I had averaged out with a 35/0 score during each of my previous 5 games. GOML faglords

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#NERF TANKS

When a tanker gos 30-0, its OP and needs to be nerfed. When an infantry player gos 30-0 (i.e. AR assault), its perfectly balanced. Why does this phenomena happen? Also, wasent attacking the AR assault, but its the most common fit for it.

Yeah i read that post, i think the guy that went 97-0 in his tank probably could not have done that with an assault fit.

its a double standard and needs to be dealt with by the community..

the infantry believe they are entitled to everything, and they don't think anyone else should be as good as them.

self entitled pricks

its a double standard and needs to be dealt with by the community..

the infantry believe they are entitled to everything, and they don't think anyone else should be as good as them.

self entitled pricks

Yeah i read that post, i think the guy that went 97-0 in his tank probably could not have done that with an assault fit.

id like to look at the situation more optimistically and just call it a double standard as said above, but i kinda agree. lol. there is abit of truth to this statement. Sucks ppl want their class to be the best and not try to balance the game

Its a FPS, Infantry is the blood that courses through this type of game.

You want to use vehicles? play EVE.

Ah no,but you people want to use VEHICLES to stomp on INFANTRY....Pfft... talk about EZ mode pricks....

Yup, LIKE TANKERS.

Its a FPS, Infantry is the blood that courses through this type of game.

You want to use vehicles? play EVE.

Ah no,but you people want to use VEHICLES to stomp on INFANTRY....Pfft... talk about EZ mode pricks....

nobody has gone that high since the end of chromosome, the closest iv gotten was 49/0, in chromosome I could get higher.

"like tankers"
so what your saying is, both tankers and infainty want their class to be best and none of it balanced?

Its a FPS, Infantry is the blood that courses through this type of game.

You want to use vehicles? play EVE.

Ah no,but you people want to use VEHICLES to stomp on INFANTRY....Pfft... talk about EZ mode pricks....

Tanks are no more OP than dropships. Its a shame that tankers get all the fan mail

Exactly.

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I agree tanks are UP on the FIREPOWER AREA,and pricing area is too expensive.

But please,tanks already take a LOT of damage,for a FPS to have a specialized AV soldier with Proto gear to have to shoot a tank 6+times with a proto swarm to destroy it is madness....Specially taking in consideration the low amount of players allowed in the game.Having to sacrifice 2-3 potential AI soldiers to try and drop a tank is already enough of a handicap.Now you add the fact that the enemy might drop up to 4 tanks ,and you ahve yourself a game breaker.

@soldiersaint, you are not even worth my time maggot. ;)

soo anyone gona comment back to my OP, that is okay for skilled infaintry players to go 30+ kills and 0 but its OP for vehicals to do so?

Yeah he was a bit vague on how or when he achieved 97-0, i have never seen a score like that b4.

@soldiersaint, you are not even worth my time maggot. ;)

soo anyone gona comment back to my OP, that is okay for skilled infaintry players to go 30+ kills and 0 but its OP for vehicals to do so?

Yeah i read that post, i think the guy that went 97-0 in his tank probably could not have done that with an assault fit.

Half of that match I was in a Scout suit and got like 54/0 soo.......

''yikes. Every tanker who plays the tank will say the opposite with 100% of shield tankers crying after they read your statement :( but i respect your opinion''

Exactly , people will ALWAYS whine if they get killed. Thats what they want? to be able to take 10+ Proto AV shots to the face and survive? thats ALSO not balance.

I've faced tankers that have taken 5+ Proto swarms to the face and i even have their NAMES....
Knight Solaire with his missle tank IN a city being bombared by AV nades PLUS my proto swarm, survived. Kills 24/ deaths 1
Frost Byte, Took 6 Proto swarms to the face in his tank,survived and hid while i was ressuplying,. kills19 / deaths 0
BUGGBUNNY LOONEY took 9 Packed AV nades and survived,went to hide behind the red line to regen (thing im AGAINST with vehicles) or recall the tank. 15 kills / 0 deaths manus peak (here were 2 other tanks too...)
NINJAROBOTCHICKEN... (i dont know he had a really long name) took 6 Proto Forge guns to the face from 2 Proto AV specialists and survived... 38 kills / 0 deaths in Line Harvest

I could go on, with names, and numbers, forever (I ACTUALLY WRITE THEM DOWN,with time and date).Im not talking out of my a** here bro.

