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TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2548	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:02:00 - [61] - Quote Cringing over. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Bud Selig 4	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:04:00 - [62] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Will the monetary budget be made for public viewing? Since it is a collaboration, there should be no numbers to hide, right? Who is in charge of the wallet? I am guessing Kane is. Answers? the owners have voted and passed a team luxury tax. You are in violation of not paying the union your tax for the high payroll. Fun Fact.. Yankees, highest payroll, yet couldn't make the playoffs... rough year for the pinstripes I guess. Commissioner Regional BBQ Competition Judge Rampage's Parole Officer
Common- Sense 1	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:07:00 - [63] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: This is where sht starts to freak me out seriously. We are talking about a game here and a currency that is worth nothing unless you play the game, nothing. And still worth next to nothing. Can we chill with this freaky sht, thanks. Just for the record this is not an attack or even a complaint even if it seems like one. What they have done is absolutely brilliant and there is nothing wrong with it. If those whom have positions on the planet and council are happy with the arraignment than itGÇÖs a win-win for all sides I was just commenting because I was so impressed by the strategy and maneuvering that brought us to this point.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2548	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:11:00 - [64] - Quote Common- Sense wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: This is where sht starts to freak me out seriously. We are talking about a game here and a currency that is worth nothing unless you play the game, nothing. And still worth next to nothing. Can we chill with this freaky sht, thanks. Just for the record this is not an attack or even a complaint even if it seems like one. What they have done is absolutely brilliant and there is nothing wrong with it. If those whom have positions on the planet and council are happy with the arraignment than itGÇÖs a win-win for all sides I was just commenting because I was so impressed by the strategy and maneuvering that brought us to this point. I know but anyone who has actually dealt with real business knows theres a catch, its expected. Its really nothing special and to be expected. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2548	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:15:00 - [65] - Quote And yes everyone is happy. What's your main common sense? Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1330	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:21:00 - [66] - Quote Regarding money, we know how much everyone pays in, and we should know whenever an enforcement action has to take place. Therefore, we should know about how much money is going in and out of the operation, and hence, we should know how good of a deal we are or are not getting. These are all topics that the Council should discuss in the appropriate area. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2548	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:22:00 - [67] - Quote Common- Sense wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: This is where sht starts to freak me out seriously. We are talking about a game here and a currency that is worth nothing unless you play the game, nothing. And still worth next to nothing. Can we chill with this freaky sht, thanks. Just for the record this is not an attack or even a complaint even if it seems like one. What they have done is absolutely brilliant and there is nothing wrong with it. If those whom have positions on the planet and council are happy with the arraignment than itGÇÖs a win-win for all sides. I was just commenting because I was so impressed by the strategy and maneuvering that brought us to this point. Getting people to pay protection money and be happy about doing it at the same time is not easy! Never mind. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2548	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:31:00 - [68] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Regarding money, we know how much everyone pays in, and we should know whenever an enforcement action has to take place. Therefore, we should know about how much money is going in and out of the operation, and hence, we should know how good of a deal we are or are not getting. These are all topics that the Council should discuss in the appropriate area. Yeah sure sounds good. I had an idea that once a month a top notch team can attack each district to see if people still really need to be on pfc or are just farming isk. This would be at the 'discretion' of said top notch team and would have to be assembled by someone who isn't going to fk about. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1331	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:36:00 - [69] - Quote Someone in my alliance posed a somewhat similar idea. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 204	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:42:00 - [70] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Regarding money, we know how much everyone pays in, and we should know whenever an enforcement action has to take place. Therefore, we should know about how much money is going in and out of the operation, and hence, we should know how good of a deal we are or are not getting. These are all topics that the Council should discuss in the appropriate area. Gotcha, so just keep a rolling memo in your head. LOL...Excellent idea. Now, who is in control of the wallet?

