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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.03 21:07:00 -
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Dear members of Planet Fight Club and the Dust Community,
It has become clear that the members of Planet Fight Club need to be the ones that establish the rules of engagement for the planet, but require a strong backer to be able to enforce those rules. It is with this in mind that an interim council has been established. The interim council will set the rules of PFC and will vote on violations, and the council's rulings will be enforced by a contract with Negative-Feedback.
The external attacks on Planet Fight Club have also continued and it seems several entities would like nothing more than to burn PFC to the ground. With Molden Heath locked down PFC is the last bastion of competitive play in the region and must be maintained. With this in mind Negative-FeedbackGÇÖs contract with PFC will include taking steps to remove corporations that lock their districts and place new corporations on PFC in consultation with the Fight Club Council. With the need of maintaining PFC and the backing of the council, the members of PFC will contribute weekly to fund that will maintain the PFC contract with Negative-Feedback and be used to finance actions requested by the council and to maintain PFC. One week from this announcement will be allowed before the weekly deposit goes into effect so that the council can establish itself and the needed procedures put in place.
The following will be members of the interim council:
Council Administrator: Soraya Xel
District 01 - Venezuela CORP District 03 - Hellstorm Inc District 04 - Death Firm District 06 - Granite Mercenary Division District 11 - Forsaken Immortals District 14 - Subsonic Synthesis District 15 - The Generals Distirct 16 - G I A N T District 18 - Ultramarine Corp District 20 - Quebec United District 23 - Escrow Removal and Acquisition (non-voting) District 24 - Da Short Buss
I look forward to more members joining the council as its work progresses. During this interim period resources will be made available to help organize the council and provide the tools so votes can be carried out. This is an ambitious project that will face many perils, but PFC is worth it.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.03 21:07:00 -
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Reserved for later use.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.03 21:30:00 -
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Indeed. Fire2MyBlunt, please have corp leadership contact Kane or myself as soon as possible. Everyone who has a PFC district who is going to use it the way PFC is intended to be used should be able to become a part of this council relatively easily. We don't have contacts for everyone.
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Posted - 2014.02.03 21:39:00 -
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XEROO COOL wrote:District 23.... I left a sock somewhere near the B socket.. if you find it can you mail it back to me... I was having some fun with a female minni clone after the NC removal... Thanks!!
All Lost and Found items are biomassed by a cleaning crew just after ERA's teams finish up. Sorry.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.03 21:49:00 -
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Fire2MyBlunt wrote:soraya if you can and have time get on dust for we can chat. thanks
I probably won't be able to get in game until later this evening. I can send you a mail from my EVE character though. We will have an out-of-game medium for discussing PFC Council matters.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.03 22:45:00 -
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Members of the existing parties listed above should have been notified how to join the Council proceedings. If you have a PFC district, and you are not a part of that list, and you wish to continue having a PFC district, you should get in touch with Kane Spero or myself so you can ensure you have a vote in the matters to be discussed ahead.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.04 00:47:00 -
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Shadow of War88 wrote:do you believe the actions youve taken here will improve your chances of getting elected?
*shrug* No idea.
My actions are intent on ensuring corps who wish to participate in PFC have an actual say in how it's run, as opposed to whatever the corp of the week is lording over it like a pet. I made this very clear to Kane Spero when he asked for feedback on the state of PFC, and he seems intent to deliver on that. A lot of parties were consulted on this project. I am here solely as a huge fan of what PFC is and can offer, and a part of setting this up is enabling PFC corps to replace me if it is there wish as expediently as some semblance of order can be had.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.04 03:12:00 -
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Actually, the idea, is that it's a council of concerned and participating players who are working towards a mutual goal, creating a PFC that can be both active and fun, as well as isolated and protected from the general PC madness. The people in the PFC Council will establish the PFC rules, rather than EoN or RA or someone else defining what is and isn't the PFC rules.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.04 04:41:00 -
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Another two points of note:
- The corps listed in the original post are already on board with this. And a few more have since mailed in. This project was done with community collaboration.
