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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
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Posted - 2014.02.08 18:14:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:I'm not bothering with this thread, it has descended into idiocy.
Yeah.. its strange, but this goes to show that creating, monitoring, and/or policing PFC is truly a thankless job.
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CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm.
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
806
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Posted - 2014.02.08 19:18:00 -
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I got more popcorn, continue.
CEO
Whiskey squad leader
Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
1406
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Posted - 2014.02.08 19:35:00 -
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Wow, glad I missed most of this conversation.
As a note, the people who have actually appeared in the PFC council discussion so far have been supportive of a rule for people not to attack until clones are full. If this rule is implemented, it will pretty much ensure that a district still makes both the weekly fee, and some semblance of income for the corp, every week.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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iOwn AE Glitchers
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2014.02.08 19:53:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:iOwn AE Glitchers wrote:
Did you not just agree with kain on this yesterday?????
That's a great question. *disappears before he throws some agreement he had under the bus* Regardless though...talking **** against your homies in FA isn't cool brah. No need to create drama.
Creating drama and burning bridges is my specialty. |
Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
2569
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:18:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Wow, glad I missed most of this conversation.
As a note, the people who have actually appeared in the PFC council discussion so far have been supportive of a rule for people not to attack until clones are full. If this rule is implemented, it will pretty much ensure that a district still makes both the weekly fee, and some semblance of income for the corp, every week.
Do you even math bro?
Explain to me exactly how you can have your cake and eat it to?
The goal of PFC is to promote fights for corps that want into PC. Farming, be it for rent or otherwise, was never part of the plan.
If corporations are currently farming let's see the evidence and well gget some good ol' fashion mob justice going to turn that district over to someone else.
I'll never vote for you.
Stop pretending you represent the voice of the council. You represent only those corps least capable of having a district and whom are willing to pay protection money to farm ISK half the week.
Your plan is good, but a CPM candidate should have picked a smarter target.
Jihad Jeep Proficiency V
Red Line Sniper Proficiency III
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2610
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:24:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:I'm not bothering with this thread, it has descended into idiocy. You'll be back trolling is the lifeblood of the WR. 
I iz bak.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
234
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:00:00 -
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Burn PFC. It does not need a police force. If you take a district there, be ready to hold it and be ready to fight anyone in the game.
Timbo, I never said it was under control. I said do what you do at your own expense.
So KEQ hires ringers now? LOL..I can remembering mentioning doing that and I was crucified for it. Oh well, we wll change with the times. |
Timbo101
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
101
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:58:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:Burn PFC. It does not need a police force. If you take a district there, be ready to hold it and be ready to fight anyone in the game.
Timbo, I never said it was under control. I said do what you do at your own expense.
So KEQ hires ringers now? LOL..I can remembering mentioning doing that and I was crucified for it. Oh well, we wll change with the times.
I know, I know. I got some cream for it and the swelling has gone down. And your right we have changed, squad up with me next time you're on, its gonna be fun |
Gelhad Thremyr
Quebec United
The CORVOS
55
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:08:00 -
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Some of you people clearly do not understand boolean algebra. If you can stand up against Nyain San, What The French, or any other old time corp. WHAT THE **** ARE YOU DOING IN PFC !
Since CCP as forgot to do entry level mechanics into PC we are taking great length to providing one ourselves by being organized. Being in Oldelulf is NOT A RIGHT in this game. It has strings attached. If you think you can handle the big boys, its time for you to leave. Those that are complaining that they do not want the protection because they can fare by themselves have painted themselves in a corner with a target on their head holding a sign "please remove me from PFC because I am old enough to go play with the mob".
You guys seriously need to re-read all yourselves, this is my last comment in this thread I am also grabbing pop corn, because I really enjoy a clown shows ! |
BRBQQ
Healing Pie of Hope
2
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:23:00 -
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Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Wow, glad I missed most of this conversation.
As a note, the people who have actually appeared in the PFC council discussion so far have been supportive of a rule for people not to attack until clones are full. If this rule is implemented, it will pretty much ensure that a district still makes both the weekly fee, and some semblance of income for the corp, every week. Do you even math bro? Explain to me exactly how you can have your cake and eat it to? The goal of PFC is to promote fights for corps that want into PC. Farming, be it for rent or otherwise, was never part of the plan. If corporations are currently farming let's see the evidence and well gget some good ol' fashion mob justice going to turn that district over to someone else. I'll never vote for you. Stop pretending you represent the voice of the council. You represent only those corps least capable of having a district and whom are willing to pay protection money to farm ISK half the week. Your plan is good, but a CPM candidate should have picked a smarter target.
WAIT ONE SECOND
over the past 6 months HOW long was your district full? just how long? probalby 70% of the time.
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Judge SoTa PoP
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:29:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=141099&find=unread |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
2436
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:39:00 -
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Gelhad Thremyr wrote:Some of you people clearly do not understand boolean algebra. If you can stand up against Nyain San, What The French, or any other old time corp. WHAT THE **** ARE YOU DOING IN PFC !
