Many AE members and past directors(maybe even current) have expressed similar opinions.

Fact is that PFC was most successful when we were overseeing it.

It will be more successful when PFC is running PFC.
The proposed structure will help solve many of the problems associated with the past iterations.

1. It is a lot of work to run PFC. By splitting the enforcement and rulemaking roles, it will make it easier on all parties and they will be more apt to follow through on their duties. Members will be more likely to take part in a system that they control.

2. PFC has been an ISK farming ground since its inception. By having a fee associated with occupying the space, it will make members less likely to fall into that trap.

3. More democratic rule with less threat of force and better protection. The rules will finally be made by those playing the matches. And NF WILL be there to enforce them and protect them.


Why NF?

Our record is unblemished as far as contract fulfillment goes. We may have lost battles when not given proper resources(Clone pack attacks against top teams), but we always show up and we always do what we say we will.

Cubs and Kane are trustworthy. If they say they are going to do something, they do it. Both of them have taken an active interest in promoting small independent corporations in the past. A whole area of MH was dedicated to indie corps when EoN. was on top. Kane has been moving corps into PC throughout it's existence.

To protect Fight Club, you have to be able to compete with all teams. NF can do that. There are only 2 or 3 alternatives, none of which seem to be stepping into the role besides AE. And I ask you: What has AE ever done for the small guy?

Dude. You're adorable. But nobody is afraid of you.

If you attack PFC, N-F will do their job. They are very good at it, and Spero has a very good track record when it comes to his word meaning something. So it seems perhaps a bit... poor decision-making on your part to both claim you intend to take PFC, and want them to ally with you.

Few things that We have learned since the beginning of PFC:

- Fights are for training purposes only. Not to Flip the district. Which means both parties involved can discuss the terms of the battle prior to the battle if they chose to, or go all out with no gear restrictions...

- Ringers are frowned upon. If you can't field a team of full 16 Corp members, then you shouldn't be on the PFC. But sometimes there are issues with attendance, Hard freeze and so on... In those cases, Corps used to match number of players to have an even fight. (But its Rare, Everyone loves stomping)...

- Alliance members are not considered as Ringers. It's for training, so the District owner may choose to bring in alliance members for training purposes.

- So far we have only Had "GGs" After a PFC match. Not a single case of trash talking. Let's keep it civil

- There were no Set council... It was more like whoever had the best players at that time... No We are working on building one.. Hopefully we can keep this politics free and Focus solely on PFC... Lets keep our personal Agendas aside. Let's not make anyone the king of the ring and create unnecessary tension.

- We did not have any enforcers, hence all the drama surrounding PFC. . . But now NF is willing to take that contract. They are no doubt a Successful and trustworthy Contractor. But 10 mil a week is a bit steep IMO... But hopefully we can discuss that and lower it a bit. Corps training for PC could use the extra Mil or two ISK... No one has to hold the ISK. Corps can personally make arrangements with NF for payment. This would help avoid any confusion regarding Weekly payment. If a CORP forgets or fails to pay, that'd be up to the CORP... No one can blame the other person for it...

- Tenure in PFC should be discussed. Not forced upon any Corp. If a Corp feels that they have a Fully PC ready team, than they can discuss their departure. Sell it to someone else or do whatever transaction they feel comfortable with. Choose the next successor from a proper waiting list. Call in a Vote for a waiting list. Not like "My friend wants in" even though that friend has 10 players in the Corp.

- No intentional locking of PFC district

- NO Using PFC district clones for PC purposes

Does anyone else not notice what this guy said....lmao....wow...well said sir o7

Yeah AE noticed, public disorder noticed. Not to mention i been saying all along who ever controls pfc its jist another way to make money ....period

Look everyone im having the next great big war against AE. Read my post here in the war room...and well this is why everything is locked in molden heath and will stay locked now that me and my coalition have declared war and this is the last time anyone can lock a district cuz in march that goes bye bye

And well sorry but these districts are not locked and i have a war coming in march

Negative feedback or whoever is running this...how you going to get me out of pfc when i attack and lock them everyday till the new update comes in march and then no one can lock there districts hince the war im about to have.

Lmao...150 mill 10 mill a week. Wow guess you all waisted your money. I have a war to fund and people to pissoff. If I dont take it they will. I can tell by there post in here. So im doing the honarable thing. PFC im coming

This is war time, politics and scams and everything else is out the window

Yo wardog I see you homie...lets go take pfc dawg GRRRRR Ruff Ruff Ruff AAAWWWOOOLLLLLL (thats me howling lmao im so stupid)

Hit me up baby im at (unit 514.)