It really annoys me see people saying how bad tanks are, and then go 25+ kills and zero deaths games for 5-10 games in a row....

''soo anyone gona comment back to my OP, that is okay for skilled infaintry players to go 30+ kills and 0 but its OP for vehicals to do so?''

ITs not OP,but its unfait for a tank to go 30 kills with little risk of dying, while going 30 kills even with an AR and not dying at least three times is almost impossible.

''yikes. Every tanker who plays the tank will say the opposite with 100% of shield tankers crying after they read your statement :( but i respect your opinion''

Exactly , people will ALWAYS whine if they get killed. Thats what they want? to be able to take 10+ Proto AV shots to the face and survive? thats ALSO not balance.

I've faced tankers that have taken 5+ Proto swarms to the face and i even have their NAMES....
Knight Solaire with his missle tank IN a city being bombared by AV nades PLUS my proto swarm, survived. Kills 24/ deaths 1
Frost Byte, Took 6 Proto swarms to the face in his tank,survived and hid while i was ressuplying,. kills19 / deaths 0
BUGGBUNNY LOONEY took 9 Packed AV nades and survived,went to hide behind the red line to regen (thing im AGAINST with vehicles) or recall the tank. 15 kills / 0 deaths manus peak (here were 2 other tanks too...)
NINJAROBOTCHICKEN... (i dont know he had a really long name) took 6 Proto Forge guns to the face from 2 Proto AV specialists and survived... 38 kills / 0 deaths in Line Harvest

I could go on, with names, and numbers, forever (I ACTUALLY WRITE THEM DOWN,with time and date).Im not talking out of my a** here bro.

It really annoys me see people saying how bad tanks are, and then go 25+ kills and zero deaths games for 5-10 games in a row....

''soo anyone gona comment back to my OP, that is okay for skilled infaintry players to go 30+ kills and 0 but its OP for vehicals to do so?''

ITs not OP,but its unfait for a tank to go 30 kills with little risk of dying, while going 30 kills even with an AR and not dying at least three times is almost impossible.

Too many games are balanced on the concept of free vehicles.This is what make trying to make Dust 514 vehicles feel just 'right' extraordinarily difficult because they don't rain from the sky for free. Someone paid for those tanks, as does everything that tank can kill.

This is why making the tank too good is considerably a bad thing because it can negate everyone's else's investments in both skill points in isk quickly to the point that the infantry interplay is non existent. Which is the current industry standard, From the call of duty expansion pack multiplayer games to halo, to unreal, to even more recently Plane Side 2 included. Earlier builds such as E3 had tanks that was designed stats wise on this model almost and they where largely obscurely very dangerous racking up nearly up to 40-70 kills by its lonesome. Matches quickly digested down to who can deploy the most tanks first and fastest. Once on field and one side did not have sufficient amount of HAVs on the field the match was by and large over. People couldn't spawn, people could call in other vehicles and of course the team insufficient of tanks couldn't call orbitals either to which might I add the old age tanks laughed off.

During this age and time CCP Blam asserted that he believed that HAVs did not require infantry support, this drew quite a bit of ire from the infantry community at the time.

As Dust 514 continued to develop the HAV nerfs began to roll in one after the other to the point its now the reverse being in play. Tanks are not worth the sufficient amount of isk and sp investments to be effective on the field. While the HAVs on the edge its vehicles like the standard dropship that have seem to fallen off the table in terms of isk per power projection. However not all is lost, its possible to dial it back a bit make the vehicles more worth their costs.

As it stands now Team Kong, consisting of the likes of CCP Wolfman and CCP Remnant are in charge of everything you touch on the battlefield from your controllers to each gun and suit, to have them in charge of vehicles as well is an extraordinarily smart move as it gets the entire picture singing the same song. 1.5 will feature the first set of massive revisions with subsequent patches adding back in all that was nuked out of existence in 1.5.