- I personally do not handle any ISK, and also will not receive any. People know I'm a long-time supporter of PFC, and I am solely supporting this initiative in that I feel it's the best thing for PFC's continued existence and quality of play. Our alliance participates heavily on PFC, and if I didn't feel that this was worthwhile, I wouldn't be willing to get involved.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.04 13:50:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:So, you guys will be policing yourselfs on PFC with the aid of NF. That's cool......but if you guys are all about the community and new corps, I recommend that you guys don't stay on PFC forever. Because there won't be an "outsider" corp looking over your shoulders, I don't forsee any of the "council members" giving up their district to allow new corps to get in.
Part of the general concept includes maintaining an actual waitlist. The weekly cost means corps that do not need it will quickly decide to move out. Those who are actively using it, I personally don't think should be forced off due to having been there a while. (I'd honestly be comfortable if every corp in the game had a PFC district to play by PFC rules from, though that would require more than just Oddelulf being in PFC.)
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.04 15:07:00 -
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The current goal, which I will put here, and on the Reserved post in the thread as well, is to get one to two representatives from each corp registered at http://forums.dust-gents.com and verified using the instructions in red text on that page. Then we have a somewhat private discussion area for PFC participants to hash out the rules in a closed board. Corps should do this today, if possible. I'd like to get discussions started immediately, but with only a couple corps in there so far, it'd be pretty poorly representative.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.04 17:35:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:so people lose moeny unless they fight? great!
Basically how PC as a whole should've been designed, yes.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.04 18:30:00 -
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ragewardog wrote:pfc is great but to hard to control I think its just about time pfc died
Of course you do. You don't gain any benefit from it. Why wouldn't you want it to die? Which is why ERA will ensure people like you can't touch it.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.04 19:21:00 -
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Regarding money, we know how much everyone pays in, and we should know whenever an enforcement action has to take place. Therefore, we should know about how much money is going in and out of the operation, and hence, we should know how good of a deal we are or are not getting. These are all topics that the Council should discuss in the appropriate area.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.04 19:36:00 -
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Someone in my alliance posed a somewhat similar idea.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:25:00 -
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Just a quick referee moment: 25% tax isn't "robbing members blind". Different corps work in different ways. It's a bar of measure between capitalism and socialism, how much is skimmed off the top to create the services that benefit members. Everyone should be fully aware up front what the tax rate is of the corp they're joining, and what it's used for.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.04 22:38:00 -
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Chaotic-Intent: Alliance members have always been allowed to fight on PFC districts. And Top Men always fights mixed teams. Exemplars is our largest force US-side, so they generally make up a decent portion of our matches. They're practicing same as the rest of us.
Once the new PFC thing is under control, there may be districts available. I am not sure if there will be an initial placement cost. There might not be, provided the weekly contribution to the enforcement fund is provided. (I am not a money person, I don't deal in money.)
Right now, we're trying to get the existing folks settled into the community to chat about how PFC will operate. Once we have that, we'll put out a method for you to get on a waitlist, and then we'll fill any open spots down that list. Ideally.
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.02.05 05:45:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1142409#post1142409
So, are these the rules we're following?
The Council, once we get enough people signed up over there, will vote in a set of rules. No longer will TeamPlayers or Ancient Exiles determine our rules of play.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.05 06:37:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:Having a Council make rules makes no sense to me because the council consist of corps who won't always have a district on PFC so every time more corps join new rules would have to be established because district ownership on PFC should be changing ever month or two, the newer corps may not like the old rules so they could change and just make everything confusing so I think a outside corp should set the rules
Edit: Zero-Day alliance should not have 3 district on PFC
And as the Council changes, they may choose to vote to change out rules as warranted.
You realize that having legislators make laws doesn't make any less sense because legislators eventually get replaced by other legislators, right?
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:27:00 -
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Gelhad Thremyr wrote:Totally agree with NAV, from our first encouters with death legion we learned alot because we fielded 2 experienced mercs outside our alliance but people with whom we play often. They did not charge a dime and we considered them trainers. If we are to learn, one or two trainers should be acceptable the first x battles to get things booted, NF could even be invited to train each team by fielding on each side. Finally launching attacks on molden heath from a PFC district should be prohibited. It is ill conceived that a corp can corrupt the spirit of the defence contract and while protected, launch hostile actions outside.
People have run against us with like one or two ringers, and we usually don't make a big deal of it. Early on, there was one unpaid guy who was in a lot of our battles helping us out. We usually only take issue when someone brings a whole pile of ringers.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:19:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:you aren't understanding my point with the council adding and losing corps in a month or two, thats how long i think you should stay on PFC before you have to give up your spot.
