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Posted - 2014.02.03 23:16:00 -
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Spoke briefly with kane earlier today, wer'e all set.
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Posted - 2014.02.04 13:22:00 -
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Speaking for Death Firm,
We have had our district for less than one week and have been engaging in combat and loving it. No worries Ydubbs about extended stays, as soon as Corps are capable and able to capture and maintain combat operations outside PFC, the obvious move would be to give up district to deserving newcomers.
As far as the protection services offered are concerned, we all run our Corps like a business right? Basically that's what the Corporation aspect is, a business. The services offered are nothing more than a good business practice by someone who has the balls to put forces on the line to protect our wishes, I thank them.
Let's say three districts on PFC were simultaneously attacked by a major outside force, the cost for a top notch ringer team is approx 60-90mil isk, depending on who is willing to take your contract. And who's to say they will as they may not trust you for payment? By agreeing with the terms offered, you have GUARANTEED protection from the best the game has in combat forces, once again, good business, saving you money in the long run.
The ISK amount asked per week is peanuts, just play eve for awhile, you'll understand.
No one is saying they are going to take your district if you don't buy the insurance policy, you just won't have the level of protection potentially needed to keep your district from being flipped while your next door neighbor does, and keeps their district.
10mil a week to begin a PC campaign is cheap people, cheap...
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Posted - 2014.02.04 20:49:00 -
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Bud Selig wrote:bigolenuts wrote:Will the monetary budget be made for public viewing? Since it is a collaboration, there should be no numbers to hide, right? Who is in charge of the wallet? I am guessing Kane is. Answers? the owners have voted and passed a team luxury tax. You are in violation of not paying the union your tax for the high payroll. Fun Fact.. Yankees, highest payroll, yet couldn't make the playoffs... rough year for the pinstripes I guess. Yankees blow anyway.
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:00:00 -
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Tim Rapp wrote:I think 10 mill for insurance may be a little high... gotta remember that it's mostly smaller corps wanting to train in pfc not big ones Ten mil is a **** in the ocean for us, we have aggressive fundraising and a tax in our corp that allows for many things. We have also been prepping for this step into PC through PFC for a long time, so paying a weekly fee is something DF was prepared for a long time ago.
Planning, planning, planning, you have to plan your moves in advance so it doesn't hit you and your players as a surprise when you get ready to take that next step.
Do the math on what it would cost to fund ONE district under attack outside PFC. One that was under attack four days a week, buying clones to replenish, paying ringers if needed.
This is a cheap way into PC and training at the top level at the same time.
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:49:00 -
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Tim Rapp wrote:CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:Tim Rapp wrote:I think 10 mill for insurance may be a little high... gotta remember that it's mostly smaller corps wanting to train in pfc not big ones Ten mil is a **** in the ocean for us, we have aggressive fundraising and a tax in our corp that allows for many things. We have also been prepping for this step into PC through PFC for a long time, so paying a weekly fee is something DF was prepared for a long time ago. Planning, planning, planning, you have to plan your moves in advance so it doesn't hit you and your players as a surprise when you get ready to take that next step. Do the math on what it would cost to fund ONE district under attack outside PFC. One that was under attack four days a week, buying clones to replenish, paying ringers if needed. This is a cheap way into PC and training at the top level at the same time. Your right we didn't plan for this because we didn't think of this... but think about it you have 60 members and a 25% tax rate, we have 40 members and a 10% tax rate. So even if you had a 10% tax you'd make more than us but you have 25% tax, more than double of ours because we don't believe in robbing our members blind. And fyi we have been attacked by several outside corps trying to take our district from us even though we are in pfc so we know what it is like I'm just trying to help you learn from our past mistakes, not arguing. Our tax rate is what it is not to rob our players, but because we know it is VERY expensive to run a successful military campaign. We tried PC once before, we were not ready as a corp, and especially in the wallet dept. We have the tax where it is to do what we planned on months ago. All players understand why it is what it is.
I can give you some ideas on fund raising sometime, some that have worked very well for us in the past. Hit me with a mail if you want.
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Posted - 2014.02.04 23:18:00 -
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This little planet sure is getting heated up...