''yikes. Every tanker who plays the tank will say the opposite with 100% of shield tankers crying after they read your statement :( but i respect your opinion''

Exactly , people will ALWAYS whine if they get killed. Thats what they want? to be able to take 10+ Proto AV shots to the face and survive? thats ALSO not balance.

I've faced tankers that have taken 5+ Proto swarms to the face and i even have their NAMES....
Knight Solaire with his missle tank IN a city being bombared by AV nades PLUS my proto swarm, survived. Kills 24/ deaths 1
Frost Byte, Took 6 Proto swarms to the face in his tank,survived and hid while i was ressuplying,. kills19 / deaths 0
BUGGBUNNY LOONEY took 9 Packed AV nades and survived,went to hide behind the red line to regen (thing im AGAINST with vehicles) or recall the tank. 15 kills / 0 deaths manus peak (here were 2 other tanks too...)
NINJAROBOTCHICKEN... (i dont know he had a really long name) took 6 Proto Forge guns to the face from 2 Proto AV specialists and survived... 38 kills / 0 deaths in Line Harvest

I could go on, with names, and numbers, forever (I ACTUALLY WRITE THEM DOWN,with time and date).Im not talking out of my a** here bro.

It really annoys me see people saying how bad tanks are, and then go 25+ kills and zero deaths games for 5-10 games in a row....

''soo anyone gona comment back to my OP, that is okay for skilled infaintry players to go 30+ kills and 0 but its OP for vehicals to do so?''

ITs not OP,but its unfait for a tank to go 30 kills with little risk of dying, while going 30 kills even with an AR and not dying at least three times is almost impossible.

PPl say they are bad because they have invested around 11mill SP into an armor tank to survive that sort of punnishment but can be so easily destroyed by any mode of cooperation. Those are quality tankers you were attempting to solo, and if they took that much effort to kill they must have been full HP with their active mods ready to go. So yeah the very best tanks can get away from a single proto AV user, but they quickly die to 2 or more AV users. Wich is fair, i think. But it doesent change the fact that tanks are bad cuz their so easy to kill. A shield tank will get soloed in under 8 seconds by a proto forge as well, never mind any 2 ppl with forges.

But to keep my thread revilant about how this is about infaintry being alowed to do well and tanks are not allowed to do well or their OP, if an infaintry soldier wins a 2v1 or a 3v1 its fair, perfectly balanced and that guy is skilled. But if a skilled tanker kills 2 or 3 people armed with assualt rifiles then its OP. I... dont understand. Very biased

In my (limited) experience, most of the infantry guys that go 30-0 were snipers, 1.4 shut them down a bit with objective cover. Assault players generally lose a clone or 3

No problem with tanks going 35-0 hell I say reduce the price 50% on tanks and there turrets. Tanks are large gun platforms that have the ability to chew through us infantry and one good tanker with a lot of sp invested should be a game changer. They can be killed by av, not easily but 2-3 speced avers can pop it. Same way a infantry can go 35-0 or 35-3 a tank has the ability but the price gives no real reward for going balls deep and making a difference and not sitting on a hill. Untill tanks are proto upped again a reduced price is more than fair.

A proto swarms scrub

No problem with tanks going 35-0 hell I say reduce the price 50% on tanks and there turrets. Tanks are large gun platforms that have the ability to chew through us infantry and one good tanker with a lot of sp invested should be a game changer. They can be killed by av, not easily but 2-3 speced avers can pop it. Same way a infantry can go 35-0 or 35-3 a tank has the ability but the price gives no real reward for going balls deep and making a difference and not sitting on a hill. Untill tanks are proto upped again a reduced price is more than fair.

A proto swarms scrub

Anyone who says tanks do not need infantry support is a fool, I am so glad you took tanks out of the hands of Blam after he said that. Even the M1 abrams needs infantry support, the tank is designed to draw fire (by looking intimidating) but they either run in large colums or with a gaggle of infantry with them. Never solo.

PPl say they are bad because they have invested around 11mill SP into an armor tank to survive that sort of punnishment but can be so easily destroyed by any mode of cooperation. ==> Coop can be defeated with Co op, dont liek loosing tanks? get 2 team members in an LAV with good A.infantry weaponry to circle the tank making swarms harder to lock on on he tank and to take down AV enemy infantry. Coop + tanks = Secure win.
Example,I was using a MLT tank but i had 2 buddies from my corp to actually take care of AV infantry for me, And io went 33-0 with a MLT tank,NOTHING added LOL. PLUS,coop is supposed to overcome ANYTHING, even a 11sp 2million ISK tank...


