Dear members of the council,

The first round of the maintenance fee is due on Monday by 23:59 UTC. The ISK will need to be sent to Spero Escrow Services. After some discussion with several members of the council, the weekly amount has been set at 8.75 million ISK, which amounts to less than one day of clone generation. If/when PC mechanics are changed in the future the contract with PFC will be readdressed.

This rate paired with the rule under consideration that attacks are only to be launched on full districts should allow PFC districts to remain active while also maintaining financial viability for the district owner to help fund any expenses associate with training operations.

This will also allow Negative-Feedback to ensure the highest quality of service in regards to removing PFC district owners that are locking their districts and place members that will provide a more active and higher quality experience for all of PFC. The weekly maintenance fee also covers any cost associated with providing ringers in the case of an attempt to illegally flip a district either by a PFC member or an external organization. Please notify me at least 24 hours in advance in-game at "Kane Spero" by forwarding your defense notification for any suspected illegal attempts to flip a district. Lastly, if the council votes to remove a member from PFC due to a rules violation or failure to comply with a punitive action ordered by the council, Negative-Feedback will enforce the decision through removal of that corporation from PFC. Negative-Feedback has an experienced team in dealing with locked districts and district locking will not prevent NF from enforcing any needed actions. Also, as a reminder, any PFC member that has not contributed to the weekly maintenance fee will be found in breach of contract and will be scheduled to have another corporation that has a current request in for a PFC district take their place.

Negative-Feedback would like to thank council's cooperation in this matter. We look forward to working with the council and ensuring that PFC reach its full potential.

Sincerely,

Kane Spero

Forlorn as the Executor of Legacy Rising Alliance then you are well aware of the fact that your member corporations have been intentionally perma-locking and farming PFC districts.

I'm sure that Men In Black Ops felt that they could hide behind a 1900 timer and a locked district, but they are being proven wrong. I'm happy that DR Feldersnatch is able to ferry this information to you while leaving out LRA's current exploitation of PFC district 2 since December 22nd of LAST YEAR.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Oddelulf/III-District-2

Email from Kane Spero to all PFC district owners:



Kane,

You have posted this decision without consulting the counsel that has been announced. The "vote" held included 5 people only, and you are now demanding payment from all.

A true governing body, as the one you purport to be, should be giving notices to all members of this counsel and all members should be given an opportunity not only to vote, but to offer debate as well.

The result is that the corporation you own has been "awarded" over 200 million ISK per month for "management" of PFC.

On the surface, one might argue that this is an extortion racket:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extortion_racket

The only way this should be agreed upon is if the majority of all district owners agree to this, and there is transparency as to the purpose of this money. Specifically, the following needs to be made public knowledge:

1. What will this ISK be used for?
2. How does this benefit the community as a whole?
3. How does this benefit the corps/alliances in PFC?

I'm sure others have additional questions, and that I will think of more myself.

If you are prepared to open this decision to all PFC district owners for a full vote (which is the ideal), or at minimum to the members of the counsel, as well as to promise complete transparency for this by allowing the CEO's of each corporation to add an alt to your escow corporation with full Director rights to monitor the use of these funds, then I would be more accepting of this proposal. Given that all would be able to monitor transactions, you would in effect have a self policing force.

I look forward to your reply, and hope you are as open as you have claimed to be.

Sincerely,
Forlorn Destrier
Executor
Legacy Rising Alliance

Forlorn as the Executor of Legacy Rising Alliance then you are well aware of the fact that your member corporations have been intentionally perma-locking and farming PFC districts.

I'm sure that Men In Black Ops felt that they could hide behind a 1900 timer and a locked district, but they are being proven wrong. I'm happy that DR Feldersnatch is able to ferry this information to you while leaving out LRA's current exploitation of PFC district 2 since December 22nd of LAST YEAR.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Oddelulf/III-District-2

Men in Black Ops is new to alliance - I am not accountable for anything that happened prior. That said, I fail to see how anyone should be bound by rules created by a man who breaks his own rules. In the future, I recommend you hold to your claim of allowing everyone to vote on issues as you said they would have before you try to enforce other rules you have arbitrarily decided on.