Bud Selig 6	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:06:00 - [71] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Regarding money, we know how much everyone pays in, and we should know whenever an enforcement action has to take place. Therefore, we should know about how much money is going in and out of the operation, and hence, we should know how good of a deal we are or are not getting. These are all topics that the Council should discuss in the appropriate area. Gotcha, so just keep a rolling memo in your head. LOL...Excellent idea. Now, who is in control of the wallet? Mr. nuts I'm going to have to ask you to submit a sample for testing. This is part of our random testing program to ensure all players are clean and free of performance enhancing...substances. You can expect the results back in less than 24 hours. If cleared, you may continue and good luck in the upcoming season. If you fail the test, you will be subject to sanctions that could lead up to a 50 game suspension and usurping Rampage on the daily 'get trolled' list for 1st time offenders. good luck to you sir and please wash your hands, lots of germs floating around currently Commissioner Regional BBQ Competition Judge Rampage's Parole Officer
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 204	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:12:00 - [72] - Quote Bud Selig wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Regarding money, we know how much everyone pays in, and we should know whenever an enforcement action has to take place. Therefore, we should know about how much money is going in and out of the operation, and hence, we should know how good of a deal we are or are not getting. These are all topics that the Council should discuss in the appropriate area. Gotcha, so just keep a rolling memo in your head. LOL...Excellent idea. Now, who is in control of the wallet? Mr. nuts I'm going to have to ask you to submit a sample for testing. This is part of our random testing program to ensure all players are clean and free of performance enhancing...substances. You can expect the results back in less than 24 hours. If cleared, you may continue and good luck in the upcoming season. If you fail the test, you will be subject to sanctions that could lead up to a 50 game suspension and usurping Rampage on the daily 'get trolled' list for 1st time offenders. good luck to you sir and please wash your hands, lots of germs floating around currently hahaha, where do I submit sample?
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 906	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:17:00 - [73] - Quote lol.. rampage's mouth of course
Tim Rapp Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 103	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:32:00 - [74] - Quote I think 10 mill for insurance may be a little high... gotta remember that it's mostly smaller corps wanting to train in pfc not big ones
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2200	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:42:00 - [75] - Quote Common- Sense wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: This is where sht starts to freak me out seriously. We are talking about a game here and a currency that is worth nothing unless you play the game, nothing. And still worth next to nothing. Can we chill with this freaky sht, thanks. Just for the record this is not an attack or even a complaint even if it seems like one. What they have done is absolutely brilliant and there is nothing wrong with it. If those whom have positions on the planet and council are happy with the arraignment than itGÇÖs a win-win for all sides. I was just commenting because I was so impressed by the strategy and maneuvering that brought us to this point. Getting people to pay protection money and be happy about doing it at the same time is not easy! Charolette can it. Listen I'll change the song every week
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 722	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:49:00 - [76] - Quote Bud Selig wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Will the monetary budget be made for public viewing? Since it is a collaboration, there should be no numbers to hide, right? Who is in charge of the wallet? I am guessing Kane is. Answers? the owners have voted and passed a team luxury tax. You are in violation of not paying the union your tax for the high payroll. Fun Fact.. Yankees, highest payroll, yet couldn't make the playoffs... rough year for the pinstripes I guess. Yankees blow anyway. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 723	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:00:00 - [77] - Quote Tim Rapp wrote: I think 10 mill for insurance may be a little high... gotta remember that it's mostly smaller corps wanting to train in pfc not big ones Ten mil is a **** in the ocean for us, we have aggressive fundraising and a tax in our corp that allows for many things. We have also been prepping for this step into PC through PFC for a long time, so paying a weekly fee is something DF was prepared for a long time ago. Planning, planning, planning, you have to plan your moves in advance so it doesn't hit you and your players as a surprise when you get ready to take that next step. Do the math on what it would cost to fund ONE district under attack outside PFC. One that was under attack four days a week, buying clones to replenish, paying ringers if needed. This is a cheap way into PC and training at the top level at the same time. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Tim Rapp Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 103	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:22:00 - [78] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Tim Rapp wrote: I think 10 mill for insurance may be a little high... gotta remember that it's mostly smaller corps wanting to train in pfc not big ones Ten mil is a **** in the ocean for us, we have aggressive fundraising and a tax in our corp that allows for many things. We have also been prepping for this step into PC through PFC for a long time, so paying a weekly fee is something DF was prepared for a long time ago. Planning, planning, planning, you have to plan your moves in advance so it doesn't hit you and your players as a surprise when you get ready to take that next step. Do the math on what it would cost to fund ONE district under attack outside PFC. One that was under attack four days a week, buying clones to replenish, paying ringers if needed. This is a cheap way into PC and training at the top level at the same time. Your right we didn't plan for this because we didn't think of this... but think about it you have 60 members and a 25% tax rate, we have 40 members and a 10% tax rate. So even if you had a 10% tax you'd make more than us but you have 25% tax, more than double of ours because we don't believe in robbing our members blind. And fyi we have been attacked by several outside corps trying to take our district from us even though we are in pfc so we know what it is like
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1333	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:25:00 - [79] - Quote Just a quick referee moment: 25% tax isn't "robbing members blind". Different corps work in different ways. It's a bar of measure between capitalism and socialism, how much is skimmed off the top to create the services that benefit members. Everyone should be fully aware up front what the tax rate is of the corp they're joining, and what it's used for. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 727	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:49:00 - [80] - Quote Tim Rapp wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Tim Rapp wrote: I think 10 mill for insurance may be a little high... gotta remember that it's mostly smaller corps wanting to train in pfc not big ones Ten mil is a **** in the ocean for us, we have aggressive fundraising and a tax in our corp that allows for many things. We have also been prepping for this step into PC through PFC for a long time, so paying a weekly fee is something DF was prepared for a long time ago. Planning, planning, planning, you have to plan your moves in advance so it doesn't hit you and your players as a surprise when you get ready to take that next step. Do the math on what it would cost to fund ONE district under attack outside PFC. One that was under attack four days a week, buying clones to replenish, paying ringers if needed. This is a cheap way into PC and training at the top level at the same time. Your right we didn't plan for this because we didn't think of this... but think about it you have 60 members and a 25% tax rate, we have 40 members and a 10% tax rate. So even if you had a 10% tax you'd make more than us but you have 25% tax, more than double of ours because we don't believe in robbing our members blind. And fyi we have been attacked by several outside corps trying to take our district from us even though we are in pfc so we know what it is like I'm just trying to help you learn from our past mistakes, not arguing. Our tax rate is what it is not to rob our players, but because we know it is VERY expensive to run a successful military campaign. We tried PC once before, we were not ready as a corp, and especially in the wallet dept. We have the tax where it is to do what we planned on months ago. All players understand why it is what it is. I can give you some ideas on fund raising sometime, some that have worked very well for us in the past. Hit me with a mail if you want. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~

Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2208	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:54:00 - [81] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Just a quick referee moment: 25% tax isn't "robbing members blind". Different corps work in different ways. It's a bar of measure between capitalism and socialism, how much is skimmed off the top to create the services that benefit members. Everyone should be fully aware up front what the tax rate is of the corp they're joining, and what it's used for. TCR runs at 8.5% I might send x amount of funds your way as these districts are an asset to the alliance as a whole. and I don't have anything to spend ISK on say having 5 Mill sent to you every week? TCR would still profit easily. Listen I'll change the song every week