Those are quality tankers you were attempting to solo, and if they took that much effort to kill they must have been full HP with their active mods ready to go. So yeah the very best tanks can get away from a single proto AV user, but they quickly die to 2 or more AV users. Wich is fair, i think. But it doesent change the fact that tanks are bad cuz their so easy to kill. A shield tank will get soloed in under 8 seconds by a proto forge as well, never mind any 2 ppl with forges.
==Again, you are talking about CO - Op killing tanks easily, now imagine Coop With tanks. The problem is tankers want to get in a game,get kills solo without any form of cooperation.Even IRL,tanks need support.


But to keep my thread revilant about how this is about infaintry being alowed to do well and tanks are not allowed to do well or their OP, if an infaintry soldier wins a 2v1 or a 3v1 its fair, perfectly balanced and that guy is skilled. But if a skilled tanker kills 2 or 3 people armed with assualt rifiles then its OP. I... dont understand. Very biased
Maybe.But that player that took on 2-3 enemy reds did not pack 6000 EHP plus active/passive resistance modules.....

Agree. i wasent there to see how tanks wrecked face by themselfs but im glad they dont do that anymore

...As it stands now Team Kong, consisting of the likes of CCP Wolfman and CCP Remnant are in charge of everything you touch on the battlefield from your controllers to each gun and suit, to have them in charge of vehicles as well is an extraordinarily smart move as it gets the entire picture singing the same song. 1.5 will feature the first set of massive revisions with subsequent patches adding back in all that was nuked out of existence in 1.5.

''yikes. Every tanker who plays the tank will say the opposite with 100% of shield tankers crying after they read your statement :( but i respect your opinion''

Exactly , people will ALWAYS whine if they get killed. Thats what they want? to be able to take 10+ Proto AV shots to the face and survive? thats ALSO not balance.

I've faced tankers that have taken 5+ Proto swarms to the face and i even have their NAMES....
Knight Solaire with his missle tank IN a city being bombared by AV nades PLUS my proto swarm, survived. Kills 24/ deaths 1
Frost Byte, Took 6 Proto swarms to the face in his tank,survived and hid while i was ressuplying,. kills19 / deaths 0
BUGGBUNNY LOONEY took 9 Packed AV nades and survived,went to hide behind the red line to regen (thing im AGAINST with vehicles) or recall the tank. 15 kills / 0 deaths manus peak (here were 2 other tanks too...)
NINJAROBOTCHICKEN... (i dont know he had a really long name) took 6 Proto Forge guns to the face from 2 Proto AV specialists and survived... 38 kills / 0 deaths in Line Harvest

I could go on, with names, and numbers, forever (I ACTUALLY WRITE THEM DOWN,with time and date).Im not talking out of my a** here bro.

It really annoys me see people saying how bad tanks are, and then go 25+ kills and zero deaths games for 5-10 games in a row....

''soo anyone gona comment back to my OP, that is okay for skilled infaintry players to go 30+ kills and 0 but its OP for vehicals to do so?''

ITs not OP,but its unfait for a tank to go 30 kills with little risk of dying, while going 30 kills even with an AR and not dying at least three times is almost impossible.

That's perfectly fine by me, Wolf Saber. I've got all my SP tied up in HAV's right now because my ultimate goal, as I'm constantly ranting about, is to make a defensive orientated tank that eats damage for breakfast. That's seriously all I want. In MMO's, I play tanking characters: Warriors, Paladins, Death Knights, Sith Juggernauts, Powertech bounty hunters, you name it. For dust I want to build the ultimate expression of my obsession with maximum defense: A tanking tank!

It's going to be ******* glorious! My HAV's already work halfway towards that goal: They attract enemy attention like a boss, the trick is surviving that attention. When 1.5 drops, I have no doubt at all that the mobile fortress of my dreams will finally be realized. Waste your rockets trying to kill me, spunk-munchers, while my teammates shoot you in the face! AHAHAHAHA!

i dont often see proto AV users speaking up for tanks. Its refreshing

1: I've seen higher with assaults.

