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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.05 06:05:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1142409#post1142409
So, are these the rules we're following? The Council, once we get enough people signed up over there, will vote in a set of rules. No longer will TeamPlayers or Ancient Exiles determine our rules of play.
Having a Council make rules makes no sense to me because the council consist of corps who won't always have a district on PFC so every time more corps join new rules would have to be established because district ownership on PFC should be changing ever month or two, the newer corps may not like the old rules so they could change and just make everything confusing so I think a outside corp should set the rules |
Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:34:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:Having a Council make rules makes no sense to me because the council consist of corps who won't always have a district on PFC so every time more corps join new rules would have to be established because district ownership on PFC should be changing ever month or two, the newer corps may not like the old rules so they could change and just make everything confusing so I think a outside corp should set the rules
Edit: Zero-Day alliance should not have 3 district on PFC And as the Council changes, they may choose to vote to change out rules as warranted. You realize that having legislators make laws doesn't make any less sense because legislators eventually get replaced by other legislators, right?
you aren't understanding my point with the council adding and losing corps in a month or two, thats how long i think you should stay on PFC before you have to give up your spot. As the council changes the rules for PFC may be changed as well, I just feel the rules if they constantly change would just get to confusing to follow, thats why i feel like a outside corp should set the rules for PFC because not one corp is on PFC forever. |
Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:05:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:Having a Council make rules makes no sense to me because the council consist of corps who won't always have a district on PFC so every time more corps join new rules would have to be established because district ownership on PFC should be changing ever month or two, the newer corps may not like the old rules so they could change and just make everything confusing so I think a outside corp should set the rules
Edit: Zero-Day alliance should not have 3 district on PFC And as the Council changes, they may choose to vote to change out rules as warranted. You realize that having legislators make laws doesn't make any less sense because legislators eventually get replaced by other legislators, right? you aren't understanding my point with the council adding and losing corps in a month or two, thats how long i think you should stay on PFC before you have to give up your spot. As the council changes the rules for PFC may be changed as well, I just feel the rules if they constantly change would just get to confusing to follow, thats why i feel like a outside corp should set the rules for PFC because not one corp is on PFC forever. That is what has happened previously one corp deciding the rule. unfortunately as shown the ones in charge change so the same thing occurs every few months or so the rules change because of the corp in charge changing. With a council however if a set of rules are made then in say a month 3 corps have left and 3 new have joined that does not automatically mean the rules will change the new corps will take over the votes of the old and new rules may appear or they may not. It is not going to be a case of everytime some representatives change the entire rule set changes unless something drastic happens like a change in the mechanics of PC that affect PFC for example. It just makes it seem like with this council you are just trying to stay longer on PFC than corps should Here are 5 simple rules for PFC 1.) 1 to 2 months stay before you have to give up you district, If you are in an alliance you can't give it to another corp in your alliance 2.) 1 district per alliance on PFC some alliance have 2 to 3 district atm, this is to prevent an alliance to farm huge amounts of isk on PFC 3.) You can't own a district outside of PFC 4.) Ringers are allowed but you have to notify the crop you will be using them 5.) you can't move clones to attack a district outside PFC |
Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:47:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:you aren't understanding my point with the council adding and losing corps in a month or two, thats how long i think you should stay on PFC before you have to give up your spot. The important point: Nobody gives a crud what a Nyain San member thinks should be done on PFC.It doesn't affect you, and it's none of your business.
Ok thats a little uncalled for all I'm saying alliances like Top Men, Zero-Day should not be allowed to have multiple district on PFC when our corps probably want a chance to train for pc |
Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:56:00 -
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Gelhad Thremyr wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:you aren't understanding my point with the council adding and losing corps in a month or two, thats how long i think you should stay on PFC before you have to give up your spot. The important point: Nobody gives a crud what a Nyain San member thinks should be done on PFC.It doesn't affect you, and it's none of your business. Ok thats a little uncalled for all I'm saying alliances like Top Men, Zero-Day should not be allowed to have multiple district on PFC when our corps probably want a chance to train for pc What, your corp wants a chance to train for pc and you have more than 20% of molden heath ? Ok................ Did i miss something here.......... Do you seriously need a plan here ? What you have wrote makes no sense at all.... Ok cant write anymore.... Brrr...ain. Fried ! No you aren't understanding me why does alliances like the ones i mention get multiple district on PFC while others corp probably want to get a PFC district to train wasn't saying my corp but 3 PFC district for one alliance that is way too much |
Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:16:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Mr Machine Guns, in the case of Top Men, the only party I can speak for, we've been told by every major power who's ever run PFC that our case is acceptable. We operate in two time zones, US and EU time. The teams that practice and play on those districts are entirely different groups of people. And to this day, no PFC enforcement corp has mandated a one-per-alliance limit.
Whether or not this new group does or not largely depends on how the other members of PFC feel about it.
Personally, I'd be happy to see the PFC concept expand beyond Oddelulf, if needed, to provide enough space for any corps who wish to have a spot to get one. With PFC moving to a business model, this actually may now be a practical concept.