The important point: Nobody gives a crud what a Nyain San member thinks should be done on PFC.
It doesn't affect you, and it's none of your business.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:26:00 -
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The whole point of PFC members determining the rules of PFC is that the people deciding how to use it should be the people who actually use it for training and practice.
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:02:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns, in the case of Top Men, the only party I can speak for, we've been told by every major power who's ever run PFC that our case is acceptable. We operate in two time zones, US and EU time. The teams that practice and play on those districts are entirely different groups of people. And to this day, no PFC enforcement corp has mandated a one-per-alliance limit.
Whether or not this new group does or not largely depends on how the other members of PFC feel about it.
Personally, I'd be happy to see the PFC concept expand beyond Oddelulf, if needed, to provide enough space for any corps who wish to have a spot to get one. With PFC moving to a business model, this actually may now be a practical concept.
Common- Sense, I would not want to call myself the leader of the Council. I'm going to try and serve the Council's interests, by providing an organization framework, based almost entirely on their input. And once everything's put together, that will include the ability to replace me with someone else.
A member of Nyain San has almost no ability to comprehend what challenges do and do not face a smaller participant in PC. A month with a single district equals roughly 14 PC matches. It is ludicrous to believe that no corp should need more than 14 matches to be able to compete with Ancient Exiles or Nyain San. Especially when many of the PFC corps consist of players who do not all appear for every match, meaning any given player probably sees far less than 14 fights in that month. He should, I hope, be able to understand that he doesn't have the perspective necessary to make such a claim.
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:24:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:But the top corps never had a thing like PFC they just took there losses in PC and learned from them they didn't have an thing like PFC back in the day, so all I'm saying is i think this council is a bad idea i feel like its just a way for corps to stay on PFC longer than they should be allowed to stay, like i said 1 to 2 months max on it then you need to go out in MH and try and get a district outside of PFC, you can be allowed back to PFC but you go to the bottom of the list, Alliances only get one district but if the time zone are greatly different two is acceptable but alliances on PFC can't pass district off between thats just not fair to other corps , one more thing i should add is no eve support unless agreed upon
And the top corps, in many cases, are compilations of all of the top players in the game. We have people ranging from players that one on one can easily match any other player out there, to newbies just starting out. That have to apparently be able to compete with players who have been playing this game as a team for over a year already, and were probably playing as a team in other games before it, in many cases. Also, while a lot of players in the top corps cap their SP every week, and can be found playing every single day, I know in the case of my alliance, many of our members have families and are only available for small periods of time or a few days a week. Your posts make it clear you really know nothing of what the corps participating in PFC face, and how we differ from the landholders of the majority of Molden Heath.
As stated above, you get, really at most, 14 matches on a PFC district a month. So let me ask you this, Mr. Machine Guns:
Do you believe, that 16 newbies can beat a Nyain San team with 14 matches of practice?
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:35:00 -
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Ares 514 wrote:Sorry to inform you but you lost my vote due to your support of the corruption that is PFC.
Okay. I guess that's kinda sad, but I don't really decide how to play DUST based on how many votes it will get me. I do what I feel is best for my alliance and the community at large. PFC gives a lot more players a chance to play than the rest of PC does, and that's why I support it.
Also, note that while PFC in the past was a bit of a New Eden anomaly, being a "charity" of sorts, this new model is more akin to a renter system in EVE. In New Eden, generally, territory is held by one of two ways: Being strong enough to defend it yourself, or renting it from someone who is. By contract with N-F, PFC should become a beneficial arrangement for all parties involved.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:37:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:As stated above, you get, really at most, 14 matches on a PFC district a month. So let me ask you this, Mr. Machine Guns:
Do you believe, that 16 newbies can beat a Nyain San team with 14 matches of practice? Theres a PFC rule that you have to attack Nyain San after you leave? Why do you have to attack us there are other corps to attack
In the case of our alliance, we've invested in PC outside of MH many times. Nyain San has been responsible for many of those investments being a waste. If a corp can't protect itself from Nyain San, it would be a poor choice to even try to play PC outside of PFC.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.05 19:17:00 -
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As a note, seven PFC corps are currently represented on the board. If your corp is on PFC, and you have not registered at http://forums.dust-gents.com and followed the verification instructions in red text there, please ensure you do so as expediently as possible to ensure your corp has a say in the coming proceedings.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.05 21:46:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Just out of curiosity how is the contract you have with NF beneficial for the other landowners in PC?