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Posted - 2014.02.04 23:19:00 -
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Grabbing popcorn.
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Posted - 2014.02.06 00:57:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Too many rules are gonna make things complicating... I've listed almost all the issues that are there. Not very difficult and doesn't require so much of arguments. It is a very simple matter. All we need is people to agree on terms and go on about shooting things and playing the game/// Couldn't agree more, it's getting a little carried away now.
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Posted - 2014.02.06 00:59:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:you aren't understanding my point with the council adding and losing corps in a month or two, thats how long i think you should stay on PFC before you have to give up your spot. The important point: Nobody gives a crud what a Nyain San member thinks should be done on PFC.It doesn't affect you, and it's none of your business. Thank you.
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:11:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:
But the top corps never had a thing like PFC they just took there losses in PC and learned from them they didn't have an thing like PFC back in the day, so all I'm saying is i think this council is a bad idea i feel like its just a way for corps to stay on PFC longer than they should be allowed to stay, like i said 1 to 2 months max on it then you need to go out in MH and try and get a district outside of PFC, you can be allowed back to PFC but you go to the bottom of the list, Alliances only get one district but if the time zone are greatly different two is acceptable but alliances on PFC can't pass district off between thats just not fair to other corps , one more thing i should add is no eve support unless agreed upon
First off, the council is more the capable of setting their own rules and it's about time that they were to set the rules for themselves again. Notice the again part, because PFC was originally founded by the Imperfects and SyNergy as the CRONOS war came to an end. Honestly, we saw no point in wiping CRONOS completely from the map and we all understood that fresh blood in our organizations and PC corps as a whole needed a way to work their way into the system and to become PC ready. Training and friendly PC matches on PFC provided that. PFC originally consisted of corporations from all the major powers in the day and the threat of mutually assured destruction kept PFC in check. The rules were simple (no flipping and no using PFC as a staging ground) and were agreed to by the major powers which set the stage for what PFC has become today and serves as the foundation of the PFC council. This foundation of PFC members setting an agreeing to the rules is something I'm happy to see return. I would also like to thank Soraya for his continued work in providing the needed tools to ensure that the council will operate smoothly. I'm sure the larger powers in Molden Heath and smaller entities that feel as though they have something to prove will continue to threaten PFC and the community spirit of Dust that it represents. Negative-Feedback will continue to stand strong with interim PFC council and the contract that we have with PFC. Im just saying the problem with this council idea with the corps on PFC is that it will always be changing, a new council may set new rules that are different from old ones and just cause confusion Does it cause confusion, or does it bring fresh ideas to light.
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:21:00 -
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There is way too much talk about the council's business going on in open forums, beginning to lead to arguments with some extremely powerful inquiring players.
I am going to refrain from any futher comment at this time as we haven't had our first meeting yet, everything is just heresay at this point.
I would advise any other council members to disengage argument at this time, because until we have a meeting and have concrete proposals and rules, we are all talking out our azzes and are only causing aggravation, not good politics.
Stop all public jibber jabber before PFC becomes the breeding point for a small war...
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Posted - 2014.02.06 12:37:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote:Soraya Xel wrote: On the contrary, most of the posts from members of those larger corps indicate a distinct lack of respect for PFC, from everything I have seen.
bigolenuts wrote:Burn PFC to the ground and use the ashes for something useful. Many AE members and past directors(maybe even current) have expressed similar opinions. Fact is that PFC was most successful when we were overseeing it. It will be more successful when PFC is running PFC. The proposed structure will help solve many of the problems associated with the past iterations. 1. It is a lot of work to run PFC. By splitting the enforcement and rulemaking roles, it will make it easier on all parties and they will be more apt to follow through on their duties. Members will be more likely to take part in a system that they control. 2. PFC has been an ISK farming ground since its inception. By having a fee associated with occupying the space, it will make members less likely to fall into that trap. 3. More democratic rule with less threat of force and better protection. The rules will finally be made by those playing the matches. And NF WILL be there to enforce them and protect them. Why NF? Our record is unblemished as far as contract fulfillment goes. We may have lost battles when not given proper resources(Clone pack attacks against top teams), but we always show up and we always do what we say we will. Cubs and Kane are trustworthy. If they say they are going to do something, they do it. Both of them have taken an active interest in promoting small independent corporations in the past. A whole area of MH was dedicated to indie corps when EoN. was on top. Kane has been moving corps into PC throughout it's existence. To protect Fight Club, you have to be able to compete with all teams. NF can do that. There are only 2 or 3 alternatives, none of which seem to be stepping into the role besides AE. And I ask you: What has AE ever done for the small guy? To answer the question "what has AE ever done for the small guy?"