2: If you dye in a HAV, your ****** for the next couple games.

''I know it's frustrating to see a tanker go 25+ kills per match for 5-10 matches (suspect hyperbole) but thats what it takes for tankers to make a profit, dead serious a good fit runs a mill + a contract pays out 250 for topping the board these days, that's 5 matches to break even. if you want to see tankers get blowed up every match then petition CCP to scale the pay of vehicle operators so they can afford to lose one every match.''

Nope, i've already posted this before: Tanks and their specific modules/weapons etc, need a 1/3 price reduction to match their preformance.

Also, i top 350k-400isk per game so i dont really know how much redline sniping you guys are doing only earning 250k isk per match....

Agree. i wasent there to see how tanks wrecked face by themselfs but im glad they dont do that anymore

yeah... checkmate this guy just proved your earlier statements right. lol. im waiting for someone to post the opposite, saying tanks should be soloed in all circumstances. Those are both promblems.... ppl are so bad at balance its giving me canscer

My best swarm suit fully invested to do one thing and pop that git who shot me with a particle cannon costs me 170 thousand isk with damage mods out the arse. That tank may cost 2 million or more. I see no fairness in that. His risk is much more than mine and this game is anout making enough money to run fun fits. I spend 1 to 2 games in cheap gear to recover my money. You spend maybe 10 or more. Ive got no issue with you tankers or tanks and ive been proto aving since god mode chromosome tanks where in. NOW they where a real game to hunt.

I just went 36/0, and killed 4 LAV's, 2 HAV's, a dropships, and 9 of an assortment of installations, and only got 234k ISK. Come again?

I just went 36/0, and killed 4 LAV's, 2 HAV's, a dropships, and 9 of an assortment of installations, and only got 234k ISK. Come again?

I just went 36/0, and killed 4 LAV's, 2 HAV's, a dropships, and 9 of an assortment of installations, and only got 234k ISK. Come again?

you have not idea, even post e3 build (I joined last august) man you'd go into a match and on the other team there'd be like 3 STB-(namehere) guys and you'd know that you were gonna lose, at the time I was in Zion TCD though it was before we had official corps just persistent chat channels. but STB just spammed missile gunnlogis and sagarises and I hated them for it.

yeahh unfortionetly balancing by price tags is sketchy. Yeah the stuff should be balanced properly cuz it does effect the amount of tankers but at the same time the price has nothing to do with how effective it is on the battlefeild... so its hard to pass that out on the balance debate. But its differently there and i agree with you :)

When a tanker gos 30-0, its OP and needs to be nerfed. When an infantry player gos 30-0 (i.e. AR assault), its perfectly balanced. Why does this phenomena happen? Also, wasent attacking the AR assault, but its the most common fit for it.

Godin, Checkmate, I'm getting the feeling you guys don't play a lot of MMO's from your posts, so let me explain the tanking philosophy that I use.

A tank in an MMO is a defensive character that protects his teammates by having high health, and high defense. He gets the attention of the enemy and survives long enough for his team to kill it. He does not have killing power, all his equipment goes towards survival and health. He is first and foremost a bait character.

So yeah, if my tank in 1.5 is a bullet sponge, it's that way by my design. You are guaranteed not to see me top the kill boards, my job will be to make sure that my teammates do. And that is perfectly fair, and utterly balanced. It's only broken if an offensive tank has my level of defense in addition to extreme killing power, and if you'd just read the front page of Wolfman's 1.5 thread, you'll see that's not going to be happening. HAV' pilots are going to have to choose what they want their vehicles to be in the coming build.

yeah he had less. If anything, that should be even more problematic than a tank doing it, the infaintry player obviously did not need 6k HP or performance boosting mods to kill 3 ppl but thats okay. Its... just biased. I can kill them because i have an AR, that is okay. You cannot kill them because you are a tank. That is not okay. Ethire way its 3 ppl soloed? ethire way 30/0 without dieing? i dont understand why its a big deal for a tanker to do it

Godin, Checkmate, I'm getting the feeling you guys don't play a lot of MMO's from your posts, so let me explain the tanking philosophy that I use.