War dog huh....yeah i heard about you isnt gloves back...get at me. I have a war brewin

Since Everyone on this Post went Off topic. Let me Re-post this again please. Please put your constructive ideas here. Let's Try to make this better. Also Create a Separate Post and Call it PFC Argument or e-peen stroking or w/e

Since Everyone on this Post went Off topic. Let me Re-post this again please. Please put your constructive ideas here. Let's Try to make this better. Also Create a Separate Post and Call it PFC Argument or e-peen stroking or w/e

Everything is locked everywhere and is going to stay that way. Incase you havent noticed all the big corps have been looking at pfc as another source of income. So before they take it i need to. I dont expect you to understand you are a gamer not ex military.This is sstrategy and smart since a war is coming. And its pfc why would I want a corp in pfc to join the coalition. Look bud like i told you in the other thread if i dont they will. Open your eyes 1.8 is the biggest update in dust. And its going to change a lot of things around especially for the pc world. I think its time for pfc to go away for awhile. You want to train then go que sync a factional. And stop getting rich off of pfc..all us big dogs know its a cash crop. Go somewhere else with that mess. Pfc needs to be open to pc again practice in factioal pfc is over

Everything is locked everywhere and is going to stay that way. Incase you havent noticed all the big corps have been looking at pfc even though What the french's districts are open and not under attack. So before big corps take it i need to come and post on the forums about it and try to act relavent. I dont expect you to understand you are a gamer not a douchebag who thinks going through basic makes them a strageist. I am a dumb **** who does not understand PC involves not staegy other than using exploits and ringers. And I'm butthurt NF is better than I am so I will use AE or OH as ringers and they will **** me over in the end. Look bud like i told you in the other thread they will. Open your eyes 1.8 is the biggest update in dust. And its going to break the game especially because pc will still be **** . I think because I couldn't get onto PFC its time for pfc to go away for awhile. You want to train then go que sync a factional and stomp academy fresh newberries. all the big dogs who will decimate my corp in PC know its a cash crop. Go somewhere else with that mess. Pfc needs to be open to pc again practice in factioal pfc is over

See what i mean. You think AE not going tobtake pfc with this war coming.

Race you to it...last one there is a rotten egg
Freakin AE....Join me Cubs $h/t man i got cookies man or maybe u want a samich i hear u like samiches...lol...i wonder if u even know what im talkimg about lol

Join us Sir Cubs...You can still beon top homie i just want to make history...get at me bro $hit going down son :-)

Big ol nuts said it himself just look at his post if Pfc is a cash crop then it's going to be a fight for it.

And cubs I never said I spoke with you I said would like to speak with you. But bro 150 mill for a district 10 mill a week from 24 corps on PFC . That's what's 240 mill a week plus the 150 mill they paid for the district plus you all said in the rules if you need more money to defend or whatever then that should be given also maybe I'm wrong on that part but you get the point

If I take Pfc districts and NF comes after me to take it back

1 ... How they will be locked

2.. You get 240 mill a week why would you take more money from Pfc people for example to take me out

It's a cash crop people...and it belongs to PC

You want to practice go play factional

I'm done replying in this thread I have said the facts ...cubs please bro...this is your cash pot buddy plain and simple

It's going back to PC bud people have factional now be happy for that ff is on. Go que sync

And last thought no one touched on escrow owns 3 districts and have a Pfc district isn't escrow part of you cubs maybe I'm wrong I don't know but they have 3 districts and have a Pfc and HellStorm come on man how long they going to stay in Pfc another 6 months seems like they been there a year already lmao

Pfc is a joke...it is in Malden Heath you guys are making 240 mill a week plus the 150 mill times 24 that everyone had to pay

Lmao...um cash crop...

No bro enough with the free ride and the scams...that one guy on page 3 I think said it so cool wi his post on how slick nf made it look for the community

I'm to smart for that again...10 mill a week 24 districts that's 240 mill a week plus 150 mill for each district plus if you guys fight and need more money they have to give it to you cuz the 240 mill a week is not enough..lol

No disrespect cubs u want to join up in the war great . You want to sit back and watch and pick up the pieces after then fine whatever

But Pfc is going back to PC everyone it belongs to PC community not a place for nf to get rich and have no big corps or alliances coming after you

Yeah no try again...not on my watch why should I let you all get rich off of a scam....Nahhh I'd rather take it

Pfc is over go to factional

Big ol nuts said it himself just look at his post if Pfc is a cash crop then it's going to be a fight for it.