I am curious though - who made you the leader of PFC? I mean, I know CCP named you to the CPM at a time when the community dispised you, but CCP wasn't involved in your most recent power grab.

EDIT: Also good job avoiding the questions posed to you. That said, good leaders address questions asked of them.

As in, you'll remove them if they don't pay? That's extortion, homie. You didn't own the land and give it up, there's no reason to be charging rent.

While I agree that 9 mil isn't much per corp, there's also no reason for NF to be getting that much. You should be compensated for your work, but 200m+ every week on top of ringer fees? That's just taking advantage of the PFC corps. Why aren't ringer fees enough? The contracts don't differ from your regular ones; it's still just PC battles, easy ones at that.

Really, because I'm pretty sure you said...hang on let me find the Skype convo:

[1/22/2014 1:34:09 AM] Zatara Rought: If I go anywhere it'll be Negative Feedback. Unless someone else proves they deserve us by defeating us in PC.

I think it's implied that they can't beat NF, want to join NF, and therefor would be even a bigger waste of isk to use their merc services.

I also laugh at my attempt to get you to join PD or LRA with you saying no and refusing, and yet shortly after you joined PD. Even more laughable then my failed attempt to get you to join an alliance that you did in fact join shortly after that conversation, is that you led a disorganized coalition against RA that no one benefits from but you :/

META ATTEMPT 2?

Seriously? Yes, Seriously.

Thankfully they did in deed, since you said you wouldn't join them. I found that interesting that you're the type to go back on the things they say.

Conviction is a process.

And no you didn't lead an offensive, you started a coalition, a coalition that asked me to help you with no benefits from you at all :/, meanwhile you gained a bunch of EVE players to help you in your cause against RA, what did they get I wonder? Nothing.

If they asked you then obviously they made a huge mistake and thankfully your foolishness proving you can't be trusted will preclude them from mistakenly inviting you to participate in their future endeavors. And if they were receiving nothing then I guess that'd quite the feat on my part convincing so many to show up.

And I love the mails I got and how people talked about you: Hey Zatara needs us to all attack tomorrow
And then the next day, We are pushing the attack back a week, and then a week later, this coalition is gay.

Fascinating.

Any corp that is disenfranchised with the idea of paying to remain on PFC can contact me.

I do not support charging outside of ringer fee's.

If NF chooses to attempt to remove those corps that decline NF's proposal to charge they are encouraged to seek out our merc services.

1) thats two-faced BS
2) you can't beat KEQ with a clone pack, do you honestly think you can stand up to us?

How is it 2-faced?

It wasn't a blowout (KEQ had 7-8 ticks left), I obviously had to watch clones and I had no heavies to your 3-4 so i failed to push bravo. And it was NF + KEQ. Stand up to NF?..lol Kobrah. How about we respect each other and not do stupid **** on the forums.

We are competitive with NF. If you would like to arrange some battles, we're down.

Did you not just agree with kain on this yesterday?????

Any corp that is disenfranchised with the idea of paying to remain on PFC can contact me.

I do not support charging outside of ringer fee's.

If NF chooses to attempt to remove those corps that decline NF's proposal to charge they are encouraged to seek out our merc services.

Its already been stated.. you couldn't beat KEQ. No disrespect to KEQ; there were a total of 6 NF in the match, and your rebuttal will be 'well it was a clone pack, you cant win with a clone pack waa waa someone give me my pacifier'

KEQ shut down FA. KEQ held the MCC lead and while yes you got cloned and killed more clones than them, you still LOST (cant hack points camping on catwalks the whole match...FACT).

