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Common- Sense
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Posted - 2014.02.04 18:48:00 -
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Absolutely brilliant strategy by Negative Feedback.
My hats are off to you gentleman. You have put in place a system that generates political goodwill towards your alliance, economic gain in the form of willingly paid weekly GÇ£protectionGÇ¥ money and likely also additional funds for initial placement, future allies and resources, while also creating little to no real risk for yourselves. If corps should decide they donGÇÖt need protection IGÇÖm sure itGÇÖs easy enough to find a third party to remind them of its benefits.
Even better you have given those paying the GÇ£protectionGÇ¥ money the illusion that they have real control and a say in matters by using this council set-up while also recruiting useful idiots to do a majority of the legwork and propaganda such as Soraya Xel who does it believing that showing leadership in this is a way to get himself elected to CPM1 instead of the reality which is playing that fool and selling all of you in to slavery.
Well played NF, Well played. - O7 |
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Posted - 2014.02.04 19:07:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:This is where sht starts to freak me out seriously.
We are talking about a game here and a currency that is worth nothing unless you play the game, nothing. And still worth next to nothing.
Can we chill with this freaky sht, thanks.
Just for the record this is not an attack or even a complaint even if it seems like one. What they have done is absolutely brilliant and there is nothing wrong with it. If those whom have positions on the planet and council are happy with the arraignment than itGÇÖs a win-win for all sides
I was just commenting because I was so impressed by the strategy and maneuvering that brought us to this point.
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:22:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:you aren't understanding my point with the council adding and losing corps in a month or two, thats how long i think you should stay on PFC before you have to give up your spot. The important point: Nobody gives a crud what a Nyain San member thinks should be done on PFC.It doesn't affect you, and it's none of your business.
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Common- Sense
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:51:00 -
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You should worry very much about what Nyain San thinks as well as the rest of the forces of Molden Heath are thinking. You seem to forget that there is NO right for Planet Fight Club to exist and it does so only by the grace of the major powers of MH. Powers whom believe in giving smaller corps a chance to develop. Powers whom want Planetary Conquest to succeed and know that only by bringing in new players and new corps that it has a chance to do so.
However, these same powers now watch as PFC becomes a revenue stream for a potential rival with entry and protection fees vs. the act of charity it was to this point. They also watch as this new council and its leader spits in their face and tells them that their good will is no longer needed. NF is a great force and one to be respected and feared. However, if the whole of Molden Heath decides that Planet Fight Club is no longer of value there will be little that can be done to stop the resulting tidal wave.
I respect what you are trying to accomplish here. I really do. But, you would be wise to remember what I have stated before making these kind of statements. Your are running for office. Try being political and perhaps not poking the hibernating bear.
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:45:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:
Also, note that while PFC in the past was a bit of a New Eden anomaly, being a "charity" of sorts, this new model is more akin to a renter system in EVE. In New Eden, generally, territory is held by one of two ways: Being strong enough to defend it yourself, or renting it from someone who is. By contract with N-F, PFC should become a beneficial arrangement for all parties involved.
That is an interesting observation and one I had pondered myself. It will be interesting to see how this system moves forward in Dust. |
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Posted - 2014.02.06 14:38:00 -
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Quote:Kain Spero wrote:
I would also like to thank Soraya for his continued work in providing the needed tools to ensure that the council will operate smoothly. I'm sure the larger powers in Molden Heath and smaller entities that feel as though they have something to prove will continue to threaten PFC and the community spirit of Dust that it represents. Negative-Feedback will continue to stand strong with interim PFC council and the contract that we have with PFC.
Quote:Kain Spero wrote:
The weekly payment also ensures that PFC members have skin in the game and a vested interest to insure participation in the council. Members that don't pay into the weekly contract also become easy to identify as members that don't contribute to PFC and are probably better suited to a location in Molden Heath outside of Planet Fight Club
Don't say I did not warn you.
Quote:Common- Sense wrote:Even better you have given those paying the GÇ£protectionGÇ¥ money the illusion that they have real control and a say in matters by using this council set-up while also recruiting useful idiots to do a majority of the legwork and propaganda such as Soraya Xel who does it believing that showing leadership in this is a way to get himself elected to CPM1 instead of the reality which is playing that fool and selling all of you in to slavery.
Like I said... well played NF. Please continue with the "It is for the community!" story line. I'm pretty sure they all believe you. |
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Posted - 2014.02.07 20:01:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:
I suspect the leadership of AE's respect for PFC and the greater Dust community to make that not an issue, but New Eden is full of surprises and organizations making bad decisions.
New Eden is also full of deceit, misdirection, and ulterior motives. The fact that PFC is considered a bit of a GÇ£sacred cowGÇ¥ plays in to business side of this protection scheme. If a full scale takeover attempt of PFC was ever attempted by a quality organization(s) then it could quickly become unprofitable. While NF continues to project rainbows, flowers, and sunshine let us not be confused. As key personnel of Negative Feedback have stated time and time again it is all about the ISK.
Let me be clear though when I state there is nothing wrong with this. The fact is that two goals can be accomplished at once. NF can run its protection scheme while also providing a very valuable service to the GÇ£protectedGÇ¥. In truth it is brilliant and we are watching for what may be the first time the largest planet in Molden Heath being effectively taken without a shot fired and turned in to what could be viewed as a Dust version of EveGÇÖs GÇ£rentingGÇ¥ mechanic. With that said PFC as many thought it to be is dead and replaced with another modelGǪ. a business model. But, in the end isn't that so very GÇ£EveGÇ¥ like?
Quote:Kain Spero wrote:
The weekly payment also ensures that PFC members have skin in the game and a vested interest to insure participation in the council. Members that don't pay into the weekly contract also become easy to identify as members that don't contribute to PFC and are probably better suited to a location in Molden Heath outside of Planet Fight Club
It is and will probably continue to be very interesting to watch. Shame it is now being discussed in the shadows even though I understand why that is being done. I'm curious to see how this model holds up after upcoming PC changes from CCP. Who knows it may in fact be more profitable than holding territory.
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