In DF's early days they helped us out A LOT. I still have friends there and will always be greatful for the help they gave us when we needed it, and they asked for nothing in return. o7...
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Posted - 2014.02.06 21:00:00 -
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Ghostt Shadoww wrote:Big ol nuts said it himself just look at his post if Pfc is a cash crop then it's going to be a fight for it.
And cubs I never said I spoke with you I said would like to speak with you. But bro 150 mill for a district 10 mill a week from 24 corps on PFC . That's what's 240 mill a week plus the 150 mill they paid for the district plus you all said in the rules if you need more money to defend or whatever then that should be given also maybe I'm wrong on that part but you get the point
If I take Pfc districts and NF comes after me to take it back
1 ... How they will be locked
2.. You get 240 mill a week why would you take more money from Pfc people for example to take me out
It's a cash crop people...and it belongs to PC
You want to practice go play factional
I'm done replying in this thread I have said the facts ...cubs please bro...this is your cash pot buddy plain and simple
It's going back to PC bud people have factional now be happy for that ff is on. Go que sync
And last thought no one touched on escrow owns 3 districts and have a Pfc district isn't escrow part of you cubs maybe I'm wrong I don't know but they have 3 districts and have a Pfc and HellStorm come on man how long they going to stay in Pfc another 6 months seems like they been there a year already lmao
Pfc is a joke...it is in Malden Heath you guys are making 240 mill a week plus the 150 mill times 24 that everyone had to pay
Lmao...um cash crop...
No bro enough with the free ride and the scams...that one guy on page 3 I think said it so cool wi his post on how slick nf made it look for the community
I'm to smart for that again...10 mill a week 24 districts that's 240 mill a week plus 150 mill for each district plus if you guys fight and need more money they have to give it to you cuz the 240 mill a week is not enough..lol
No disrespect cubs u want to join up in the war great . You want to sit back and watch and pick up the pieces after then fine whatever
But Pfc is going back to PC everyone it belongs to PC community not a place for nf to get rich and have no big corps or alliances coming after you
Yeah no try again...not on my watch why should I let you all get rich off of a scam....Nahhh I'd rather take it
Pfc is over go to factional I see this clown is still talking about the end of the world huh?
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Posted - 2014.02.08 13:23:00 -
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Staying on topic as I have been eating popcorn and watching the drama unfold.
I voted for NF and Others did too, no one is saying NF is going to run out those that do not accept the terms of the offered contract, they just will not have the protection offered.
We have been attacked again by a corp outside of PFC, a very powerful one in fact that I consider top shelf. If I was worried about them flipping our district intentionally I know I have the services of NF to hold my district, we are still building. We have a damn good team for a corp on our level and intend to give them the best fight we can, should be a good learning experience which is what PFC is all about. They have expressed no intent of taking district so a good fight we will have against a superior force, you'll never get better if you play up a level.
This being said, NF did not walk in and take charge by martial law. I knew almost a month ago when I began searching for a PFC district through talking with Kain what his intent was and was supportive since the beginning as his intent is honourable. We have had our district for seven days and battle five is coming up, learning a lot already and getting stronger.
Please let's have a couple meetings as a council so all the facts can be straight so all the complaining can stop. Next time you get ready to complain if you have a PFC district, ask yourself this question and answer it honestly,
Can I defend my district if NS, ML, DDB, AE, came knocking with their A team to take my district?
If you answered yes to this question then please go quietly about your business and let the rest of us who understand the reality go quietly about ours and exist as neighbors on our happy planet.
And stop carrying on this thread in public as some info should be left behind closed doors.
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Posted - 2014.02.08 19:18:00 -
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I got more popcorn, continue.