"other thing"

after getting a double espresso I'm now sitting at a typewriter from 1986 responding on Cubs behalf. I hope he doesn't find a 'home stenographer' (the guy is infatuated with midgets)

ok back to work


From the desk of Cubs:

1.) "What I love about all of this is people who have absolutely ZERO vested interest in PFC seem to be the most vocal... go figure Zatara offering his opinion and thoughts, which change as fast as Rampage's relationship 'status' on Facebook.



My secretary is complaining of carpal tunnel syndrome, so I'll make this short(er)

Corps on PFC that want to hire FA to defend instead of abide by the terms the PFC community themselves are in charge of, by all means do so.

Don't mind me, if we're so easy to defeat then you won't mind smashing us over and over. Meta meta meta

Just make sure you do NOT pay up front. Pay for them actually fulfilling their end of the deal.

Nope, contracts will be paid win or loss 3 mill per.

Zatara you chose to go the 'empire' route and have a stance. NF remains neutral mercenaries and play for who pays. All personal feelings thrown out the window.

Same with us. They pay we play.

Fun Fact: you have already lost a number of clients due to your inability to fulfill contracts.

Meta meta meta meta bullshit. FACT: Cubs has lost Numerous contracts because of FA, and Kane felt the need to strongarm FA into an operation to coordinate pricing...LOL.

Let me be even more simple: You haven't come close to beating us. Outer Heaven (respect) puts up a stronger fight than you. I'd wager you joined PD just so you wouldn't be embarrassed by STB, but that's just a personal opinion.

I actually don't care to stroke E-peen, but suffice it to say if OH got smacked by AE and FA has become quite competitive with AE then yeah I'd say we're gonna be just fine. We played OH recently. It was fun times.

I'm sure NF loves that they beat us on some clone packs, congrats. We played once on a district with each side having clones. NF won. We lost for WTF, they had OB support. GG. But if you wanna stroke e-peen and say FA can't compete. Lol.

KEQ shut down FA. KEQ held the MCC lead and while yes you got cloned and killed more clones than them, you still LOST (cant hack points camping on catwalks the whole match...FACT).

Keq lost the next match to FA. on a clone pack. Sure we lost on a clone pack to KEQ + 6 NF. It was a loss, we kept clones even (I have the pics we won on clone count but couldn't win MCC with 120 vs the 4 heavies in bravo with 0 on our team) Logistical issue on my part. GG

NF faced OH last night, who, from my Firsthand experience, is currently stronger than FA. OH lost... to a clone pack.


More bullshit comparisons. *Yawn*

I mean after all, the ONLY way NF will get to play FA is by this route. Its not like Zatara will unlock even a SINGLE district and put it on a timer when his players are actually on, to actually PROVE he should be getting contracts from corps.

Yeah it's not like we didn't leave districts online for hours at a time on purpose for AE and others to attack and defended all but one successfully right?

Oh how is NF with leaving districts online if they suppose they have no threats?

They have none unlocked.

Hypocritical bullshit. Almost as funny as the fact Cubs calls anyone out for locking districts.

Fun fact:

I told Cubs to unlock the districts during the FE war to fight off the swarm without having to lock indefinitely...and he refused because he didn't want to lose districts to a zerg.

Pathetic.

Zatara a little advice being a CEO: make a decision, and stick to it. Right or wrong stand by your decision. Your Jekyl and Hyde personality is making you look much worse than I know you to be. Be a man of your word and gain the respect of your clients and adversaries."


I'm sure you can delude yourself into thinking that we've changed from mercing out. But i've never declared anywhere to be an empire corp. We've been merc from the beginning. Never owning more than a few districts.

Cubs. OF ALL PEOPLE. Your word is the least trustworthy of anyone on the forums.

Dude you were claiming TP had only made like 10 bill back in the days of the FEC.

Lies seem to be second nature.

Cubs. Stahp being a *****. Yup. That's about it.

Isn't it about time some alts showed up.

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Cubs lied nuff said. Time to come p with more bullshit!

Its the clap, isn't it... smh . I told you to stay away from bigolenuts

I'm not bothering with this thread, it has descended into idiocy.