And cubs I never said I spoke with you I said would like to speak with you. But bro 150 mill for a district 10 mill a week from 24 corps on PFC . That's what's 240 mill a week plus the 150 mill they paid for the district plus you all said in the rules if you need more money to defend or whatever then that should be given also maybe I'm wrong on that part but you get the point

If I take Pfc districts and NF comes after me to take it back

1 ... How they will be locked

2.. You get 240 mill a week why would you take more money from Pfc people for example to take me out

It's a cash crop people...and it belongs to PC

You want to practice go play factional

I'm done replying in this thread I have said the facts ...cubs please bro...this is your cash pot buddy plain and simple

It's going back to PC bud people have factional now be happy for that ff is on. Go que sync

And last thought no one touched on escrow owns 3 districts and have a Pfc district isn't escrow part of you cubs maybe I'm wrong I don't know but they have 3 districts and have a Pfc and HellStorm come on man how long they going to stay in Pfc another 6 months seems like they been there a year already lmao

Pfc is a joke...it is in Malden Heath you guys are making 240 mill a week plus the 150 mill times 24 that everyone had to pay

Lmao...um cash crop...

No bro enough with the free ride and the scams...that one guy on page 3 I think said it so cool wi his post on how slick nf made it look for the community

I'm to smart for that again...10 mill a week 24 districts that's 240 mill a week plus 150 mill for each district plus if you guys fight and need more money they have to give it to you cuz the 240 mill a week is not enough..lol

No disrespect cubs u want to join up in the war great . You want to sit back and watch and pick up the pieces after then fine whatever

But Pfc is going back to PC everyone it belongs to PC community not a place for nf to get rich and have no big corps or alliances coming after you

Yeah no try again...not on my watch why should I let you all get rich off of a scam....Nahhh I'd rather take it

Pfc is over go to factional

Charolette quit it post on your main at least.

This is funny cause its probably true. Didn't know Hardfacts was a silly sailor.... his anchor tat must be a stick on or something.

It's just an AE member, not charfacts...

Nope, not AE, just a guy I met before FEC that always quesynced FW. I don't know why he is acting like this. Maybe it is not the same person as it was before... idk. He is being entertaining though :D

If NF is spread thin, maybe we can ring for a price too?


Pick me coach! I want to play kickball too!

Since PFC is now a business asset and fair game by larger corps, I wonder if the amount these new corps are paying for protection will be enough?
Logic dictates that a majority of these new smaller corps will have timers that are stacked in prime time
Making the logistics a nightmare for their protectors to defend all those districts at once.

If I was on the new PFC council I would ask to pay much more money
for my protection since the goodwill of the larger corps is in jeopardy.

Aside from Kain's point maybe have FA, TP, Imps, RND, AE, and 0.H each get a district on a planet, who ever controls the full planet first wins sort of a tourney style thing all districts must be on one of 4 timers agreed upon by all parties, sounds like fun tbqh and gives yall something to do.

We have all of molden heath to fight over, this particular thread is concerning the future of the new business model of PFC. Which is now going to be a bigger part of MH because it is now a revenue making stream.

Agreed, then again NF doesn't ONLY employ TP, Imp, and ERA troops, I've gotten in a few ffs.

Part of the NF contract with PFC and an aspect of the weekly maintenance fee is to organize and pay for mercs needed for council enforcement, district defense from illegal flips, and removal of other violators from PFC should the need arise from NF's extensive network of freelance mercs.

We welcome qualified mercs that express an interest in providing ringing services for PFC council contracts and they can expect to be compensated for their services.

Anyways, as long as it is not against AE or anyone who has good relations with AE, I'm fine.

I suspect the leadership of AE's respect for PFC and the greater Dust community to make that not an issue, but New Eden is full of surprises and organizations making bad decisions.

Kain Spero wrote:
The weekly payment also ensures that PFC members have skin in the game and a vested interest to insure participation in the council. Members that don't pay into the weekly contract also become easy to identify as members that don't contribute to PFC and are probably better suited to a location in Molden Heath outside of Planet Fight Club

Negative-Feedback is happy to take on this PFC contract and looks forward to working with the PFC council as it grows and establishes itself. Together our hope is that this will bring a golden age to PFC and put the control of PFC in the hands where it has always belonged: the members of Planet Fight Club. We are very much looking forward to seeing how this positive development progresses.

Yep, that's cool. Same guys/corps staying on PFC indefinitely.