A tank in an MMO is a defensive character that protects his teammates by having high health, and high defense. He gets the attention of the enemy and survives long enough for his team to kill it. He does not have killing power, all his equipment goes towards survival and health. He is first and foremost a support character.

So yeah, if my tank in 1.5 is a bullet sponge, it's that way by my design. You are guaranteed not to see me top the kill boards, my job will be to make sure that my teammates do. And that is perfectly fair, and utterly balanced. It's only broken if an offensive tank has my level of defense in addition to extreme killing power, and if you'd just read the front page of Wolfman's 1.5 thread, you'll see that's not going to be happening. HAV' pilots are going to have to choose what they want their vehicles to be in the coming build.

Godin, Checkmate, I'm getting the feeling you guys don't play a lot of MMO's from your posts, so let me explain the tanking philosophy that I use.

A tank in an MMO is a defensive character that protects his teammates by having high health, and high defense. He gets the attention of the enemy and survives long enough for his team to kill it. He does not have killing power, all his equipment goes towards survival and health. He is first and foremost a support character.

So yeah, if my tank in 1.5 is a bullet sponge, it's that way by my design. You are guaranteed not to see me top the kill boards, my job will be to make sure that my teammates do. And that is perfectly fair, and utterly balanced. It's only broken if an offensive tank has my level of defense in addition to extreme killing power, and if you'd just read the front page of Wolfman's 1.5 thread, you'll see that's not going to be happening. HAV' pilots are going to have to choose what they want their vehicles to be in the coming build.

Godin, Checkmate, I'm getting the feeling you guys don't play a lot of MMO's from your posts, so let me explain the tanking philosophy that I use.

A tank in an MMO is a defensive character that protects his teammates by having high health, and high defense. He gets the attention of the enemy and survives long enough for his team to kill it. He does not have killing power, all his equipment goes towards survival and health. He is first and foremost a support character.

So yeah, if my tank in 1.5 is a bullet sponge, it's that way by my design. You are guaranteed not to see me top the kill boards, my job will be to make sure that my teammates do. And that is perfectly fair, and utterly balanced. It's only broken if an offensive tank has my level of defense in addition to extreme killing power, and if you'd just read the front page of Wolfman's 1.5 thread, you'll see that's not going to be happening. HAV' pilots are going to have to choose what they want their vehicles to be in the coming build.

fixed it for you, imo, support character are what the logi guys here are, they give health and ammunition to friendlies, that's a support character.

the only thing im glad about this is that blam is not around to **** pilots over anymore.

You also have to remember we're primarily shooter first ,rpg second and shooter preferred mechanics over rpg ones.

Waiwait,what? its not a big deal for a tanker to do it.
If i can go 36-8 in a game, tanker should be able to go 25+ kills and not die once. Ok.

but im agains a tanker going the same kills as me,without dying, then we have imbalance....
Because im dying in order to get my kills,im taking objectives and being fronline soldier to help my team,being run over LAvs , shot by rail and missile tanks alike,, and i do die, and my ADV suits cost 85K each...
So if you die 1 time every 2 matches, it hurts ? but if i die 8 times in 2 matches then im equally f***,with around 1300000isk loss...So yeah.

I dont think a tank going 25-30 kills - 0 deaths in a match is OP.
I just think they are NOT UP EITHER.

you have not idea, even post e3 build (I joined last august) man you'd go into a match and on the other team there'd be like 3 STB-(namehere) guys and you'd know that you were gonna lose, at the time I was in Zion TCD though it was before we had official corps just persistent chat channels. but STB just spammed missile gunnlogis and sagarises and I hated them for it.

Ok i understand.

In theory , it sounds balanced.But take in consideration 2 things:

1-You can always get road killsPlus ,even witha small turret you can get kills.
2-In Dust, EHP = kills.

Its like saying, ok bro,tanking i like it.
I want a 2000 EHP Medium Dropsuit, BUT DONT WORRY,it can only carry Side arms. So im sacrificing firepower for HP.

How about that huh? :3
Seems balanced?

I mean +1 for the explaination,but no....