Superhero Rawdon Chaotic-Intent General Tso's Alliance 161	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:17:00 - [82] - Quote Tim Rapp wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Tim Rapp wrote: I think 10 mill for insurance may be a little high... gotta remember that it's mostly smaller corps wanting to train in pfc not big ones Ten mil is a **** in the ocean for us, we have aggressive fundraising and a tax in our corp that allows for many things. We have also been prepping for this step into PC through PFC for a long time, so paying a weekly fee is something DF was prepared for a long time ago. Planning, planning, planning, you have to plan your moves in advance so it doesn't hit you and your players as a surprise when you get ready to take that next step. Do the math on what it would cost to fund ONE district under attack outside PFC. One that was under attack four days a week, buying clones to replenish, paying ringers if needed. This is a cheap way into PC and training at the top level at the same time. Your right we didn't plan for this because we didn't think of this... but think about it you have 60 members and a 25% tax rate, we have 40 members and a 10% tax rate. So even if you had a 10% tax you'd make more than us but you have 25% tax, more than double of ours because we don't believe in robbing our members blind. And fyi we have been attacked by several outside corps trying to take our district from us even though we are in pfc so we know what it is like is that why u had exemplars ringing when we attacked, even tho i sent a message to your ceo telling him it was a friendly attack? boy, what an asskicking we got tho. good job. i bleed chocolate milk........and poop batarangs
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2208	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:20:00 - [83] - Quote Superhero Rawdon wrote: Tim Rapp wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Tim Rapp wrote: I think 10 mill for insurance may be a little high... gotta remember that it's mostly smaller corps wanting to train in pfc not big ones Ten mil is a **** in the ocean for us, we have aggressive fundraising and a tax in our corp that allows for many things. We have also been prepping for this step into PC through PFC for a long time, so paying a weekly fee is something DF was prepared for a long time ago. Planning, planning, planning, you have to plan your moves in advance so it doesn't hit you and your players as a surprise when you get ready to take that next step. Do the math on what it would cost to fund ONE district under attack outside PFC. One that was under attack four days a week, buying clones to replenish, paying ringers if needed. This is a cheap way into PC and training at the top level at the same time. Your right we didn't plan for this because we didn't think of this... but think about it you have 60 members and a 25% tax rate, we have 40 members and a 10% tax rate. So even if you had a 10% tax you'd make more than us but you have 25% tax, more than double of ours because we don't believe in robbing our members blind. And fyi we have been attacked by several outside corps trying to take our district from us even though we are in pfc so we know what it is like is that why u had exemplars ringing when we attacked, even tho i sent a message to your ceo telling him it was a friendly attack? boy, what an asskicking we got tho. good job. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Top_Men./corporations GMD's the smallest US side corp kinda makes a difference. Listen I'll change the song every week
Superhero Rawdon Chaotic-Intent General Tso's Alliance 161	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:21:00 - [84] - Quote wellllllll............CHI is wnating a pfc district. we are wanting to fight and get better. but we arent willing to spend 150mil to get one. especially not when theres a weekly protection fee, which shouldnt b paid weekly, but as needed. u guys gotta revise your prices a bit. 150mil to get into pfc? i understand that much for a regular district, but pfc? i bleed chocolate milk........and poop batarangs
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2208	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:26:00 - [85] - Quote Superhero Rawdon wrote: wellllllll............CHI is wnating a pfc district. we are wanting to fight and get better. but we arent willing to spend 150mil to get one. especially not when theres a weekly protection fee, which shouldnt b paid weekly, but as needed. u guys gotta revise your prices a bit. 150mil to get into pfc? i understand that much for a regular district, but pfc? Hmm I've given ISK to those who attack us A) because I love fighting in PFC B) New corps need help with training C) I can afford to lose a little ISK I'd have tought that the Generals would let you all come into their battles Listen I'll change the song every week
Superhero Rawdon Chaotic-Intent General Tso's Alliance 161	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:31:00 - [86] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Superhero Rawdon wrote: wellllllll............CHI is wnating a pfc district. we are wanting to fight and get better. but we arent willing to spend 150mil to get one. especially not when theres a weekly protection fee, which shouldnt b paid weekly, but as needed. u guys gotta revise your prices a bit. 150mil to get into pfc? i understand that much for a regular district, but pfc? Hmm I've given ISK to those who attack us A) because I love fighting in PFC B) New corps need help with training C) I can afford to lose a little ISK I'd have tought that the Generals would let you all come into their battles eh. they prefer to field their own team as far as i know. cant blame them. overall, the exp for us is lacking. we are smaller, none of us are rich, and our tax is at 10% which quite frankly doesnt earn u much, and we are looking to fight. but as u know, its hard for smaller, not-as-good-or-as-rich corps out here in the frigid cold of MH >_> i bleed chocolate milk........and poop batarangs
