Quote Just a quick referee moment: 25% tax isn't "robbing members blind". Different corps work in different ways. It's a bar of measure between capitalism and socialism, how much is skimmed off the top to create the services that benefit members. Everyone should be fully aware up front what the tax rate is of the corp they're joining, and what it's used for. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 727	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:49:00 - [80] - Quote Tim Rapp wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Tim Rapp wrote: I think 10 mill for insurance may be a little high... gotta remember that it's mostly smaller corps wanting to train in pfc not big ones Ten mil is a **** in the ocean for us, we have aggressive fundraising and a tax in our corp that allows for many things. We have also been prepping for this step into PC through PFC for a long time, so paying a weekly fee is something DF was prepared for a long time ago. Planning, planning, planning, you have to plan your moves in advance so it doesn't hit you and your players as a surprise when you get ready to take that next step. Do the math on what it would cost to fund ONE district under attack outside PFC. One that was under attack four days a week, buying clones to replenish, paying ringers if needed. This is a cheap way into PC and training at the top level at the same time. Your right we didn't plan for this because we didn't think of this... but think about it you have 60 members and a 25% tax rate, we have 40 members and a 10% tax rate. So even if you had a 10% tax you'd make more than us but you have 25% tax, more than double of ours because we don't believe in robbing our members blind. And fyi we have been attacked by several outside corps trying to take our district from us even though we are in pfc so we know what it is like I'm just trying to help you learn from our past mistakes, not arguing. Our tax rate is what it is not to rob our players, but because we know it is VERY expensive to run a successful military campaign. We tried PC once before, we were not ready as a corp, and especially in the wallet dept. We have the tax where it is to do what we planned on months ago. All players understand why it is what it is. I can give you some ideas on fund raising sometime, some that have worked very well for us in the past. Hit me with a mail if you want. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~

Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2208	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:54:00 - [81] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Just a quick referee moment: 25% tax isn't "robbing members blind". Different corps work in different ways. It's a bar of measure between capitalism and socialism, how much is skimmed off the top to create the services that benefit members. Everyone should be fully aware up front what the tax rate is of the corp they're joining, and what it's used for. TCR runs at 8.5% I might send x amount of funds your way as these districts are an asset to the alliance as a whole. and I don't have anything to spend ISK on say having 5 Mill sent to you every week? TCR would still profit easily. Listen I'll change the song every week
Superhero Rawdon Chaotic-Intent General Tso's Alliance 161	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:17:00 - [82] - Quote Tim Rapp wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Tim Rapp wrote: I think 10 mill for insurance may be a little high... gotta remember that it's mostly smaller corps wanting to train in pfc not big ones Ten mil is a **** in the ocean for us, we have aggressive fundraising and a tax in our corp that allows for many things. We have also been prepping for this step into PC through PFC for a long time, so paying a weekly fee is something DF was prepared for a long time ago. Planning, planning, planning, you have to plan your moves in advance so it doesn't hit you and your players as a surprise when you get ready to take that next step. Do the math on what it would cost to fund ONE district under attack outside PFC. One that was under attack four days a week, buying clones to replenish, paying ringers if needed. This is a cheap way into PC and training at the top level at the same time. Your right we didn't plan for this because we didn't think of this... but think about it you have 60 members and a 25% tax rate, we have 40 members and a 10% tax rate. So even if you had a 10% tax you'd make more than us but you have 25% tax, more than double of ours because we don't believe in robbing our members blind. And fyi we have been attacked by several outside corps trying to take our district from us even though we are in pfc so we know what it is like is that why u had exemplars ringing when we attacked, even tho i sent a message to your ceo telling him it was a friendly attack? boy, what an asskicking we got tho. good job. i bleed chocolate milk........and poop batarangs
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2208	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:20:00 - [83] - Quote Superhero Rawdon wrote: Tim Rapp wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Tim Rapp wrote: I think 10 mill for insurance may be a little high... gotta remember that it's mostly smaller corps wanting to train in pfc not big ones Ten mil is a **** in the ocean for us, we have aggressive fundraising and a tax in our corp that allows for many things. We have also been prepping for this step into PC through PFC for a long time, so paying a weekly fee is something DF was prepared for a long time ago. Planning, planning, planning, you have to plan your moves in advance so it doesn't hit you and your players as a surprise when you get ready to take that next step. Do the math on what it would cost to fund ONE district under attack outside PFC. One that was under attack four days a week, buying clones to replenish, paying ringers if needed. This is a cheap way into PC and training at the top level at the same time. Your right we didn't plan for this because we didn't think of this... but think about it you have 60 members and a 25% tax rate, we have 40 members and a 10% tax rate. So even if you had a 10% tax you'd make more than us but you have 25% tax, more than double of ours because we don't believe in robbing our members blind. And fyi we have been attacked by several outside corps trying to take our district from us even though we are in pfc so we know what it is like is that why u had exemplars ringing when we attacked, even tho i sent a message to your ceo telling him it was a friendly attack? boy, what an asskicking we got tho. good job. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Top_Men./corporations GMD's the smallest US side corp kinda makes a difference. Listen I'll change the song every week
Superhero Rawdon Chaotic-Intent General Tso's Alliance 161	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:21:00 - [84] - Quote wellllllll............CHI is wnating a pfc district. we are wanting to fight and get better. but we arent willing to spend 150mil to get one. especially not when theres a weekly protection fee, which shouldnt b paid weekly, but as needed. u guys gotta revise your prices a bit. 150mil to get into pfc? i understand that much for a regular district, but pfc? i bleed chocolate milk........and poop batarangs
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2208	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:26:00 - [85] - Quote Superhero Rawdon wrote: wellllllll............CHI is wnating a pfc district. we are wanting to fight and get better. but we arent willing to spend 150mil to get one. especially not when theres a weekly protection fee, which shouldnt b paid weekly, but as needed. u guys gotta revise your prices a bit. 150mil to get into pfc? i understand that much for a regular district, but pfc? Hmm I've given ISK to those who attack us A) because I love fighting in PFC B) New corps need help with training C) I can afford to lose a little ISK I'd have tought that the Generals would let you all come into their battles Listen I'll change the song every week
Superhero Rawdon Chaotic-Intent General Tso's Alliance 161	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:31:00 - [86] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Superhero Rawdon wrote: wellllllll............CHI is wnating a pfc district. we are wanting to fight and get better. but we arent willing to spend 150mil to get one. especially not when theres a weekly protection fee, which shouldnt b paid weekly, but as needed. u guys gotta revise your prices a bit. 150mil to get into pfc? i understand that much for a regular district, but pfc? Hmm I've given ISK to those who attack us A) because I love fighting in PFC B) New corps need help with training C) I can afford to lose a little ISK I'd have tought that the Generals would let you all come into their battles eh. they prefer to field their own team as far as i know. cant blame them. overall, the exp for us is lacking. we are smaller, none of us are rich, and our tax is at 10% which quite frankly doesnt earn u much, and we are looking to fight. but as u know, its hard for smaller, not-as-good-or-as-rich corps out here in the frigid cold of MH >_> i bleed chocolate milk........and poop batarangs
Superhero Rawdon Chaotic-Intent General Tso's Alliance 161	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:36:00 - [87] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Superhero Rawdon wrote: Tim Rapp wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Tim Rapp wrote: I think 10 mill for insurance may be a little high... gotta remember that it's mostly smaller corps wanting to train in pfc not big ones Ten mil is a **** in the ocean for us, we have aggressive fundraising and a tax in our corp that allows for many things. We have also been prepping for this step into PC through PFC for a long time, so paying a weekly fee is something DF was prepared for a long time ago. Planning, planning, planning, you have to plan your moves in advance so it doesn't hit you and your players as a surprise when you get ready to take that next step. Do the math on what it would cost to fund ONE district under attack outside PFC. One that was under attack four days a week, buying clones to replenish, paying ringers if needed. This is a cheap way into PC and training at the top level at the same time. Your right we didn't plan for this because we didn't think of this... but think about it you have 60 members and a 25% tax rate, we have 40 members and a 10% tax rate. So even if you had a 10% tax you'd make more than us but you have 25% tax, more than double of ours because we don't believe in robbing our members blind. And fyi we have been attacked by several outside corps trying to take our district from us even though we are in pfc so we know what it is like is that why u had exemplars ringing when we attacked, even tho i sent a message to your ceo telling him it was a friendly attack? boy, what an asskicking we got tho. good job. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Top_Men./corporations GMD's the smallest US side corp kinda makes a difference. no, i was aware of the alliance they are in when i launched the attack. im not bitching about the use of ringers. i chalk it up to them assuming we were coming hard for them and their district. which, if they did, then their ceo is stupid or incompetent or both, as i sent a message to him telling him we werent gonna re-attack if we won. well, we didnt win. shrugs but if thats how GMD regularly runs their pc's, then disregard everything ive said. (i say that bc there were very few gmd in that match. but thats how it goes sometimes ;) ) i bleed chocolate milk........and poop batarangs
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1333	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:38:00 - [88] - Quote Chaotic-Intent: Alliance members have always been allowed to fight on PFC districts. And Top Men always fights mixed teams. Exemplars is our largest force US-side, so they generally make up a decent portion of our matches. They're practicing same as the rest of us. Once the new PFC thing is under control, there may be districts available. I am not sure if there will be an initial placement cost. There might not be, provided the weekly contribution to the enforcement fund is provided. (I am not a money person, I don't deal in money.) Right now, we're trying to get the existing folks settled into the community to chat about how PFC will operate. Once we have that, we'll put out a method for you to get on a waitlist, and then we'll fill any open spots down that list. Ideally. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Superhero Rawdon Chaotic-Intent General Tso's Alliance 161	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:47:00 - [89] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Chaotic-Intent: Alliance members have always been allowed to fight on PFC districts. And Top Men always fights mixed teams. Exemplars is our largest force US-side, so they generally make up a decent portion of our matches. They're practicing same as the rest of us. once again, i dont care. i only brought it up bc i assumed that they were under the impression that we were coming for their district. which we werent. i also said to disregard my statements if thats the way they usually do things. not a big deal. lol. i dont get mad about alliance ringers. i bleed chocolate milk........and poop batarangs
Tim Rapp Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 103	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:57:00 - [90] - Quote When we asked our Corp if they wanted to get into pfc almost everyone replied yes but only 3-5 players of our Corp actually log on for the battle... if everyone that said yes got on we would be able to field a full 16 but our luck just didn't work that way... that's why most of our team are alliance members... fyi I'm on more often than my CEO so if you want to warn us about that type of stuff you can send me a mail instead.

Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United The CORVOS 50	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:00:00 - [91] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Regarding money, we know how much everyone pays in, and we should know whenever an enforcement action has to take place. Therefore, we should know about how much money is going in and out of the operation, and hence, we should know how good of a deal we are or are not getting. These are all topics that the Council should discuss in the appropriate area. Gotcha, so just keep a rolling memo in your head. LOL...Excellent idea. Now, who is in control of the wallet? A trustable 3rd party of high reputation, nothing less. Like in real life, maddof type people can exist in this game, but the paranoia has to be left aside at some point to build anything, its the basis of any community.
Superhero Rawdon Chaotic-Intent General Tso's Alliance 161	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:09:00 - [92] - Quote Tim Rapp wrote: When we asked our Corp if they wanted to get into pfc almost everyone replied yes but only 3-5 players of our Corp actually log on for the battle... if everyone that said yes got on we would be able to field a full 16 but our luck just didn't work that way... that's why most of our team are alliance members... fyi I'm on more often than my CEO so if you want to warn us about that type of stuff you can send me a mail instead. well, if i had known that.... i bleed chocolate milk........and poop batarangs
BatKing Deltor Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 859	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:14:00 - [93] - Quote Superhero Rawdon wrote: no, i was aware of the alliance they are in when i launched the attack. im not bitching about the use of ringers. i chalk it up to them assuming we were coming hard for them and their district. which, if they did, then their ceo is stupid or incompetent or both, as i sent a message to him telling him we werent gonna re-attack if we won. well, we didnt win. shrugs but if thats how GMD regularly runs their pc's, then disregard everything ive said. (i say that bc there were very few gmd in that match. but thats how it goes sometimes ;) ) Well i havnt had the time to properly log on for much if at all in the past 3 weeks so forgive me for not replying and dont make some assumption your message was read at the time by me or anyone else. Thanks for the insult buddy even though i threw none at you first. I dont even know you. At least i know your attitude towards me, ill remember that. "...as a demon, it uses its power to rain fire and death upon the land, then it dies, but after a period of slumber.."
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 734	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:18:00 - [94] - Quote This little planet sure is getting heated up... CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 734	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:19:00 - [95] - Quote Grabbing popcorn. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Superhero Rawdon Chaotic-Intent General Tso's Alliance 161	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:34:00 - [96] - Quote BatKing Deltor wrote: Superhero Rawdon wrote: no, i was aware of the alliance they are in when i launched the attack. im not bitching about the use of ringers. i chalk it up to them assuming we were coming hard for them and their district. which, if they did, then their ceo is stupid or incompetent or both, as i sent a message to him telling him we werent gonna re-attack if we won. well, we didnt win. shrugs but if thats how GMD regularly runs their pc's, then disregard everything ive said. (i say that bc there were very few gmd in that match. but thats how it goes sometimes ;) ) Well i havnt had the time to properly log on for much if at all in the past 3 weeks so forgive me for not replying and dont make some assumption your message was read at the time by me or anyone else. Thanks for the insult buddy even though i threw none at you first. I dont even know you. At least i know your attitude towards me, ill remember that. my attitude towards you, if u would comprehend wut u read, is either/or. based on what ive been told in this thread, i dont feel that youre stupid or incompetent. really.....re-read wut i said. you will feel less insulted. i bleed chocolate milk........and poop batarangs
Shiyou Hidiyoshi 125	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:37:00 - [97] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: This little planet sure is getting heated up... Good because that is how PC is :P They are learning... My theme song Dad (CCP Logibro) please love me! cries - Yoshi
BatKing Deltor Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 859	Posted - 2014.02.05 00:08:00 - [98] - Quote Superhero Rawdon wrote: BatKing Deltor wrote: Superhero Rawdon wrote: no, i was aware of the alliance they are in when i launched the attack. im not bitching about the use of ringers. i chalk it up to them assuming we were coming hard for them and their district. which, if they did, then their ceo is stupid or incompetent or both, as i sent a message to him telling him we werent gonna re-attack if we won. well, we didnt win. shrugs but if thats how GMD regularly runs their pc's, then disregard everything ive said. (i say that bc there were very few gmd in that match. but thats how it goes sometimes ;) ) Well i havnt had the time to properly log on for much if at all in the past 3 weeks so forgive me for not replying and dont make some assumption your message was read at the time by me or anyone else. Thanks for the insult buddy even though i threw none at you first. I dont even know you. At least i know your attitude towards me, ill remember that. my attitude towards you, if u would comprehend wut u read, is either/or. based on what ive been told in this thread, i dont feel that youre stupid or incompetent. really.....re-read wut i said. you will feel less insulted. O.k.... bolded/underlined.... "...as a demon, it uses its power to rain fire and death upon the land, then it dies, but after a period of slumber.."
Superhero Rawdon Chaotic-Intent General Tso's Alliance 161	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:52:00 - [99] - Quote BatKing Deltor wrote: Superhero Rawdon wrote: BatKing Deltor wrote: Superhero Rawdon wrote: no, i was aware of the alliance they are in when i launched the attack. im not bitching about the use of ringers. i chalk it up to them assuming we were coming hard for them and their district. which, if they did, then their ceo is stupid or incompetent or both, as i sent a message to him telling him we werent gonna re-attack if we won. well, we didnt win. shrugs but if thats how GMD regularly runs their pc's, then disregard everything ive said. (i say that bc there were very few gmd in that match. but thats how it goes sometimes ;) ) Well i havnt had the time to properly log on for much if at all in the past 3 weeks so forgive me for not replying and dont make some assumption your message was read at the time by me or anyone else. Thanks for the insult buddy even though i threw none at you first. I dont even know you. At least i know your attitude towards me, ill remember that. my attitude towards you, if u would comprehend wut u read, is either/or. based on what ive been told in this thread, i dont feel that youre stupid or incompetent. really.....re-read wut i said. you will feel less insulted. O.k.... bolded/underlined.... i think youve got it i bleed chocolate milk........and poop batarangs
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United The CORVOS 50	Posted - 2014.02.05 04:37:00 - [100] - Quote Getting back to original topic, we will have to permit land owner to a least be able to sell extra clones to pay for the insurance and we should also have a clause that explain clearly when a district is in a "farming isk" state so there is ample room for fights and pay the insurance for peace from external trolls. I forwarded Sparos response if members can make it circulate he has some good arguments on how things can go smooth, QU endorse his position and the associated fees. Those that did not received it, i am sorry i was out of time and there is no mailing list which makes mail very tedious to forward. Ask around in the channel for it or send me a mail so i forward it to the members in need to see. You can also ask edguy 111 for it, he will forward it on my behalf.

Salviatino Maiano Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 112	Posted - 2014.02.05 04:56:00 - [101] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1142409#post1142409 So, are these the rules we're following? I'm right behind you...
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United The CORVOS 50	Posted - 2014.02.05 05:14:00 - [102] - Quote All points are still valid until expressed otherwise by the council, members have expressed the need for mandatory talks before a fight to organize details and better relations between parties and make respect of sovereignty on district a primer. This is regarding point 5 which is written as optional.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1334	Posted - 2014.02.05 05:45:00 - [103] - Quote Salviatino Maiano wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1142409#post1142409 So, are these the rules we're following? The Council, once we get enough people signed up over there, will vote in a set of rules. No longer will TeamPlayers or Ancient Exiles determine our rules of play. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 207	Posted - 2014.02.05 05:53:00 - [104] - Quote Again, who is controlling the ISK sent in?
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 388	Posted - 2014.02.05 06:05:00 - [105] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Salviatino Maiano wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1142409#post1142409 So, are these the rules we're following? The Council, once we get enough people signed up over there, will vote in a set of rules. No longer will TeamPlayers or Ancient Exiles determine our rules of play. Having a Council make rules makes no sense to me because the council consist of corps who won't always have a district on PFC so every time more corps join new rules would have to be established because district ownership on PFC should be changing ever month or two, the newer corps may not like the old rules so they could change and just make everything confusing so I think a outside corp should set the rules
Cubs Secretary 1	Posted - 2014.02.05 06:14:00 - [106] - Quote From the desk of Cubs: 'Many of you perhaps do not understand current PC monetary mechanics. Once a district fills on clones, the additonal clones over capacity are automatically sold to Genolution and isk deposited in your corp wallet. Research Labs and hubs yield 9mil isk daily while production facilities yield 11mil. A nominal fee paid weekly is not a burden on a district holder. You couple that with a corp's respective tax rate, and 10mil/week is a drop in the bucket. the chief argument of the dysfunction of PFC all this time was corps hiding behind the veil of 'good fights' without risk of losing their land, and many corps simply farming isk. the 'tax' addresses both issues, and the council shall place the power into the hands of the residents. Something that has long been sought after. the old rules will be tossed out the window in favor of whatever ruleset the council decides on, agreed upon by the residents and enforced by the good folks at NF.' current residents get going ASAP and get in contact with Soraya to secure your seat on the council! --------------------end transmission------------------------ Please take a number your call will be answered shortly. Sorry for the inconvenience
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1335	Posted - 2014.02.05 06:37:00 - [107] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Having a Council make rules makes no sense to me because the council consist of corps who won't always have a district on PFC so every time more corps join new rules would have to be established because district ownership on PFC should be changing ever month or two, the newer corps may not like the old rules so they could change and just make everything confusing so I think a outside corp should set the rules Edit: Zero-Day alliance should not have 3 district on PFC And as the Council changes, they may choose to vote to change out rules as warranted. You realize that having legislators make laws doesn't make any less sense because legislators eventually get replaced by other legislators, right? I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2563	Posted - 2014.02.05 08:04:00 - [108] - Quote Swamps plan is to fight pfc battles with the passive isk gained while simultaneously grinding pubs for when we are ready to start shouting "avass ye scurvy swine". This way we won't be spending, it'd kind of be pointless to spend saved future pc isk on training when we could launch attacks for 'free' every 2-3 days. I'd suggest any other corps in or coming to pfc that don't have loads of isk to do the same. It'd also be a good idea for each corp on pfc to arrange attacks and defences to avoid a total clusterfk. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2563	Posted - 2014.02.05 08:18:00 - [109] - Quote I'd also suggest that a district with full clones is the only time a district can be attacked, this avoids numerous bs, fking about and doesn't screw with peoples generating isk passively to launch their own attacks. Its going literally have to be some carebear crap to ensure everyone is getting the practice they need out of it and nothing hampers a corps efforts toward eventual pc, which is the goal. A lot of everything is going to rely on people being completely honest if its going to work. I think once a month, each district should get an 'organised' attack from a pc level team to determine whether a corp is ready but there needs to be an understanding that times vary, theres many factors and some corps will take longer than others, like for instance here at swamp, we don't just take anyone, if they don't fit in then I suggest corps for them and boot them so recruitment is slow for us, we all run our sht differently. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2563	Posted - 2014.02.05 08:21:00 - [110] - Quote We'll still all get the training we need, theres no point making it brutal like pc because that's coming anyway. We need the focus on training and good quality safe training at that, this way people really will get ready sooner rather than degrading the quality. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic

TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2563	Posted - 2014.02.05 08:29:00 - [111] - Quote If this all works out right, pfc will become the norm for newer corps. If they have a place to actually train properly then more people will bother with the game, kain and crew get to keep their cut and we all will be helping to make the game better. I heard some talk about corp battles coming back and that it'd make pfc pointless. Theres no districts or mechanics to corp battles. In fact I go so far as to say corp battles would be for quick hardcore matches and training for before you come to pfc so you'd know what to expect. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 134	Posted - 2014.02.05 08:39:00 - [112] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: We'll still all get the training we need, theres no point making it brutal like pc because that's coming anyway. We need the focus on training and good quality safe training at that, this way people really will get ready sooner rather than degrading the quality. "We learn and get better from our tough games" - DJIIN Soul (one of the very best FCs) Don't pamper the matches too much, they should be hard and pushing everyone to the edge of their limits. That is how you get better. It's like working out, running twenty feet does nothing, sprinting thirty miles will only kill you, jogging ten miles will improve you (you get the idea). Pubstomping and constantly getting 5 capped won't help, those tough games where it's a close one does. My theme song Dad (CCP Logibro) please love me! cries - Yoshi
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2565	Posted - 2014.02.05 08:55:00 - [113] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: We'll still all get the training we need, theres no point making it brutal like pc because that's coming anyway. We need the focus on training and good quality safe training at that, this way people really will get ready sooner rather than degrading the quality. "We learn and get better from our tough games" - DJIIN Soul (one of the very best FCs) Don't pamper the matches too much, they should be hard and pushing everyone to the edge of their limits. That is how you get better. It's like working out, running twenty feet does nothing, sprinting thirty miles will only kill you, jogging ten miles will improve you (you get the idea). Pubstomping and constantly getting 5 capped won't help, those tough games where it's a close one does. I'm not saying pamper the matches, I'm saying and quite clearly that we need to make sure that matches aren't messing with any corps actual progress or just straight up messes with them, what good will randomly attacking a corp actually achieve? If they are not ready then what training is getting farmed going to teach them? Nothing. All the brutality has yet to come and with all due respect, we have all paid for this. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2565	Posted - 2014.02.05 08:57:00 - [114] - Quote If that's not clear then you've not read my other posts. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2565	Posted - 2014.02.05 08:59:00 - [115] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: We'll still all get the training we need, theres no point making it brutal like pc because that's coming anyway. We need the focus on training and good quality safe training at that, this way people really will get ready sooner rather than degrading the quality. "We learn and get better from our tough games" - DJIIN Soul (one of the very best FCs) Don't pamper the matches too much, they should be hard and pushing everyone to the edge of their limits. That is how you get better. It's like working out, running twenty feet does nothing, sprinting thirty miles will only kill you, jogging ten miles will improve you (you get the idea). Pubstomping and constantly getting 5 capped won't help, those tough games where it's a close one does. And iv never had the pleasure of getting carried in pc, iv always fought with the underdogs so your preaching to the choir mate. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2565	Posted - 2014.02.05 09:06:00 - [116] - Quote What is your part in pfc shiyou so I know who I'm speaking to. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Bri Bub Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 8	Posted - 2014.02.05 12:28:00 - [117] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Salviatino Maiano wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1142409#post1142409 So, are these the rules we're following? The Council, once we get enough people signed up over there, will vote in a set of rules. No longer will TeamPlayers or Ancient Exiles determine our rules of play. Fair enough but bear in mind that the previous (actually current, until a new set is made publicly available) rules are those that all corps that joined PFC under them, i.e. everyone currently in PFC, we're bound to... PFC leadership changes and it is their prerogative to adjust the rule set to best address the needs of the community but... Importantly, the entire set of rules must be made public and must be posted to these forums, not another site where everyone that can access dust514.com cannot get to... Then current occupants should be allowed sufficient time to fall in line or make other plans... Additionally... The way this topic is progressing suggests PFC district ISK farming will be allowed not only to cover the NF insurance policy but to actively launch attacks outside of PFC while the respective corporation has no plans to move off PFC in the short term... This will lead to abuse, so I will be interested to see what comes of the first internal enforcement action, i.e. when NF has to move against one of its policyholders... TL/DR Post revised PFC rules to dust514.com forums sooner than later. Be just and if you can't be just be arbitrary.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2566	Posted - 2014.02.05 12:41:00 - [118] - Quote Bri Bub wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Salviatino Maiano wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1142409#post1142409 So, are these the rules we're following? The Council, once we get enough people signed up over there, will vote in a set of rules. No longer will TeamPlayers or Ancient Exiles determine our rules of play. Fair enough but bear in mind that the previous (actually current, until a new set is made publicly available) rules are those that all corps that joined PFC under them, i.e. everyone currently in PFC, we're bound to... PFC leadership changes and it is their prerogative to adjust the rule set to best address the needs of the community but... Importantly, the entire set of rules must be made public and must be posted to these forums, not another site where everyone that can access dust514.com cannot get to... Then current occupants should be allowed sufficient time to fall in line or make other plans... Additionally... The way this topic is progressing suggests PFC district ISK farming will be allowed not only to cover the NF insurance policy but to actively launch attacks outside of PFC while the respective corporation has no plans to move off PFC in the short term... This will lead to abuse, so I will be interested to see what comes of the first internal enforcement action, i.e. when NF has to move against one of its policyholders... TL/DR Post revised PFC rules to dust514.com forums sooner than later. Keep your assumptions away from this thread please or at least keep them to yourself. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2566	Posted - 2014.02.05 12:52:00 - [119] - Quote I'm sorry but assumptions start a hype in dust, that then gets taken as fact far too much. Idiocy to be perfectly honest. Keep opinions and assumptions of 'what if' out of this thread please and stay on the subject. It rare I take anything seriously on the forums I know lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1707	Posted - 2014.02.05 13:02:00 - [120] - Quote Well its kind of obvious that once the council has agreed rules they will be published, until then speculation about what the rules are and claiming ISK farming is allowed is merely speculation and I highly doubt farming is going to be allowed it defeats the purpose of PFC completely. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.

TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2566	Posted - 2014.02.05 13:07:00 - [121] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Well its kind of obvious that once the council has agreed rules they will be published, until then speculation about what the rules are and claiming ISK farming is allowed is merely speculation and I highly doubt farming is going to be allowed it defeats the purpose of PFC completely. Yeah well I don't see any mention of farming being allowed in this thread. If by that you mean the fact swamp will use the passive isk gain to launch attacks then you are wrong, it'll be used to launch attacks so we don't use what pc savings we have and can continue to grind pubs to add to it. You see the logic in that? Why waste saved pc isk to train, getting into pc is the whole point. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2566	Posted - 2014.02.05 13:22:00 - [122] - Quote Anyway its probably best to wait to discuss the rules in a better place and iv now drunk a few lol. Kronenbourg Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1708	Posted - 2014.02.05 13:32:00 - [123] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Well its kind of obvious that once the council has agreed rules they will be published, until then speculation about what the rules are and claiming ISK farming is allowed is merely speculation and I highly doubt farming is going to be allowed it defeats the purpose of PFC completely. Yeah well I don't see any mention of farming being allowed in this thread. If by that you mean the fact swamp will use the passive isk gain to launch attacks then you are wrong, it'll be used to launch attacks so we don't use what pc savings we have and can continue to grind pubs to add to it. You see the logic in that? Why waste saved pc isk to train, getting into pc is the whole point. I was infact referring to someone else claiming that by the look of it so far ISK farming was allowed and pointing out that it is all speculation until the council meets. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2566	Posted - 2014.02.05 13:36:00 - [124] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Well its kind of obvious that once the council has agreed rules they will be published, until then speculation about what the rules are and claiming ISK farming is allowed is merely speculation and I highly doubt farming is going to be allowed it defeats the purpose of PFC completely. Yeah well I don't see any mention of farming being allowed in this thread. If by that you mean the fact swamp will use the passive isk gain to launch attacks then you are wrong, it'll be used to launch attacks so we don't use what pc savings we have and can continue to grind pubs to add to it. You see the logic in that? Why waste saved pc isk to train, getting into pc is the whole point. I was infact referring to someone else claiming that by the look of it so far ISK farming was allowed and pointing out that it is all speculation until the council meets. Haha, yeah the beer is settling in then, I apologise mate. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1048	Posted - 2014.02.05 14:17:00 - [125] - Quote Few things that We have learned since the beginning of PFC: - Fights are for training purposes only. Not to Flip the district. Which means both parties involved can discuss the terms of the battle prior to the battle if they chose to, or go all out with no gear restrictions... - Ringers are frowned upon. If you can't field a team of full 16 Corp members, then you shouldn't be on the PFC. But sometimes there are issues with attendance, Hard freeze and so on... In those cases, Corps used to match number of players to have an even fight. (But its Rare, Everyone loves stomping)... - Alliance members are not considered as Ringers. It's for training, so the District owner may choose to bring in alliance members for training purposes. - So far we have only Had "GGs" After a PFC match. Not a single case of trash talking. Let's keep it civil - There were no Set council... It was more like whoever had the best players at that time... No We are working on building one.. Hopefully we can keep this politics free and Focus solely on PFC... Lets keep our personal Agendas aside. Let's not make anyone the king of the ring and create unnecessary tension. - We did not have any enforcers, hence all the drama surrounding PFC. . . But now NF is willing to take that contract. They are no doubt a Successful and trustworthy Contractor. But 10 mil a week is a bit steep IMO... But hopefully we can discuss that and lower it a bit. Corps training for PC could use the extra Mil or two ISK... No one has to hold the ISK. Corps can personally make arrangements with NF for payment. This would help avoid any confusion regarding Weekly payment. If a CORP forgets or fails to pay, that'd be up to the CORP... No one can blame the other person for it... - Tenure in PFC should be discussed. Not forced upon any Corp. If a Corp feels that they have a Fully PC ready team, than they can discuss their departure. Sell it to someone else or do whatever transaction they feel comfortable with. Choose the next successor from a proper waiting list. Call in a Vote for a waiting list. Not like "My friend wants in" even though that friend has 10 players in the Corp.
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4490	Posted - 2014.02.05 14:55:00 - [126] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: What is your part in pfc shiyou so I know who I'm speaking to. I really hope your plan can work, I think PFC is important to give new corps the "Taste" of PC. But i would remind you that you exist at the larger corps discretion, yes having NF police it is great( be glad they are willing to take on that headache ) So diplomacy is still important for PFC members challenging or insulting larger corps could be detrimental to PFC and I would caution against it when many corps already wish to burn it to the ground.
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United The CORVOS 51	Posted - 2014.02.05 15:18:00 - [127] - Quote Totally agree with NAV, from our first encouters with death legion we learned alot because we fielded 2 experienced mercs outside our alliance but people with whom we play often. They did not charge a dime and we considered them trainers. If we are to learn, one or two trainers should be acceptable the first x battles to get things booted, NF could even be invited to train each team by fielding on each side. Finally launching attacks on molden heath from a PFC district should be prohibited. It is ill conceived that a corp can corrupt the spirit of the defence contract and while protected, launch hostile actions outside.
Bud Selig 10	Posted - 2014.02.05 15:21:00 - [128] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: I really hope your plan can work, I think PFC is important to give new corps the "Taste" of PC. But i would remind you that you exist at the larger corps discretion, yes having NF police it is great( be glad they are willing to take on that headache ) So diplomacy is still important for PFC members challenging or insulting larger corps could be detrimental to PFC and I would caution against it when many corps already wish to burn it to the ground. And thus a statue in the likeness of this gentleman shall be erected on the main concourse on a district on PFC, welcoming all newcomers to the area and serving as a reminder that there shall be zero tolerance for PED's in this system well said sir Commissioner Regional BBQ Competition Judge Rampage's Parole Officer
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1050	Posted - 2014.02.05 15:23:00 - [129] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: Totally agree with NAV, from our first encouters with death legion we learned alot because we fielded 2 experienced mercs outside our alliance but people with whom we play often. They did not charge a dime and we considered them trainers. If we are to learn, one or two trainers should be acceptable the first x battles to get things booted, NF could even be invited to train each team by fielding on each side. Finally launching attacks on molden heath from a PFC district should be prohibited. It is ill conceived that a corp can corrupt the spirit of the defence contract and while protected, launch hostile actions outside. Ohh yes forgot to add that...
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1336	Posted - 2014.02.05 15:27:00 - [130] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: Totally agree with NAV, from our first encouters with death legion we learned alot because we fielded 2 experienced mercs outside our alliance but people with whom we play often. They did not charge a dime and we considered them trainers. If we are to learn, one or two trainers should be acceptable the first x battles to get things booted, NF could even be invited to train each team by fielding on each side. Finally launching attacks on molden heath from a PFC district should be prohibited. It is ill conceived that a corp can corrupt the spirit of the defence contract and while protected, launch hostile actions outside. People have run against us with like one or two ringers, and we usually don't make a big deal of it. Early on, there was one unpaid guy who was in a lot of our battles helping us out. We usually only take issue when someone brings a whole pile of ringers. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate

Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United The CORVOS 51	Posted - 2014.02.05 15:56:00 - [131] - Quote Formalities should still be written down to prevent misunderstandings. We would like to have training duties added to the defence contractors obligations with one trainer on each side not taking part in the battle but giving advices. I think it can be beneficial to the contractor also to test strategies should the game balance be changed by ccp which is often the case. With this added value for our weekly payment we would have great training benefitS which would be visible even during time of peace.
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 390	Posted - 2014.02.05 16:34:00 - [132] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Having a Council make rules makes no sense to me because the council consist of corps who won't always have a district on PFC so every time more corps join new rules would have to be established because district ownership on PFC should be changing ever month or two, the newer corps may not like the old rules so they could change and just make everything confusing so I think a outside corp should set the rules Edit: Zero-Day alliance should not have 3 district on PFC And as the Council changes, they may choose to vote to change out rules as warranted. You realize that having legislators make laws doesn't make any less sense because legislators eventually get replaced by other legislators, right? you aren't understanding my point with the council adding and losing corps in a month or two, thats how long i think you should stay on PFC before you have to give up your spot. As the council changes the rules for PFC may be changed as well, I just feel the rules if they constantly change would just get to confusing to follow, thats why i feel like a outside corp should set the rules for PFC because not one corp is on PFC forever.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2566	Posted - 2014.02.05 16:45:00 - [133] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Having a Council make rules makes no sense to me because the council consist of corps who won't always have a district on PFC so every time more corps join new rules would have to be established because district ownership on PFC should be changing ever month or two, the newer corps may not like the old rules so they could change and just make everything confusing so I think a outside corp should set the rules Edit: Zero-Day alliance should not have 3 district on PFC And as the Council changes, they may choose to vote to change out rules as warranted. You realize that having legislators make laws doesn't make any less sense because legislators eventually get replaced by other legislators, right? you aren't understanding my point with the council adding and losing corps in a month or two, thats how long i think you should stay on PFC before you have to give up your spot. As the council changes the rules for PFC may be changed as well, I just feel the rules if they constantly change would just get to confusing to follow, thats why i feel like a outside corp should set the rules for PFC because not one corp is on PFC forever. I'm fine with that provided its all discussed with the pfc corps ceos and directors seen as each corp has not only spent a considerable amount of isk buying a district but that each corp varies in its situation and operates differently. Swamps slow recruitment is an example, we don't just take anybod in. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United The CORVOS 52	Posted - 2014.02.05 16:56:00 - [134] - Quote I dont see how rules can change that much if they are designed with intelligence and leave any personnal agenda out. Unless we were total idiots when designing them and the community fails to see something wrong and its reported months afterward, you can rest at peace, they should stay set for a rather long time. Now you have to split permanent rules with common affairs. the council still must take some actions to enforce rules. This will not make the rules invalid per see If extraordinary circumstances happens. There will always be a legacy of people instilling the current rules to newcomers, call them temporary conservatives on the council because they will have seen the benefits of the current rules in current affairs. So a newcommer will always face opposition in changing the rules from the existing land owners. Think like in real life, when does an outsider given the authority to change everything in a group from day one ? Almost never, he is forced into viewing things like the group first then he gets his chance to consteuctively change point of view as trust is gained from that outsider. So fear not, we can do this constructively and have faith in its legacy.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2567	Posted - 2014.02.05 16:56:00 - [135] - Quote Well actually we do take anybody in but if they don't fit in then they get corp suggestions and booted. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2567	Posted - 2014.02.05 16:59:00 - [136] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: I dont see how rules can change that much if they are designed with intelligence and leave any personnal agenda out. Unless we were total idiots when designing them and the community fails to see something wrong and its reported months afterward, you can rest at peace, they should stay set for a rather long time. Now you have to split permanent rules with common affairs. the council still must take some actions to enforce rules. This will not make the rules invalid per see If extraordinary circumstances happens. There will always be a legacy of people instilling the current rules to newcomers, call them temporary conservatives on the council because they will have seen the benefits of the current rules in current affairs. So a newcommer will always face opposition in changing the rules from the existing land owners. Think like in real life, when does an outsider given the authority to change everything in a group from day one ? Almost never, he is forced into viewing things like the group first then he gets his chance to consteuctively change point of view as trust is gained from that outsider. So fear not, we can do this constructively and have faith in its legacy. Your not wrong but that depends on experience, if someone is a newcomer but has greater experience than the current lot then they will take the newcomers ideas and input into great consideration. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1709	Posted - 2014.02.05 16:59:00 - [137] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Having a Council make rules makes no sense to me because the council consist of corps who won't always have a district on PFC so every time more corps join new rules would have to be established because district ownership on PFC should be changing ever month or two, the newer corps may not like the old rules so they could change and just make everything confusing so I think a outside corp should set the rules Edit: Zero-Day alliance should not have 3 district on PFC And as the Council changes, they may choose to vote to change out rules as warranted. You realize that having legislators make laws doesn't make any less sense because legislators eventually get replaced by other legislators, right? you aren't understanding my point with the council adding and losing corps in a month or two, thats how long i think you should stay on PFC before you have to give up your spot. As the council changes the rules for PFC may be changed as well, I just feel the rules if they constantly change would just get to confusing to follow, thats why i feel like a outside corp should set the rules for PFC because not one corp is on PFC forever. That is what has happened previously one corp deciding the rule. unfortunately as shown the ones in charge change so the same thing occurs every few months or so the rules change because of the corp in charge changing. With a council however if a set of rules are made then in say a month 3 corps have left and 3 new have joined that does not automatically mean the rules will change the new corps will take over the votes of the old and new rules may appear or they may not. It is not going to be a case of everytime some representatives change the entire rule set changes unless something drastic happens like a change in the mechanics of PC that affect PFC for example. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United The CORVOS 52	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:01:00 - [138] - Quote Implementing a review process can also be done by saying each change to rules must garner x likes in a post before being evaluated by the council.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1051	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:05:00 - [139] - Quote Too many rules are gonna make things complicating... I've listed almost all the issues that are there. Not very difficult and doesn't require so much of arguments. It is a very simple matter. All we need is people to agree on terms and go on about shooting things and playing the game///
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 391	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:05:00 - [140] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Having a Council make rules makes no sense to me because the council consist of corps who won't always have a district on PFC so every time more corps join new rules would have to be established because district ownership on PFC should be changing ever month or two, the newer corps may not like the old rules so they could change and just make everything confusing so I think a outside corp should set the rules Edit: Zero-Day alliance should not have 3 district on PFC And as the Council changes, they may choose to vote to change out rules as warranted. You realize that having legislators make laws doesn't make any less sense because legislators eventually get replaced by other legislators, right? you aren't understanding my point with the council adding and losing corps in a month or two, thats how long i think you should stay on PFC before you have to give up your spot. As the council changes the rules for PFC may be changed as well, I just feel the rules if they constantly change would just get to confusing to follow, thats why i feel like a outside corp should set the rules for PFC because not one corp is on PFC forever. That is what has happened previously one corp deciding the rule. unfortunately as shown the ones in charge change so the same thing occurs every few months or so the rules change because of the corp in charge changing. With a council however if a set of rules are made then in say a month 3 corps have left and 3 new have joined that does not automatically mean the rules will change the new corps will take over the votes of the old and new rules may appear or they may not. It is not going to be a case of everytime some representatives change the entire rule set changes unless something drastic happens like a change in the mechanics of PC that affect PFC for example. It just makes it seem like with this council you are just trying to stay longer on PFC than corps should Here are 5 simple rules for PFC 1.) 1 to 2 months stay before you have to give up you district, If you are in an alliance you can't give it to another corp in your alliance 2.) 1 district per alliance on PFC some alliance have 2 to 3 district atm, this is to prevent an alliance to farm huge amounts of isk on PFC 3.) You can't own a district outside of PFC 4.) Ringers are allowed but you have to notify the crop you will be using them 5.) you can't move clones to attack a district outside PFC

Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1336	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:19:00 - [141] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: you aren't understanding my point with the council adding and losing corps in a month or two, thats how long i think you should stay on PFC before you have to give up your spot. The important point: Nobody gives a crud what a Nyain San member thinks should be done on PFC. It doesn't affect you, and it's none of your business. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Common- Sense Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:22:00 - [142] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: you aren't understanding my point with the council adding and losing corps in a month or two, thats how long i think you should stay on PFC before you have to give up your spot. The important point: Nobody gives a crud what a Nyain San member thinks should be done on PFC. It doesn't affect you, and it's none of your business. Uh oh.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1336	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:26:00 - [143] - Quote The whole point of PFC members determining the rules of PFC is that the people deciding how to use it should be the people who actually use it for training and practice. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2567	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:29:00 - [144] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: What is your part in pfc shiyou so I know who I'm speaking to. I really hope your plan can work, I think PFC is important to give new corps the "Taste" of PC. But i would remind you that you exist at the larger corps discretion, yes having NF police it is great( be glad they are willing to take on that headache ) So diplomacy is still important for PFC members challenging or insulting larger corps could be detrimental to PFC and I would caution against it when many corps already wish to burn it to the ground. Its painful how you have stated out the obvious but yes I know, thanks. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 392	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:47:00 - [145] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: you aren't understanding my point with the council adding and losing corps in a month or two, thats how long i think you should stay on PFC before you have to give up your spot. The important point: Nobody gives a crud what a Nyain San member thinks should be done on PFC. It doesn't affect you, and it's none of your business. Ok thats a little uncalled for all I'm saying alliances like Top Men, Zero-Day should not be allowed to have multiple district on PFC when our corps probably want a chance to train for pc
Common- Sense Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 5	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:51:00 - [146] - Quote You should worry very much about what Nyain San thinks as well as the rest of the forces of Molden Heath are thinking. You seem to forget that there is NO right for Planet Fight Club to exist and it does so only by the grace of the major powers of MH. Powers whom believe in giving smaller corps a chance to develop. Powers whom want Planetary Conquest to succeed and know that only by bringing in new players and new corps that it has a chance to do so. However, these same powers now watch as PFC becomes a revenue stream for a potential rival with entry and protection fees vs. the act of charity it was to this point. They also watch as this new council and its leader spits in their face and tells them that their good will is no longer needed. NF is a great force and one to be respected and feared. However, if the whole of Molden Heath decides that Planet Fight Club is no longer of value there will be little that can be done to stop the resulting tidal wave. I respect what you are trying to accomplish here. I really do. But, you would be wise to remember what I have stated before making these kind of statements. Your are running for office. Try being political and perhaps not poking the hibernating bear.
Sentient Archon Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 1549	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:53:00 - [147] - Quote Common- Sense wrote: You should worry very much about what Nyain San thinks as well as the rest of the forces of Molden Heath are thinking. You seem to forget that there is NO right for Planet Fight Club to exist and it does so only by the grace of the major powers of MH. Powers whom believe in giving smaller corps a chance to develop. Powers whom want Planetary Conquest to succeed and know that only by bringing in new players and new corps that it has a chance to do so. However, these same powers now watch as PFC becomes a revenue stream for a potential rival with entry and protection fees vs. the act of charity it was to this point. They also watch as this new council and its leader spits in their face and tells them that their good will is no longer needed. NF is a great force and one to be respected and feared. However, if the whole of Molden Heath decides that Planet Fight Club is no longer of value there will be little that can be done to stop the resulting tidal wave. I respect what you are trying to accomplish here. I really do. But, you would be wise to remember what I have stated before making these kind of statements. Your are running for office. Try being political and perhaps not poking the hibernating bear. Reported for using the Phrase Common Sense is your name. As per Article 17 Paragraph 14 of posting on dust forums I want this account banned. The only troll to successfully troll CCP.
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United The CORVOS 52	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:53:00 - [148] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: you aren't understanding my point with the council adding and losing corps in a month or two, thats how long i think you should stay on PFC before you have to give up your spot. The important point: Nobody gives a crud what a Nyain San member thinks should be done on PFC. It doesn't affect you, and it's none of your business. Ok thats a little uncalled for all I'm saying alliances like Top Men, Zero-Day should not be allowed to have multiple district on PFC when our corps probably want a chance to train for pc What, your corp wants a chance to train for pc and you have more than 20% of molden heath ? Ok................ Did i miss something here.......... Do you seriously need a plan here ? What you have wrote makes no sense at all.... Ok cant write anymore.... Brrr...ain. Fried !
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 392	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:56:00 - [149] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: you aren't understanding my point with the council adding and losing corps in a month or two, thats how long i think you should stay on PFC before you have to give up your spot. The important point: Nobody gives a crud what a Nyain San member thinks should be done on PFC. It doesn't affect you, and it's none of your business. Ok thats a little uncalled for all I'm saying alliances like Top Men, Zero-Day should not be allowed to have multiple district on PFC when our corps probably want a chance to train for pc What, your corp wants a chance to train for pc and you have more than 20% of molden heath ? Ok................ Did i miss something here.......... Do you seriously need a plan here ? What you have wrote makes no sense at all.... Ok cant write anymore.... Brrr...ain. Fried ! No you aren't understanding me why does alliances like the ones i mention get multiple district on PFC while others corp probably want to get a PFC district to train wasn't saying my corp but 3 PFC district for one alliance that is way too much
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1341	Posted - 2014.02.05 18:02:00 - [150] - Quote Mr Machine Guns, in the case of Top Men, the only party I can speak for, we've been told by every major power who's ever run PFC that our case is acceptable. We operate in two time zones, US and EU time. The teams that practice and play on those districts are entirely different groups of people. And to this day, no PFC enforcement corp has mandated a one-per-alliance limit. Whether or not this new group does or not largely depends on how the other members of PFC feel about it. Personally, I'd be happy to see the PFC concept expand beyond Oddelulf, if needed, to provide enough space for any corps who wish to have a spot to get one. With PFC moving to a business model, this actually may now be a practical concept. Common- Sense, I would not want to call myself the leader of the Council. I'm going to try and serve the Council's interests, by providing an organization framework, based almost entirely on their input. And once everything's put together, that will include the ability to replace me with someone else. A member of Nyain San has almost no ability to comprehend what challenges do and do not face a smaller participant in PC. A month with a single district equals roughly 14 PC matches. It is ludicrous to believe that no corp should need more than 14 matches to be able to compete with Ancient Exiles or Nyain San. Especially when many of the PFC corps consist of players who do not all appear for every match, meaning any given player probably sees far less than 14 fights in that month. He should, I hope, be able to understand that he doesn't have the perspective necessary to make such a claim. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate

Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 392	Posted - 2014.02.05 18:16:00 - [151] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns, in the case of Top Men, the only party I can speak for, we've been told by every major power who's ever run PFC that our case is acceptable. We operate in two time zones, US and EU time. The teams that practice and play on those districts are entirely different groups of people. And to this day, no PFC enforcement corp has mandated a one-per-alliance limit. Whether or not this new group does or not largely depends on how the other members of PFC feel about it. Personally, I'd be happy to see the PFC concept expand beyond Oddelulf, if needed, to provide enough space for any corps who wish to have a spot to get one. With PFC moving to a business model, this actually may now be a practical concept. Common- Sense, I would not want to call myself the leader of the Council. I'm going to try and serve the Council's interests, by providing an organization framework, based almost entirely on their input. And once everything's put together, that will include the ability to replace me with someone else. A member of Nyain San has almost no ability to comprehend what challenges do and do not face a smaller participant in PC. A month with a single district equals roughly 14 PC matches. It is ludicrous to believe that no corp should need more than 14 matches to be able to compete with Ancient Exiles or Nyain San. Especially when many of the PFC corps consist of players who do not all appear for every match, meaning any given player probably sees far less than 14 fights in that month. He should, I hope, be able to understand that he doesn't have the perspective necessary to make such a claim. But the top corps never had a thing like PFC they just took there losses in PC and learned from them they didn't have an thing like PFC back in the day, so all I'm saying is i think this council is a bad idea i feel like its just a way for corps to stay on PFC longer than they should be allowed to stay, like i said 1 to 2 months max on it then you need to go out in MH and try and get a district outside of PFC, you can be allowed back to PFC but you go to the bottom of the list, Alliances only get one district but if the time zone are greatly different two is acceptable but alliances on PFC can't pass district off between thats just not fair to other corps
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United The CORVOS 52	Posted - 2014.02.05 18:16:00 - [152] - Quote Alliances at the level we are does not mean much or doesnt really add anything that substantial cause we maintain no real permanent assets of values dust side.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1340	Posted - 2014.02.05 18:24:00 - [153] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: But the top corps never had a thing like PFC they just took there losses in PC and learned from them they didn't have an thing like PFC back in the day, so all I'm saying is i think this council is a bad idea i feel like its just a way for corps to stay on PFC longer than they should be allowed to stay, like i said 1 to 2 months max on it then you need to go out in MH and try and get a district outside of PFC, you can be allowed back to PFC but you go to the bottom of the list, Alliances only get one district but if the time zone are greatly different two is acceptable but alliances on PFC can't pass district off between thats just not fair to other corps , one more thing i should add is no eve support unless agreed upon And the top corps, in many cases, are compilations of all of the top players in the game. We have people ranging from players that one on one can easily match any other player out there, to newbies just starting out. That have to apparently be able to compete with players who have been playing this game as a team for over a year already, and were probably playing as a team in other games before it, in many cases. Also, while a lot of players in the top corps cap their SP every week, and can be found playing every single day, I know in the case of my alliance, many of our members have families and are only available for small periods of time or a few days a week. Your posts make it clear you really know nothing of what the corps participating in PFC face, and how we differ from the landholders of the majority of Molden Heath. As stated above, you get, really at most, 14 matches on a PFC district a month. So let me ask you this, Mr. Machine Guns: Do you believe, that 16 newbies can beat a Nyain San team with 14 matches of practice? I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 419	Posted - 2014.02.05 18:27:00 - [154] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns, in the case of Top Men, the only party I can speak for, we've been told by every major power who's ever run PFC that our case is acceptable. We operate in two time zones, US and EU time. The teams that practice and play on those districts are entirely different groups of people. And to this day, no PFC enforcement corp has mandated a one-per-alliance limit. Whether or not this new group does or not largely depends on how the other members of PFC feel about it. Personally, I'd be happy to see the PFC concept expand beyond Oddelulf, if needed, to provide enough space for any corps who wish to have a spot to get one. With PFC moving to a business model, this actually may now be a practical concept. Common- Sense, I would not want to call myself the leader of the Council. I'm going to try and serve the Council's interests, by providing an organization framework, based almost entirely on their input. And once everything's put together, that will include the ability to replace me with someone else. A member of Nyain San has almost no ability to comprehend what challenges do and do not face a smaller participant in PC. A month with a single district equals roughly 14 PC matches. It is ludicrous to believe that no corp should need more than 14 matches to be able to compete with Ancient Exiles or Nyain San. Especially when many of the PFC corps consist of players who do not all appear for every match, meaning any given player probably sees far less than 14 fights in that month. He should, I hope, be able to understand that he doesn't have the perspective necessary to make such a claim. Sorry to inform you but you lost my vote due to your support of the corruption that is PFC. Please fix the mic bubble bug...
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1710	Posted - 2014.02.05 18:29:00 - [155] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns, in the case of Top Men, the only party I can speak for, we've been told by every major power who's ever run PFC that our case is acceptable. We operate in two time zones, US and EU time. The teams that practice and play on those districts are entirely different groups of people. And to this day, no PFC enforcement corp has mandated a one-per-alliance limit. Whether or not this new group does or not largely depends on how the other members of PFC feel about it. Personally, I'd be happy to see the PFC concept expand beyond Oddelulf, if needed, to provide enough space for any corps who wish to have a spot to get one. With PFC moving to a business model, this actually may now be a practical concept. Common- Sense, I would not want to call myself the leader of the Council. I'm going to try and serve the Council's interests, by providing an organization framework, based almost entirely on their input. And once everything's put together, that will include the ability to replace me with someone else. A member of Nyain San has almost no ability to comprehend what challenges do and do not face a smaller participant in PC. A month with a single district equals roughly 14 PC matches. It is ludicrous to believe that no corp should need more than 14 matches to be able to compete with Ancient Exiles or Nyain San. Especially when many of the PFC corps consist of players who do not all appear for every match, meaning any given player probably sees far less than 14 fights in that month. He should, I hope, be able to understand that he doesn't have the perspective necessary to make such a claim. But the top corps never had a thing like PFC they just took there losses in PC and learned from them they didn't have an thing like PFC back in the day, so all I'm saying is i think this council is a bad idea i feel like its just a way for corps to stay on PFC longer than they should be allowed to stay, like i said 1 to 2 months max on it then you need to go out in MH and try and get a district outside of PFC, you can be allowed back to PFC but you go to the bottom of the list, Alliances only get one district but if the time zone are greatly different two is acceptable but alliances on PFC can't pass district off between thats just not fair to other corps , one more thing i should add is no eve support unless agreed upon Thats the thing though, nothing is finalized yet once the council is meeting and rules have been agreed maybe the rules will say 1 district per alliance 1 month before you are out that kind of thing we do not know yet. However ideas for potential rules are greatly welcomed I know I am reading through this thread carefully so see if anything crops up that I have not thought of and to see if any one has any great ideas. All we ask is a little patience Soraya has set up a forum for the representatives to talk which is a fantastic idea but at the moment not all corps are sold on the idea and there are the inevitable TZ/language barriers that need to be over come first. I will be pushing for as much transparency as I can and rules that benefit newer corps over more established ones as I think that is what is needed to make PFC great. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 393	Posted - 2014.02.05 18:34:00 - [156] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: But the top corps never had a thing like PFC they just took there losses in PC and learned from them they didn't have an thing like PFC back in the day, so all I'm saying is i think this council is a bad idea i feel like its just a way for corps to stay on PFC longer than they should be allowed to stay, like i said 1 to 2 months max on it then you need to go out in MH and try and get a district outside of PFC, you can be allowed back to PFC but you go to the bottom of the list, Alliances only get one district but if the time zone are greatly different two is acceptable but alliances on PFC can't pass district off between thats just not fair to other corps , one more thing i should add is no eve support unless agreed upon And the top corps, in many cases, are compilations of all of the top players in the game. We have people ranging from players that one on one can easily match any other player out there, to newbies just starting out. That have to apparently be able to compete with players who have been playing this game as a team for over a year already, and were probably playing as a team in other games before it, in many cases. Also, while a lot of players in the top corps cap their SP every week, and can be found playing every single day, I know in the case of my alliance, many of our members have families and are only available for small periods of time or a few days a week. Your posts make it clear you really know nothing of what the corps participating in PFC face, and how we differ from the landholders of the majority of Molden Heath. As stated above, you get, really at most, 14 matches on a PFC district a month. So let me ask you this, Mr. Machine Guns: Do you believe, that 16 newbies can beat a Nyain San team with 14 matches of practice? Theres a PFC rule that you have to attack Nyain San after you leave? Why do you have to attack us there are other corps to attack
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1340	Posted - 2014.02.05 18:35:00 - [157] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: Sorry to inform you but you lost my vote due to your support of the corruption that is PFC. Okay. I guess that's kinda sad, but I don't really decide how to play DUST based on how many votes it will get me. I do what I feel is best for my alliance and the community at large. PFC gives a lot more players a chance to play than the rest of PC does, and that's why I support it. Also, note that while PFC in the past was a bit of a New Eden anomaly, being a "charity" of sorts, this new model is more akin to a renter system in EVE. In New Eden, generally, territory is held by one of two ways: Being strong enough to defend it yourself, or renting it from someone who is. By contract with N-F, PFC should become a beneficial arrangement for all parties involved. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1340	Posted - 2014.02.05 18:37:00 - [158] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: As stated above, you get, really at most, 14 matches on a PFC district a month. So let me ask you this, Mr. Machine Guns: Do you believe, that 16 newbies can beat a Nyain San team with 14 matches of practice? Theres a PFC rule that you have to attack Nyain San after you leave? Why do you have to attack us there are other corps to attack In the case of our alliance, we've invested in PC outside of MH many times. Nyain San has been responsible for many of those investments being a waste. If a corp can't protect itself from Nyain San, it would be a poor choice to even try to play PC outside of PFC. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Tim Rapp Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 103	Posted - 2014.02.05 18:39:00 - [159] - Quote Please tell me how it's already corrupted before we even start to try to make it better? I feel you are just one of those people that just shoots everything down no matter what it is.
Common- Sense Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 6	Posted - 2014.02.05 18:45:00 - [160] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Also, note that while PFC in the past was a bit of a New Eden anomaly, being a "charity" of sorts, this new model is more akin to a renter system in EVE. In New Eden, generally, territory is held by one of two ways: Being strong enough to defend it yourself, or renting it from someone who is. By contract with N-F, PFC should become a beneficial arrangement for all parties involved. That is an interesting observation and one I had pondered myself. It will be interesting to see how this system moves forward in Dust.

Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1341	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:17:00 - [161] - Quote As a note, seven PFC corps are currently represented on the board. If your corp is on PFC, and you have not registered at http://forums.dust-gents.com and followed the verification instructions in red text there, please ensure you do so as expediently as possible to ensure your corp has a say in the coming proceedings. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 208	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:18:00 - [162] - Quote Why is my question being ignored? I've asked three times now and no answer yet. Who is in charge of this wallet? Just say the name. It is ok, he won't bite you.
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1710	Posted - 2014.02.05 21:22:00 - [163] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Why is my question being ignored? I've asked three times now and no answer yet. Who is in charge of this wallet? Just say the name. It is ok, he won't bite you. I think no one has answered that yet because until the council meets and decides how payment is handled its still unsure, it could be that each corp pays ERA themselves or they all pay into a fund which then goes to them or they could decide and use a third party escrow service. I am sure once it is all finalized you will get more details. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4494	Posted - 2014.02.05 21:30:00 - [164] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ares 514 wrote: Sorry to inform you but you lost my vote due to your support of the corruption that is PFC. Okay. I guess that's kinda sad, but I don't really decide how to play DUST based on how many votes it will get me. I do what I feel is best for my alliance and the community at large. PFC gives a lot more players a chance to play than the rest of PC does, and that's why I support it. Also, note that while PFC in the past was a bit of a New Eden anomaly, being a "charity" of sorts, this new model is more akin to a renter system in EVE. In New Eden, generally, territory is held by one of two ways: Being strong enough to defend it yourself, or renting it from someone who is. By contract with N-F, PFC should become a beneficial arrangement for all parties involved. Just out of curiosity how is the contract you have with NF beneficial for the other landowners in PC? You do see the problem that might occur if a corp felt left out or was offended by some arrangement that has no benefit to them? You seem to be putting a large amount of this success in the hands of one very capable corp, while insulting a corp like Nyan San? I would hope better diplomatic relations can be achieved to give PFC a fighting chance.
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United The CORVOS 52	Posted - 2014.02.05 21:40:00 - [165] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Why is my question being ignored? I've asked three times now and no answer yet. Who is in charge of this wallet? Just say the name. It is ok, he won't bite you. No PFC CFO has been mandated yet, so there is no response to your question because its really early. As as side note, people saying there is corruption should go troll elsewhere. We are trying to do this transparently. If there would be corruption, we would not be talking about the subject this openly. Soraya, maybe your web site is a good idea, but I am more fan of a meeting room in dust.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1342	Posted - 2014.02.05 21:46:00 - [166] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Just out of curiosity how is the contract you have with NF beneficial for the other landowners in PC? Well, your alliance is no longer being expected to maintain it for free, for one. HowDidThatTaste wrote: You do see the problem that might occur if a corp felt left out or was offended by some arrangement that has no benefit to them? Corps who would earnestly like to participate in what PFC is should probably get in touch with us. In my personal "I have no actual vote" opinion, everyone should be able to participate in PFC. PFC being a low-cost environment to get great fights without starting a war or drama, and practice up skills as a team. Personally, I have no inherent issue with corps outside PFC having districts on PFC, but the issue has always been the limitation that PFC is 24 districts. If the new PFC model is financially viable, I see no reason PFC couldn't expand beyond the boundaries of Oddelulf itself so more parties could participate, and restrictions on who can and can't get a district could be more relaxed. Quote: You seem to be putting a large amount of this success in the hands of one very capable corp, while insulting a corp like Nyan San? I don't feel I insulted Nyain San. On the contrary, my point that to participate outside of PFC, you really need to be capable of defending from a threat like Nyain San, I am actually placing their corp as the gold standard of being an extremely significant threat. It is the amount of threat they pose, in fact, that disconnects them so heavily from what it's like to be one of the many corps that has few good alternatives besides being on PFC. I don't think a month on PFC will give new corps and players enough practice to take on Nyain San. How is that an insult to Nyain San? I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1342	Posted - 2014.02.05 21:48:00 - [167] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: Soraya, maybe your web site is a good idea, but I am more fan of a meeting room in dust. The issue is persistence. People who weren't in the voice channel at the time of our discussion the other day cannot hear what took place. There is no record. And it was also very disorganized. Forum threads offer permanent commentary, and it's easy to confirm what was said, and how it was said. Also, there's some things I would like to suggest which would be hard to do in the official forums, because they need to have their own section/forum area to maintain. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4495	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:02:00 - [168] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: Just out of curiosity how is the contract you have with NF beneficial for the other landowners in PC? Well, your alliance is no longer being expected to maintain it for free, for one. HowDidThatTaste wrote: You do see the problem that might occur if a corp felt left out or was offended by some arrangement that has no benefit to them? Corps who would earnestly like to participate in what PFC is should probably get in touch with us. In my personal "I have no actual vote" opinion, everyone should be able to participate in PFC. PFC being a low-cost environment to get great fights without starting a war or drama, and practice up skills as a team. Personally, I have no inherent issue with corps outside PFC having districts on PFC, but the issue has always been the limitation that PFC is 24 districts, and a desire to prioritize those that "need" it more. If the new PFC model is financially viable, I see no reason PFC couldn't expand beyond the boundaries of Oddelulf itself so more parties could participate, and restrictions on who can and can't get a district could be more relaxed. Quote: You seem to be putting a large amount of this success in the hands of one very capable corp, while insulting a corp like Nyan San? I don't feel I insulted Nyain San. On the contrary, my point that to participate outside of PFC, you really need to be capable of defending from a threat like Nyain San, I am actually placing their corp as the gold standard of being an extremely significant threat. It is the amount of threat they pose, in fact, that disconnects them so heavily from what it's like to be one of the many corps that has few good alternatives besides being on PFC. I don't think a month on PFC will give new corps and players enough practice to take on Nyain San. How is that an insult to Nyain San? As my alliance may not be running it for free. I also notice that this new arrangement is not paying us either. So all of the landowners in PC who have fought for their districts are going to be expected to leave you alone yet you only pay one corp for protection I believe this is where this arrangement starts to get sticky.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1342	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:07:00 - [169] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: [quote=Soraya Xel]As my alliance may not be running it for free. I also notice that this new arrangement is not paying us either. So all of the landowners in PC who have fought for their districts are going to be expected to leave you alone yet you only pay one corp for protection I believe this is where this arrangement starts to get sticky. My first thought, is that as far as I'm aware, N-F does indeed hire ringers. Perhaps those who don't participate in PFC should consider being a ringer to help defend it. And in that, get paid. Technically, there's nothing preventing other landowners from attacking PFC, I suppose. Except that N-F will be defending it. That being the reason N-F is getting paid. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4496	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:14:00 - [170] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: [quote=Soraya Xel]As my alliance may not be running it for free. I also notice that this new arrangement is not paying us either. So all of the landowners in PC who have fought for their districts are going to be expected to leave you alone yet you only pay one corp for protection I believe this is where this arrangement starts to get sticky. My first thought, is that as far as I'm aware, N-F does indeed hire ringers. Perhaps those who don't participate in PFC should consider being a ringer to help defend it. And in that, get paid. Technically, there's nothing preventing other landowners from attacking PFC, I suppose. Except that N-F will be defending it. That being the reason N-F is getting paid. This is where I see trouble. Imagine if a corp like AE or Nyan or FA STB decide they want to be paid? The reason PFC has lasted in some form has been by the graces,donations of the more powerful corps. Now that money is at stake it changes that dynamic.

Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1343	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:20:00 - [171] - Quote Let me ask this. The contract involves a lot of work and cost. You can earn equivalent or more net income than this contract brings in by holding districts yourself. You can make much more ISK than this contract offers with far less than 24 districts to defend. As AE and Nyain, for example, both easily have district holdings that dwarf this project, what is the likelihood they could offer a competing rate to N-F's that's worthwhile to them? I would pose that the above mentioned groups may not find the dynamic as valuable, as their existing means of district income is more profitable. Particularly if they have to compete on pricing with N-F's offer. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2754	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:20:00 - [172] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: But the top corps never had a thing like PFC they just took there losses in PC and learned from them they didn't have an thing like PFC back in the day, so all I'm saying is i think this council is a bad idea i feel like its just a way for corps to stay on PFC longer than they should be allowed to stay, like i said 1 to 2 months max on it then you need to go out in MH and try and get a district outside of PFC, you can be allowed back to PFC but you go to the bottom of the list, Alliances only get one district but if the time zone are greatly different two is acceptable but alliances on PFC can't pass district off between thats just not fair to other corps , one more thing i should add is no eve support unless agreed upon First off, the council is more the capable of setting their own rules and it's about time that they were to set the rules for themselves again. Notice the again part, because PFC was originally founded by the Imperfects and SyNergy as the CRONOS war came to an end. Honestly, we saw no point in wiping CRONOS completely from the map and we all understood that fresh blood in our organizations and PC corps as a whole needed a way to work their way into the system and to become PC ready. Training and friendly PC matches on PFC provided that. PFC originally consisted of corporations from all the major powers in the day and the threat of mutually assured destruction kept PFC in check. The rules were simple (no flipping and no using PFC as a staging ground) and were agreed to by the major powers which set the stage for what PFC has become today and serves as the foundation of the PFC council. This foundation of PFC members setting an agreeing to the rules is something I'm happy to see return. I would also like to thank Soraya for his continued work in providing the needed tools to ensure that the council will operate smoothly. I'm sure the larger powers in Molden Heath and smaller entities that feel as though they have something to prove will continue to threaten PFC and the community spirit of Dust that it represents. Negative-Feedback will continue to stand strong with interim PFC council and the contract that we have with PFC. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 394	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:52:00 - [173] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: But the top corps never had a thing like PFC they just took there losses in PC and learned from them they didn't have an thing like PFC back in the day, so all I'm saying is i think this council is a bad idea i feel like its just a way for corps to stay on PFC longer than they should be allowed to stay, like i said 1 to 2 months max on it then you need to go out in MH and try and get a district outside of PFC, you can be allowed back to PFC but you go to the bottom of the list, Alliances only get one district but if the time zone are greatly different two is acceptable but alliances on PFC can't pass district off between thats just not fair to other corps , one more thing i should add is no eve support unless agreed upon First off, the council is more the capable of setting their own rules and it's about time that they were to set the rules for themselves again. Notice the again part, because PFC was originally founded by the Imperfects and SyNergy as the CRONOS war came to an end. Honestly, we saw no point in wiping CRONOS completely from the map and we all understood that fresh blood in our organizations and PC corps as a whole needed a way to work their way into the system and to become PC ready. Training and friendly PC matches on PFC provided that. PFC originally consisted of corporations from all the major powers in the day and the threat of mutually assured destruction kept PFC in check. The rules were simple (no flipping and no using PFC as a staging ground) and were agreed to by the major powers which set the stage for what PFC has become today and serves as the foundation of the PFC council. This foundation of PFC members setting an agreeing to the rules is something I'm happy to see return. I would also like to thank Soraya for his continued work in providing the needed tools to ensure that the council will operate smoothly. I'm sure the larger powers in Molden Heath and smaller entities that feel as though they have something to prove will continue to threaten PFC and the community spirit of Dust that it represents. Negative-Feedback will continue to stand strong with interim PFC council and the contract that we have with PFC. Im just saying the problem with this council idea with the corps on PFC is that it will always be changing, a new council may set new rules that are different from old ones and just cause confusion
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1344	Posted - 2014.02.05 23:03:00 - [174] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Im just saying the problem with this council idea with the corps on PFC is that it will always be changing, a new council may set new rules that are different from old ones and just cause confusion Any such changes should be gradual, as it is extremely unlikely a large percentage of PFC will be replaced at the exact same time. Your own government's equivalents may be different, but we reelect like... most of our government every two to four years. All our laws, however, don't change every two to four years. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 394	Posted - 2014.02.06 00:22:00 - [175] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Im just saying the problem with this council idea with the corps on PFC is that it will always be changing, a new council may set new rules that are different from old ones and just cause confusion Any such changes should be gradual, as it is extremely unlikely a large percentage of PFC will be replaced at the exact same time. Your own government's equivalents may be different, but we reelect like... most of our government every two to four years. All our laws, however, don't change every two to four years. Real life government stuff has nothing to do with this is a video game so what you are saying makes no sense, you need to put a time limit on PFC sense its one planet 2 months at most before you should have to give up your district and try to take a district outside MH, you keep saying 14 practice PC aren't enough well how much is enough? BTW I'm from America once why are you bring real life government crap into a video game??
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United The CORVOS 52	Posted - 2014.02.06 00:45:00 - [176] - Quote Machine gun your point of view and suggestion will be taken into consideration and debated. If any of you have good suggestions feel free to post them, we will debate them and if found sound and intelligent we will will surely ratify them officially.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1350	Posted - 2014.02.06 00:46:00 - [177] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Real life government stuff has nothing to do with this is a video game so what you are saying makes no sense... BTW I'm from America once why are you bring real life government crap into a video game?? It's called an analogy. It's supposed to help illustrate to you what everyone else here already understands. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 746	Posted - 2014.02.06 00:57:00 - [178] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Too many rules are gonna make things complicating... I've listed almost all the issues that are there. Not very difficult and doesn't require so much of arguments. It is a very simple matter. All we need is people to agree on terms and go on about shooting things and playing the game/// Couldn't agree more, it's getting a little carried away now. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 746	Posted - 2014.02.06 00:59:00 - [179] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: you aren't understanding my point with the council adding and losing corps in a month or two, thats how long i think you should stay on PFC before you have to give up your spot. The important point: Nobody gives a crud what a Nyain San member thinks should be done on PFC. It doesn't affect you, and it's none of your business. Thank you. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 746	Posted - 2014.02.06 01:11:00 - [180] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: But the top corps never had a thing like PFC they just took there losses in PC and learned from them they didn't have an thing like PFC back in the day, so all I'm saying is i think this council is a bad idea i feel like its just a way for corps to stay on PFC longer than they should be allowed to stay, like i said 1 to 2 months max on it then you need to go out in MH and try and get a district outside of PFC, you can be allowed back to PFC but you go to the bottom of the list, Alliances only get one district but if the time zone are greatly different two is acceptable but alliances on PFC can't pass district off between thats just not fair to other corps , one more thing i should add is no eve support unless agreed upon First off, the council is more the capable of setting their own rules and it's about time that they were to set the rules for themselves again. Notice the again part, because PFC was originally founded by the Imperfects and SyNergy as the CRONOS war came to an end. Honestly, we saw no point in wiping CRONOS completely from the map and we all understood that fresh blood in our organizations and PC corps as a whole needed a way to work their way into the system and to become PC ready. Training and friendly PC matches on PFC provided that. PFC originally consisted of corporations from all the major powers in the day and the threat of mutually assured destruction kept PFC in check. The rules were simple (no flipping and no using PFC as a staging ground) and were agreed to by the major powers which set the stage for what PFC has become today and serves as the foundation of the PFC council. This foundation of PFC members setting an agreeing to the rules is something I'm happy to see return. I would also like to thank Soraya for his continued work in providing the needed tools to ensure that the council will operate smoothly. I'm sure the larger powers in Molden Heath and smaller entities that feel as though they have something to prove will continue to threaten PFC and the community spirit of Dust that it represents. Negative-Feedback will continue to stand strong with interim PFC council and the contract that we have with PFC. Im just saying the problem with this council idea with the corps on PFC is that it will always be changing, a new council may set new rules that are different from old ones and just cause confusion Does it cause confusion, or does it bring fresh ideas to light. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~

CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 747	Posted - 2014.02.06 01:21:00 - [181] - Quote There is way too much talk about the council's business going on in open forums, beginning to lead to arguments with some extremely powerful inquiring players. I am going to refrain from any futher comment at this time as we haven't had our first meeting yet, everything is just heresay at this point. I would advise any other council members to disengage argument at this time, because until we have a meeting and have concrete proposals and rules, we are all talking out our azzes and are only causing aggravation, not good politics. Stop all public jibber jabber before PFC becomes the breeding point for a small war... CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Tim Rapp Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 104	Posted - 2014.02.06 01:24:00 - [182] - Quote Any info about when that would be?
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 146	Posted - 2014.02.06 01:29:00 - [183] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: There is way too much talk about the council's business going on in open forums, beginning to lead to arguments with some extremely powerful inquiring players. I am going to refrain from any futher comment at this time as we haven't had our first meeting yet, everything is just heresay at this point. I would advise any other council members to disengage argument at this time, because until we have a meeting and have concrete proposals and rules, we are all talking out our azzes and are only causing aggravation, not good politics. Stop all public jibber jabber before PFC becomes the breeding point for a small war... Earned some respect from me O7 My theme song
Traky78 What The French 531	Posted - 2014.02.06 01:38:00 - [184] - Quote Hey ! Good idea man. Can you please add What The French Acad+¬mie, district 7.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1358	Posted - 2014.02.06 02:11:00 - [185] - Quote Traky78 wrote: Hey ! Good idea man. Can you please add What The French Acad+¬mie, district 7. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1797703#post1797703 I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Raylon Mortien Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 14	Posted - 2014.02.06 02:31:00 - [186] - Quote A mail recently forwarded forwarded to me is slowly proving what myself and fellow directors fear most about this council. These are the last two sentences of that mail. Kain Spero wrote: The weekly payment also ensures that PFC members have skin in the game and a vested interest to insure participation in the council. Members that don't pay into the weekly contract also become easy to identify as members that don't contribute to PFC and are probably better suited to a location in Molden Heath outside of Planet Fight Club Words like these may have hints of extortion within them. If we choose to not participate with this council and remain on PFC under the rules and regulations in which we entered PFC we will be removed. If we do not pay 10 mil a week to NF we will be removed for "not participating" in PFC. To place PFC under the strict rule of one of its members and for them to use a third party to enforce their rules seems out of place and contrary to the goal of PFC. This is not a money pot it is a training ground. To say that corporations not paying are not participating is absurd. I.E. our district remains around 200-350 clones we are never full and constantly sending out attacks and getting attacked. We are training and grinding out as much as possible to get ready for our move. We do not plan on staying here long and don't intend on taking time to allow two or three clone generations just to pay 10 mil a week to not lose our district. that time and money could be better used to make our time in Oddeluf short and sweet so another may take our place and begin the slow trudge to being PC ready. "Sir, we are surrounded!" "Excellent, now we can attack in any direction!"
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4497	Posted - 2014.02.06 02:47:00 - [187] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Let me ask this. The contract involves a lot of work and cost. You can earn equivalent or more net income than this contract brings in by holding districts yourself. You can make much more ISK than this contract offers with far less than 24 districts to defend. As AE and Nyain, for example, both easily have district holdings that dwarf this project, what is the likelihood they could offer a competing rate to N-F's that's worthwhile to them? I would pose that the above mentioned groups may not find the dynamic as valuable, as their existing means of district income is more profitable. Particularly if they have to compete on pricing with N-F's offer. Isk is isk. The real question is why does one corp get paid to defend a project that up to this point has been charity driven. To me it seems like it is setting up a conflict that may be more detrimental to the concept of PFC, almost a challenge to see who will control the PFC revenue protection fund. Remember corps are looking for fights and I can easily see this as a challenge to see who can control this revenue stream even for little isk that's not what's really at stake. I truly want PFC to work and know N-F will do a great job with the day to day operation. However just the thought of some corp making a profit off of PFC (as great a business model as it is !) Corps are going to want to fight over that control, and you have to ask yourself is that what PFC needs? If so then PFC members may have to pay more than just N-F for protection do you see where this leads? Insert meta game here... pay nobody or pay us all
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 209	Posted - 2014.02.06 02:48:00 - [188] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: But the top corps never had a thing like PFC they just took there losses in PC and learned from them they didn't have an thing like PFC back in the day, so all I'm saying is i think this council is a bad idea i feel like its just a way for corps to stay on PFC longer than they should be allowed to stay, like i said 1 to 2 months max on it then you need to go out in MH and try and get a district outside of PFC, you can be allowed back to PFC but you go to the bottom of the list, Alliances only get one district but if the time zone are greatly different two is acceptable but alliances on PFC can't pass district off between thats just not fair to other corps , one more thing i should add is no eve support unless agreed upon First off, the council is more the capable of setting their own rules and it's about time that they were to set the rules for themselves again. Notice the again part, because PFC was originally founded by the Imperfects and SyNergy as the CRONOS war came to an end. Honestly, we saw no point in wiping CRONOS completely from the map and we all understood that fresh blood in our organizations and PC corps as a whole needed a way to work their way into the system and to become PC ready. Training and friendly PC matches on PFC provided that. PFC originally consisted of corporations from all the major powers in the day and the threat of mutually assured destruction kept PFC in check. The rules were simple (no flipping and no using PFC as a staging ground) and were agreed to by the major powers which set the stage for what PFC has become today and serves as the foundation of the PFC council. This foundation of PFC members setting an agreeing to the rules is something I'm happy to see return. I would also like to thank Soraya for his continued work in providing the needed tools to ensure that the council will operate smoothly. I'm sure the larger powers in Molden Heath and smaller entities that feel as though they have something to prove will continue to threaten PFC and the community spirit of Dust that it represents. Negative-Feedback will continue to stand strong with interim PFC council and the contract that we have with PFC. and you will make how much off of this endeavor? Since everything is transparent. I know you are not doing this for nothing
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1364	Posted - 2014.02.06 02:53:00 - [189] - Quote On most counts, roughly half of PFC was being used as intended at any given time. The work of the Council should ensure that we no longer see issues where our guys don't know who to fight with their PFC district because there's nobody to fight. The protection contract, paid in by all members, will allow us to be well protected from the variety of people who have made it clear they think PFC should die. Realistically, HowDidThatTaste, I'd suggest that once CCP fixes their stuff, PC landowners will be far too busy actually defending the districts they'd been holding without risk via district locking to irritate PFC. And I'd suggest going after PFC corps remains a "**** move", that should earn someone some manner of community shame for engaging in. Not that there are many people left who have spotless records in that manner. ;) I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Tim Rapp Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 104	Posted - 2014.02.06 02:57:00 - [190] - Quote I think we should have all the pc corps fight over control over insurance.... it'd make cost go down and people can choose who they want to help them out in the case of a real attack

HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4498	Posted - 2014.02.06 03:02:00 - [191] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: On most counts, roughly half of PFC was being used as intended at any given time. The work of the Council should ensure that we no longer see issues where our guys don't know who to fight with their PFC district because there's nobody to fight. The protection contract, paid in by all members, will allow us to be well protected from the variety of people who have made it clear they think PFC should die. Realistically, HowDidThatTaste, I'd suggest that once CCP fixes their stuff, PC landowners will be far too busy actually defending the districts they'd been holding without risk via district locking to irritate PFC. And I'd suggest going after PFC corps remains a "**** move", that should earn someone some manner of community shame for engaging in. Not that there are many people left who have spotless records in that manner. ;) And then I would say you do not need to pay a corp for protection and PFC stay as a charity, respected by most larger corps like it has up to this point. Sorya I respect what you are doing and think it is a sound endevour and think you are mostly on the right track. But when money is being made off a planet in molden heath corps will fight for that revenue stream no matter how small it may be. And guess what might be destroyed in the process the concept of a hands off planet left to new corps to get acclimated to PC.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1365	Posted - 2014.02.06 03:10:00 - [192] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: And then I would say you do not need to pay a corp for protection and PFC stay as a charity, respected by most larger corps like it has up to this point. On the contrary, most of the posts from members of those larger corps indicate a distinct lack of respect for PFC, from everything I have seen. And I actually think there might be some merit to a maintenance cost actually encouraging people to only remain on PFC as long as they are getting value (i.e. fights) out of it. My recommendation to CCP for PC as a whole, in fact, would be to make maintaining districts cost money, so people claim what they need, rather than trying to take and hold the entirety of MH. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4498	Posted - 2014.02.06 03:18:00 - [193] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: And then I would say you do not need to pay a corp for protection and PFC stay as a charity, respected by most larger corps like it has up to this point. On the contrary, most of the posts from members of those larger corps indicate a distinct lack of respect for PFC, from everything I have seen. And I actually think there might be some merit to a maintenance cost actually encouraging people to only remain on PFC as long as they are getting value (i.e. fights) out of it. My recommendation to CCP for PC as a whole, in fact, would be to make maintaining districts cost money, so people claim what they need, rather than trying to take and hold the entirety of MH. Oh I agree I see the merit of a maintence fee to encourage the proper use of PFC, but as it has been left to the most powerful corps up to this point to regulate at their discretion PFC it would infer that that corp will be the one that collects the PFC protection fund. Which means it will encourage corps to fight for that planets protection fund revenue stream, and guess what districts they will be using for those fights?
Raylon Mortien Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 16	Posted - 2014.02.06 05:47:00 - [194] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: And then I would say you do not need to pay a corp for protection and PFC stay as a charity, respected by most larger corps like it has up to this point. On the contrary, most of the posts from members of those larger corps indicate a distinct lack of respect for PFC, from everything I have seen. And I actually think there might be some merit to a maintenance cost actually encouraging people to only remain on PFC as long as they are getting value (i.e. fights) out of it. My recommendation to CCP for PC as a whole, in fact, would be to make maintaining districts cost money, so people claim what they need, rather than trying to take and hold the entirety of MH. Oh I agree I see the merit of a maintenance fee to encourage the proper use of PFC, but as it has been left to the most powerful corps up to this point to regulate at their discretion PFC it would infer that that corp will be the one that collects the PFC protection fund. Which means it will encourage corps to fight for that planets protection fund revenue stream, and guess what districts they will be using for those fights? The problem I see is now you're encouraging PFC land holders to generate money with their district. This is contrary to before when making money in Oddeluf was a no-no. A corporation like mine and my fellow directors would feel better about joining this council if we weren't forced to lock our district up two to three times a week just to pay the rent. Our cargo hub maintains a low clone count due to the fact that we are constantly attacking and defending (using our district as it was intended to be used). I may not speak exactly for our(EB) board of directors but i can say the general feeling is that this is going to detract from our training and extend our time in Oddeluf. If we we're to get into trouble and see the possibility of our district flipping we would like the chance to bring in our alliance first. In the case that our alliance failed we would then fall back on hiring out as a final option. At no point would we want to be forced to pay someone insurance to protect our district if it is never in danger of being flipped. I remain with the idea that Oddeluf is a training ground and for new corporation to rise up and join the fight in Molden Heath. I do not support the extortion of said corporations for "protection." I finish with one last thing... to those offering the "protection" for money, if we refuse am I going to wake up with a horse head in my quarters? "Sir, we are surrounded!" "Excellent, now we can attack in any direction!"
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 209	Posted - 2014.02.06 05:52:00 - [195] - Quote Burn PFC to the ground and use the ashes for something useful.
Ghostt Shadoww The Unit 514 28	Posted - 2014.02.06 06:19:00 - [196] - Quote Common- Sense wrote: Absolutely brilliant strategy by Negative Feedback. My hats are off to you gentleman. You have put in place a system that generates political goodwill towards your alliance, economic gain in the form of willingly paid weekly GÇ£protectionGÇ¥ money and likely also additional funds for initial placement, future allies and resources, while also creating little to no real risk for yourselves. If corps should decide they donGÇÖt need protection IGÇÖm sure itGÇÖs easy enough to find a third party to remind them of its benefits. Even better you have given those paying the GÇ£protectionGÇ¥ money the illusion that they have real control and a say in matters by using this council set-up while also recruiting useful idiots to do a majority of the legwork and propaganda such as Soraya Xel who does it believing that showing leadership in this is a way to get himself elected to CPM1 instead of the reality which is playing that fool and selling all of you in to slavery. Well played NF, Well played. - O7 Does anyone else not notice what this guy said....lmao....wow...well said sir o7 Yeah AE noticed, public disorder noticed. Not to mention i been saying all along who ever controls pfc its jist another way to make money ....period Look everyone im having the next great big war against AE. Read my post here in the war room...and well this is why everything is locked in molden heath and will stay locked now that me and my coalition have declared war and this is the last time anyone can lock a district cuz in march that goes bye bye And well sorry but these districts are not locked and i have a war coming in march Negative feedback or whoever is running this...how you going to get me out of pfc when i attack and lock them everyday till the new update comes in march and then no one can lock there districts hince the war im about to have. Lmao...150 mill 10 mill a week. Wow guess you all waisted your money. I have a war to fund and people to **** off. If I dont take it they will. I can tell by there post in here. So im doing the honarable thing. PFC im coming This is war time, politics and scams and everything else is out the window Yo wardog I see you homie...lets go take pfc dawg GRRRRR Ruff Ruff Ruff AAAWWWOOOLLLLLL (thats me howling lmao im so stupid) Hit me up baby im at (unit 514.) War dog huh....yeah i heard about you isnt gloves back...get at me. I have a war brewin
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 382	Posted - 2014.02.06 06:24:00 - [197] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: On the contrary, most of the posts from members of those larger corps indicate a distinct lack of respect for PFC, from everything I have seen. bigolenuts wrote: Burn PFC to the ground and use the ashes for something useful. Many AE members and past directors(maybe even current) have expressed similar opinions. Fact is that PFC was most successful when we were overseeing it. It will be more successful when PFC is running PFC. The proposed structure will help solve many of the problems associated with the past iterations. 1. It is a lot of work to run PFC. By splitting the enforcement and rulemaking roles, it will make it easier on all parties and they will be more apt to follow through on their duties. Members will be more likely to take part in a system that they control. 2. PFC has been an ISK farming ground since its inception. By having a fee associated with occupying the space, it will make members less likely to fall into that trap. 3. More democratic rule with less threat of force and better protection. The rules will finally be made by those playing the matches. And NF WILL be there to enforce them and protect them. Why NF? Our record is unblemished as far as contract fulfillment goes. We may have lost battles when not given proper resources(Clone pack attacks against top teams), but we always show up and we always do what we say we will. Cubs and Kane are trustworthy. If they say they are going to do something, they do it. Both of them have taken an active interest in promoting small independent corporations in the past. A whole area of MH was dedicated to indie corps when EoN. was on top. Kane has been moving corps into PC throughout it's existence. To protect Fight Club, you have to be able to compete with all teams. NF can do that. There are only 2 or 3 alternatives, none of which seem to be stepping into the role besides AE. And I ask you: What has AE ever done for the small guy?
Ghostt Shadoww The Unit 514 28	Posted - 2014.02.06 06:32:00 - [198] - Quote My bad...one more thing....negative feedback...i mean no disrespect. Im only saying this is because I dont want to disrespect cubs and team players is negative feed back...im trying to prove to cubs i can do this and to join us with a common enemy. Just understand this is war and if you Sir cubs was at war you wouod do the same im sure. Dont worry ill give pfc back to the people after the war...if pfc should even stay around i honestly dont see the need. Go to pc and get your @ss beat and learn the hard way start off with a small corp. All pfc does is just a cash crop for someone for that i say just keep it open in pc...see what happens after thr war... Anyways Cubs...this is war bud ...dont know if u involved still in pfc but i hve a war brewin bud.... o7 With that said...im coming oddelof, my bad if i splled it wrong :-)
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 209	Posted - 2014.02.06 07:06:00 - [199] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: On the contrary, most of the posts from members of those larger corps indicate a distinct lack of respect for PFC, from everything I have seen. bigolenuts wrote: Burn PFC to the ground and use the ashes for something useful. Many AE members and past directors(maybe even current) have expressed similar opinions. Fact is that PFC was most successful when we were overseeing it. It will be more successful when PFC is running PFC. The proposed structure will help solve many of the problems associated with the past iterations. 1. It is a lot of work to run PFC. By splitting the enforcement and rulemaking roles, it will make it easier on all parties and they will be more apt to follow through on their duties. Members will be more likely to take part in a system that they control. 2. PFC has been an ISK farming ground since its inception. By having a fee associated with occupying the space, it will make members less likely to fall into that trap. 3. More democratic rule with less threat of force and better protection. The rules will finally be made by those playing the matches. And NF WILL be there to enforce them and protect them. Why NF? Our record is unblemished as far as contract fulfillment goes. We may have lost battles when not given proper resources(Clone pack attacks against top teams), but we always show up and we always do what we say we will. Cubs and Kane are trustworthy. If they say they are going to do something, they do it. Both of them have taken an active interest in promoting small independent corporations in the past. A whole area of MH was dedicated to indie corps when EoN. was on top. Kane has been moving corps into PC throughout it's existence. To protect Fight Club, you have to be able to compete with all teams. NF can do that. There are only 2 or 3 alternatives, none of which seem to be stepping into the role besides AE. And I ask you: What has AE ever done for the small guy? Just another way for them to get paid. Burn it now..
Ghostt Shadoww The Unit 514 28	Posted - 2014.02.06 07:14:00 - [200] - Quote See what i mean. You think AE not going tobtake pfc with this war coming. Race you to it...last one there is a rotten egg Freakin AE....Join me Cubs $h/t man i got cookies man or maybe u want a samich i hear u like samiches...lol...i wonder if u even know what im talkimg about lol Join us Sir Cubs...You can still beon top homie i just want to make history...get at me bro $hit going down son :-)

Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1370	Posted - 2014.02.06 07:37:00 - [201] - Quote Ghostt Shadoww wrote: My bad...one more thing....negative feedback...i mean no disrespect. Im only saying this is because I dont want to disrespect cubs and team players is negative feed back...im trying to prove to cubs i can do this and to join us with a common enemy. Just understand this is war and if you Sir cubs was at war you wouod do the same im sure. Dont worry ill give pfc back to the people after the war...if pfc should even stay around i honestly dont see the need. Go to pc and get your @ss beat and learn the hard way start off with a small corp. All pfc does is just a cash crop for someone for that i say just keep it open in pc...see what happens after thr war... Anyways Cubs...this is war bud ...dont know if u involved still in pfc but i hve a war brewin bud.... o7 With that said...im coming oddelof, my bad if i splled it wrong :-) Dude. You're adorable. But nobody is afraid of you. If you attack PFC, N-F will do their job. They are very good at it, and Spero has a very good track record when it comes to his word meaning something. So it seems perhaps a bit... poor decision-making on your part to both claim you intend to take PFC, and want them to ally with you. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2581	Posted - 2014.02.06 07:56:00 - [202] - Quote The district we bought was under attack and we couldn't take it, will check now again. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Ghostt Shadoww The Unit 514 28	Posted - 2014.02.06 08:42:00 - [203] - Quote You not affraid. Thats awesome wasnt trying to scare you. And negative cant do anything no one can. Its called lock the district. So there is no way for you to get it back im going to keep them all locked till the war which obviously i wont be abe to lock it ever again inckuding everyone else. So sorry your wrong. Negative feedback cant do anything to a district that os locked forever ...have you looked at thevstar map latley...everyone is locked except pfc. You think anyone is going to go online with a war comng.... Listen im not scaring no one. Im taking the districts before AE does and im locking them till war time (new update) and nobone can do anything about so es get real shut up And yes im gking to take the districts and ask cubs to join me cuz im aking them for war reasons. He smart and a vet he knows how this all works...see you soon
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1710	Posted - 2014.02.06 08:50:00 - [204] - Quote Ghostt Shadoww wrote: You not affraid. Thats awesome wasnt trying to scare you. And negative cant do anything no one can. Its called lock the district. So there is no way for you to get it back im going to keep them all locked till the war which obviously i wont be abe to lock it ever again inckuding everyone else. So sorry your wrong. Negative feedback cant do anything to a district that os locked forever ...have you looked at thevstar map latley...everyone is locked except pfc. You think anyone is going to go online with a war comng.... Listen im not scaring no one. Im taking the districts before AE does and im locking them till war time (new update) and nobone can do anything about so es get real shut up And yes im gking to take the districts and ask cubs to join me cuz im aking them for war reasons. He smart and a vet he knows how this all works...see you soon Sorry if I have got the wrong end of the stick but are you claiming in preparation for a war when PC 2.0/ district locking fix arrives you plan on taking all districts on PFC and locking them? Is this an ALT? Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
Ghostt Shadoww The Unit 514 28	Posted - 2014.02.06 09:02:00 - [205] - Quote Your a little late bud. On the next update is when you will never ever be able to lock districts again. Not 2.0 but now in march...read my war room post about attacking AE it will make more sense for you
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1710	Posted - 2014.02.06 09:12:00 - [206] - Quote Ghostt Shadoww wrote: Your a little late bud. On the next update is when you will never ever be able to lock districts again. Not 2.0 but now in march...read my war room post about attacking AE it will make more sense for you I have read it and well, lol is all I say to that. Also you state that district locking is fixed in March yet do not provide a source the last comment I saw from CCP on the matter is that they are aware of it and are working on it not that it was fixed in March if you have seen other wise please share, the end of district locking cant come soon enough. However you try and stir up hate towards AE in one thread then threaten to take over PFC and lock it in another thread shutting down PFC will make enemies for you not friends all the corps on there certainly won't join your "coalition" and you will also make and enemy of NF as well which will not be good for your war effort. I can understand trying to get a war going it would provide a bit of excitement but trying to do it by locking the one unlocked area of MH is just stupid it will just make you look bigger villains than those you wish to destroy. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
Ghostt Shadoww The Unit 514 28	Posted - 2014.02.06 09:38:00 - [207] - Quote Everything is locked everywhere and is going to stay that way. Incase you havent noticed all the big corps have been looking at pfc as another source of income. So before they take it i need to. I dont expect you to understand you are a gamer not ex military.This is sstrategy and smart since a war is coming. And its pfc why would I want a corp in pfc to join the coalition. Look bud like i told you in the other thread if i dont they will. Open your eyes 1.8 is the biggest update in dust. And its going to change a lot of things around especially for the pc world. I think its time for pfc to go away for awhile. You want to train then go que sync a factional. And stop getting rich off of pfc..all us big dogs know its a cash crop. Go somewhere else with that mess. Pfc needs to be open to pc again practice in factioal pfc is over
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1711	Posted - 2014.02.06 10:11:00 - [208] - Quote Ghostt Shadoww wrote: Everything is locked everywhere and is going to stay that way. Incase you havent noticed all the big corps have been looking at pfc as another source of income. So before they take it i need to. I dont expect you to understand you are a gamer not ex military.This is sstrategy and smart since a war is coming. And its pfc why would I want a corp in pfc to join the coalition. Look bud like i told you in the other thread if i dont they will. Open your eyes 1.8 is the biggest update in dust. And its going to change a lot of things around especially for the pc world. I think its time for pfc to go away for awhile. You want to train then go que sync a factional. And stop getting rich off of pfc..all us big dogs know its a cash crop. Go somewhere else with that mess. Pfc needs to be open to pc again practice in factioal pfc is over Ah right so no proof of your claim that district locking fixing is coming in 1.8, assurances that the big corps are going to take over PFC so you will do it first, claiming to be smarter than the average gamer just because you were in the military I know quite allot of people currently in or ex and some are smart some are as dumb as a bag of hammers just because you were in it does not mean you will win every game that requires military thinking. The unit 514 are big dogs? never heard of you to be honest so good luck against AE unless this is an alt in which case man up. On not wanting PFC corps, you are wanting to attack AE with overwhelming numbers to do this you need large numbers, to achieve these large numbers you act arrogant and alienate a large portion of the community good tactics there buddy. Also consider this if these big corps are planning on taking over PFC as you claim they would have done so already I highly doubt any teams on PFC could have stopped them if they wanted to take it. Basically you want to take PFC so you can farm ISK while you still can and are trying to justify it by saying its for a war effort. You may also wish to consider this, the element of surprise your "war effort" has already lost this with your claims on taking PFC and broadcasting your intention to attack your enemies weeks in advance give them plenty of time to get prepared for you this is not smart strategy intimidation will work on a weaker foe trying it on an enemy power fuller than you just gives then time to get ready and/or mock you. Just admit you want to farm ISK while you still can and we will at least salute your honesty not mock you fabled war. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 751	Posted - 2014.02.06 12:37:00 - [209] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: On the contrary, most of the posts from members of those larger corps indicate a distinct lack of respect for PFC, from everything I have seen. bigolenuts wrote: Burn PFC to the ground and use the ashes for something useful. Many AE members and past directors(maybe even current) have expressed similar opinions. Fact is that PFC was most successful when we were overseeing it. It will be more successful when PFC is running PFC. The proposed structure will help solve many of the problems associated with the past iterations. 1. It is a lot of work to run PFC. By splitting the enforcement and rulemaking roles, it will make it easier on all parties and they will be more apt to follow through on their duties. Members will be more likely to take part in a system that they control. 2. PFC has been an ISK farming ground since its inception. By having a fee associated with occupying the space, it will make members less likely to fall into that trap. 3. More democratic rule with less threat of force and better protection. The rules will finally be made by those playing the matches. And NF WILL be there to enforce them and protect them. Why NF? Our record is unblemished as far as contract fulfillment goes. We may have lost battles when not given proper resources(Clone pack attacks against top teams), but we always show up and we always do what we say we will. Cubs and Kane are trustworthy. If they say they are going to do something, they do it. Both of them have taken an active interest in promoting small independent corporations in the past. A whole area of MH was dedicated to indie corps when EoN. was on top. Kane has been moving corps into PC throughout it's existence. To protect Fight Club, you have to be able to compete with all teams. NF can do that. There are only 2 or 3 alternatives, none of which seem to be stepping into the role besides AE. And I ask you: What has AE ever done for the small guy? To answer the question "what has AE ever done for the small guy?" In DF's early days they helped us out A LOT. I still have friends there and will always be greatful for the help they gave us when we needed it, and they asked for nothing in return. o7... CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Common- Sense Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 8	Posted - 2014.02.06 14:38:00 - [210] - Quote Quote: Kain Spero wrote: I would also like to thank Soraya for his continued work in providing the needed tools to ensure that the council will operate smoothly. I'm sure the larger powers in Molden Heath and smaller entities that feel as though they have something to prove will continue to threaten PFC and the community spirit of Dust that it represents. Negative-Feedback will continue to stand strong with interim PFC council and the contract that we have with PFC. Quote: Kain Spero wrote: The weekly payment also ensures that PFC members have skin in the game and a vested interest to insure participation in the council. Members that don't pay into the weekly contract also become easy to identify as members that don't contribute to PFC and are probably better suited to a location in Molden Heath outside of Planet Fight Club Don't say I did not warn you. Quote: Common- Sense wrote: Even better you have given those paying the GÇ£protectionGÇ¥ money the illusion that they have real control and a say in matters by using this council set-up while also recruiting useful idiots to do a majority of the legwork and propaganda such as Soraya Xel who does it believing that showing leadership in this is a way to get himself elected to CPM1 instead of the reality which is playing that fool and selling all of you in to slavery. Like I said... well played NF. Please continue with the "It is for the community!" story line. I'm pretty sure they all believe you.

HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4501	Posted - 2014.02.06 14:41:00 - [211] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: On the contrary, most of the posts from members of those larger corps indicate a distinct lack of respect for PFC, from everything I have seen. bigolenuts wrote: Burn PFC to the ground and use the ashes for something useful. Many AE members and past directors(maybe even current) have expressed similar opinions. Fact is that PFC was most successful when we were overseeing it. It will be more successful when PFC is running PFC. The proposed structure will help solve many of the problems associated with the past iterations. 1. It is a lot of work to run PFC. By splitting the enforcement and rulemaking roles, it will make it easier on all parties and they will be more apt to follow through on their duties. Members will be more likely to take part in a system that they control. 2. PFC has been an ISK farming ground since its inception. By having a fee associated with occupying the space, it will make members less likely to fall into that trap. 3. More democratic rule with less threat of force and better protection. The rules will finally be made by those playing the matches. And NF WILL be there to enforce them and protect them. Why NF? Our record is unblemished as far as contract fulfillment goes. We may have lost battles when not given proper resources(Clone pack attacks against top teams), but we always show up and we always do what we say we will. Cubs and Kane are trustworthy. If they say they are going to do something, they do it. Both of them have taken an active interest in promoting small independent corporations in the past. A whole area of MH was dedicated to indie corps when EoN. was on top. Kane has been moving corps into PC throughout it's existence. To protect Fight Club, you have to be able to compete with all teams. NF can do that. There are only 2 or 3 alternatives, none of which seem to be stepping into the role besides AE. And I ask you: What has AE ever done for the small guy? I can see the Meta game has arrived is this the part where you try to win the hearts and minds of the little guys cause? If PFC becomes a revenue stream for any corp then it is no longer the idealistic cause that allowed new corps a chance to learn to fight in PC. It will no become an asset to the corp who controls it and frankly in my personal opinion is open game. I like the new business model and can get behind the concept of selling districts on planets for a so called practice arena But let's face it this is no longer the altruistic PFC where the big corps sat back and let them go at it unattested. If this becomes a business model which it sounds like it already has then PFC is over and now it is a profit making business and should be treated as such. I would say again I think PFC should continue without any corp making a business model out of it for profit. In my opinion if this happens then who ever wants to control it should be considered a target for acquisition , and the PFC districts become the battle ground for that control, I hope the new council considering this understands this. Don't get me wrong I also like the idea that there will now be a reason to fight for control of a planet so if it does work as a business model it will bring some interesting dynamics to PC. But the hands off approach rom bigger corps is over because it is now a profit making planet in molden heath.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1054	Posted - 2014.02.06 14:51:00 - [212] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ghostt Shadoww wrote: My bad...one more thing....negative feedback...i mean no disrespect. Im only saying this is because I dont want to disrespect cubs and team players is negative feed back...im trying to prove to cubs i can do this and to join us with a common enemy. Just understand this is war and if you Sir cubs was at war you wouod do the same im sure. Dont worry ill give pfc back to the people after the war...if pfc should even stay around i honestly dont see the need. Go to pc and get your @ss beat and learn the hard way start off with a small corp. All pfc does is just a cash crop for someone for that i say just keep it open in pc...see what happens after thr war... Anyways Cubs...this is war bud ...dont know if u involved still in pfc but i hve a war brewin bud.... o7 With that said...im coming oddelof, my bad if i splled it wrong :-) Dude. You're adorable. But nobody is afraid of you. If you attack PFC, N-F will do their job. They are very good at it, and Spero has a very good track record when it comes to his word meaning something. So it seems perhaps a bit... poor decision-making on your part to both claim you intend to take PFC, and want them to ally with you. So he wan't to take over our Training Arena by Force ?! Everyone on that Planet would have some pop-corn ?!
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1054	Posted - 2014.02.06 14:53:00 - [213] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Few things that We have learned since the beginning of PFC: - Fights are for training purposes only. Not to Flip the district. Which means both parties involved can discuss the terms of the battle prior to the battle if they chose to, or go all out with no gear restrictions... - Ringers are frowned upon. If you can't field a team of full 16 Corp members, then you shouldn't be on the PFC. But sometimes there are issues with attendance, Hard freeze and so on... In those cases, Corps used to match number of players to have an even fight. (But its Rare, Everyone loves stomping)... - Alliance members are not considered as Ringers. It's for training, so the District owner may choose to bring in alliance members for training purposes. - So far we have only Had "GGs" After a PFC match. Not a single case of trash talking. Let's keep it civil - There were no Set council... It was more like whoever had the best players at that time... No We are working on building one.. Hopefully we can keep this politics free and Focus solely on PFC... Lets keep our personal Agendas aside. Let's not make anyone the king of the ring and create unnecessary tension. - We did not have any enforcers, hence all the drama surrounding PFC. . . But now NF is willing to take that contract. They are no doubt a Successful and trustworthy Contractor. But 10 mil a week is a bit steep IMO... But hopefully we can discuss that and lower it a bit. Corps training for PC could use the extra Mil or two ISK... No one has to hold the ISK. Corps can personally make arrangements with NF for payment. This would help avoid any confusion regarding Weekly payment. If a CORP forgets or fails to pay, that'd be up to the CORP... No one can blame the other person for it... - Tenure in PFC should be discussed. Not forced upon any Corp. If a Corp feels that they have a Fully PC ready team, than they can discuss their departure. Sell it to someone else or do whatever transaction they feel comfortable with. Choose the next successor from a proper waiting list. Call in a Vote for a waiting list. Not like "My friend wants in" even though that friend has 10 players in the Corp. - No intentional locking of PFC district - NO Using PFC district clones for PC purposes Since Everyone on this Post went Off topic. Let me Re-post this again please. Please put your constructive ideas here. Let's Try to make this better. Also Create a Separate Post and Call it PFC Argument or e-peen stroking or w/e
Cubs Secretary 5	Posted - 2014.02.06 15:29:00 - [214] - Quote Ghostt Shadoww wrote: Does anyone else not notice what this guy said....lmao....wow...well said sir o7 Yeah AE noticed, public disorder noticed. Not to mention i been saying all along who ever controls pfc its jist another way to make money ....period Look everyone im having the next great big war against AE. Read my post here in the war room...and well this is why everything is locked in molden heath and will stay locked now that me and my coalition have declared war and this is the last time anyone can lock a district cuz in march that goes bye bye And well sorry but these districts are not locked and i have a war coming in march Negative feedback or whoever is running this...how you going to get me out of pfc when i attack and lock them everyday till the new update comes in march and then no one can lock there districts hince the war im about to have. Lmao...150 mill 10 mill a week. Wow guess you all waisted your money. I have a war to fund and people to pissoff. If I dont take it they will. I can tell by there post in here. So im doing the honarable thing. PFC im coming This is war time, politics and scams and everything else is out the window Yo wardog I see you homie...lets go take pfc dawg GRRRRR Ruff Ruff Ruff AAAWWWOOOLLLLLL (thats me howling lmao im so stupid) Hit me up baby im at (unit 514.) War dog huh....yeah i heard about you isnt gloves back...get at me. I have a war brewin Prepared statement from the Desk of 'Sir Cubs' as this gentleman put it: Thank you for your candid responses and incredible walls of text you continue to send to my ingame mailbox. I apologize I do not respond to you within SECONDS of you sending, but unfortunately my task of running a TEAM in matches throughout Molden Heath, dealing with catwalk campers, tankspammers, and coordinated efforts by corps not very strong (hats off ToP, seriously we do appreciate the strong effort, impressed many), that I do not reply to the rather large number of mails often in a timely fashion. This is why I've hired a secretary again to filter the nonsense, and prioritize my own correspondence. Now, in regard to whats going on here. We got people from within PFC and from outside that have less than any business commenting, but it is a public forum and some (much respect HDTT) bring forth good points, although knowingly stirring the pot (meta prof II ). The simple fact is this. NF has taken on the task of being the muscle, and enforcing the YET TO BE DETERMINED RULES of Fight Club. NF is a mercenary organization. Please feel free to ask ANY player whom has participated in a match I have been hired to be in. EVERY player is compensated as a merc, for EACH match. Insinuating that NF is going to profit from this venture is silly to say the least. There are always going to be people that want to 'Burn PFC' or cause trouble, in some way try to sabotage the entire PFC concept. the maintenance fee is what allows member corps to continue their training without the worry of losing that priviledge. This also allows NF to 'subcontract' when deemed necessary to ensure smooth operations on the planet, once again at no additional cost to member corps. And ghost on a personal note, you trying to get my attention and then dropping my name in threads insinuating that we have had ANY form of discussion regarding, well, ANYTHING is quite laughable. I appreciate your respectful tone, but claiming that you and I and whomever your 'coalition' is have had ANY form of contact/conversation/seriouslyIdontknowyou/interaction is just silly. Anyway, this conversation is a lot of hot air and NONE of it pertains to current PFC members signing up for the council so things can proceed. so please, by all means, skill up your nanos and remotes and get on a catwalk and camp for a loss. Pad your K/D while we share cooking recipes during matches. and lastly, member corps do the paperwork to get on the council and be involved. you have the opportunity to have a voice, that voice is NOT here in public. HERE you are just made to be the fool. --------------------------------end transmission--------------------- My apologies for the end, He sent me out for coffee and snuck that in and I didn't notice in time. Plus I have 2 kids to cloth and feed and he told me if a post is edited I will be fired I love my children too much Please take a number your call will be answered shortly. Sorry for the inconvenience
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2220	Posted - 2014.02.06 15:46:00 - [215] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Few things that We have learned since the beginning of PFC: - Fights are for training purposes only. Not to Flip the district. Which means both parties involved can discuss the terms of the battle prior to the battle if they chose to, or go all out with no gear restrictions... - Ringers are frowned upon. If you can't field a team of full 16 Corp members, then you shouldn't be on the PFC. But sometimes there are issues with attendance, Hard freeze and so on... In those cases, Corps used to match number of players to have an even fight. (But its Rare, Everyone loves stomping)... - Alliance members are not considered as Ringers. It's for training, so the District owner may choose to bring in alliance members for training purposes. - So far we have only Had "GGs" After a PFC match. Not a single case of trash talking. Let's keep it civil - There were no Set council... It was more like whoever had the best players at that time... No We are working on building one.. Hopefully we can keep this politics free and Focus solely on PFC... Lets keep our personal Agendas aside. Let's not make anyone the king of the ring and create unnecessary tension. - We did not have any enforcers, hence all the drama surrounding PFC. . . But now NF is willing to take that contract. They are no doubt a Successful and trustworthy Contractor. But 10 mil a week is a bit steep IMO... But hopefully we can discuss that and lower it a bit. Corps training for PC could use the extra Mil or two ISK... No one has to hold the ISK. Corps can personally make arrangements with NF for payment. This would help avoid any confusion regarding Weekly payment. If a CORP forgets or fails to pay, that'd be up to the CORP... No one can blame the other person for it... - Tenure in PFC should be discussed. Not forced upon any Corp. If a Corp feels that they have a Fully PC ready team, than they can discuss their departure. Sell it to someone else or do whatever transaction they feel comfortable with. Choose the next successor from a proper waiting list. Call in a Vote for a waiting list. Not like "My friend wants in" even though that friend has 10 players in the Corp. - No intentional locking of PFC district - NO Using PFC district clones for PC purposes Since Everyone on this Post went Off topic. Let me Re-post this again please. Please put your constructive ideas here. Let's Try to make this better. Also Create a Separate Post and Call it PFC Argument or e-peen stroking or w/e I like this tbqh Listen I'll change the song every week
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2765	Posted - 2014.02.06 15:54:00 - [216] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Few things that We have learned since the beginning of PFC: - Fights are for training purposes only. Not to Flip the district. Which means both parties involved can discuss the terms of the battle prior to the battle if they chose to, or go all out with no gear restrictions... - Ringers are frowned upon. If you can't field a team of full 16 Corp members, then you shouldn't be on the PFC. But sometimes there are issues with attendance, Hard freeze and so on... In those cases, Corps used to match number of players to have an even fight. (But its Rare, Everyone loves stomping)... - Alliance members are not considered as Ringers. It's for training, so the District owner may choose to bring in alliance members for training purposes. - So far we have only Had "GGs" After a PFC match. Not a single case of trash talking. Let's keep it civil - There were no Set council... It was more like whoever had the best players at that time... No We are working on building one.. Hopefully we can keep this politics free and Focus solely on PFC... Lets keep our personal Agendas aside. Let's not make anyone the king of the ring and create unnecessary tension. - We did not have any enforcers, hence all the drama surrounding PFC. . . But now NF is willing to take that contract. They are no doubt a Successful and trustworthy Contractor. But 10 mil a week is a bit steep IMO... But hopefully we can discuss that and lower it a bit. Corps training for PC could use the extra Mil or two ISK... No one has to hold the ISK. Corps can personally make arrangements with NF for payment. This would help avoid any confusion regarding Weekly payment. If a CORP forgets or fails to pay, that'd be up to the CORP... No one can blame the other person for it... - Tenure in PFC should be discussed. Not forced upon any Corp. If a Corp feels that they have a Fully PC ready team, than they can discuss their departure. Sell it to someone else or do whatever transaction they feel comfortable with. Choose the next successor from a proper waiting list. Call in a Vote for a waiting list. Not like "My friend wants in" even though that friend has 10 players in the Corp. - No intentional locking of PFC district - NO Using PFC district clones for PC purposes Since Everyone on this Post went Off topic. Let me Re-post this again please. Please put your constructive ideas here. Let's Try to make this better. Also Create a Separate Post and Call it PFC Argument or e-peen stroking or w/e NAV HIV, you should go ahead and post each of these rules on the PFC froums as a separate thread so the council can start the process of voting on them. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2220	Posted - 2014.02.06 16:02:00 - [217] - Quote Ghostt Shadoww wrote: Everything is locked everywhere and is going to stay that way. Incase you havent noticed all the big corps have been looking at pfc as another source of income. So before they take it i need to. I dont expect you to understand you are a gamer not ex military.This is sstrategy and smart since a war is coming. And its pfc why would I want a corp in pfc to join the coalition. Look bud like i told you in the other thread if i dont they will. Open your eyes 1.8 is the biggest update in dust. And its going to change a lot of things around especially for the pc world. I think its time for pfc to go away for awhile. You want to train then go que sync a factional. And stop getting rich off of pfc..all us big dogs know its a cash crop. Go somewhere else with that mess. Pfc needs to be open to pc again practice in factioal pfc is over Who are you? Listen I'll change the song every week
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2222	Posted - 2014.02.06 16:57:00 - [218] - Quote Ghostt Shadoww wrote: Everything is locked everywhere and is going to stay that way. Incase you havent noticed all the big corps have been looking at pfc even though What the french's districts are open and not under attack. So before big corps take it i need to come and post on the forums about it and try to act relavent. I dont expect you to understand you are a gamer not a douchebag who thinks going through basic makes them a strageist. I am a dumb ** who does not understand PC involves not staegy other than using exploits and ringers. And I'm butthurt NF is better than I am so I will use AE or OH as ringers and they will me over in the end. Look bud like i told you in the other thread they will. Open your eyes 1.8 is the biggest update in dust. And its going to break the game especially because pc will still be ** . I think because I couldn't get onto PFC its time for pfc to go away for awhile. You want to train then go que sync a factional and stomp academy fresh newberries. all the big dogs who will decimate my corp in PC know its a cash crop. Go somewhere else with that mess. Pfc needs to be open to pc again practice in factioal pfc is over fixed Listen I'll change the song every week
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 210	Posted - 2014.02.06 18:48:00 - [219] - Quote Ghostt Shadoww wrote: See what i mean. You think AE not going tobtake pfc with this war coming. Race you to it...last one there is a rotten egg Freakin AE....Join me Cubs $h/t man i got cookies man or maybe u want a samich i hear u like samiches...lol...i wonder if u even know what im talkimg about lol Join us Sir Cubs...You can still beon top homie i just want to make history...get at me bro $hit going down son :-) My comments do not reflect the mindset, thinking or plans of my corp leadership or team mates. TBQH I don't really care what goes on there. I was just trying to rile the locals. Go get whatever you want. If people are not smart enough to see what is going on, then let the lulz begin.
Ghostt Shadoww The Unit 514 27	Posted - 2014.02.06 19:51:00 - [220] - Quote Big ol nuts said it himself just look at his post if Pfc is a cash crop then it's going to be a fight for it. And cubs I never said I spoke with you I said would like to speak with you. But bro 150 mill for a district 10 mill a week from 24 corps on PFC . That's what's 240 mill a week plus the 150 mill they paid for the district plus you all said in the rules if you need more money to defend or whatever then that should be given also maybe I'm wrong on that part but you get the point If I take Pfc districts and NF comes after me to take it back 1 ... How they will be locked 2.. You get 240 mill a week why would you take more money from Pfc people for example to take me out It's a cash crop people...and it belongs to PC You want to practice go play factional I'm done replying in this thread I have said the facts ...cubs please bro...this is your cash pot buddy plain and simple It's going back to PC bud people have factional now be happy for that ff is on. Go que sync And last thought no one touched on escrow owns 3 districts and have a Pfc district isn't escrow part of you cubs maybe I'm wrong I don't know but they have 3 districts and have a Pfc and HellStorm come on man how long they going to stay in Pfc another 6 months seems like they been there a year already lmao Pfc is a joke...it is in Malden Heath you guys are making 240 mill a week plus the 150 mill times 24 that everyone had to pay Lmao...um cash crop... No bro enough with the free ride and the scams...that one guy on page 3 I think said it so cool wi his post on how slick nf made it look for the community I'm to smart for that again...10 mill a week 24 districts that's 240 mill a week plus 150 mill for each district plus if you guys fight and need more money they have to give it to you cuz the 240 mill a week is not enough..lol No disrespect cubs u want to join up in the war great . You want to sit back and watch and pick up the pieces after then fine whatever But Pfc is going back to PC everyone it belongs to PC community not a place for nf to get rich and have no big corps or alliances coming after you Yeah no try again...not on my watch why should I let you all get rich off of a scam....Nahhh I'd rather take it Pfc is over go to factional

CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 757	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:00:00 - [221] - Quote Ghostt Shadoww wrote: Big ol nuts said it himself just look at his post if Pfc is a cash crop then it's going to be a fight for it. And cubs I never said I spoke with you I said would like to speak with you. But bro 150 mill for a district 10 mill a week from 24 corps on PFC . That's what's 240 mill a week plus the 150 mill they paid for the district plus you all said in the rules if you need more money to defend or whatever then that should be given also maybe I'm wrong on that part but you get the point If I take Pfc districts and NF comes after me to take it back 1 ... How they will be locked 2.. You get 240 mill a week why would you take more money from Pfc people for example to take me out It's a cash crop people...and it belongs to PC You want to practice go play factional I'm done replying in this thread I have said the facts ...cubs please bro...this is your cash pot buddy plain and simple It's going back to PC bud people have factional now be happy for that ff is on. Go que sync And last thought no one touched on escrow owns 3 districts and have a Pfc district isn't escrow part of you cubs maybe I'm wrong I don't know but they have 3 districts and have a Pfc and HellStorm come on man how long they going to stay in Pfc another 6 months seems like they been there a year already lmao Pfc is a joke...it is in Malden Heath you guys are making 240 mill a week plus the 150 mill times 24 that everyone had to pay Lmao...um cash crop... No bro enough with the free ride and the scams...that one guy on page 3 I think said it so cool wi his post on how slick nf made it look for the community I'm to smart for that again...10 mill a week 24 districts that's 240 mill a week plus 150 mill for each district plus if you guys fight and need more money they have to give it to you cuz the 240 mill a week is not enough..lol No disrespect cubs u want to join up in the war great . You want to sit back and watch and pick up the pieces after then fine whatever But Pfc is going back to PC everyone it belongs to PC community not a place for nf to get rich and have no big corps or alliances coming after you Yeah no try again...not on my watch why should I let you all get rich off of a scam....Nahhh I'd rather take it Pfc is over go to factional I see this clown is still talking about the end of the world huh? CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2236	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:23:00 - [222] - Quote Ghostt Shadoww wrote: Big ol nuts said it himself just look at his post if Pfc is a cash crop then it's going to be a fight for it. And cubs I never said I spoke with you I said would like to speak with you. But bro 150 mill for a district 10 mill a week from 24 corps on PFC . That's what's 240 mill a week plus the 150 mill they paid for the district plus you all said in the rules if you need more money to defend or whatever then that should be given also maybe I'm wrong on that part but you get the point If I take Pfc districts and NF comes after me to take it back 1 ... How they will be locked 2.. You get 240 mill a week why would you take more money from Pfc people for example to take me out It's a cash crop people...and it belongs to PC You want to practice go play factional I'm done replying in this thread I have said the facts ...cubs please bro...this is your cash pot buddy plain and simple It's going back to PC bud people have factional now be happy for that ff is on. Go que sync And last thought no one touched on escrow owns 3 districts and have a Pfc district isn't escrow part of you cubs maybe I'm wrong I don't know but they have 3 districts and have a Pfc and HellStorm come on man how long they going to stay in Pfc another 6 months seems like they been there a year already lmao Pfc is a joke...it is in Malden Heath you guys are making 240 mill a week plus the 150 mill times 24 that everyone had to pay Lmao...um cash crop... No bro enough with the free ride and the scams...that one guy on page 3 I think said it so cool wi his post on how slick nf made it look for the community I'm to smart for that again...10 mill a week 24 districts that's 240 mill a week plus 150 mill for each district plus if you guys fight and need more money they have to give it to you cuz the 240 mill a week is not enough..lol No disrespect cubs u want to join up in the war great . You want to sit back and watch and pick up the pieces after then fine whatever But Pfc is going back to PC everyone it belongs to PC community not a place for nf to get rich and have no big corps or alliances coming after you Yeah no try again...not on my watch why should I let you all get rich off of a scam....Nahhh I'd rather take it Pfc is over go to factional Charolette quit it post on your main at least. Listen I'll change the song every week
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 938	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:34:00 - [223] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Charolette quit it post on your main at least. This is funny cause its probably true. Didn't know Hardfacts was a silly sailor.... his anchor tat must be a stick on or something.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2238	Posted - 2014.02.07 02:40:00 - [224] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Charolette quit it post on your main at least. This is funny cause its probably true. Didn't know Hardfacts was a silly sailor.... his anchor tat must be a stick on or something. It's just an AE member, not charfacts... Listen I'll change the song every week
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3081	Posted - 2014.02.07 03:38:00 - [225] - Quote To Soraya, Kain and other corporations involved, thank you all for getting together and getting PFC in order. This is great stuff to read and I have faith in what the community can do now with the PFC. Kanpani! Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 168	Posted - 2014.02.07 04:30:00 - [226] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: ER-Bullitt wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Charolette quit it post on your main at least. This is funny cause its probably true. Didn't know Hardfacts was a silly sailor.... his anchor tat must be a stick on or something. It's just an AE member, not charfacts... Nope, not AE, just a guy I met before FEC that always quesynced FW. I don't know why he is acting like this. Maybe it is not the same person as it was before... idk. He is being entertaining though :D 02/05/whatever Peace made between psychopath Yoshi and CCP. You all get to live... for now... :P
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4501	Posted - 2014.02.07 15:50:00 - [227] - Quote Since PFC is now a business asset and fair game by larger corps, I wonder if the amount these new corps are paying for protection will be enough? Logic dictates that a majority of these new smaller corps will have timers that are stacked in prime time Making the logistics a nightmare for their protectors to defend all those districts at once. If I was on the new PFC council I would ask to pay much more money for my protection since the goodwill of the larger corps is in jeopardy.
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 172	Posted - 2014.02.07 16:09:00 - [228] - Quote If NF is spread thin, maybe we can ring for a price too? Pick me coach! I want to play kickball too! 02/05/whatever Peace made between psychopath Yoshi and CCP. You all get to live... for now... :P
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2245	Posted - 2014.02.07 16:49:00 - [229] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: Killar-12 wrote: ER-Bullitt wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Charolette quit it post on your main at least. This is funny cause its probably true. Didn't know Hardfacts was a silly sailor.... his anchor tat must be a stick on or something. It's just an AE member, not charfacts... Nope, not AE, just a guy I met before FEC that always quesynced FW. I don't know why he is acting like this. Maybe it is not the same person as it was before... idk. He is being entertaining though :D I know... Sheperd... Listen I'll change the song every week
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2779	Posted - 2014.02.07 16:58:00 - [230] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: If NF is spread thin, maybe we can ring for a price too? Pick me coach! I want to play kickball too! Part of the NF contract with PFC and an aspect of the weekly maintenance fee is to organize and pay for mercs needed for council enforcement, district defense from illegal flips, and removal of other violators from PFC should the need arise from NF's extensive network of freelance mercs. We welcome qualified mercs that express an interest in providing ringing services for PFC council contracts and they can expect to be paid well for their services. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news

Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2245	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:17:00 - [231] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Since PFC is now a business asset and fair game by larger corps, I wonder if the amount these new corps are paying for protection will be enough? Logic dictates that a majority of these new smaller corps will have timers that are stacked in prime time Making the logistics a nightmare for their protectors to defend all those districts at once. If I was on the new PFC council I would ask to pay much more money for my protection since the goodwill of the larger corps is in jeopardy. Aside from Kain's point maybe have FA, TP, Imps, RND, AE, and 0.H each get a district on a planet, who ever controls the full planet first wins sort of a tourney style thing all districts must be on one of 4 timers agreed upon by all parties, sounds like fun tbqh and gives yall something to do. Listen I'll change the song every week
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4502	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:23:00 - [232] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: Since PFC is now a business asset and fair game by larger corps, I wonder if the amount these new corps are paying for protection will be enough? Logic dictates that a majority of these new smaller corps will have timers that are stacked in prime time Making the logistics a nightmare for their protectors to defend all those districts at once. If I was on the new PFC council I would ask to pay much more money for my protection since the goodwill of the larger corps is in jeopardy. Aside from Kain's point maybe have FA, TP, Imps, RND, AE, and 0.H each get a district on a planet, who ever controls the full planet first wins sort of a tourney style thing all districts must be on one of 4 timers agreed upon by all parties, sounds like fun tbqh and gives yall something to do. We have all of molden heath to fight over, this particular thread is concerning the future of the new business model of PFC. Which is now going to be a bigger part of MH because it is now a revenue making stream.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2245	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:35:00 - [233] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Killar-12 wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: Since PFC is now a business asset and fair game by larger corps, I wonder if the amount these new corps are paying for protection will be enough? Logic dictates that a majority of these new smaller corps will have timers that are stacked in prime time Making the logistics a nightmare for their protectors to defend all those districts at once. If I was on the new PFC council I would ask to pay much more money for my protection since the goodwill of the larger corps is in jeopardy. Aside from Kain's point maybe have FA, TP, Imps, RND, AE, and 0.H each get a district on a planet, who ever controls the full planet first wins sort of a tourney style thing all districts must be on one of 4 timers agreed upon by all parties, sounds like fun tbqh and gives yall something to do. We have all of molden heath to fight over, this particular thread is concerning the future of the new business model of PFC. Which is now going to be a bigger part of MH because it is now a revenue making stream. Agreed, then again NF doesn't ONLY employ TP, Imp, and ERA troops, I've gotten in a few ffs. Listen I'll change the song every week
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2781	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:42:00 - [234] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: Killar-12 wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: Since PFC is now a business asset and fair game by larger corps, I wonder if the amount these new corps are paying for protection will be enough? Logic dictates that a majority of these new smaller corps will have timers that are stacked in prime time Making the logistics a nightmare for their protectors to defend all those districts at once. If I was on the new PFC council I would ask to pay much more money for my protection since the goodwill of the larger corps is in jeopardy. Aside from Kain's point maybe have FA, TP, Imps, RND, AE, and 0.H each get a district on a planet, who ever controls the full planet first wins sort of a tourney style thing all districts must be on one of 4 timers agreed upon by all parties, sounds like fun tbqh and gives yall something to do. We have all of molden heath to fight over, this particular thread is concerning the future of the new business model of PFC. Which is now going to be a bigger part of MH because it is now a revenue making stream. Agreed, then again NF doesn't ONLY employ TP, Imp, and ERA troops, I've gotten in a few ffs. Yep, NF is actually proud to serve the skilled merc community at large and happily compensates quality Duster across New Eden for their talents and services. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 177	Posted - 2014.02.07 18:07:00 - [235] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: If NF is spread thin, maybe we can ring for a price too? Pick me coach! I want to play kickball too! Part of the NF contract with PFC and an aspect of the weekly maintenance fee is to organize and pay for mercs needed for council enforcement, district defense from illegal flips, and removal of other violators from PFC should the need arise from NF's extensive network of freelance mercs. We welcome qualified mercs that express an interest in providing ringing services for PFC council contracts and they can expect to be compensated for their services. So can I play kickball coach? I can't kick hard... or straight... but hey I can run! ... but not straight... Anyways, as long as it is not against AE or anyone who has good relations with AE, I'm fine. Did I mention I am probably in the top 5 for mercs who get paid to awoky woky Rampage? If you ever have Rampage on your team and want him to get awoky woky, I am your man. I won't do it often though because he got really mad at me one time for doing it... a lot (shotgun+ninite injector= <3) lol. 02/05/whatever Peace made between psychopath Yoshi and CCP. You all get to live... for now... :P
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2783	Posted - 2014.02.07 18:27:00 - [236] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: Anyways, as long as it is not against AE or anyone who has good relations with AE, I'm fine. I suspect the leadership's of AE's respect for PFC and the greater Dust community to make that not an issue, but New Eden is full of surprises and organizations making bad decisions. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Common- Sense Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 11	Posted - 2014.02.07 20:01:00 - [237] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: I suspect the leadership of AE's respect for PFC and the greater Dust community to make that not an issue, but New Eden is full of surprises and organizations making bad decisions. New Eden is also full of deceit, misdirection, and ulterior motives. The fact that PFC is considered a bit of a GÇ£sacred cowGÇ¥ plays in to business side of this protection scheme. If a full scale takeover attempt of PFC was ever attempted by a quality organization(s) then it could quickly become unprofitable. While NF continues to project rainbows, flowers, and sunshine let us not be confused. As key personnel of Negative Feedback have stated time and time again it is all about the ISK. Let me be clear though when I state there is nothing wrong with this. The fact is that two goals can be accomplished at once. NF can run its protection scheme while also providing a very valuable service to the GÇ£protectedGÇ¥. In truth it is brilliant and we are watching for what may be the first time the largest planet in Molden Heath being effectively taken without a shot fired and turned in to what could be viewed as a Dust version of EveGÇÖs GÇ£rentingGÇ¥ mechanic. With that said PFC as many thought it to be is dead and replaced with another modelGÇª. a business model. But, in the end isn't that so very GÇ£EveGÇ¥ like? Quote: Kain Spero wrote: The weekly payment also ensures that PFC members have skin in the game and a vested interest to insure participation in the council. Members that don't pay into the weekly contract also become easy to identify as members that don't contribute to PFC and are probably better suited to a location in Molden Heath outside of Planet Fight Club It is and will probably continue to be very interesting to watch. Shame it is now being discussed in the shadows even though I understand why that is being done. I'm curious to see how this model holds up after upcoming PC changes from CCP. Who knows it may in fact be more profitable than holding territory.
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 191	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:53:00 - [238] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Negative-Feedback is happy to take on this PFC contract and looks forward to working with the PFC council as it grows and establishes itself. Together our hope is that this will bring a golden age to PFC and put the control of PFC in the hands where it has always belonged: the members of Planet Fight Club. We are very much looking forward to seeing how this positive development progresses. Yep, that's cool. Same guys/corps staying on PFC indefinitely. BURN THAT MFKR DOWN! Official Unofficial D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1397	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:57:00 - [239] - Quote Spartan MK420 wrote: Yep, that's cool. Same guys/corps staying on PFC indefinitely. PFC should be quite able to accommodate parties interested. This actually will put an end to the former issues, where corps would languish for weeks in the War Room hoping to get a spot, with no clear answer on when and where that will happen. Interested parties should mail us. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2565	Posted - 2014.02.08 03:42:00 - [240] - Quote I must say I was impressed with Sperow Escrow Services for wanting to raise their swords for PFC but I must have been foolish in believing it to be for honour like all the tier-1 corporations before it, and not the ISK. I will not support this system. I was approached understanding this project to be charity based and largely unregulated - governed loosely by those strong enough to hold a district without foreign intervention. I'm sad to see defenders of PFC trying to turn knights into a hired police force. Soraya and Kain, you've lost your way on this one. Leave the planet in the hands of its people and their God. It's been long understood that if Calamity struck Planet Fight Club the leaders of each corporation would unite and defeat the Invaders. Legend tells us that by risk or ISK the Champion would emerge victorious. And that war would reign eternal upon its lands forever. Jihad Jeep Proficiency V Red Line Sniper Proficiency III

Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2362	Posted - 2014.02.08 04:15:00 - [241] - Quote Email from Kane Spero to all PFC district owners: Kane Spero wrote: Dear members of the council, The first round of the maintenance fee is due on Monday by 23:59 UTC. The ISK will need to be sent to Spero Escrow Services. After some discussion with several members of the council, the weekly amount has been set at 8.75 million ISK, which amounts to less than one day of clone generation. If/when PC mechanics are changed in the future the contract with PFC will be readdressed. This rate paired with the rule under consideration that attacks are only to be launched on full districts should allow PFC districts to remain active while also maintaining financial viability for the district owner to help fund any expenses associate with training operations. This will also allow Negative-Feedback to ensure the highest quality of service in regards to removing PFC district owners that are locking their districts and place members that will provide a more active and higher quality experience for all of PFC. The weekly maintenance fee also covers any cost associated with providing ringers in the case of an attempt to illegally flip a district either by a PFC member or an external organization. Please notify me at least 24 hours in advance in-game at "Kane Spero" by forwarding your defense notification for any suspected illegal attempts to flip a district. Lastly, if the council votes to remove a member from PFC due to a rules violation or failure to comply with a punitive action ordered by the council, Negative-Feedback will enforce the decision through removal of that corporation from PFC. Negative-Feedback has an experienced team in dealing with locked districts and district locking will not prevent NF from enforcing any needed actions. Also, as a reminder, any PFC member that has not contributed to the weekly maintenance fee will be found in breach of contract and will be scheduled to have another corporation that has a current request in for a PFC district take their place. Negative-Feedback would like to thank council's cooperation in this matter. We look forward to working with the council and ensuring that PFC reach its full potential. Sincerely, Kane Spero Kane, You have posted this decision without consulting the counsel that has been announced. The "vote" held included 5 people only, and you are now demanding payment from all. A true governing body, as the one you purport to be, should be giving notices to all members of this counsel and all members should be given an opportunity not only to vote, but to offer debate as well. The result is that the corporation you own has been "awarded" over 200 million ISK per month for "management" of PFC. On the surface, one might argue that this is an extortion racket: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extortion_racket The only way this should be agreed upon is if the majority of all district owners agree to this, and there is transparency as to the purpose of this money. Specifically, the following needs to be made public knowledge: 1. What will this ISK be used for? 2. How does this benefit the community as a whole? 3. How does this benefit the corps/alliances in PFC? I'm sure others have additional questions, and that I will think of more myself. If you are prepared to open this decision to all PFC district owners for a full vote (which is the ideal), or at minimum to the members of the counsel, as well as to promise complete transparency for this by allowing the CEO's of each corporation to add an alt to your escow corporation with full Director rights to monitor the use of these funds, then I would be more accepting of this proposal. Given that all would be able to monitor transactions, you would in effect have a self policing force. I look forward to your reply, and hope you are as open as you have claimed to be. Sincerely, Forlorn Destrier Executor Legacy Rising Alliance What will be your legacy? Will you rise, or will you fall?
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2794	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:09:00 - [242] - Quote Forlorn as the Executor of Legacy Rising Alliance then you are well aware of the fact that your member corporations have been intentionally perma-locking and farming PFC districts. I'm sure that Men In Black Ops felt that they could hide behind a 1900 timer and a locked district, but they are being proven wrong. I'm happy that DR Feldersnatch is able to ferry this information to you while leaving out LRA's current exploitation of PFC district 2 since December 22nd of LAST YEAR. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Oddelulf/III-District-2 Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
iOwn AE Glitchers Kinsho Swords Caldari State 34	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:10:00 - [243] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Forlorn as the Executor of Legacy Rising Alliance then you are well aware of the fact that your member corporations have been intentionally perma-locking and farming PFC districts. I'm sure that Men In Black Ops felt that they could hide behind a 1900 timer and a locked district, but they are being proven wrong. I'm happy that DR Feldersnatch is able to ferry this information to you while leaving out LRA's current exploitation of PFC district 2 since December 22nd of LAST YEAR. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Oddelulf/III-District-2 #exposed Looking forward to cracking these particular skulls
Psychic SideKick Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:17:00 - [244] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Email from Kane Spero to all PFC district owners: Kane Spero wrote: Dear members of the council, The first round of the maintenance fee is due on Monday by 23:59 UTC. The ISK will need to be sent to Spero Escrow Services. After some discussion with several members of the council, the weekly amount has been set at 8.75 million ISK, which amounts to less than one day of clone generation. If/when PC mechanics are changed in the future the contract with PFC will be readdressed. This rate paired with the rule under consideration that attacks are only to be launched on full districts should allow PFC districts to remain active while also maintaining financial viability for the district owner to help fund any expenses associate with training operations. This will also allow Negative-Feedback to ensure the highest quality of service in regards to removing PFC district owners that are locking their districts and place members that will provide a more active and higher quality experience for all of PFC. The weekly maintenance fee also covers any cost associated with providing ringers in the case of an attempt to illegally flip a district either by a PFC member or an external organization. Please notify me at least 24 hours in advance in-game at "Kane Spero" by forwarding your defense notification for any suspected illegal attempts to flip a district. Lastly, if the council votes to remove a member from PFC due to a rules violation or failure to comply with a punitive action ordered by the council, Negative-Feedback will enforce the decision through removal of that corporation from PFC. Negative-Feedback has an experienced team in dealing with locked districts and district locking will not prevent NF from enforcing any needed actions. Also, as a reminder, any PFC member that has not contributed to the weekly maintenance fee will be found in breach of contract and will be scheduled to have another corporation that has a current request in for a PFC district take their place. Negative-Feedback would like to thank council's cooperation in this matter. We look forward to working with the council and ensuring that PFC reach its full potential. Sincerely, Kane Spero Kane, You have posted this decision without consulting the counsel that has been announced. The "vote" held included 5 people only, and you are now demanding payment from all. A true governing body, as the one you purport to be, should be giving notices to all members of this counsel and all members should be given an opportunity not only to vote, but to offer debate as well. The result is that the corporation you own has been "awarded" over 200 million ISK per month for "management" of PFC. On the surface, one might argue that this is an extortion racket: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extortion_racket The only way this should be agreed upon is if the majority of all district owners agree to this, and there is transparency as to the purpose of this money. Specifically, the following needs to be made public knowledge: 1. What will this ISK be used for? 2. How does this benefit the community as a whole? 3. How does this benefit the corps/alliances in PFC? I'm sure others have additional questions, and that I will think of more myself. If you are prepared to open this decision to all PFC district owners for a full vote (which is the ideal), or at minimum to the members of the counsel, as well as to promise complete transparency for this by allowing the CEO's of each corporation to add an alt to your escow corporation with full Director rights to monitor the use of these funds, then I would be more accepting of this proposal. Given that all would be able to monitor transactions, you would in effect have a self policing force. I look forward to your reply, and hope you are as open as you have claimed to be. Sincerely, Forlorn Destrier Executor Legacy Rising Alliance Look at this evidence and tell me changes don't need to happen Just another unbanned alt
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2362	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:23:00 - [245] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Forlorn as the Executor of Legacy Rising Alliance then you are well aware of the fact that your member corporations have been intentionally perma-locking and farming PFC districts. I'm sure that Men In Black Ops felt that they could hide behind a 1900 timer and a locked district, but they are being proven wrong. I'm happy that DR Feldersnatch is able to ferry this information to you while leaving out LRA's current exploitation of PFC district 2 since December 22nd of LAST YEAR. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Oddelulf/III-District-2 Men in Black Ops is new to alliance - I am not accountable for anything that happened prior. That said, I fail to see how anyone should be bound by rules created by a man who breaks his own rules. In the future, I recommend you hold to your claim of allowing everyone to vote on issues as you said they would have before you try to enforce other rules you have arbitrarily decided on. I am curious though - who made you the leader of PFC? I mean, I know CCP named you to the CPM at a time when the community dispised you, but CCP wasn't involved in your most recent power grab. EDIT: Also good job avoiding the questions posed to you. What will be your legacy? Will you rise, or will you fall?
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2489	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:31:00 - [246] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Forlorn as the Executor of Legacy Rising Alliance then you are well aware of the fact that your member corporations have been intentionally perma-locking and farming PFC districts. I'm sure that Men In Black Ops felt that they could hide behind a 1900 timer and a locked district, but they are being proven wrong. I'm happy that DR Feldersnatch is able to ferry this information to you while leaving out LRA's current exploitation of PFC district 2 since December 22nd of LAST YEAR. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Oddelulf/III-District-2 Men in Black Ops is new to alliance - I am not accountable for anything that happened prior. That said, I fail to see how anyone should be bound by rules created by a man who breaks his own rules. In the future, I recommend you hold to your claim of allowing everyone to vote on issues as you said they would have before you try to enforce other rules you have arbitrarily decided on. I am curious though - who made you the leader of PFC? I mean, I know CCP named you to the CPM at a time when the community dispised you, but CCP wasn't involved in your most recent power grab. EDIT: Also good job avoiding the questions posed to you. That said, good leaders address questions asked of them. I would love to see someone stop him. i'll even share my pop corn if someone tries. Edit: im neither here or there on the issue it's just been fun watching all the drama... Buying EVE CE codes for Dust ISK Corp services
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2256	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:59:00 - [247] - Quote Anyone have a winning record v NF? nuff said... Listen I'll change the song every week
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2100	Posted - 2014.02.08 10:10:00 - [248] - Quote The Black Art wrote: Cubs Secretary wrote: the Insurance policy is what guarantees your priviledge to remain As in, you'll remove them if they don't pay? That's extortion, homie. You didn't own the land and give it up, there's no reason to be charging rent. While I agree that 9 mil isn't much per corp, there's also no reason for NF to be getting that much. You should be compensated for your work, but 200m+ every week on top of ringer fees? That's just taking advantage of the PFC corps. Why aren't ringer fees enough? The contracts don't differ from your regular ones; it's still just PC battles, easy ones at that. Any corp that is disenfranchised with the idea of paying to remain on PFC can contact me. I do not support charging outside of ringer fee's. If NF chooses to attempt to remove those corps that decline NF's proposal to charge they are encouraged to seek out our merc services. CEO Fatal Absolution B3RT > PFBHz > TP > MHPD > IMP > F4TAL Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
Spartacus Dust The-Legionnaires The CORVOS 90	Posted - 2014.02.08 11:16:00 - [249] - Quote Really, because I'm pretty sure you said...hang on let me find the Skype convo: [1/22/2014 1:34:09 AM] Zatara Rought: If I go anywhere it'll be Negative Feedback. Unless someone else proves they deserve us by defeating us in PC. I think it's implied that they can't beat NF, want to join NF, and therefor would be even a bigger waste of isk to use their merc services. Twitter @Matthew_Dust Candidate for the CPM1 One Universe//One War
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2100	Posted - 2014.02.08 11:22:00 - [250] - Quote Spartacus Dust wrote: Really, because I'm pretty sure you said...hang on let me find the Skype convo: [1/22/2014 1:34:09 AM] Zatara Rought: If I go anywhere it'll be Negative Feedback. Unless someone else proves they deserve us by defeating us in PC. I think it's implied that they can't beat NF, want to join NF, and therefor would be even a bigger waste of isk to use their merc services. It's true weeks ago I couldn't see myself leaving CI for anywhere else but NF, with all my homies there. But that door is closed and I've no qualms about fighting them. I won't trash talk them, but I'm a merc. <3 I don't see the implication though. When was this almost 3 weeks ago? Meh. I was convinced I wouldn't be interested in joining an alliance that didn't have a corp on our level because it leads to babysitting. Conviction is a destination. Nice meta attempt. The offer stands. Anyone who decides that they refuse to pay NF for "the privilege to remain" can contact me. CEO Fatal Absolution B3RT > PFBHz > TP > MHPD > IMP > F4TAL Skype me @ Zatara.Rought

Spartacus Dust The-Legionnaires The CORVOS 90	Posted - 2014.02.08 11:39:00 - [251] - Quote I also laugh at my attempt to get you to join PD or LRA with you saying no and refusing, and yet shortly after you joined PD. Even more laughable then my failed attempt to get you to join an alliance that you did in fact join shortly after that conversation, is that you led a disorganized coalition against RA that no one benefits from but you :/ META ATTEMPT 2? Seriously? Yes, Seriously. Twitter @Matthew_Dust Candidate for the CPM1 One Universe//One War
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2100	Posted - 2014.02.08 11:43:00 - [252] - Quote Spartacus Dust wrote: I also laugh at my attempt to get you to join PD or LRA with you saying no and refusing, and yet shortly after you joined PD. Even more laughable then my failed attempt to get you to join an alliance that you did in fact join shortly after that conversation, is that you led a disorganized coalition against RA that no one benefits from but you :/ META ATTEMPT 2? Seriously? Yes, Seriously. Yup. You failed to convince. Thankfully they did. What offensive did I lead? I would have loved to lead an offensive, but never did. And what benefit did I get from this disorganized coalition I led? Please continue to make a tool of yourself. I'm loving it. Edit: NVM I'll leave tool in. CEO Fatal Absolution B3RT > PFBHz > TP > MHPD > IMP > F4TAL Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
Spartacus Dust The-Legionnaires The CORVOS 90	Posted - 2014.02.08 11:56:00 - [253] - Quote Thankfully they did in deed, since you said you wouldn't join them. I found that interesting that you're the type to go back on the things they say. And no you didn't lead an offensive, you started a coalition, a coalition that asked me to help you with no benefits from you at all :/, meanwhile you gained a bunch of EVE players to help you in your cause against RA, what did they get I wonder? Nothing. And I love the mails I got and how people talked about you: Hey Zatara needs us to all attack tomorrow And then the next day, We are pushing the attack back a week, and then a week later, this coalition is gay. If anyone is the tool it's you sir :D Look emoticons apparently mean I'm not effected by your comments :D :D :D Meanwhile you take the time to Skype me saying: Seriously? Twitter @Matthew_Dust Candidate for the CPM1 One Universe//One War
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2100	Posted - 2014.02.08 12:06:00 - [254] - Quote Spartacus Dust wrote: Thankfully they did in deed, since you said you wouldn't join them. I found that interesting that you're the type to go back on the things they say. Conviction is a process. And no you didn't lead an offensive, you started a coalition, a coalition that asked me to help you with no benefits from you at all :/, meanwhile you gained a bunch of EVE players to help you in your cause against RA, what did they get I wonder? Nothing. If they asked you then obviously they made a huge mistake and thankfully your foolishness proving you can't be trusted will preclude them from mistakenly inviting you to participate in their future endeavors. And if they were receiving nothing then I guess that'd quite the feat on my part convincing so many to show up. And I love the mails I got and how people talked about you: Hey Zatara needs us to all attack tomorrow And then the next day, We are pushing the attack back a week, and then a week later, this coalition is gay. Fascinating. CEO Fatal Absolution B3RT > PFBHz > TP > MHPD > IMP > F4TAL Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
Spartacus Dust The-Legionnaires The CORVOS 90	Posted - 2014.02.08 12:35:00 - [255] - Quote Obviously they made a huge mistake following you since you didn't accomplish anything... Personally I think SVER should have spearheaded the coalition. Obviously you don't trust me, mostly because I'm right about things that you are initially wrong about, but I wonder, if others didn't trust me, why would they be sending me mail asking for help on districts still? Why would they want me to help them lead their EVE sides? Why would they share intel with me? Why would members of your coalition mail me and say "You were right, Zatara is an idiot, he can't make up his mind." Also I have a feeling I'll be on good terms with PD for a while, but of course you know what goes on in our mails and private chats :P It is all as you say Fascinating. Twitter @Matthew_Dust Candidate for the CPM1 One Universe//One War
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2100	Posted - 2014.02.08 12:39:00 - [256] - Quote I'm going to focus on the purpose of the thread, instead of exposing poor troll bait. Despite tangenting off to destroy some lol logic the offer stands. If you don't want to pay NF then obviously you're prepared to fight NF. Hire us if you wish! CEO Fatal Absolution B3RT > PFBHz > TP > MHPD > IMP > F4TAL Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 803	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:23:00 - [257] - Quote Staying on topic as I have been eating popcorn and watching the drama unfold. I voted for NF and Others did too, no one is saying NF is going to run out those that do not accept the terms of the offered contract, they just will not have the protection offered. We have been attacked again by a corp outside of PFC, a very powerful one in fact that I consider top shelf. If I was worried about them flipping our district intentionally I know I have the services of NF to hold my district, we are still building. We have a damn good team for a corp on our level and intend to give them the best fight we can, should be a good learning experience which is what PFC is all about. They have expressed no intent of taking district so a good fight we will have against a superior force, you'll never get better if you play up a level. This being said, NF did not walk in and take charge by martial law. I knew almost a month ago when I began searching for a PFC district through talking with Kain what his intent was and was supportive since the beginning as his intent is honourable. We have had our district for seven days and battle five is coming up, learning a lot already and getting stronger. Please let's have a couple meetings as a council so all the facts can be straight so all the complaining can stop. Next time you get ready to complain if you have a PFC district, ask yourself this question and answer it honestly, Can I defend my district if NS, ML, DDB, AE, came knocking with their A team to take my district? If you answered yes to this question then please go quietly about your business and let the rest of us who understand the reality go quietly about ours and exist as neighbors on our happy planet. And stop carrying on this thread in public as some info should be left behind closed doors. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
iOwn AE Glitchers Kinsho Swords Caldari State 47	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:17:00 - [258] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: The Black Art wrote: Cubs Secretary wrote: the Insurance policy is what guarantees your priviledge to remain As in, you'll remove them if they don't pay? That's extortion, homie. You didn't own the land and give it up, there's no reason to be charging rent. While I agree that 9 mil isn't much per corp, there's also no reason for NF to be getting that much. You should be compensated for your work, but 200m+ every week on top of ringer fees? That's just taking advantage of the PFC corps. Why aren't ringer fees enough? The contracts don't differ from your regular ones; it's still just PC battles, easy ones at that. Any corp that is disenfranchised with the idea of paying to remain on PFC can contact me. I do not support charging outside of ringer fee's. If NF chooses to attempt to remove those corps that decline NF's proposal to charge they are encouraged to seek out our merc services. 1) thats two-faced BS 2) you can't beat KEQ with a clone pack, do you honestly think you can stand up to us?
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2103	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:21:00 - [259] - Quote iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: 1) thats two-faced BS 2) you can't beat KEQ with a clone pack, do you honestly think you can stand up to us? How is it 2-faced? It wasn't a blowout (KEQ had 7-8 ticks left), I obviously had to watch clones and I had no heavies to your 3-4 so i failed to push bravo. And it was NF + KEQ. Stand up to NF?..lol Kobrah. How about we respect each other and not do stupid **** on the forums. We are competitive with NF. If you would like to arrange some battles, we're down. CEO Fatal Absolution B3RT > PFBHz > TP > MHPD > IMP > F4TAL Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
iOwn AE Glitchers Kinsho Swords Caldari State 47	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:34:00 - [260] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: 1) thats two-faced BS 2) you can't beat KEQ with a clone pack, do you honestly think you can stand up to us? How is it 2-faced? It wasn't a blowout (KEQ had 7-8 ticks left), I obviously had to watch clones and I had no heavies to your 3-4 so i failed to push bravo. And it was NF + KEQ. Stand up to NF?..lol Kobrah. How about we respect each other and not do stupid **** on the forums. We are competitive with NF. If you would like to arrange some battles, we're down. Did you not just agree with kain on this yesterday?????

Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2103	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:36:00 - [261] - Quote iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: Did you not just agree with kain on this yesterday????? That's a great question. disappears before he throws some agreement he had under the bus CEO Fatal Absolution B3RT > PFBHz > TP > MHPD > IMP > F4TAL Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. 955	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:37:00 - [262] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extortion_racket The real question is.. would you rather be the victim of extortion (while still participating in PFC) or robbery (being removed from PFC by force and left with nothing)? You can choose the lesser of two evils, or hire another "extortionist". I still find it amuzing that ya'll can use words like extortion, which refer to criminal activity, in a game with no laws.
Cubs Secretary 15	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:47:00 - [263] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: The Black Art wrote: Cubs Secretary wrote: the Insurance policy is what guarantees your priviledge to remain As in, you'll remove them if they don't pay? That's extortion, homie. You didn't own the land and give it up, there's no reason to be charging rent. While I agree that 9 mil isn't much per corp, there's also no reason for NF to be getting that much. You should be compensated for your work, but 200m+ every week on top of ringer fees? That's just taking advantage of the PFC corps. Why aren't ringer fees enough? The contracts don't differ from your regular ones; it's still just PC battles, easy ones at that. Any corp that is disenfranchised with the idea of paying to remain on PFC can contact me. I do not support charging outside of ringer fee's. If NF chooses to attempt to remove those corps that decline NF's proposal to charge they are encouraged to seek out our merc services. after getting a double espresso I'm now sitting at a typewriter from 1986 responding on Cubs behalf. I hope he doesn't find a 'home stenographer' (the guy is infatuated with midgets) ok back to work From the desk of Cubs: "What I love about all of this is people who have absolutely ZERO vested interest in PFC seem to be the most vocal... go figure Zatara offering his opinion and thoughts, which change as fast as Rampage's relationship 'status' on Facebook. My secretary is complaining of carpal tunnel syndrome, so I'll make this short(er) Corps on PFC that want to hire FA to defend instead of abide by the terms the PFC community themselves are in charge of, by all means do so. Just make sure you do NOT pay up front. Pay for them actually fulfilling their end of the deal. Zatara you chose to go the 'empire' route and have a stance. NF remains neutral mercenaries and play for who pays. All personal feelings thrown out the window. Fun Fact: you have already lost a number of clients due to your inability to fulfill contracts. Let me be even more simple: You haven't come close to beating us. Outer Heaven (respect) puts up a stronger fight than you. I'd wager you joined PD just so you wouldn't be embarrassed by STB, but that's just a personal opinion. Its already been stated.. you couldn't beat KEQ. No disrespect to KEQ; there were a total of 6 NF in the match, and your rebuttal will be 'well it was a clone pack, you cant win with a clone pack waa waa someone give me my pacifier' KEQ shut down FA. KEQ held the MCC lead and while yes you got cloned and killed more clones than them, you still LOST (cant hack points camping on catwalks the whole match...FACT). NF faced OH last night, who, from my Firsthand experience, is currently stronger than FA. OH lost... to a clone pack. Moral of the story: Please Hire FA, but please be smart with your isk. Pay them upon completion of the contract to ensure they hold up their end of the deal. If you are paying them for 15 people, this shouldn't be an issue, right? I mean after all, the ONLY way NF will get to play FA is by this route. Its not like Zatara will unlock even a SINGLE district and put it on a timer when his players are actually on, to actually PROVE he should be getting contracts from corps. Zatara a little advice being a CEO: make a decision, and stick to it. Right or wrong stand by your decision. Your Jekyl and Hyde personality is making you look much worse than I know you to be. Be a man of your word and gain the respect of your clients and adversaries." -----------------------------end transmission------------------- Cubs lied this wasn't shorter. Workman's Comp here I come!! Please take a number your call will be answered shortly. Sorry for the inconvenience
Timbo101 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 98	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:52:00 - [264] - Quote Cubs Secretary wrote: Its already been stated.. you couldn't beat KEQ. No disrespect to KEQ; there were a total of 6 NF in the match, and your rebuttal will be 'well it was a clone pack, you cant win with a clone pack waa waa someone give me my pacifier' KEQ shut down FA. KEQ held the MCC lead and while yes you got cloned and killed more clones than them, you still LOST (cant hack points camping on catwalks the whole match...FACT). Yay!!!! I thought you guys were good though. I just didn't understand why you guys wouldn't get off the ledge? You did and The Infected One but other than that no one else. It was a weird battle. Edit: Some of you guys were good, but then again its easy to kill people on the ground without ever leaving your ledge. Still, it was a good game and thanks to Cubs and friends for playing. And helping me out on that "other thing"
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. 957	Posted - 2014.02.08 17:15:00 - [265] - Quote Timbo101 wrote: "other thing" Its the clap, isn't it... smh . I told you to stay away from bigolenuts
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2103	Posted - 2014.02.08 17:33:00 - [266] - Quote Cubs Secretary wrote: after getting a double espresso I'm now sitting at a typewriter from 1986 responding on Cubs behalf. I hope he doesn't find a 'home stenographer' (the guy is infatuated with midgets) ok back to work From the desk of Cubs: 1.) "What I love about all of this is people who have absolutely ZERO vested interest in PFC seem to be the most vocal... go figure Zatara offering his opinion and thoughts, which change as fast as Rampage's relationship 'status' on Facebook. My secretary is complaining of carpal tunnel syndrome, so I'll make this short(er) Corps on PFC that want to hire FA to defend instead of abide by the terms the PFC community themselves are in charge of, by all means do so. Don't mind me, if we're so easy to defeat then you won't mind smashing us over and over. Meta meta meta Just make sure you do NOT pay up front. Pay for them actually fulfilling their end of the deal. Nope, contracts will be paid win or loss 3 mill per. Zatara you chose to go the 'empire' route and have a stance. NF remains neutral mercenaries and play for who pays. All personal feelings thrown out the window. Same with us. They pay we play. Fun Fact: you have already lost a number of clients due to your inability to fulfill contracts. Meta meta meta meta bullshit. FACT: Cubs has lost Numerous contracts because of FA, and Kane felt the need to strongarm FA into an operation to coordinate pricing...LOL. Let me be even more simple: You haven't come close to beating us. Outer Heaven (respect) puts up a stronger fight than you. I'd wager you joined PD just so you wouldn't be embarrassed by STB, but that's just a personal opinion. I actually don't care to stroke E-peen, but suffice it to say if OH got smacked by AE and FA has become quite competitive with AE then yeah I'd say we're gonna be just fine. We played OH recently. It was fun times. I'm sure NF loves that they beat us on some clone packs, congrats. We played once on a district with each side having clones. NF won. We lost for WTF, they had OB support. GG. But if you wanna stroke e-peen and say FA can't compete. Lol. KEQ shut down FA. KEQ held the MCC lead and while yes you got cloned and killed more clones than them, you still LOST (cant hack points camping on catwalks the whole match...FACT). Keq lost the next match to FA. on a clone pack. Sure we lost on a clone pack to KEQ + 6 NF. It was a loss, we kept clones even (I have the pics we won on clone count but couldn't win MCC with 120 vs the 4 heavies in bravo with 0 on our team) Logistical issue on my part. GG NF faced OH last night, who, from my Firsthand experience, is currently stronger than FA. OH lost... to a clone pack. More bullshit comparisons. Yawn I mean after all, the ONLY way NF will get to play FA is by this route. Its not like Zatara will unlock even a SINGLE district and put it on a timer when his players are actually on, to actually PROVE he should be getting contracts from corps. Yeah it's not like we didn't leave districts online for hours at a time on purpose for AE and others to attack and defended all but one successfully right? Oh how is NF with leaving districts online if they suppose they have no threats? They have none unlocked. Hypocritical bullshit. Almost as funny as the fact Cubs calls anyone out for locking districts. Fun fact: I told Cubs to unlock the districts during the FE war to fight off the swarm without having to lock indefinitely...and he refused because he didn't want to lose districts to a zerg. Pathetic. Zatara a little advice being a CEO: make a decision, and stick to it. Right or wrong stand by your decision. Your Jekyl and Hyde personality is making you look much worse than I know you to be. Be a man of your word and gain the respect of your clients and adversaries." I'm sure you can delude yourself into thinking that we've changed from mercing out. But i've never declared anywhere to be an empire corp. We've been merc from the beginning. Never owning more than a few districts. Cubs. OF ALL PEOPLE. Your word is the least trustworthy of anyone on the forums. Dude you were claiming TP had only made like 10 bill back in the days of the FEC. Lies seem to be second nature. Cubs. Stahp being a *****. Yup. That's about it. Isn't it about time some alts showed up. -----------------------------end transmission------------------- Cubs lied nuff said. Time to come p with more bullshit! Today Cubs decides to run his mouth. If you want to keep running your mouth we can post pics of the 1 battle you played us, and I can troll you some more for some other fun things.. Or you can stop the bullshit and be reasonable. But we all know the rage will need to manifest itself when once I've so thoroughly busted this gross attempt at meta. I still love my homies in NF and don't like the bullshit trashtalk. Would rather talk about it without the bullshit. But when Cubs decides to wipe and color the forums with it...you have to react. Overall. NF (a whole alliance) has defeated a single corp on a bunch of clone packs. Decides to get cocky when FA tries to solve an issue of people not agreeing to pay NF. It's their call. <3 CEO Fatal Absolution B3RT > PFBHz > TP > MHPD > IMP > F4TAL Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
Timbo101 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 98	Posted - 2014.02.08 17:37:00 - [267] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: Timbo101 wrote: "other thing" Its the clap, isn't it... smh . I told you to stay away from bigolenuts I thought he had it under control. I've made a horrible mistake.
MoonEagle A Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 120	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:04:00 - [268] - Quote *SMH CCP decided to pick this guy as a CPM. Sad. Subsonic was doing fine with our district. We played many friendly as well as unfriendly games. We used our own with only a few occasional Alliance members. Kudos to those willing to fight back and to those who are on board with this nonsense...... I have zero respect for you. Not that you care but there is no honor for you and these thugs.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2609	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:11:00 - [269] - Quote I'm not bothering with this thread, it has descended into idiocy. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2103	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:12:00 - [270] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: I'm not bothering with this thread, it has descended into idiocy. You'll be back trolling is the lifeblood of the WR. CEO Fatal Absolution B3RT > PFBHz > TP > MHPD > IMP > F4TAL Skype me @ Zatara.Rought

ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. 958	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:14:00 - [271] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: I'm not bothering with this thread, it has descended into idiocy. Yeah.. its strange, but this goes to show that creating, monitoring, and/or policing PFC is truly a thankless job.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 806	Posted - 2014.02.08 19:18:00 - [272] - Quote I got more popcorn, continue. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1406	Posted - 2014.02.08 19:35:00 - [273] - Quote Wow, glad I missed most of this conversation. As a note, the people who have actually appeared in the PFC council discussion so far have been supportive of a rule for people not to attack until clones are full. If this rule is implemented, it will pretty much ensure that a district still makes both the weekly fee, and some semblance of income for the corp, every week. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
iOwn AE Glitchers Kinsho Swords Caldari State 55	Posted - 2014.02.08 19:53:00 - [274] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: Did you not just agree with kain on this yesterday????? That's a great question. disappears before he throws some agreement he had under the bus Regardless though...talking **** against your homies in FA isn't cool brah. No need to create drama. Creating drama and burning bridges is my specialty.
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2569	Posted - 2014.02.08 20:18:00 - [275] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Wow, glad I missed most of this conversation. As a note, the people who have actually appeared in the PFC council discussion so far have been supportive of a rule for people not to attack until clones are full. If this rule is implemented, it will pretty much ensure that a district still makes both the weekly fee, and some semblance of income for the corp, every week. Do you even math bro? Explain to me exactly how you can have your cake and eat it to? The goal of PFC is to promote fights for corps that want into PC. Farming, be it for rent or otherwise, was never part of the plan. If corporations are currently farming let's see the evidence and well gget some good ol' fashion mob justice going to turn that district over to someone else. I'll never vote for you. Stop pretending you represent the voice of the council. You represent only those corps least capable of having a district and whom are willing to pay protection money to farm ISK half the week. Your plan is good, but a CPM candidate should have picked a smarter target. Jihad Jeep Proficiency V Red Line Sniper Proficiency III
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2610	Posted - 2014.02.08 20:24:00 - [276] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I'm not bothering with this thread, it has descended into idiocy. You'll be back trolling is the lifeblood of the WR. I iz bak. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 234	Posted - 2014.02.08 21:00:00 - [277] - Quote Burn PFC. It does not need a police force. If you take a district there, be ready to hold it and be ready to fight anyone in the game. Timbo, I never said it was under control. I said do what you do at your own expense. So KEQ hires ringers now? LOL..I can remembering mentioning doing that and I was crucified for it. Oh well, we wll change with the times.
Timbo101 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 101	Posted - 2014.02.08 21:58:00 - [278] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Burn PFC. It does not need a police force. If you take a district there, be ready to hold it and be ready to fight anyone in the game. Timbo, I never said it was under control. I said do what you do at your own expense. So KEQ hires ringers now? LOL..I can remembering mentioning doing that and I was crucified for it. Oh well, we wll change with the times. I know, I know. I got some cream for it and the swelling has gone down. And your right we have changed, squad up with me next time you're on, its gonna be fun
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United The CORVOS 55	Posted - 2014.02.08 22:08:00 - [279] - Quote Some of you people clearly do not understand boolean algebra. If you can stand up against Nyain San, What The French, or any other old time corp. WHAT THE **** ARE YOU DOING IN PFC ! Since CCP as forgot to do entry level mechanics into PC we are taking great length to providing one ourselves by being organized. Being in Oldelulf is NOT A RIGHT in this game. It has strings attached. If you think you can handle the big boys, its time for you to leave. Those that are complaining that they do not want the protection because they can fare by themselves have painted themselves in a corner with a target on their head holding a sign "please remove me from PFC because I am old enough to go play with the mob". You guys seriously need to re-read all yourselves, this is my last comment in this thread I am also grabbing pop corn, because I really enjoy a clown shows !
BRBQQ Healing Pie of Hope 2	Posted - 2014.02.08 22:23:00 - [280] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Wow, glad I missed most of this conversation. As a note, the people who have actually appeared in the PFC council discussion so far have been supportive of a rule for people not to attack until clones are full. If this rule is implemented, it will pretty much ensure that a district still makes both the weekly fee, and some semblance of income for the corp, every week. Do you even math bro? Explain to me exactly how you can have your cake and eat it to? The goal of PFC is to promote fights for corps that want into PC. Farming, be it for rent or otherwise, was never part of the plan. If corporations are currently farming let's see the evidence and well gget some good ol' fashion mob justice going to turn that district over to someone else. I'll never vote for you. Stop pretending you represent the voice of the council. You represent only those corps least capable of having a district and whom are willing to pay protection money to farm ISK half the week. Your plan is good, but a CPM candidate should have picked a smarter target. WAIT ONE SECOND over the past 6 months HOW long was your district full? just how long? probalby 70% of the time.

Judge SoTa PoP Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2014.02.08 23:29:00 - [281] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=141099&find=unread
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2436	Posted - 2014.02.08 23:39:00 - [282] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: Some of you people clearly do not understand boolean algebra. If you can stand up against Nyain San, What The French, or any other old time corp. WHAT THE **** ARE YOU DOING IN PFC ! Since CCP as forgot to do entry level mechanics into PC we are taking great length to providing one ourselves by being organized. Being in Oldelulf is NOT A RIGHT in this game. It has strings attached. If you think you can handle the big boys, its time for you to leave. Those that are complaining that they do not want the protection because they can fare by themselves have painted themselves in a corner with a target on their head holding a sign "please remove me from PFC because I am old enough to go play with the mob". You guys seriously need to re-read all yourselves, this is my last comment in this thread I am also grabbing pop corn, because I really enjoy a clown show ! which PFC corp has said that they can stand up to corps outside of PFC? weRideNDie2getha since 2010
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 813	Posted - 2014.02.08 23:47:00 - [283] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Wow, glad I missed most of this conversation. As a note, the people who have actually appeared in the PFC council discussion so far have been supportive of a rule for people not to attack until clones are full. If this rule is implemented, it will pretty much ensure that a district still makes both the weekly fee, and some semblance of income for the corp, every week. Do you even math bro? Explain to me exactly how you can have your cake and eat it to? The goal of PFC is to promote fights for corps that want into PC. Farming, be it for rent or otherwise, was never part of the plan. If corporations are currently farming let's see the evidence and well gget some good ol' fashion mob justice going to turn that district over to someone else. I'll never vote for you. Stop pretending you represent the voice of the council. You represent only those corps least capable of having a district and whom are willing to pay protection money to farm ISK half the week. Your plan is good, but a CPM candidate should have picked a smarter target. Please do not include DF in the "least capable" category. Can you Defend against NS,FA,DDB if they brought their A team? I don't think so. As far as farming isk, we have 5 battles in 7 days, sorry if you feel this way. We can hang with any corp on our level, we pay the insurance so we can continue training with them when the power houses come to town. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1407	Posted - 2014.02.09 02:00:00 - [284] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Wow, glad I missed most of this conversation. As a note, the people who have actually appeared in the PFC council discussion so far have been supportive of a rule for people not to attack until clones are full. If this rule is implemented, it will pretty much ensure that a district still makes both the weekly fee, and some semblance of income for the corp, every week. Do you even math bro? Explain to me exactly how you can have your cake and eat it to? The goal of PFC is to promote fights for corps that want into PC. Farming, be it for rent or otherwise, was never part of the plan. If corporations are currently farming let's see the evidence and well gget some good ol' fashion mob justice going to turn that district over to someone else. I'll never vote for you. Stop pretending you represent the voice of the council. You represent only those corps least capable of having a district and whom are willing to pay protection money to farm ISK half the week. Your plan is good, but a CPM candidate should have picked a smarter target. People seem to agree you should only attack a district with full clones. If that's the case, you should one, or usually two clone regens (About 18 million ISK) during the time you're Under Attack. Now, not all will follow that rule, particularly outside attackers (of which I know are faced frequently on PFC), but it should average out to allowing you to make just enough ISK between fights to cover the bill, and maybe pay for some tanks. In many cases, just due to not losing that many clones, even when we get attack back-to-back, we end up making that much ISK in the interim between fights, just because the game works that way. We're not talking about farming here. As I've said before, I don't really make game decisions based on whether or not they'll get me votes. I make them on what's good for my guys, and the community. I make no money off of this arrangement, but our guys have seen how badly PFC has been handled in the past, and a chump change fee to cover the costs with better management and enforcement is an easy bargain for us. It's worth it. And I truly believe this will give us a better grade of PFC for all of our corps to enjoy. I don't believe I ever said I represent the voice of the council. I serve them. Nobody from your corp has stepped forwards to represent your corp there, so I ask where your dedication is to having that voice in the first place. Even in the case of a corp being able to defend itself, in most cases, the fee is worth it to cover both removal of other corps (providing us a better experience of competitive play) as well as insurance for cases we can't cover. We have no illusions about our ability to protect ourselves from an Ancient Exiles A-team. However, we're fairly confident Negative-Feedback can. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 207	Posted - 2014.02.09 18:57:00 - [285] - Quote Just put down the pitchforks, soak up the tears, get the torches, and burn the mfkr down already. Official Unofficial D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.
Judge SoTa PoP Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 39	Posted - 2014.02.09 21:53:00 - [286] - Quote Spartan MK420 wrote: Just put down the pitchforks, soak up the tears, get the torches, and burn the mfkr down already. I know DL is used to watching districts burn... well, there own. But maybe you guys could chill the blood lust until you can actually win a game? Lol
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 818	Posted - 2014.02.09 23:26:00 - [287] - Quote Judge SoTa PoP wrote: Spartan MK420 wrote: Just put down the pitchforks, soak up the tears, get the torches, and burn the mfkr down already. I know DL is used to watching districts burn... well, there own. But maybe you guys could chill the blood lust until you can actually win a game? Lol All this popcorn is making me fat. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2621	Posted - 2014.02.10 00:29:00 - [288] - Quote One issue is ringers. I believe that so long as its alliance members then this is fine and provided its not abused to pull in better players from a corps alliance purely to win a match ie you don't go replacing members from your corp simply because you can get a better ringer from your alliance. When they are used from your alliance because you need to fill gaps then this is fine. When a corps members are replaced with ringers because they are better then this is a problem. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1411	Posted - 2014.02.10 00:47:00 - [289] - Quote TechMechMeds, it'd actually be really hard to enforce that without having someone watching their team formup for every match. ;) I know in our alliance's case, it isn't a desire to replace anyone in a corp, but that simply the entire alliance is welcome to participate, and people are selected from the overall group. We try to make sure everyone gets in at some point. A lot of times, we actually intentionally pick "newbies first" explicitly, even though our entire team can always use more practice. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2621	Posted - 2014.02.10 00:52:00 - [290] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: TechMechMeds, it'd actually be really hard to enforce that without having someone watching their team formup for every match. ;) I know in our alliance's case, it isn't a desire to replace anyone in a corp, but that simply the entire alliance is welcome to participate, and people are selected from the overall group. We try to make sure everyone gets in at some point. A lot of times, we actually intentionally pick "newbies first" explicitly, even though our entire team can always use more practice. That's true but alliance ringers are important, especially for corps still growing and your alliance operates precisely how ours will as well then in relation to this. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic

TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2621	Posted - 2014.02.10 00:53:00 - [291] - Quote It'd become apparent very quickly if a corp did that as well. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2621	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:04:00 - [292] - Quote We should build the pfc rules on what is good for its purpose and how those will help corps get the training they need and then weed out the abusers, they will show themselves very quickly. Theres no point trying to base rules on countrring abusers in a pre emptive strike because they will find a way anyway but will be recognised very quickly. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2621	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:05:00 - [293] - Quote I'm off now. o7. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2803	Posted - 2014.02.11 17:02:00 - [294] - Quote We would like to thank Valor Coalition for there help and cooperation in peacefully transitioning Swamp Tempo onto PFC. Valor voiced their support for PFC and the PFC council and then their actions proved their words. Octavius, I would also like to thank you personally for your patience as the situation was resolved. I look forward to working with you in the future in PFC matters especially to address some lingering issues in reaching out to the Spanish community on PFC. I happy to announce that PFC council has reached the majority on the planet and look forward to all of PFC joining and participating in the council and in the future activity on PFC. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2678	Posted - 2014.02.11 17:16:00 - [295] - Quote I made a thread thanking valor, I guess I should have put it here as its now buried pretty much lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Rigel Knietzch Valor Coalition 50	Posted - 2014.02.11 17:20:00 - [296] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: I made a thread thanking valor, I guess I should have put it here as its now buried pretty much lol. We are not very active in the forums but it has been noted, send me a mail for when you guys want to skirmish with our new recruits. * Winner of "The Scrubbiest Player in Dust 514"
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2679	Posted - 2014.02.11 17:25:00 - [297] - Quote Rigel Knietzch wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I made a thread thanking valor, I guess I should have put it here as its now buried pretty much lol. We are not very active in the forums but it has been noted, send me a mail for when you guys want to skirmish with our new recruits. Sounds good Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Maximus Stryker Who Are Those Guys 812	Posted - 2014.02.16 17:53:00 - [298] - Quote Epic thread, thanks for the good read. May we live in interesting times. *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
Eugene Killmore Red Star. EoN. 315	Posted - 2014.02.16 18:23:00 - [299] - Quote The corps on PFC are the epitome of everything that is wrong with PC. They are risk adverse care bears with a sense of entitlement so great they had to make a council to build there tiny egos. They have no interest in getting better and 90% will never have districts outside of pfc... Most probably dont even want one tbh. People who support pfc in its current state should be ashamed of ruining the fighting spirit of pfc by encouraging this care bear mentality, where strong corps such as mine are deemed undeseriable for being to agressive. Others sit back and exploit pfc for profit and the community cheers lol "yay for stability" how about "yay for predictability" I would still like a district on pfc so I can scrim and actually maybe break into pc gasp In closing if the council would like to get better please find me a spot on pfc and I will give you all the gud fites you want Space biggie said "More ISK More Problems" Forever repping that Red*Star 666 illuminati thug mafia.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 896	Posted - 2014.02.16 18:34:00 - [300] - Quote Eugene Killmore wrote: The corps on PFC are the epitome of everything that is wrong with PC. They are risk adverse care bears with a sense of entitlement so great they had to make a council to build there tiny egos. They have no interest in getting better and 90% will never have districts outside of pfc... Most probably dont even want one tbh. People who support pfc in its current state should be ashamed of ruining the fighting spirit of pfc by encouraging this care bear mentality, where strong corps such as mine are deemed undeseriable for being to agressive. Others sit back and exploit pfc for profit and the community cheers lol "yay for stability" how about "yay for predictability" I would still like a district on pfc so I can scrim and actually maybe break into pc gasp In closing if the council would like to get better please find me a spot on pfc and I will give you all the gud fites you want Eugene, please stop speaking as if you know the intentions and capabilities of those of us on PFC. If you want a district, go through the proper channeling, but your chest thumping is getting you nowhere fast. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~

Eugene Killmore Red Star. EoN. 315	Posted - 2014.02.16 18:44:00 - [301] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Eugene Killmore wrote: The corps on PFC are the epitome of everything that is wrong with PC. They are risk adverse care bears with a sense of entitlement so great they had to make a council to build there tiny egos. They have no interest in getting better and 90% will never have districts outside of pfc... Most probably dont even want one tbh. People who support pfc in its current state should be ashamed of ruining the fighting spirit of pfc by encouraging this care bear mentality, where strong corps such as mine are deemed undeseriable for being to agressive. Others sit back and exploit pfc for profit and the community cheers lol "yay for stability" how about "yay for predictability" I would still like a district on pfc so I can scrim and actually maybe break into pc gasp In closing if the council would like to get better please find me a spot on pfc and I will give you all the gud fites you want Eugene, please stop speaking as if you know the intentions and capabilities of those of us on PFC. If you want a district, go through the proper channeling, but your chest thumping is getting you nowhere fast. Maybe you are in the 10% that are trying to improve or maybe you are as bad as when I played you guys I couldn't really say at this point. You say go through the proper channels and im saying those channels are as corrupt as wall street bankers. What im really saying is if pfc wanted good fights id already be on it. Are they afraid I will take over? isn't that why you pay kain? If I act out just have him remove me. What is there to lose? Besides matches to me You dont like what I have to say? Stfu and dont read it then... Space biggie said "More ISK More Problems" Forever repping that Red*Star 666 illuminati thug mafia.
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 69	Posted - 2014.02.16 19:19:00 - [302] - Quote Eugene Killmore wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Eugene Killmore wrote: The corps on PFC are the epitome of everything that is wrong with PC. They are risk adverse care bears with a sense of entitlement so great they had to make a council to build there tiny egos. They have no interest in getting better and 90% will never have districts outside of pfc... Most probably dont even want one tbh. People who support pfc in its current state should be ashamed of ruining the fighting spirit of pfc by encouraging this care bear mentality, where strong corps such as mine are deemed undeseriable for being to agressive. Others sit back and exploit pfc for profit and the community cheers lol "yay for stability" how about "yay for predictability" I would still like a district on pfc so I can scrim and actually maybe break into pc gasp In closing if the council would like to get better please find me a spot on pfc and I will give you all the gud fites you want Eugene, please stop speaking as if you know the intentions and capabilities of those of us on PFC. If you want a district, go through the proper channeling, but your chest thumping is getting you nowhere fast. Maybe you are in the 10% that are trying to improve or maybe you are as bad as when I played you guys I couldn't really say at this point. You say go through the proper channels and im saying those channels are as corrupt as wall street bankers. What im really saying is if pfc wanted good fights id already be on it. Are they afraid I will take over? isn't that why you pay kain? If I act out just have him remove me. What is there to lose? Besides matches to me You dont like what I have to say? Stfu and dont read it then... Wow i voted for your corp to come in, you are a seriously butt hurt bunch for a corp high up there in the rankings. Guess its a good thing your childish attitude did'nt make it. You seriously look like a child making a scene in public cause your mother did not buy you that candy. Grow up. If you have such a pair go ahead and impress us, get a district in MH. With that much kills in your board you must be able mercs no ?
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 407	Posted - 2014.02.16 19:26:00 - [303] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: Eugene Killmore wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Eugene Killmore wrote: The corps on PFC are the epitome of everything that is wrong with PC. They are risk adverse care bears with a sense of entitlement so great they had to make a council to build there tiny egos. They have no interest in getting better and 90% will never have districts outside of pfc... Most probably dont even want one tbh. People who support pfc in its current state should be ashamed of ruining the fighting spirit of pfc by encouraging this care bear mentality, where strong corps such as mine are deemed undeseriable for being to agressive. Others sit back and exploit pfc for profit and the community cheers lol "yay for stability" how about "yay for predictability" I would still like a district on pfc so I can scrim and actually maybe break into pc gasp In closing if the council would like to get better please find me a spot on pfc and I will give you all the gud fites you want Eugene, please stop speaking as if you know the intentions and capabilities of those of us on PFC. If you want a district, go through the proper channeling, but your chest thumping is getting you nowhere fast. Maybe you are in the 10% that are trying to improve or maybe you are as bad as when I played you guys I couldn't really say at this point. You say go through the proper channels and im saying those channels are as corrupt as wall street bankers. What im really saying is if pfc wanted good fights id already be on it. Are they afraid I will take over? isn't that why you pay kain? If I act out just have him remove me. What is there to lose? Besides matches to me You dont like what I have to say? Stfu and dont read it then... Wow i voted for your corp to come in, you are a seriously butt hurt bunch for a corp high up there in the rankings. Guess its a good thing your childish attitude did'nt make it. You seriously look like a child making a scene in public cause your mother did not buy you that candy. Grow up. If you have such a pair go ahead and impress us, get a district in MH. With that much kills in your board you must be able mercs no ? yeah we've been trying.... or did you forget that PFC is in MH.... -Luck is just one of my skills Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
Eugene Killmore Red Star. EoN. 315	Posted - 2014.02.16 19:26:00 - [304] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: Eugene Killmore wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Eugene Killmore wrote: The corps on PFC are the epitome of everything that is wrong with PC. They are risk adverse care bears with a sense of entitlement so great they had to make a council to build there tiny egos. They have no interest in getting better and 90% will never have districts outside of pfc... Most probably dont even want one tbh. People who support pfc in its current state should be ashamed of ruining the fighting spirit of pfc by encouraging this care bear mentality, where strong corps such as mine are deemed undeseriable for being to agressive. Others sit back and exploit pfc for profit and the community cheers lol "yay for stability" how about "yay for predictability" I would still like a district on pfc so I can scrim and actually maybe break into pc gasp In closing if the council would like to get better please find me a spot on pfc and I will give you all the gud fites you want Eugene, please stop speaking as if you know the intentions and capabilities of those of us on PFC. If you want a district, go through the proper channeling, but your chest thumping is getting you nowhere fast. Maybe you are in the 10% that are trying to improve or maybe you are as bad as when I played you guys I couldn't really say at this point. You say go through the proper channels and im saying those channels are as corrupt as wall street bankers. What im really saying is if pfc wanted good fights id already be on it. Are they afraid I will take over? isn't that why you pay kain? If I act out just have him remove me. What is there to lose? Besides matches to me You dont like what I have to say? Stfu and dont read it then... Wow i voted for your corp to come in, you are a seriously butt hurt bunch for a corp high up there in the rankings. Guess its a good thing your childish attitude did'nt make it. You seriously look like a child making a scene in public cause your mother did not buy you that candy. Grow up. If you have such a pair go ahead and impress us, get a district in MH. With that much kills in your board you must be able mercs no ? If you haven't noticed all of mh is locked durrrrrr Space biggie said "More ISK More Problems" Forever repping that Red*Star 666 illuminati thug mafia.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 491	Posted - 2014.02.16 19:41:00 - [305] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: Eugene Killmore wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Eugene Killmore wrote: The corps on PFC are the epitome of everything that is wrong with PC. They are risk adverse care bears with a sense of entitlement so great they had to make a council to build there tiny egos. They have no interest in getting better and 90% will never have districts outside of pfc... Most probably dont even want one tbh. People who support pfc in its current state should be ashamed of ruining the fighting spirit of pfc by encouraging this care bear mentality, where strong corps such as mine are deemed undeseriable for being to agressive. Others sit back and exploit pfc for profit and the community cheers lol "yay for stability" how about "yay for predictability" I would still like a district on pfc so I can scrim and actually maybe break into pc gasp In closing if the council would like to get better please find me a spot on pfc and I will give you all the gud fites you want Eugene, please stop speaking as if you know the intentions and capabilities of those of us on PFC. If you want a district, go through the proper channeling, but your chest thumping is getting you nowhere fast. Maybe you are in the 10% that are trying to improve or maybe you are as bad as when I played you guys I couldn't really say at this point. You say go through the proper channels and im saying those channels are as corrupt as wall street bankers. What im really saying is if pfc wanted good fights id already be on it. Are they afraid I will take over? isn't that why you pay kain? If I act out just have him remove me. What is there to lose? Besides matches to me You dont like what I have to say? Stfu and dont read it then... Wow i voted for your corp to come in, you are a seriously butt hurt bunch for a corp high up there in the rankings. Guess its a good thing your childish attitude did'nt make it. You seriously look like a child making a scene in public cause your mother did not buy you that candy. Grow up. If you have such a pair go ahead and impress us, get a district in MH. With that much kills in your board you must be able mercs no ? Damn, you voted?! Look, Quebec united is officially in charge of MH now :) Please fix the mic bubble bug...
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 904	Posted - 2014.02.17 00:00:00 - [306] - Quote Eugene Killmore wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Eugene Killmore wrote: The corps on PFC are the epitome of everything that is wrong with PC. They are risk adverse care bears with a sense of entitlement so great they had to make a council to build there tiny egos. They have no interest in getting better and 90% will never have districts outside of pfc... Most probably dont even want one tbh. People who support pfc in its current state should be ashamed of ruining the fighting spirit of pfc by encouraging this care bear mentality, where strong corps such as mine are deemed undeseriable for being to agressive. Others sit back and exploit pfc for profit and the community cheers lol "yay for stability" how about "yay for predictability" I would still like a district on pfc so I can scrim and actually maybe break into pc gasp In closing if the council would like to get better please find me a spot on pfc and I will give you all the gud fites you want Eugene, please stop speaking as if you know the intentions and capabilities of those of us on PFC. If you want a district, go through the proper channeling, but your chest thumping is getting you nowhere fast. Maybe you are in the 10% that are trying to improve or maybe you are as bad as when I played you guys I couldn't really say at this point. You say go through the proper channels and im saying those channels are as corrupt as wall street bankers. What im really saying is if pfc wanted good fights id already be on it. Are they afraid I will take over? isn't that why you pay kain? If I act out just have him remove me. What is there to lose? Besides matches to me You dont like what I have to say? Stfu and dont read it then... Don't remember when you played us Eugene, we didn't have our **** together four months ago, maybe it was then. Remember I lobbied publically for you last week? I can assure you got our vote. To give me such a rude answer when all I was doing was giving you advice, real nice. I used to have the same attitude and it got us nowhere fast. Just chill for awhile, you can't come rushing in here like hittler and expect to be welcomed with hugs n kisses dude... CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Smoky Fingers Red Star. 291	Posted - 2014.02.17 03:28:00 - [307] - Quote I liked Molden Heath fight club better. Proud member of R*s H-Team .69 kdr , I'm Gud at repping . I have adv reps. Saving sp for adv basic light frame I'm gud
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 70	Posted - 2014.02.17 04:16:00 - [308] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: Gelhad Thremyr wrote: Eugene Killmore wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Eugene Killmore wrote: The corps on PFC are the epitome of everything that is wrong with PC. They are risk adverse care bears with a sense of entitlement so great they had to make a council to build there tiny egos. They have no interest in getting better and 90% will never have districts outside of pfc... Most probably dont even want one tbh. People who support pfc in its current state should be ashamed of ruining the fighting spirit of pfc by encouraging this care bear mentality, where strong corps such as mine are deemed undeseriable for being to agressive. Others sit back and exploit pfc for profit and the community cheers lol "yay for stability" how about "yay for predictability" I would still like a district on pfc so I can scrim and actually maybe break into pc gasp In closing if the council would like to get better please find me a spot on pfc and I will give you all the gud fites you want Eugene, please stop speaking as if you know the intentions and capabilities of those of us on PFC. If you want a district, go through the proper channeling, but your chest thumping is getting you nowhere fast. Maybe you are in the 10% that are trying to improve or maybe you are as bad as when I played you guys I couldn't really say at this point. You say go through the proper channels and im saying those channels are as corrupt as wall street bankers. What im really saying is if pfc wanted good fights id already be on it. Are they afraid I will take over? isn't that why you pay kain? If I act out just have him remove me. What is there to lose? Besides matches to me You dont like what I have to say? Stfu and dont read it then... Wow i voted for your corp to come in, you are a seriously butt hurt bunch for a corp high up there in the rankings. Guess its a good thing your childish attitude did'nt make it. You seriously look like a child making a scene in public cause your mother did not buy you that candy. Grow up. If you have such a pair go ahead and impress us, get a district in MH. With that much kills in your board you must be able mercs no ? Damn, you voted?! Look, Quebec united is officially in charge of MH now :) Bow down before your new one vote emperor...lol
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2846	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:41:00 - [309] - Quote Over the course of last week three districts were defended from illegal flips with over 150 million ISK spent in defense contracts. Perma-lockers and those on PFC for purposes outside of PFC have been removed, and five new corps have been settled on PFC at this time and have begun their training. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Stiddlefaxq Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:57:00 - [310] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Over the course of last week three districts were defended from illegal flips with over 150 million ISK spent in defense contracts. Perma-lockers and those on PFC for purposes outside of PFC have been removed, and five new corps have been settled on PFC at this time and have begun their training. But... But... But... EXTORTION! Mob Boss Kain say it aint so! Why are you providing a service for money instead of busting knee caps? THIS WASNT PART OF THE PLAN.

Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2370	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:16:00 - [311] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Dear members of Planet Fight Club and the Dust Community, It has become clear that the members of Planet Fight Club need to be the ones that establish the rules of engagement for the planet, but require a strong backer to be able to enforce those rules. It is with this in mind that an interim council has been established. The interim council will set the rules of PFC and will vote on violations, and the council's rulings will be enforced by a contract with Negative-Feedback. The external attacks on Planet Fight Club have also continued and it seems several entities would like nothing more than to burn PFC to the ground. With Molden Heath locked down PFC is the last bastion of competitive play in the region and must be maintained. With this in mind Negative-FeedbackGÇÖs contract with PFC will include taking steps to remove corporations that lock their districts and place new corporations on PFC in consultation with the Fight Club Council. With the need of maintaining PFC and the backing of the council, the members of PFC will contribute weekly to fund that will maintain the PFC contract with Negative-Feedback and be used to finance actions requested by the council and to maintain PFC. One week from this announcement will be allowed before the weekly deposit goes into effect so that the council can establish itself and the needed procedures put in place. The following will be members of the interim council: Council Administrator: Soraya Xel District 01 - Venezuela CORP District 03 - Hellstorm Inc District 04 - Death Firm District 06 - Granite Mercenary Division District 11 - Forsaken Immortals District 14 - Subsonic Synthesis District 15 - The Generals Distirct 16 - G I A N T District 18 - Ultramarine Corp District 20 - Quebec United District 23 - Escrow Removal and Acquisition (non-voting) District 24 - Da Short Buss I look forward to more members joining the council as its work progresses. During this interim period resources will be made available to help organize the council and provide the tools so votes can be carried out. This is an ambitious project that will face many perils, but PFC is worth it. Please update with current corps on the council. Listen I'll change the song every week
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1526	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:42:00 - [312] - Quote Current status based on current state of Oddelulf. Note that there are a couple representatives from some corps in process of getting on it, just needing to verify their identities or such, and some of the non-English-speaking corps are compliant and even reachable, but language issues have been a hindrance. We're getting a translator involved. Venezuela CORP, DUST BRASIL S.A, LATINOS KILLERS CORP, Onslaught Inc, and Swamp Tempo are all part of PFC proper, but not listed as ON COUNCIL for the reasons above. Oddelulf III - District 1Venezuela CORP Oddelulf III - District 2Escrow Removal and Acquisition Oddelulf III - District 3Hellstorm Inc (ON COUNCIL) Oddelulf III - District 4Death Firm. (ON COUNCIL) Oddelulf III - District 5Grupo de Asalto Chacal (ON COUNCIL) Oddelulf III - District 6Granite Mercenary Division (ON COUNCIL) Oddelulf III - District 7What The French Academie Oddelulf III - District 8Rebelion TLC. Oddelulf III - District 9Science For Death Oddelulf III - District 10 The Phoenix Federation (ON COUNCIL) Oddelulf III - District 11 Forsaken Immortals (ON COUNCIL) Oddelulf III - District 12 MEN IN BLACK OPS Oddelulf III - District 13 Zero-Day Attack Oddelulf III - District 14 DUST BRASIL S.A Oddelulf III - District 15 The Generals (ON COUNCIL) Oddelulf III - District 16 G I A N T (ON COUNCIL) Oddelulf III - District 17 LATINOS KILLERS CORP Oddelulf III - District 18 Ultramarine Corp (ON COUNCIL) Oddelulf III - District 19 Onslaught Inc Oddelulf III - District 20 Quebec United (ON COUNCIL) Oddelulf III - District 21 Legions of Infinite Dominion Oddelulf III - District 22 Swamp Tempo Oddelulf III - District 23 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Oddelulf III - District 24 Da Short Buss (ON COUNCIL) I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Stiddlefaxq Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 17	Posted - 2014.02.19 19:28:00 - [313] - Quote 50% is good progress. 50% also represents a quorum in my eyes.
Maximus Stryker Who Are Those Guys 813	Posted - 2014.02.19 19:39:00 - [314] - Quote Interesting *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1528	Posted - 2014.02.19 19:50:00 - [315] - Quote Stiddlefaxq wrote: 50% is good progress. 50% also represents a quorum in my eyes. If you count the folks who are involved, but we just haven't gotten all the the Is dotted and Ts crossed, we're actually at two-thirds. Some of the mentioned parties have already contributed to discussions and such, but just haven't gotten registered fully on the Council board yet. As a note, there's a vote thread up right now, so if you're on the council, you should check it. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Moorian Flav Ectype Inc. 142	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:35:00 - [316] - Quote Just curious: So is either of the 2 ERA districts up for bidding or are those districts intended for someone else? I don't troll; I tell the truth.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2865	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:05:00 - [317] - Quote 1 ERA district is for enforcement the other is being held until it's original owner can retake it due to an accidental flip by Valor. If you would like that we can add you to the council's waiting list for PFC. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2742	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:20:00 - [318] - Quote I am swamps rep, kain iv not bbeen able to get on to pay rent. Got a ps4 and bf4 is 86% installed, it takes ages, fking aaaaages. o7 Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Rigel Knietzch Valor Coalition 70	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:11:00 - [319] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Stiddlefaxq wrote: 50% is good progress. 50% also represents a quorum in my eyes. If you count the folks who are involved, but we just haven't gotten all the the Is dotted and Ts crossed, we're actually at two-thirds. Some of the mentioned parties have already contributed to discussions and such, but just haven't gotten registered fully on the Council board yet. As a note, there's a vote thread up right now, so if you're on the council, you should check it. Soraya, if you need a translator let me know, I'm bilingual and have the CEOs of Dust Brazil and Latinos Killer in my Facebook as well ties with rebellion, MIB, and other Spanish speaking corps. * Winner of "The Scrubbiest Player in Dust 514"
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1540	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:12:00 - [320] - Quote TechMechMeds, you need to follow the instructions on the second post of this thread so you can represent your corp in the council area. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate

Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1540	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:13:00 - [321] - Quote Rigel Knietzch wrote: Sprays, if you need a translator let me know, I'm bilingual and have the CEOs of Dust Brazil and Latinos Killer in my Facebook as well ties with rebellion and other Spanish speaking corps. This would be really helpful. Neither of those corps has gotten set up to access the Council area yet. If you want to follow the same instructions to register on that board and send the required in-game mail to verify the account, we can get you non-voting access as well. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Rigel Knietzch Valor Coalition 70	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:17:00 - [322] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Rigel Knietzch wrote: Sprays, if you need a translator let me know, I'm bilingual and have the CEOs of Dust Brazil and Latinos Killer in my Facebook as well ties with rebellion and other Spanish speaking corps. This would be really helpful. Neither of those corps has gotten set up to access the Council area yet. If you want to follow the same instructions to register on that board and send the required in-game mail to verify the account, we can get you non-voting access as well. I have several responsibilities whiting V-C, but I can serve as translator, nothing more, nothing less. Most of the Spanish speaking corps already know me and we are in contact very often. * Winner of "The Scrubbiest Player in Dust 514"
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1544	Posted - 2014.02.21 09:06:00 - [323] - Quote Happy to state that we're up to having representatives for 16 corps on the PFC Council board. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2871	Posted - 2014.02.21 19:23:00 - [324] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Happy to state that we're up to having representatives for 16 corps on the PFC Council board. Pending some enforcement action and some negotiations I expect we will close to 90% participation by early March. I'm very impressed with how quickly the council has moved to organize itself and even begin the process of voting on their own rules to govern their planet. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 376	Posted - 2014.02.22 20:48:00 - [325] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Pending some enforcement action. I'm very impressed with how quickly the council has moved to organize itself. Yes,and the threat of being forcefully removed from PC had nothing to do with it. Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Scrappy Bernard Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:26:00 - [326] - Quote I'd like to petition for Science for Death to be reinstated on PFC
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1561	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:43:00 - [327] - Quote Scrappy Bernard wrote: I'd like to petition for Science for Death to be reinstated on PFC Science for Death can ask to be added to the waiting list like anyone else. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1103	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:46:00 - [328] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Scrappy Bernard wrote: I'd like to petition for Science for Death to be reinstated on PFC Science for Death can ask to be added to the waiting list like anyone else. I don't know why.. but the more you post on these forums, the more I want to shoot you in the face.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1561	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:58:00 - [329] - Quote Hey, it's a random alt trying to stir crud on behalf of a corp who had like six weeks to not be terrible and read the forums and you know, mail someone. And then they were self-locking. I have a very small amount of pity. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate


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