What is your part in pfc shiyou so I know who I'm speaking to.

Okay. I guess that's kinda sad, but I don't really decide how to play DUST based on how many votes it will get me. I do what I feel is best for my alliance and the community at large. PFC gives a lot more players a chance to play than the rest of PC does, and that's why I support it.

Also, note that while PFC in the past was a bit of a New Eden anomaly, being a "charity" of sorts, this new model is more akin to a renter system in EVE. In New Eden, generally, territory is held by one of two ways: Being strong enough to defend it yourself, or renting it from someone who is. By contract with N-F, PFC should become a beneficial arrangement for all parties involved.

Well, your alliance is no longer being expected to maintain it for free, for one.



Corps who would earnestly like to participate in what PFC is should probably get in touch with us. In my personal "I have no actual vote" opinion, everyone should be able to participate in PFC. PFC being a low-cost environment to get great fights without starting a war or drama, and practice up skills as a team. Personally, I have no inherent issue with corps outside PFC having districts on PFC, but the issue has always been the limitation that PFC is 24 districts, and a desire to prioritize those that "need" it more. If the new PFC model is financially viable, I see no reason PFC couldn't expand beyond the boundaries of Oddelulf itself so more parties could participate, and restrictions on who can and can't get a district could be more relaxed.



I don't feel I insulted Nyain San. On the contrary, my point that to participate outside of PFC, you really need to be capable of defending from a threat like Nyain San, I am actually placing their corp as the gold standard of being an extremely significant threat. It is the amount of threat they pose, in fact, that disconnects them so heavily from what it's like to be one of the many corps that has few good alternatives besides being on PFC. I don't think a month on PFC will give new corps and players enough practice to take on Nyain San. How is that an insult to Nyain San?

My first thought, is that as far as I'm aware, N-F does indeed hire ringers. Perhaps those who don't participate in PFC should consider being a ringer to help defend it. And in that, get paid.

Technically, there's nothing preventing other landowners from attacking PFC, I suppose. Except that N-F will be defending it. That being the reason N-F is getting paid.

Let me ask this. The contract involves a lot of work and cost. You can earn equivalent or more net income than this contract brings in by holding districts yourself. You can make much more ISK than this contract offers with far less than 24 districts to defend. As AE and Nyain, for example, both easily have district holdings that dwarf this project, what is the likelihood they could offer a competing rate to N-F's that's worthwhile to them? I would pose that the above mentioned groups may not find the dynamic as valuable, as their existing means of district income is more profitable. Particularly if they have to compete on pricing with N-F's offer.

On most counts, roughly half of PFC was being used as intended at any given time. The work of the Council should ensure that we no longer see issues where our guys don't know who to fight with their PFC district because there's nobody to fight. The protection contract, paid in by all members, will allow us to be well protected from the variety of people who have made it clear they think PFC should die.

Realistically, HowDidThatTaste, I'd suggest that once CCP fixes their stuff, PC landowners will be far too busy actually defending the districts they'd been holding without risk via district locking to irritate PFC. And I'd suggest going after PFC corps remains a "**** move", that should earn someone some manner of community shame for engaging in. Not that there are many people left who have spotless records in that manner. ;)

On the contrary, most of the posts from members of those larger corps indicate a distinct lack of respect for PFC, from everything I have seen.

And I actually think there might be some merit to a maintenance cost actually encouraging people to only remain on PFC as long as they are getting value (i.e. fights) out of it. My recommendation to CCP for PC as a whole, in fact, would be to make maintaining districts cost money, so people claim what they need, rather than trying to take and hold the entirety of MH.

Many AE members and past directors(maybe even current) have expressed similar opinions.

Fact is that PFC was most successful when we were overseeing it.

It will be more successful when PFC is running PFC.
The proposed structure will help solve many of the problems associated with the past iterations.

1. It is a lot of work to run PFC. By splitting the enforcement and rulemaking roles, it will make it easier on all parties and they will be more apt to follow through on their duties. Members will be more likely to take part in a system that they control.

2. PFC has been an ISK farming ground since its inception. By having a fee associated with occupying the space, it will make members less likely to fall into that trap.

3. More democratic rule with less threat of force and better protection. The rules will finally be made by those playing the matches. And NF WILL be there to enforce them and protect them.


Why NF?

Our record is unblemished as far as contract fulfillment goes. We may have lost battles when not given proper resources(Clone pack attacks against top teams), but we always show up and we always do what we say we will.

Cubs and Kane are trustworthy. If they say they are going to do something, they do it. Both of them have taken an active interest in promoting small independent corporations in the past. A whole area of MH was dedicated to indie corps when EoN. was on top. Kane has been moving corps into PC throughout it's existence.

To protect Fight Club, you have to be able to compete with all teams. NF can do that. There are only 2 or 3 alternatives, none of which seem to be stepping into the role besides AE. And I ask you: What has AE ever done for the small guy?

Aside from Kain's point maybe have FA, TP, Imps, RND, AE, and 0.H each get a district on a planet, who ever controls the full planet first wins sort of a tourney style thing all districts must be on one of 4 timers agreed upon by all parties, sounds like fun tbqh and gives yall something to do.