Well, your alliance is no longer being expected to maintain it for free, for one.
HowDidThatTaste wrote:You do see the problem that might occur if a corp felt left out or was offended by some arrangement that has no benefit to them?
Corps who would earnestly like to participate in what PFC is should probably get in touch with us. In my personal "I have no actual vote" opinion, everyone should be able to participate in PFC. PFC being a low-cost environment to get great fights without starting a war or drama, and practice up skills as a team. Personally, I have no inherent issue with corps outside PFC having districts on PFC, but the issue has always been the limitation that PFC is 24 districts. If the new PFC model is financially viable, I see no reason PFC couldn't expand beyond the boundaries of Oddelulf itself so more parties could participate, and restrictions on who can and can't get a district could be more relaxed.
Quote:You seem to be putting a large amount of this success in the hands of one very capable corp, while insulting a corp like Nyan San?
I don't feel I insulted Nyain San. On the contrary, my point that to participate outside of PFC, you really need to be capable of defending from a threat like Nyain San, I am actually placing their corp as the gold standard of being an extremely significant threat. It is the amount of threat they pose, in fact, that disconnects them so heavily from what it's like to be one of the many corps that has few good alternatives besides being on PFC. I don't think a month on PFC will give new corps and players enough practice to take on Nyain San. How is that an insult to Nyain San?
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Posted - 2014.02.05 21:48:00 -
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Gelhad Thremyr wrote:Soraya, maybe your web site is a good idea, but I am more fan of a meeting room in dust.
The issue is persistence. People who weren't in the voice channel at the time of our discussion the other day cannot hear what took place. There is no record. And it was also very disorganized. Forum threads offer permanent commentary, and it's easy to confirm what was said, and how it was said.
Also, there's some things I would like to suggest which would be hard to do in the official forums, because they need to have their own section/forum area to maintain.
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:07:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:[quote=Soraya Xel]As my alliance may not be running it for free. I also notice that this new arrangement is not paying us either.
So all of the landowners in PC who have fought for their districts are going to be expected to leave you alone yet you only pay one corp for protection I believe this is where this arrangement starts to get sticky.
My first thought, is that as far as I'm aware, N-F does indeed hire ringers. Perhaps those who don't participate in PFC should consider being a ringer to help defend it. And in that, get paid.
Technically, there's nothing preventing other landowners from attacking PFC, I suppose. Except that N-F will be defending it. That being the reason N-F is getting paid.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:20:00 -
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Let me ask this. The contract involves a lot of work and cost. You can earn equivalent or more net income than this contract brings in by holding districts yourself. You can make much more ISK than this contract offers with far less than 24 districts to defend. As AE and Nyain, for example, both easily have district holdings that dwarf this project, what is the likelihood they could offer a competing rate to N-F's that's worthwhile to them? I would pose that the above mentioned groups may not find the dynamic as valuable, as their existing means of district income is more profitable. Particularly if they have to compete on pricing with N-F's offer.
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:03:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:Im just saying the problem with this council idea with the corps on PFC is that it will always be changing, a new council may set new rules that are different from old ones and just cause confusion
Any such changes should be gradual, as it is extremely unlikely a large percentage of PFC will be replaced at the exact same time. Your own government's equivalents may be different, but we reelect like... most of our government every two to four years. All our laws, however, don't change every two to four years.
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Posted - 2014.02.06 00:46:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:Real life government stuff has nothing to do with this is a video game so what you are saying makes no sense...
BTW I'm from America once why are you bring real life government crap into a video game??
It's called an analogy. It's supposed to help illustrate to you what everyone else here already understands.
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Posted - 2014.02.06 02:11:00 -
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Traky78 wrote:Hey ! Good idea man. Can you please add What The French Acad+¬mie, district 7.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1797703#post1797703
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Posted - 2014.02.06 02:53:00 -
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On most counts, roughly half of PFC was being used as intended at any given time. The work of the Council should ensure that we no longer see issues where our guys don't know who to fight with their PFC district because there's nobody to fight. The protection contract, paid in by all members, will allow us to be well protected from the variety of people who have made it clear they think PFC should die.