Since CCP as forgot to do entry level mechanics into PC we are taking great length to providing one ourselves by being organized. Being in Oldelulf is NOT A RIGHT in this game. It has strings attached. If you think you can handle the big boys, its time for you to leave. Those that are complaining that they do not want the protection because they can fare by themselves have painted themselves in a corner with a target on their head holding a sign "please remove me from PFC because I am old enough to go play with the mob".
You guys seriously need to re-read all yourselves, this is my last comment in this thread I am also grabbing pop corn, because I really enjoy a clown show !
which PFC corp has said that they can stand up to corps outside of PFC?
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm.
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
813
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:47:00 -
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Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Wow, glad I missed most of this conversation.
As a note, the people who have actually appeared in the PFC council discussion so far have been supportive of a rule for people not to attack until clones are full. If this rule is implemented, it will pretty much ensure that a district still makes both the weekly fee, and some semblance of income for the corp, every week. Do you even math bro? Explain to me exactly how you can have your cake and eat it to? The goal of PFC is to promote fights for corps that want into PC. Farming, be it for rent or otherwise, was never part of the plan. If corporations are currently farming let's see the evidence and well gget some good ol' fashion mob justice going to turn that district over to someone else. I'll never vote for you. Stop pretending you represent the voice of the council. You represent only those corps least capable of having a district and whom are willing to pay protection money to farm ISK half the week. Your plan is good, but a CPM candidate should have picked a smarter target.
Please do not include DF in the "least capable" category. Can you Defend against NS,FA,DDB if they brought their A team? I don't think so. As far as farming isk, we have 5 battles in 7 days, sorry if you feel this way.
We can hang with any corp on our level, we pay the insurance so we can continue training with them when the power houses come to town.
CEO
Whiskey squad leader
Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
1407
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Posted - 2014.02.09 02:00:00 -
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Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Wow, glad I missed most of this conversation.
As a note, the people who have actually appeared in the PFC council discussion so far have been supportive of a rule for people not to attack until clones are full. If this rule is implemented, it will pretty much ensure that a district still makes both the weekly fee, and some semblance of income for the corp, every week. Do you even math bro? Explain to me exactly how you can have your cake and eat it to? The goal of PFC is to promote fights for corps that want into PC. Farming, be it for rent or otherwise, was never part of the plan. If corporations are currently farming let's see the evidence and well gget some good ol' fashion mob justice going to turn that district over to someone else. I'll never vote for you. Stop pretending you represent the voice of the council. You represent only those corps least capable of having a district and whom are willing to pay protection money to farm ISK half the week. Your plan is good, but a CPM candidate should have picked a smarter target.
People seem to agree you should only attack a district with full clones. If that's the case, you should one, or usually two clone regens (About 18 million ISK) during the time you're Under Attack. Now, not all will follow that rule, particularly outside attackers (of which I know are faced frequently on PFC), but it should average out to allowing you to make just enough ISK between fights to cover the bill, and maybe pay for some tanks. In many cases, just due to not losing that many clones, even when we get attack back-to-back, we end up making that much ISK in the interim between fights, just because the game works that way. We're not talking about farming here.
As I've said before, I don't really make game decisions based on whether or not they'll get me votes. I make them on what's good for my guys, and the community. I make no money off of this arrangement, but our guys have seen how badly PFC has been handled in the past, and a chump change fee to cover the costs with better management and enforcement is an easy bargain for us. It's worth it. And I truly believe this will give us a better grade of PFC for all of our corps to enjoy.
I don't believe I ever said I represent the voice of the council. I serve them. Nobody from your corp has stepped forwards to represent your corp there, so I ask where your dedication is to having that voice in the first place. Even in the case of a corp being able to defend itself, in most cases, the fee is worth it to cover both removal of other corps (providing us a better experience of competitive play) as well as insurance for cases we can't cover. We have no illusions about our ability to protect ourselves from an Ancient Exiles A-team. However, we're fairly confident Negative-Feedback can.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Spartan MK420
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
207
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Posted - 2014.02.09 18:57:00 -
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Just put down the pitchforks, soak up the tears, get the torches, and burn the mfkr down already. 
Official Unofficial D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.
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Judge SoTa PoP
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
39
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Posted - 2014.02.09 21:53:00 -
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Spartan MK420 wrote:Just put down the pitchforks, soak up the tears, get the torches, and burn the mfkr down already.
I know DL is used to watching districts burn... well, there own. But maybe you guys could chill the blood lust until you can actually win a game? Lol |
CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm.
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
818
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Posted - 2014.02.09 23:26:00 -
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Judge SoTa PoP wrote:Spartan MK420 wrote:Just put down the pitchforks, soak up the tears, get the torches, and burn the mfkr down already. I know DL is used to watching districts burn... well, there own. But maybe you guys could chill the blood lust until you can actually win a game? Lol
All this popcorn is making me fat.
CEO
Whiskey squad leader
Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2621
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Posted - 2014.02.10 00:29:00 -
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One issue is ringers.
I believe that so long as its alliance members then this is fine and provided its not abused to pull in better players from a corps alliance purely to win a match ie you don't go replacing members from your corp simply because you can get a better ringer from your alliance.
When they are used from your alliance because you need to fill gaps then this is fine.