Common- Sense, I would not want to call myself the leader of the Council. I'm going to try and serve the Council's interests, by providing an organization framework, based almost entirely on their input. And once everything's put together, that will include the ability to replace me with someone else.
A member of Nyain San has almost no ability to comprehend what challenges do and do not face a smaller participant in PC. A month with a single district equals roughly 14 PC matches. It is ludicrous to believe that no corp should need more than 14 matches to be able to compete with Ancient Exiles or Nyain San. Especially when many of the PFC corps consist of players who do not all appear for every match, meaning any given player probably sees far less than 14 fights in that month. He should, I hope, be able to understand that he doesn't have the perspective necessary to make such a claim.
But the top corps never had a thing like PFC they just took there losses in PC and learned from them they didn't have an thing like PFC back in the day, so all I'm saying is i think this council is a bad idea i feel like its just a way for corps to stay on PFC longer than they should be allowed to stay, like i said 1 to 2 months max on it then you need to go out in MH and try and get a district outside of PFC, you can be allowed back to PFC but you go to the bottom of the list, Alliances only get one district but if the time zone are greatly different two is acceptable but alliances on PFC can't pass district off between thats just not fair to other corps |
Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:34:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:But the top corps never had a thing like PFC they just took there losses in PC and learned from them they didn't have an thing like PFC back in the day, so all I'm saying is i think this council is a bad idea i feel like its just a way for corps to stay on PFC longer than they should be allowed to stay, like i said 1 to 2 months max on it then you need to go out in MH and try and get a district outside of PFC, you can be allowed back to PFC but you go to the bottom of the list, Alliances only get one district but if the time zone are greatly different two is acceptable but alliances on PFC can't pass district off between thats just not fair to other corps , one more thing i should add is no eve support unless agreed upon And the top corps, in many cases, are compilations of all of the top players in the game. We have people ranging from players that one on one can easily match any other player out there, to newbies just starting out. That have to apparently be able to compete with players who have been playing this game as a team for over a year already, and were probably playing as a team in other games before it, in many cases. Also, while a lot of players in the top corps cap their SP every week, and can be found playing every single day, I know in the case of my alliance, many of our members have families and are only available for small periods of time or a few days a week. Your posts make it clear you really know nothing of what the corps participating in PFC face, and how we differ from the landholders of the majority of Molden Heath. As stated above, you get, really at most, 14 matches on a PFC district a month. So let me ask you this, Mr. Machine Guns: Do you believe, that 16 newbies can beat a Nyain San team with 14 matches of practice?
Theres a PFC rule that you have to attack Nyain San after you leave? Why do you have to attack us there are other corps to attack |
Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San Renegade Alliance
394
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:52:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:
But the top corps never had a thing like PFC they just took there losses in PC and learned from them they didn't have an thing like PFC back in the day, so all I'm saying is i think this council is a bad idea i feel like its just a way for corps to stay on PFC longer than they should be allowed to stay, like i said 1 to 2 months max on it then you need to go out in MH and try and get a district outside of PFC, you can be allowed back to PFC but you go to the bottom of the list, Alliances only get one district but if the time zone are greatly different two is acceptable but alliances on PFC can't pass district off between thats just not fair to other corps , one more thing i should add is no eve support unless agreed upon
First off, the council is more the capable of setting their own rules and it's about time that they were to set the rules for themselves again. Notice the again part, because PFC was originally founded by the Imperfects and SyNergy as the CRONOS war came to an end. Honestly, we saw no point in wiping CRONOS completely from the map and we all understood that fresh blood in our organizations and PC corps as a whole needed a way to work their way into the system and to become PC ready. Training and friendly PC matches on PFC provided that. PFC originally consisted of corporations from all the major powers in the day and the threat of mutually assured destruction kept PFC in check. The rules were simple (no flipping and no using PFC as a staging ground) and were agreed to by the major powers which set the stage for what PFC has become today and serves as the foundation of the PFC council. This foundation of PFC members setting an agreeing to the rules is something I'm happy to see return. I would also like to thank Soraya for his continued work in providing the needed tools to ensure that the council will operate smoothly. I'm sure the larger powers in Molden Heath and smaller entities that feel as though they have something to prove will continue to threaten PFC and the community spirit of Dust that it represents. Negative-Feedback will continue to stand strong with interim PFC council and the contract that we have with PFC. Im just saying the problem with this council idea with the corps on PFC is that it will always be changing, a new council may set new rules that are different from old ones and just cause confusion |
Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San Renegade Alliance
394
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Posted - 2014.02.06 00:22:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:Im just saying the problem with this council idea with the corps on PFC is that it will always be changing, a new council may set new rules that are different from old ones and just cause confusion Any such changes should be gradual, as it is extremely unlikely a large percentage of PFC will be replaced at the exact same time. Your own government's equivalents may be different, but we reelect like... most of our government every two to four years. All our laws, however, don't change every two to four years.
Real life government stuff has nothing to do with this is a video game so what you are saying makes no sense, you need to put a time limit on PFC sense its one planet 2 months at most before you should have to give up your district and try to take a district outside MH, you keep saying 14 practice PC aren't enough well how much is enough? BTW I'm from America once why are you bring real life government crap into a video game?? |
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