DUST Search - PFC Council

Bri Bub wrote:

Soraya Xel wrote:

Salviatino Maiano wrote:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1142409#post1142409

So, are these the rules we're following?

The Council, once we get enough people signed up over there, will vote in a set of rules. No longer will TeamPlayers or Ancient Exiles determine our rules of play.

Fair enough but bear in mind that the previous (actually current, until a new set is made publicly available) rules are those that all corps that joined PFC under them, i.e. everyone currently in PFC, we're bound to... PFC leadership changes and it is their prerogative to adjust the rule set to best address the needs of the community but... Importantly, the entire set of rules must be made public and must be posted to these forums, not another site where everyone that can access dust514.com cannot get to... Then current occupants should be allowed sufficient time to fall in line or make other plans...

Additionally... The way this topic is progressing suggests PFC district ISK farming will be allowed not only to cover the NF insurance policy but to actively launch attacks outside of PFC while the respective corporation has no plans to move off PFC in the short term... This will lead to abuse, so I will be interested to see what comes of the first internal enforcement action, i.e. when NF has to move against one of its policyholders...

TL/DR
Post revised PFC rules to dust514.com forums sooner than later.

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Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United The CORVOS 50	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:00:00 - [91] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Regarding money, we know how much everyone pays in, and we should know whenever an enforcement action has to take place. Therefore, we should know about how much money is going in and out of the operation, and hence, we should know how good of a deal we are or are not getting. These are all topics that the Council should discuss in the appropriate area. Gotcha, so just keep a rolling memo in your head. LOL...Excellent idea. Now, who is in control of the wallet? A trustable 3rd party of high reputation, nothing less. Like in real life, maddof type people can exist in this game, but the paranoia has to be left aside at some point to build anything, its the basis of any community.
Superhero Rawdon Chaotic-Intent General Tso's Alliance 161	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:09:00 - [92] - Quote Tim Rapp wrote: When we asked our Corp if they wanted to get into pfc almost everyone replied yes but only 3-5 players of our Corp actually log on for the battle... if everyone that said yes got on we would be able to field a full 16 but our luck just didn't work that way... that's why most of our team are alliance members... fyi I'm on more often than my CEO so if you want to warn us about that type of stuff you can send me a mail instead. well, if i had known that.... i bleed chocolate milk........and poop batarangs
BatKing Deltor Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 859	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:14:00 - [93] - Quote Superhero Rawdon wrote: no, i was aware of the alliance they are in when i launched the attack. im not bitching about the use of ringers. i chalk it up to them assuming we were coming hard for them and their district. which, if they did, then their ceo is stupid or incompetent or both, as i sent a message to him telling him we werent gonna re-attack if we won. well, we didnt win. shrugs but if thats how GMD regularly runs their pc's, then disregard everything ive said. (i say that bc there were very few gmd in that match. but thats how it goes sometimes ;) ) Well i havnt had the time to properly log on for much if at all in the past 3 weeks so forgive me for not replying and dont make some assumption your message was read at the time by me or anyone else. Thanks for the insult buddy even though i threw none at you first. I dont even know you. At least i know your attitude towards me, ill remember that. "...as a demon, it uses its power to rain fire and death upon the land, then it dies, but after a period of slumber.."
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 734	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:18:00 - [94] - Quote This little planet sure is getting heated up... CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 734	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:19:00 - [95] - Quote Grabbing popcorn. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Superhero Rawdon Chaotic-Intent General Tso's Alliance 161	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:34:00 - [96] - Quote BatKing Deltor wrote: Superhero Rawdon wrote: no, i was aware of the alliance they are in when i launched the attack. im not bitching about the use of ringers. i chalk it up to them assuming we were coming hard for them and their district. which, if they did, then their ceo is stupid or incompetent or both, as i sent a message to him telling him we werent gonna re-attack if we won. well, we didnt win. shrugs but if thats how GMD regularly runs their pc's, then disregard everything ive said. (i say that bc there were very few gmd in that match. but thats how it goes sometimes ;) ) Well i havnt had the time to properly log on for much if at all in the past 3 weeks so forgive me for not replying and dont make some assumption your message was read at the time by me or anyone else. Thanks for the insult buddy even though i threw none at you first. I dont even know you. At least i know your attitude towards me, ill remember that. my attitude towards you, if u would comprehend wut u read, is either/or. based on what ive been told in this thread, i dont feel that youre stupid or incompetent. really.....re-read wut i said. you will feel less insulted. i bleed chocolate milk........and poop batarangs
Shiyou Hidiyoshi 125	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:37:00 - [97] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: This little planet sure is getting heated up... Good because that is how PC is :P They are learning... My theme song Dad (CCP Logibro) please love me! cries - Yoshi
BatKing Deltor Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 859	Posted - 2014.02.05 00:08:00 - [98] - Quote Superhero Rawdon wrote: BatKing Deltor wrote: Superhero Rawdon wrote: no, i was aware of the alliance they are in when i launched the attack. im not bitching about the use of ringers. i chalk it up to them assuming we were coming hard for them and their district. which, if they did, then their ceo is stupid or incompetent or both, as i sent a message to him telling him we werent gonna re-attack if we won. well, we didnt win. shrugs but if thats how GMD regularly runs their pc's, then disregard everything ive said. (i say that bc there were very few gmd in that match. but thats how it goes sometimes ;) ) Well i havnt had the time to properly log on for much if at all in the past 3 weeks so forgive me for not replying and dont make some assumption your message was read at the time by me or anyone else. Thanks for the insult buddy even though i threw none at you first. I dont even know you. At least i know your attitude towards me, ill remember that. my attitude towards you, if u would comprehend wut u read, is either/or. based on what ive been told in this thread, i dont feel that youre stupid or incompetent. really.....re-read wut i said. you will feel less insulted. O.k.... bolded/underlined.... "...as a demon, it uses its power to rain fire and death upon the land, then it dies, but after a period of slumber.."
Superhero Rawdon Chaotic-Intent General Tso's Alliance 161	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:52:00 - [99] - Quote BatKing Deltor wrote: Superhero Rawdon wrote: BatKing Deltor wrote: Superhero Rawdon wrote: no, i was aware of the alliance they are in when i launched the attack. im not bitching about the use of ringers. i chalk it up to them assuming we were coming hard for them and their district. which, if they did, then their ceo is stupid or incompetent or both, as i sent a message to him telling him we werent gonna re-attack if we won. well, we didnt win. shrugs but if thats how GMD regularly runs their pc's, then disregard everything ive said. (i say that bc there were very few gmd in that match. but thats how it goes sometimes ;) ) Well i havnt had the time to properly log on for much if at all in the past 3 weeks so forgive me for not replying and dont make some assumption your message was read at the time by me or anyone else. Thanks for the insult buddy even though i threw none at you first. I dont even know you. At least i know your attitude towards me, ill remember that. my attitude towards you, if u would comprehend wut u read, is either/or. based on what ive been told in this thread, i dont feel that youre stupid or incompetent. really.....re-read wut i said. you will feel less insulted. O.k.... bolded/underlined.... i think youve got it i bleed chocolate milk........and poop batarangs
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United The CORVOS 50	Posted - 2014.02.05 04:37:00 - [100] - Quote Getting back to original topic, we will have to permit land owner to a least be able to sell extra clones to pay for the insurance and we should also have a clause that explain clearly when a district is in a "farming isk" state so there is ample room for fights and pay the insurance for peace from external trolls. I forwarded Sparos response if members can make it circulate he has some good arguments on how things can go smooth, QU endorse his position and the associated fees. Those that did not received it, i am sorry i was out of time and there is no mailing list which makes mail very tedious to forward. Ask around in the channel for it or send me a mail so i forward it to the members in need to see. You can also ask edguy 111 for it, he will forward it on my behalf.

