There is way too much talk about the council's business going on in open forums, beginning to lead to arguments with some extremely powerful inquiring players.

I am going to refrain from any futher comment at this time as we haven't had our first meeting yet, everything is just heresay at this point.

I would advise any other council members to disengage argument at this time, because until we have a meeting and have concrete proposals and rules, we are all talking out our azzes and are only causing aggravation, not good politics.

Stop all public jibber jabber before PFC becomes the breeding point for a small war...

Hey ! Good idea man.
Can you please add What The French Acad+¬mie, district 7.

The weekly payment also ensures that PFC members have skin in the game and a vested interest to insure participation in the council. Members that don't pay into the weekly contract also become easy to identify as members that don't contribute to PFC and are probably better suited to a location in Molden Heath outside of Planet Fight Club

Let me ask this. The contract involves a lot of work and cost. You can earn equivalent or more net income than this contract brings in by holding districts yourself. You can make much more ISK than this contract offers with far less than 24 districts to defend. As AE and Nyain, for example, both easily have district holdings that dwarf this project, what is the likelihood they could offer a competing rate to N-F's that's worthwhile to them? I would pose that the above mentioned groups may not find the dynamic as valuable, as their existing means of district income is more profitable. Particularly if they have to compete on pricing with N-F's offer.

First off, the council is more the capable of setting their own rules and it's about time that they were to set the rules for themselves again. Notice the again part, because PFC was originally founded by the Imperfects and SyNergy as the CRONOS war came to an end. Honestly, we saw no point in wiping CRONOS completely from the map and we all understood that fresh blood in our organizations and PC corps as a whole needed a way to work their way into the system and to become PC ready. Training and friendly PC matches on PFC provided that.

PFC originally consisted of corporations from all the major powers in the day and the threat of mutually assured destruction kept PFC in check. The rules were simple (no flipping and no using PFC as a staging ground) and were agreed to by the major powers which set the stage for what PFC has become today and serves as the foundation of the PFC council. This foundation of PFC members setting an agreeing to the rules is something I'm happy to see return.

I would also like to thank Soraya for his continued work in providing the needed tools to ensure that the council will operate smoothly. I'm sure the larger powers in Molden Heath and smaller entities that feel as though they have something to prove will continue to threaten PFC and the community spirit of Dust that it represents. Negative-Feedback will continue to stand strong with interim PFC council and the contract that we have with PFC.

On most counts, roughly half of PFC was being used as intended at any given time. The work of the Council should ensure that we no longer see issues where our guys don't know who to fight with their PFC district because there's nobody to fight. The protection contract, paid in by all members, will allow us to be well protected from the variety of people who have made it clear they think PFC should die.

Realistically, HowDidThatTaste, I'd suggest that once CCP fixes their stuff, PC landowners will be far too busy actually defending the districts they'd been holding without risk via district locking to irritate PFC. And I'd suggest going after PFC corps remains a "**** move", that should earn someone some manner of community shame for engaging in. Not that there are many people left who have spotless records in that manner. ;)

And then I would say you do not need to pay a corp for protection and PFC stay as a charity, respected by most larger corps like it has up to this point.

On the contrary, most of the posts from members of those larger corps indicate a distinct lack of respect for PFC, from everything I have seen.

And I actually think there might be some merit to a maintenance cost actually encouraging people to only remain on PFC as long as they are getting value (i.e. fights) out of it. My recommendation to CCP for PC as a whole, in fact, would be to make maintaining districts cost money, so people claim what they need, rather than trying to take and hold the entirety of MH.

Oh I agree I see the merit of a maintenance fee to encourage the proper use of PFC, but as it has been left to the most powerful corps up to this point to regulate at their discretion PFC it would infer that that corp will be the one that collects the PFC protection fund. Which means it will encourage corps to fight for that planets protection fund revenue stream, and guess what districts they will be using for those fights?

Absolutely brilliant strategy by Negative Feedback.

My hats are off to you gentleman. You have put in place a system that generates political goodwill towards your alliance, economic gain in the form of willingly paid weekly GÇ£protectionGÇ¥ money and likely also additional funds for initial placement, future allies and resources, while also creating little to no real risk for yourselves. If corps should decide they donGÇÖt need protection IGÇÖm sure itGÇÖs easy enough to find a third party to remind them of its benefits.

Even better you have given those paying the GÇ£protectionGÇ¥ money the illusion that they have real control and a say in matters by using this council set-up while also recruiting useful idiots to do a majority of the legwork and propaganda such as Soraya Xel who does it believing that showing leadership in this is a way to get himself elected to CPM1 instead of the reality which is playing that fool and selling all of you in to slavery.

Well played NF, Well played. - O7

On the contrary, most of the posts from members of those larger corps indicate a distinct lack of respect for PFC, from everything I have seen.

Burn PFC to the ground and use the ashes for something useful.

Many AE members and past directors(maybe even current) have expressed similar opinions.

Fact is that PFC was most successful when we were overseeing it.

It will be more successful when PFC is running PFC.
The proposed structure will help solve many of the problems associated with the past iterations.

1. It is a lot of work to run PFC. By splitting the enforcement and rulemaking roles, it will make it easier on all parties and they will be more apt to follow through on their duties. Members will be more likely to take part in a system that they control.

2. PFC has been an ISK farming ground since its inception. By having a fee associated with occupying the space, it will make members less likely to fall into that trap.