Superhero Rawdon Chaotic-Intent General Tso's Alliance 161	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:36:00 - [87] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Superhero Rawdon wrote: Tim Rapp wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Tim Rapp wrote: I think 10 mill for insurance may be a little high... gotta remember that it's mostly smaller corps wanting to train in pfc not big ones Ten mil is a **** in the ocean for us, we have aggressive fundraising and a tax in our corp that allows for many things. We have also been prepping for this step into PC through PFC for a long time, so paying a weekly fee is something DF was prepared for a long time ago. Planning, planning, planning, you have to plan your moves in advance so it doesn't hit you and your players as a surprise when you get ready to take that next step. Do the math on what it would cost to fund ONE district under attack outside PFC. One that was under attack four days a week, buying clones to replenish, paying ringers if needed. This is a cheap way into PC and training at the top level at the same time. Your right we didn't plan for this because we didn't think of this... but think about it you have 60 members and a 25% tax rate, we have 40 members and a 10% tax rate. So even if you had a 10% tax you'd make more than us but you have 25% tax, more than double of ours because we don't believe in robbing our members blind. And fyi we have been attacked by several outside corps trying to take our district from us even though we are in pfc so we know what it is like is that why u had exemplars ringing when we attacked, even tho i sent a message to your ceo telling him it was a friendly attack? boy, what an asskicking we got tho. good job. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Top_Men./corporations GMD's the smallest US side corp kinda makes a difference. no, i was aware of the alliance they are in when i launched the attack. im not bitching about the use of ringers. i chalk it up to them assuming we were coming hard for them and their district. which, if they did, then their ceo is stupid or incompetent or both, as i sent a message to him telling him we werent gonna re-attack if we won. well, we didnt win. shrugs but if thats how GMD regularly runs their pc's, then disregard everything ive said. (i say that bc there were very few gmd in that match. but thats how it goes sometimes ;) ) i bleed chocolate milk........and poop batarangs
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1333	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:38:00 - [88] - Quote Chaotic-Intent: Alliance members have always been allowed to fight on PFC districts. And Top Men always fights mixed teams. Exemplars is our largest force US-side, so they generally make up a decent portion of our matches. They're practicing same as the rest of us. Once the new PFC thing is under control, there may be districts available. I am not sure if there will be an initial placement cost. There might not be, provided the weekly contribution to the enforcement fund is provided. (I am not a money person, I don't deal in money.) Right now, we're trying to get the existing folks settled into the community to chat about how PFC will operate. Once we have that, we'll put out a method for you to get on a waitlist, and then we'll fill any open spots down that list. Ideally. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Superhero Rawdon Chaotic-Intent General Tso's Alliance 161	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:47:00 - [89] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Chaotic-Intent: Alliance members have always been allowed to fight on PFC districts. And Top Men always fights mixed teams. Exemplars is our largest force US-side, so they generally make up a decent portion of our matches. They're practicing same as the rest of us. once again, i dont care. i only brought it up bc i assumed that they were under the impression that we were coming for their district. which we werent. i also said to disregard my statements if thats the way they usually do things. not a big deal. lol. i dont get mad about alliance ringers. i bleed chocolate milk........and poop batarangs
Tim Rapp Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 103	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:57:00 - [90] - Quote When we asked our Corp if they wanted to get into pfc almost everyone replied yes but only 3-5 players of our Corp actually log on for the battle... if everyone that said yes got on we would be able to field a full 16 but our luck just didn't work that way... that's why most of our team are alliance members... fyi I'm on more often than my CEO so if you want to warn us about that type of stuff you can send me a mail instead.



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