Salviatino Maiano Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 112	Posted - 2014.02.05 04:56:00 - [101] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1142409#post1142409 So, are these the rules we're following? I'm right behind you...
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United The CORVOS 50	Posted - 2014.02.05 05:14:00 - [102] - Quote All points are still valid until expressed otherwise by the council, members have expressed the need for mandatory talks before a fight to organize details and better relations between parties and make respect of sovereignty on district a primer. This is regarding point 5 which is written as optional.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1334	Posted - 2014.02.05 05:45:00 - [103] - Quote Salviatino Maiano wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1142409#post1142409 So, are these the rules we're following? The Council, once we get enough people signed up over there, will vote in a set of rules. No longer will TeamPlayers or Ancient Exiles determine our rules of play. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 207	Posted - 2014.02.05 05:53:00 - [104] - Quote Again, who is controlling the ISK sent in?
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 388	Posted - 2014.02.05 06:05:00 - [105] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Salviatino Maiano wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1142409#post1142409 So, are these the rules we're following? The Council, once we get enough people signed up over there, will vote in a set of rules. No longer will TeamPlayers or Ancient Exiles determine our rules of play. Having a Council make rules makes no sense to me because the council consist of corps who won't always have a district on PFC so every time more corps join new rules would have to be established because district ownership on PFC should be changing ever month or two, the newer corps may not like the old rules so they could change and just make everything confusing so I think a outside corp should set the rules
Cubs Secretary 1	Posted - 2014.02.05 06:14:00 - [106] - Quote From the desk of Cubs: 'Many of you perhaps do not understand current PC monetary mechanics. Once a district fills on clones, the additonal clones over capacity are automatically sold to Genolution and isk deposited in your corp wallet. Research Labs and hubs yield 9mil isk daily while production facilities yield 11mil. A nominal fee paid weekly is not a burden on a district holder. You couple that with a corp's respective tax rate, and 10mil/week is a drop in the bucket. the chief argument of the dysfunction of PFC all this time was corps hiding behind the veil of 'good fights' without risk of losing their land, and many corps simply farming isk. the 'tax' addresses both issues, and the council shall place the power into the hands of the residents. Something that has long been sought after. the old rules will be tossed out the window in favor of whatever ruleset the council decides on, agreed upon by the residents and enforced by the good folks at NF.' current residents get going ASAP and get in contact with Soraya to secure your seat on the council! --------------------end transmission------------------------ Please take a number your call will be answered shortly. Sorry for the inconvenience
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1335	Posted - 2014.02.05 06:37:00 - [107] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Having a Council make rules makes no sense to me because the council consist of corps who won't always have a district on PFC so every time more corps join new rules would have to be established because district ownership on PFC should be changing ever month or two, the newer corps may not like the old rules so they could change and just make everything confusing so I think a outside corp should set the rules Edit: Zero-Day alliance should not have 3 district on PFC And as the Council changes, they may choose to vote to change out rules as warranted. You realize that having legislators make laws doesn't make any less sense because legislators eventually get replaced by other legislators, right? I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2563	Posted - 2014.02.05 08:04:00 - [108] - Quote Swamps plan is to fight pfc battles with the passive isk gained while simultaneously grinding pubs for when we are ready to start shouting "avass ye scurvy swine". This way we won't be spending, it'd kind of be pointless to spend saved future pc isk on training when we could launch attacks for 'free' every 2-3 days. I'd suggest any other corps in or coming to pfc that don't have loads of isk to do the same. It'd also be a good idea for each corp on pfc to arrange attacks and defences to avoid a total clusterfk. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2563	Posted - 2014.02.05 08:18:00 - [109] - Quote I'd also suggest that a district with full clones is the only time a district can be attacked, this avoids numerous bs, fking about and doesn't screw with peoples generating isk passively to launch their own attacks. Its going literally have to be some carebear crap to ensure everyone is getting the practice they need out of it and nothing hampers a corps efforts toward eventual pc, which is the goal. A lot of everything is going to rely on people being completely honest if its going to work. I think once a month, each district should get an 'organised' attack from a pc level team to determine whether a corp is ready but there needs to be an understanding that times vary, theres many factors and some corps will take longer than others, like for instance here at swamp, we don't just take anyone, if they don't fit in then I suggest corps for them and boot them so recruitment is slow for us, we all run our sht differently. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2563	Posted - 2014.02.05 08:21:00 - [110] - Quote We'll still all get the training we need, theres no point making it brutal like pc because that's coming anyway. We need the focus on training and good quality safe training at that, this way people really will get ready sooner rather than degrading the quality. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic

TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2563	Posted - 2014.02.05 08:29:00 - [111] - Quote If this all works out right, pfc will become the norm for newer corps. If they have a place to actually train properly then more people will bother with the game, kain and crew get to keep their cut and we all will be helping to make the game better. I heard some talk about corp battles coming back and that it'd make pfc pointless. Theres no districts or mechanics to corp battles. In fact I go so far as to say corp battles would be for quick hardcore matches and training for before you come to pfc so you'd know what to expect. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 134	Posted - 2014.02.05 08:39:00 - [112] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: We'll still all get the training we need, theres no point making it brutal like pc because that's coming anyway. We need the focus on training and good quality safe training at that, this way people really will get ready sooner rather than degrading the quality. "We learn and get better from our tough games" - DJIIN Soul (one of the very best FCs) Don't pamper the matches too much, they should be hard and pushing everyone to the edge of their limits. That is how you get better. It's like working out, running twenty feet does nothing, sprinting thirty miles will only kill you, jogging ten miles will improve you (you get the idea). Pubstomping and constantly getting 5 capped won't help, those tough games where it's a close one does. My theme song Dad (CCP Logibro) please love me! cries - Yoshi
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2565	Posted - 2014.02.05 08:55:00 - [113] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: We'll still all get the training we need, theres no point making it brutal like pc because that's coming anyway. We need the focus on training and good quality safe training at that, this way people really will get ready sooner rather than degrading the quality. "We learn and get better from our tough games" - DJIIN Soul (one of the very best FCs) Don't pamper the matches too much, they should be hard and pushing everyone to the edge of their limits. That is how you get better. It's like working out, running twenty feet does nothing, sprinting thirty miles will only kill you, jogging ten miles will improve you (you get the idea). Pubstomping and constantly getting 5 capped won't help, those tough games where it's a close one does. I'm not saying pamper the matches, I'm saying and quite clearly that we need to make sure that matches aren't messing with any corps actual progress or just straight up messes with them, what good will randomly attacking a corp actually achieve? If they are not ready then what training is getting farmed going to teach them? Nothing. All the brutality has yet to come and with all due respect, we have all paid for this. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2565	Posted - 2014.02.05 08:57:00 - [114] - Quote If that's not clear then you've not read my other posts. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2565	Posted - 2014.02.05 08:59:00 - [115] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: We'll still all get the training we need, theres no point making it brutal like pc because that's coming anyway. We need the focus on training and good quality safe training at that, this way people really will get ready sooner rather than degrading the quality. "We learn and get better from our tough games" - DJIIN Soul (one of the very best FCs) Don't pamper the matches too much, they should be hard and pushing everyone to the edge of their limits. That is how you get better. It's like working out, running twenty feet does nothing, sprinting thirty miles will only kill you, jogging ten miles will improve you (you get the idea). Pubstomping and constantly getting 5 capped won't help, those tough games where it's a close one does. And iv never had the pleasure of getting carried in pc, iv always fought with the underdogs so your preaching to the choir mate. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2565	Posted - 2014.02.05 09:06:00 - [116] - Quote What is your part in pfc shiyou so I know who I'm speaking to. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Bri Bub Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 8	Posted - 2014.02.05 12:28:00 - [117] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Salviatino Maiano wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1142409#post1142409 So, are these the rules we're following? The Council, once we get enough people signed up over there, will vote in a set of rules. No longer will TeamPlayers or Ancient Exiles determine our rules of play. Fair enough but bear in mind that the previous (actually current, until a new set is made publicly available) rules are those that all corps that joined PFC under them, i.e. everyone currently in PFC, we're bound to... PFC leadership changes and it is their prerogative to adjust the rule set to best address the needs of the community but... Importantly, the entire set of rules must be made public and must be posted to these forums, not another site where everyone that can access dust514.com cannot get to... Then current occupants should be allowed sufficient time to fall in line or make other plans... Additionally... The way this topic is progressing suggests PFC district ISK farming will be allowed not only to cover the NF insurance policy but to actively launch attacks outside of PFC while the respective corporation has no plans to move off PFC in the short term... This will lead to abuse, so I will be interested to see what comes of the first internal enforcement action, i.e. when NF has to move against one of its policyholders... TL/DR Post revised PFC rules to dust514.com forums sooner than later. Be just and if you can't be just be arbitrary.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2566	Posted - 2014.02.05 12:41:00 - [118] - Quote Bri Bub wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Salviatino Maiano wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1142409#post1142409 So, are these the rules we're following? The Council, once we get enough people signed up over there, will vote in a set of rules. No longer will TeamPlayers or Ancient Exiles determine our rules of play. Fair enough but bear in mind that the previous (actually current, until a new set is made publicly available) rules are those that all corps that joined PFC under them, i.e. everyone currently in PFC, we're bound to... PFC leadership changes and it is their prerogative to adjust the rule set to best address the needs of the community but... Importantly, the entire set of rules must be made public and must be posted to these forums, not another site where everyone that can access dust514.com cannot get to... Then current occupants should be allowed sufficient time to fall in line or make other plans... Additionally... The way this topic is progressing suggests PFC district ISK farming will be allowed not only to cover the NF insurance policy but to actively launch attacks outside of PFC while the respective corporation has no plans to move off PFC in the short term... This will lead to abuse, so I will be interested to see what comes of the first internal enforcement action, i.e. when NF has to move against one of its policyholders... TL/DR Post revised PFC rules to dust514.com forums sooner than later. Keep your assumptions away from this thread please or at least keep them to yourself. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2566	Posted - 2014.02.05 12:52:00 - [119] - Quote I'm sorry but assumptions start a hype in dust, that then gets taken as fact far too much. Idiocy to be perfectly honest. Keep opinions and assumptions of 'what if' out of this thread please and stay on the subject. It rare I take anything seriously on the forums I know lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1707	Posted - 2014.02.05 13:02:00 - [120] - Quote Well its kind of obvious that once the council has agreed rules they will be published, until then speculation about what the rules are and claiming ISK farming is allowed is merely speculation and I highly doubt farming is going to be allowed it defeats the purpose of PFC completely. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.



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