Well its kind of obvious that once the council has agreed rules they will be published, until then speculation about what the rules are and claiming ISK farming is allowed is merely speculation and I highly doubt farming is going to be allowed it defeats the purpose of PFC completely.

Yeah well I don't see any mention of farming being allowed in this thread.

If by that you mean the fact swamp will use the passive isk gain to launch attacks then you are wrong, it'll be used to launch attacks so we don't use what pc savings we have and can continue to grind pubs to add to it.

You see the logic in that? Why waste saved pc isk to train, getting into pc is the whole point.

I was infact referring to someone else claiming that by the look of it so far ISK farming was allowed and pointing out that it is all speculation until the council meets.

What is your part in pfc shiyou so I know who I'm speaking to.

I really hope your plan can work, I think PFC is important to give new corps the "Taste" of PC.

But i would remind you that you exist at the larger corps discretion, yes having NF police it is great( be glad they are willing to take on that headache )

So diplomacy is still important for PFC members challenging or insulting larger corps could be detrimental to PFC and I would caution against it when many corps already wish to burn it to the ground.

Totally agree with NAV, from our first encouters with death legion we learned alot because we fielded 2 experienced mercs outside our alliance but people with whom we play often. They did not charge a dime and we considered them trainers. If we are to learn, one or two trainers should be acceptable the first x battles to get things booted, NF could even be invited to train each team by fielding on each side. Finally launching attacks on molden heath from a PFC district should be prohibited. It is ill conceived that a corp can corrupt the spirit of the defence contract and while protected, launch hostile actions outside.

Totally agree with NAV, from our first encouters with death legion we learned alot because we fielded 2 experienced mercs outside our alliance but people with whom we play often. They did not charge a dime and we considered them trainers. If we are to learn, one or two trainers should be acceptable the first x battles to get things booted, NF could even be invited to train each team by fielding on each side. Finally launching attacks on molden heath from a PFC district should be prohibited. It is ill conceived that a corp can corrupt the spirit of the defence contract and while protected, launch hostile actions outside.

And as the Council changes, they may choose to vote to change out rules as warranted.

You realize that having legislators make laws doesn't make any less sense because legislators eventually get replaced by other legislators, right?

you aren't understanding my point with the council adding and losing corps in a month or two, thats how long i think you should stay on PFC before you have to give up your spot. As the council changes the rules for PFC may be changed as well, I just feel the rules if they constantly change would just get to confusing to follow, thats why i feel like a outside corp should set the rules for PFC because not one corp is on PFC forever.

I dont see how rules can change that much if they are designed with intelligence and leave any personnal agenda out. Unless we were total idiots when designing them and the community fails to see something wrong and its reported months afterward, you can rest at peace, they should stay set for a rather long time. Now you have to split permanent rules with common affairs. the council still must take some actions to enforce rules. This will not make the rules invalid per see If extraordinary circumstances happens. There will always be a legacy of people instilling the current rules to newcomers, call them temporary conservatives on the council because they will have seen the benefits of the current rules in current affairs. So a newcommer will always face opposition in changing the rules from the existing land owners. Think like in real life, when does an outsider given the authority to change everything in a group from day one ? Almost never, he is forced into viewing things like the group first then he gets his chance to consteuctively change point of view as trust is gained from that outsider.

So fear not, we can do this constructively and have faith in its legacy.

you aren't understanding my point with the council adding and losing corps in a month or two, thats how long i think you should stay on PFC before you have to give up your spot. As the council changes the rules for PFC may be changed as well, I just feel the rules if they constantly change would just get to confusing to follow, thats why i feel like a outside corp should set the rules for PFC because not one corp is on PFC forever.

That is what has happened previously one corp deciding the rule. unfortunately as shown the ones in charge change so the same thing occurs every few months or so the rules change because of the corp in charge changing. With a council however if a set of rules are made then in say a month 3 corps have left and 3 new have joined that does not automatically mean the rules will change the new corps will take over the votes of the old and new rules may appear or they may not. It is not going to be a case of everytime some representatives change the entire rule set changes unless something drastic happens like a change in the mechanics of PC that affect PFC for example.

you aren't understanding my point with the council adding and losing corps in a month or two, thats how long i think you should stay on PFC before you have to give up your spot.

The important point: Nobody gives a crud what a Nyain San member thinks should be done on PFC.

It doesn't affect you, and it's none of your business.

I really hope your plan can work, I think PFC is important to give new corps the "Taste" of PC.

But i would remind you that you exist at the larger corps discretion, yes having NF police it is great( be glad they are willing to take on that headache )

So diplomacy is still important for PFC members challenging or insulting larger corps could be detrimental to PFC and I would caution against it when many corps already wish to burn it to the ground.

The important point: Nobody gives a crud what a Nyain San member thinks should be done on PFC.

It doesn't affect you, and it's none of your business.

You should worry very much about what Nyain San thinks as well as the rest of the forces of Molden Heath are thinking. You seem to forget that there is NO right for Planet Fight Club to exist and it does so only by the grace of the major powers of MH. Powers whom believe in giving smaller corps a chance to develop. Powers whom want Planetary Conquest to succeed and know that only by bringing in new players and new corps that it has a chance to do so.

However, these same powers now watch as PFC becomes a revenue stream for a potential rival with entry and protection fees vs. the act of charity it was to this point. They also watch as this new council and its leader spits in their face and tells them that their good will is no longer needed. NF is a great force and one to be respected and feared. However, if the whole of Molden Heath decides that Planet Fight Club is no longer of value there will be little that can be done to stop the resulting tidal wave.

I respect what you are trying to accomplish here. I really do. But, you would be wise to remember what I have stated before making these kind of statements. Your are running for office. Try being political and perhaps not poking the hibernating bear.

Ok thats a little uncalled for all I'm saying alliances like Top Men, Zero-Day should not be allowed to have multiple district on PFC when our corps probably want a chance to train for pc

What, your corp wants a chance to train for pc and you have more than 20% of molden heath ? Ok................

Did i miss something here..........

Do you seriously need a plan here ? What you have wrote makes no sense at all....

Ok cant write anymore.... Brrr...ain. Fried !