When a corps members are replaced with ringers because they are better then this is a problem.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
1411
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Posted - 2014.02.10 00:47:00 -
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TechMechMeds, it'd actually be really hard to enforce that without having someone watching their team formup for every match. ;)
I know in our alliance's case, it isn't a desire to replace anyone in a corp, but that simply the entire alliance is welcome to participate, and people are selected from the overall group. We try to make sure everyone gets in at some point. A lot of times, we actually intentionally pick "newbies first" explicitly, even though our entire team can always use more practice.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2621
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Posted - 2014.02.10 00:52:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:TechMechMeds, it'd actually be really hard to enforce that without having someone watching their team formup for every match. ;)
I know in our alliance's case, it isn't a desire to replace anyone in a corp, but that simply the entire alliance is welcome to participate, and people are selected from the overall group. We try to make sure everyone gets in at some point. A lot of times, we actually intentionally pick "newbies first" explicitly, even though our entire team can always use more practice.
That's true but alliance ringers are important, especially for corps still growing and your alliance operates precisely how ours will as well then in relation to this.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2621
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Posted - 2014.02.10 00:53:00 -
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It'd become apparent very quickly if a corp did that as well.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2621
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Posted - 2014.02.10 01:04:00 -
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We should build the pfc rules on what is good for its purpose and how those will help corps get the training they need and then weed out the abusers, they will show themselves very quickly.
Theres no point trying to base rules on countrring abusers in a pre emptive strike because they will find a way anyway but will be recognised very quickly.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2621
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Posted - 2014.02.10 01:05:00 -
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I'm off now. o7.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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Kain Spero
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
2803
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Posted - 2014.02.11 17:02:00 -
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We would like to thank Valor Coalition for there help and cooperation in peacefully transitioning Swamp Tempo onto PFC. Valor voiced their support for PFC and the PFC council and then their actions proved their words.
Octavius, I would also like to thank you personally for your patience as the situation was resolved. I look forward to working with you in the future in PFC matters especially to address some lingering issues in reaching out to the Spanish community on PFC.
I happy to announce that PFC council has reached the majority on the planet and look forward to all of PFC joining and participating in the council and in the future activity on PFC.
Owner of Spero Escrow Services
Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2678
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Posted - 2014.02.11 17:16:00 -
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I made a thread thanking valor, I guess I should have put it here as its now buried pretty much lol.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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Rigel Knietzch
Valor Coalition
50
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Posted - 2014.02.11 17:20:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:I made a thread thanking valor, I guess I should have put it here as its now buried pretty much lol.
We are not very active in the forums but it has been noted, send me a mail for when you guys want to skirmish with our new recruits.
* Winner of "The Scrubbiest Player in Dust 514"
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2679
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Posted - 2014.02.11 17:25:00 -
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Rigel Knietzch wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:I made a thread thanking valor, I guess I should have put it here as its now buried pretty much lol. We are not very active in the forums but it has been noted, send me a mail for when you guys want to skirmish with our new recruits.
Sounds good 
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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Maximus Stryker
Who Are Those Guys
812
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Posted - 2014.02.16 17:53:00 -
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Epic thread, thanks for the good read.
May we live in interesting times.
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PIE Ground Control | Caldari Hierarchy | Turalyon | Chosen Matari
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Eugene Killmore
Red Star.
EoN.
315
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Posted - 2014.02.16 18:23:00 -
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The corps on PFC are the epitome of everything that is wrong with PC. They are risk adverse care bears with a sense of entitlement so great they had to make a council to build there tiny egos. They have no interest in getting better and 90% will never have districts outside of pfc... Most probably dont even want one tbh. People who support pfc in its current state should be ashamed of ruining the fighting spirit of pfc by encouraging this care bear mentality, where strong corps such as mine are deemed undeseriable for being to agressive. Others sit back and exploit pfc for profit and the community cheers lol "yay for stability" how about "yay for predictability" I would still like a district on pfc so I can scrim and actually maybe break into pc *gasp* In closing if the council would like to get better please find me a spot on pfc and I will give you all the gud fites you want 
Space biggie said "More ISK More Problems"
Forever repping that Red*Star 666 illuminati thug mafia.
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CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm.
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
896
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Posted - 2014.02.16 18:34:00 -
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Eugene Killmore wrote:The corps on PFC are the epitome of everything that is wrong with PC. They are risk adverse care bears with a sense of entitlement so great they had to make a council to build there tiny egos. They have no interest in getting better and 90% will never have districts outside of pfc... Most probably dont even want one tbh. People who support pfc in its current state should be ashamed of ruining the fighting spirit of pfc by encouraging this care bear mentality, where strong corps such as mine are deemed undeseriable for being to agressive. Others sit back and exploit pfc for profit and the community cheers lol "yay for stability" how about "yay for predictability" I would still like a district on pfc so I can scrim and actually maybe break into pc *gasp* In closing if the council would like to get better please find me a spot on pfc and I will give you all the gud fites you want
Eugene, please stop speaking as if you know the intentions and capabilities of those of us on PFC. If you want a district, go through the proper channeling, but your chest thumping is getting you nowhere fast.
CEO
Whiskey squad leader
Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
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