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:47:00 -
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Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Wow, glad I missed most of this conversation.
As a note, the people who have actually appeared in the PFC council discussion so far have been supportive of a rule for people not to attack until clones are full. If this rule is implemented, it will pretty much ensure that a district still makes both the weekly fee, and some semblance of income for the corp, every week. Do you even math bro? Explain to me exactly how you can have your cake and eat it to? The goal of PFC is to promote fights for corps that want into PC. Farming, be it for rent or otherwise, was never part of the plan. If corporations are currently farming let's see the evidence and well gget some good ol' fashion mob justice going to turn that district over to someone else. I'll never vote for you. Stop pretending you represent the voice of the council. You represent only those corps least capable of having a district and whom are willing to pay protection money to farm ISK half the week. Your plan is good, but a CPM candidate should have picked a smarter target. Please do not include DF in the "least capable" category. Can you Defend against NS,FA,DDB if they brought their A team? I don't think so. As far as farming isk, we have 5 battles in 7 days, sorry if you feel this way.
We can hang with any corp on our level, we pay the insurance so we can continue training with them when the power houses come to town.
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Posted - 2014.02.09 23:26:00 -
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Judge SoTa PoP wrote:Spartan MK420 wrote:Just put down the pitchforks, soak up the tears, get the torches, and burn the mfkr down already. I know DL is used to watching districts burn... well, there own. But maybe you guys could chill the blood lust until you can actually win a game? Lol All this popcorn is making me fat.
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Posted - 2014.02.16 18:34:00 -
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Eugene Killmore wrote:The corps on PFC are the epitome of everything that is wrong with PC. They are risk adverse care bears with a sense of entitlement so great they had to make a council to build there tiny egos. They have no interest in getting better and 90% will never have districts outside of pfc... Most probably dont even want one tbh. People who support pfc in its current state should be ashamed of ruining the fighting spirit of pfc by encouraging this care bear mentality, where strong corps such as mine are deemed undeseriable for being to agressive. Others sit back and exploit pfc for profit and the community cheers lol "yay for stability" how about "yay for predictability" I would still like a district on pfc so I can scrim and actually maybe break into pc *gasp* In closing if the council would like to get better please find me a spot on pfc and I will give you all the gud fites you want Eugene, please stop speaking as if you know the intentions and capabilities of those of us on PFC. If you want a district, go through the proper channeling, but your chest thumping is getting you nowhere fast.
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Posted - 2014.02.17 00:00:00 -
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Eugene Killmore wrote:CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:Eugene Killmore wrote:The corps on PFC are the epitome of everything that is wrong with PC. They are risk adverse care bears with a sense of entitlement so great they had to make a council to build there tiny egos. They have no interest in getting better and 90% will never have districts outside of pfc... Most probably dont even want one tbh. People who support pfc in its current state should be ashamed of ruining the fighting spirit of pfc by encouraging this care bear mentality, where strong corps such as mine are deemed undeseriable for being to agressive. Others sit back and exploit pfc for profit and the community cheers lol "yay for stability" how about "yay for predictability" I would still like a district on pfc so I can scrim and actually maybe break into pc *gasp* In closing if the council would like to get better please find me a spot on pfc and I will give you all the gud fites you want Eugene, please stop speaking as if you know the intentions and capabilities of those of us on PFC. If you want a district, go through the proper channeling, but your chest thumping is getting you nowhere fast. Maybe you are in the 10% that are trying to improve or maybe you are as bad as when I played you guys I couldn't really say at this point. You say go through the proper channels and im saying those channels are as corrupt as wall street bankers. What im really saying is if pfc wanted good fights id already be on it. Are they afraid I will take over? isn't that why you pay kain? If I act out just have him remove me. What is there to lose? Besides matches to me You dont like what I have to say? Stfu and dont read it then... Don't remember when you played us Eugene, we didn't have our **** together four months ago, maybe it was then. Remember I lobbied publically for you last week? I can assure you got our vote. To give me such a rude answer when all I was doing was giving you advice, real nice.
I used to have the same attitude and it got us nowhere fast. Just chill for awhile, you can't come rushing in here like hittler and expect to be welcomed with hugs n kisses dude...
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