Realistically, HowDidThatTaste, I'd suggest that once CCP fixes their stuff, PC landowners will be far too busy actually defending the districts they'd been holding without risk via district locking to irritate PFC. And I'd suggest going after PFC corps remains a "**** move", that should earn someone some manner of community shame for engaging in. Not that there are many people left who have spotless records in that manner. ;)
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Posted - 2014.02.06 03:10:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:And then I would say you do not need to pay a corp for protection and PFC stay as a charity, respected by most larger corps like it has up to this point.
On the contrary, most of the posts from members of those larger corps indicate a distinct lack of respect for PFC, from everything I have seen.
And I actually think there might be some merit to a maintenance cost actually encouraging people to only remain on PFC as long as they are getting value (i.e. fights) out of it. My recommendation to CCP for PC as a whole, in fact, would be to make maintaining districts cost money, so people claim what they need, rather than trying to take and hold the entirety of MH.
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Posted - 2014.02.06 07:37:00 -
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Ghostt Shadoww wrote:My bad...one more thing....negative feedback...i mean no disrespect. Im only saying this is because I dont want to disrespect cubs and team players is negative feed back...im trying to prove to cubs i can do this and to join us with a common enemy. Just understand this is war and if you Sir cubs was at war you wouod do the same im sure. Dont worry ill give pfc back to the people after the war...if pfc should even stay around i honestly dont see the need. Go to pc and get your @ss beat and learn the hard way start off with a small corp. All pfc does is just a cash crop for someone for that i say just keep it open in pc...see what happens after thr war...
Anyways Cubs...this is war bud ...dont know if u involved still in pfc but i hve a war brewin bud.... o7
With that said...im coming oddelof, my bad if i splled it wrong :-)
Dude. You're adorable. But nobody is afraid of you.
If you attack PFC, N-F will do their job. They are very good at it, and Spero has a very good track record when it comes to his word meaning something. So it seems perhaps a bit... poor decision-making on your part to both claim you intend to take PFC, and want them to ally with you.
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Posted - 2014.02.07 21:57:00 -
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Spartan MK420 wrote:Yep, that's cool. Same guys/corps staying on PFC indefinitely.
PFC should be quite able to accommodate parties interested. This actually will put an end to the former issues, where corps would languish for weeks in the War Room hoping to get a spot, with no clear answer on when and where that will happen. Interested parties should mail us.
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Posted - 2014.02.08 19:35:00 -
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Wow, glad I missed most of this conversation.
As a note, the people who have actually appeared in the PFC council discussion so far have been supportive of a rule for people not to attack until clones are full. If this rule is implemented, it will pretty much ensure that a district still makes both the weekly fee, and some semblance of income for the corp, every week.
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Posted - 2014.02.09 02:00:00 -
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Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Wow, glad I missed most of this conversation.
As a note, the people who have actually appeared in the PFC council discussion so far have been supportive of a rule for people not to attack until clones are full. If this rule is implemented, it will pretty much ensure that a district still makes both the weekly fee, and some semblance of income for the corp, every week. Do you even math bro? Explain to me exactly how you can have your cake and eat it to? The goal of PFC is to promote fights for corps that want into PC. Farming, be it for rent or otherwise, was never part of the plan. If corporations are currently farming let's see the evidence and well gget some good ol' fashion mob justice going to turn that district over to someone else. I'll never vote for you. Stop pretending you represent the voice of the council. You represent only those corps least capable of having a district and whom are willing to pay protection money to farm ISK half the week. Your plan is good, but a CPM candidate should have picked a smarter target.
People seem to agree you should only attack a district with full clones. If that's the case, you should one, or usually two clone regens (About 18 million ISK) during the time you're Under Attack. Now, not all will follow that rule, particularly outside attackers (of which I know are faced frequently on PFC), but it should average out to allowing you to make just enough ISK between fights to cover the bill, and maybe pay for some tanks. In many cases, just due to not losing that many clones, even when we get attack back-to-back, we end up making that much ISK in the interim between fights, just because the game works that way. We're not talking about farming here.
As I've said before, I don't really make game decisions based on whether or not they'll get me votes. I make them on what's good for my guys, and the community. I make no money off of this arrangement, but our guys have seen how badly PFC has been handled in the past, and a chump change fee to cover the costs with better management and enforcement is an easy bargain for us. It's worth it. And I truly believe this will give us a better grade of PFC for all of our corps to enjoy.