3. More democratic rule with less threat of force and better protection. The rules will finally be made by those playing the matches. And NF WILL be there to enforce them and protect them.


Why NF?

Our record is unblemished as far as contract fulfillment goes. We may have lost battles when not given proper resources(Clone pack attacks against top teams), but we always show up and we always do what we say we will.

Cubs and Kane are trustworthy. If they say they are going to do something, they do it. Both of them have taken an active interest in promoting small independent corporations in the past. A whole area of MH was dedicated to indie corps when EoN. was on top. Kane has been moving corps into PC throughout it's existence.

To protect Fight Club, you have to be able to compete with all teams. NF can do that. There are only 2 or 3 alternatives, none of which seem to be stepping into the role besides AE. And I ask you: What has AE ever done for the small guy?

My bad...one more thing....negative feedback...i mean no disrespect. Im only saying this is because I dont want to disrespect cubs and team players is negative feed back...im trying to prove to cubs i can do this and to join us with a common enemy. Just understand this is war and if you Sir cubs was at war you wouod do the same im sure. Dont worry ill give pfc back to the people after the war...if pfc should even stay around i honestly dont see the need. Go to pc and get your @ss beat and learn the hard way start off with a small corp. All pfc does is just a cash crop for someone for that i say just keep it open in pc...see what happens after thr war...

Anyways Cubs...this is war bud ...dont know if u involved still in pfc but i hve a war brewin bud.... o7

With that said...im coming oddelof, my bad if i splled it wrong :-)

You not affraid. Thats awesome wasnt trying to scare you.

And negative cant do anything no one can. Its called lock the district.

So there is no way for you to get it back im going to keep them all locked till the war which obviously i wont be abe to lock it ever again inckuding everyone else.

So sorry your wrong. Negative feedback cant do anything to a district that os locked forever ...have you looked at thevstar map latley...everyone is locked except pfc. You think anyone is going to go online with a war comng....

Listen im not scaring no one. Im taking the districts before AE does and im locking them till war time (new update) and nobone can do anything about so es get real shut up

And yes im gking to take the districts and ask cubs to join me cuz im aking them for war reasons. He smart and a vet he knows how this all works...see you soon

Your a little late bud. On the next update is when you will never ever be able to lock districts again. Not 2.0 but now in march...read my war room post about attacking AE it will make more sense for you

Everything is locked everywhere and is going to stay that way. Incase you havent noticed all the big corps have been looking at pfc as another source of income. So before they take it i need to. I dont expect you to understand you are a gamer not ex military.This is sstrategy and smart since a war is coming. And its pfc why would I want a corp in pfc to join the coalition. Look bud like i told you in the other thread if i dont they will. Open your eyes 1.8 is the biggest update in dust. And its going to change a lot of things around especially for the pc world. I think its time for pfc to go away for awhile. You want to train then go que sync a factional. And stop getting rich off of pfc..all us big dogs know its a cash crop. Go somewhere else with that mess. Pfc needs to be open to pc again practice in factioal pfc is over

Many AE members and past directors(maybe even current) have expressed similar opinions.

Fact is that PFC was most successful when we were overseeing it.

It will be more successful when PFC is running PFC.
The proposed structure will help solve many of the problems associated with the past iterations.

1. It is a lot of work to run PFC. By splitting the enforcement and rulemaking roles, it will make it easier on all parties and they will be more apt to follow through on their duties. Members will be more likely to take part in a system that they control.

2. PFC has been an ISK farming ground since its inception. By having a fee associated with occupying the space, it will make members less likely to fall into that trap.

3. More democratic rule with less threat of force and better protection. The rules will finally be made by those playing the matches. And NF WILL be there to enforce them and protect them.


Why NF?

Our record is unblemished as far as contract fulfillment goes. We may have lost battles when not given proper resources(Clone pack attacks against top teams), but we always show up and we always do what we say we will.

Cubs and Kane are trustworthy. If they say they are going to do something, they do it. Both of them have taken an active interest in promoting small independent corporations in the past. A whole area of MH was dedicated to indie corps when EoN. was on top. Kane has been moving corps into PC throughout it's existence.

To protect Fight Club, you have to be able to compete with all teams. NF can do that. There are only 2 or 3 alternatives, none of which seem to be stepping into the role besides AE. And I ask you: What has AE ever done for the small guy?

Kain Spero wrote:
I would also like to thank Soraya for his continued work in providing the needed tools to ensure that the council will operate smoothly. I'm sure the larger powers in Molden Heath and smaller entities that feel as though they have something to prove will continue to threaten PFC and the community spirit of Dust that it represents. Negative-Feedback will continue to stand strong with interim PFC council and the contract that we have with PFC.

Kain Spero wrote:
The weekly payment also ensures that PFC members have skin in the game and a vested interest to insure participation in the council. Members that don't pay into the weekly contract also become easy to identify as members that don't contribute to PFC and are probably better suited to a location in Molden Heath outside of Planet Fight Club

Common- Sense wrote:
Even better you have given those paying the GÇ£protectionGÇ¥ money the illusion that they have real control and a say in matters by using this council set-up while also recruiting useful idiots to do a majority of the legwork and propaganda such as Soraya Xel who does it believing that showing leadership in this is a way to get himself elected to CPM1 instead of the reality which is playing that fool and selling all of you in to slavery.