I don't believe I ever said I represent the voice of the council. I serve them. Nobody from your corp has stepped forwards to represent your corp there, so I ask where your dedication is to having that voice in the first place. Even in the case of a corp being able to defend itself, in most cases, the fee is worth it to cover both removal of other corps (providing us a better experience of competitive play) as well as insurance for cases we can't cover. We have no illusions about our ability to protect ourselves from an Ancient Exiles A-team. However, we're fairly confident Negative-Feedback can.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.10 00:47:00 -
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TechMechMeds, it'd actually be really hard to enforce that without having someone watching their team formup for every match. ;)
I know in our alliance's case, it isn't a desire to replace anyone in a corp, but that simply the entire alliance is welcome to participate, and people are selected from the overall group. We try to make sure everyone gets in at some point. A lot of times, we actually intentionally pick "newbies first" explicitly, even though our entire team can always use more practice.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.19 17:42:00 -
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Current status based on current state of Oddelulf. Note that there are a couple representatives from some corps in process of getting on it, just needing to verify their identities or such, and some of the non-English-speaking corps are compliant and even reachable, but language issues have been a hindrance. We're getting a translator involved.
Venezuela CORP, DUST BRASIL S.A, LATINOS KILLERS CORP, Onslaught Inc, and Swamp Tempo are all part of PFC proper, but not listed as ON COUNCIL for the reasons above.
Oddelulf III - District 1Venezuela CORP Oddelulf III - District 2Escrow Removal and Acquisition Oddelulf III - District 3Hellstorm Inc (ON COUNCIL) Oddelulf III - District 4Death Firm. (ON COUNCIL) Oddelulf III - District 5Grupo de Asalto Chacal (ON COUNCIL) Oddelulf III - District 6Granite Mercenary Division (ON COUNCIL) Oddelulf III - District 7What The French Academie Oddelulf III - District 8Rebelion TLC. Oddelulf III - District 9Science For Death Oddelulf III - District 10 The Phoenix Federation (ON COUNCIL) Oddelulf III - District 11 Forsaken Immortals (ON COUNCIL) Oddelulf III - District 12 MEN IN BLACK OPS Oddelulf III - District 13 Zero-Day Attack Oddelulf III - District 14 DUST BRASIL S.A Oddelulf III - District 15 The Generals (ON COUNCIL) Oddelulf III - District 16 G I A N T (ON COUNCIL) Oddelulf III - District 17 LATINOS KILLERS CORP Oddelulf III - District 18 Ultramarine Corp (ON COUNCIL) Oddelulf III - District 19 Onslaught Inc Oddelulf III - District 20 Quebec United (ON COUNCIL) Oddelulf III - District 21 Legions of Infinite Dominion Oddelulf III - District 22 Swamp Tempo Oddelulf III - District 23 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Oddelulf III - District 24 Da Short Buss (ON COUNCIL)
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.19 19:50:00 -
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Stiddlefaxq wrote:50% is good progress. 50% also represents a quorum in my eyes.
If you count the folks who are involved, but we just haven't gotten all the the Is dotted and Ts crossed, we're actually at two-thirds. Some of the mentioned parties have already contributed to discussions and such, but just haven't gotten registered fully on the Council board yet.
As a note, there's a vote thread up right now, so if you're on the council, you should check it.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.20 19:12:00 -
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TechMechMeds, you need to follow the instructions on the second post of this thread so you can represent your corp in the council area.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.20 19:13:00 -
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Rigel Knietzch wrote:Sprays, if you need a translator let me know, I'm bilingual and have the CEOs of Dust Brazil and Latinos Killer in my Facebook as well ties with rebellion and other Spanish speaking corps.
This would be really helpful. Neither of those corps has gotten set up to access the Council area yet.
If you want to follow the same instructions to register on that board and send the required in-game mail to verify the account, we can get you non-voting access as well.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.21 09:06:00 -
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Happy to state that we're up to having representatives for 16 corps on the PFC Council board.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:43:00 -
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Scrappy Bernard wrote:I'd like to petition for Science for Death to be reinstated on PFC
Science for Death can ask to be added to the waiting list like anyone else.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:58:00 -
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Hey, it's a random alt trying to stir crud on behalf of a corp who had like six weeks to not be terrible and read the forums and you know, mail someone. And then they were self-locking. I have a very small amount of pity.
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