Checkmate... you just ignored everything in that qoute box. I said both of them do not die. Ppl freak out that tanks got a bunch of kills and dident die, they say its not okay but it is okay when infaintry do just as well or better, wich does happen, somehow

Yeah, but being a defensive oriented tank doesn't = unkillable. It just means you're trading killing power for survivability. Staying alive is still going to be on the pilot. And I think it's safe to say that you aren't going to be seeing a lot of small turrets on HAV's after 1.5 drops. Screw that noise. Anyone wanting to ride around in a tank can build their own. Parasites.

Yeah, but being a defensive oriented tank doesn't = unkillable. It just means you're trading killing power for survivability. Staying alive is still going to be on the pilot. And I think it's safe to say that you aren't going to be seeing a lot of small turrets on HAV's after 1.5 drops. Screw that noise. Anyone wanting to ride around in a tank can build their own. Parasites.

tanks rarely go that high, especially with AV on the field.

You want to truly **** over a tanker, then make it where the driver is only a driver, he still needs a gunner for even his main gun. That way a tank is always at least 2 people from your team. The driver also being the gunner just makes it where people spec into it so they can be less agile bullet sponges that either wreak havoc cause they have to much armor and require special equipment just to take down (mind you if you are using that equipment you are just about **** against infantry) or weak little peices of glass that cry all day because they don't have the armor that they think they should have.

If tanks had a 2 man minimum they could tip further twords the death machine all the dedicated tankers want them to be, they would require teamwork and 2 people to field properly.

No your right the tankers who are still playing are litterally the veterans, the current tankers have 15 millish SP into their tanks and been using them for months, the tanks now are the best. Anyone else who are not the very best dont survive any games. Not saying its wrong for unskilled pilots to loose to proto av, but its true.
going 30+ without dieing is hard to do, i addmit but very many of us have done these countless times. I am one, the zitros when they played, regnuym (basically all the imperfects) alot of team players can do this, Syn, so on. Its just pub stomping, you get those games were you stomp the pub and dont die. Its dust. Happens quiet often, not usally a string of back to back games but its also not that rare

Well then im still a scrub-noob bro.Because even while playing vs noobs (i dont pub stomp),and even if i go 25-40 kills in a game, i still get killed at least 2-5 times. There is always Random grenades , grenade spam, a random sniper , a random roadkill, some remote explosives i didnt see,a RAilgun turret sniping me from across the map, a dropship that falls over me for no frekn reason at all, the:'' im better i can take on all 3 of them! '' thought and soon realize im in a room with 3-4 heavies with ADV HMG at CQ, LOL....etc...

Seems i still have much to learn.

And as you say, it might be only my luck,because most tankers i face , are badasses. AND I HAVE proto Swarms, ADV grenades and PROTO FG.....

fixed it for you.

no tanker would ever skill into tanks just to drive them, that takes everything out of wanting to skill into them

Thats what they said in PS1 as well but every tank was at least a 2 man crew, prowler had 3 man crew, the driver was the driver and nothing else. Still had huge tank groups, plenty of fun and more effective and more numerous av than we do in Dust. Tanks were more effective because they worked as a team and a group asset instead of being a crying little ***** like you seem to be.

Thats what they said in PS1 as well but every tank was at least a 2 man crew, prowler had 3 man crew, the driver was the driver and nothing else. Still had huge tank groups, plenty of fun and more effective and more numerous av than we do in Dust. Tanks were more effective because they worked as a team and a group asset instead of being a crying little ***** like you seem to be.

Its a FPS, Infantry is the blood that courses through this type of game.

You want to use vehicles? play EVE.

Ah no,but you people want to use VEHICLES to stomp on INFANTRY....Pfft... talk about EZ mode pricks....

I too saved up SP on a charicter got an advanced fit tank and killed everyone in a academy pub mach, and you all should base all your tank bias off that experiance... or not belive a word they say because i personaly never see a tank live trough an entire match.

man... this community cant do anything right. I ask "why arent tanks allowed to be seccessful but infaintry is?"
and everyone answers with other complants about tanks. sucks

man... this community cant do anything right. I ask "why arent tanks allowed to be seccessful but infaintry is?"
and everyone answers with other complants about tanks. sucks

Yup, LIKE TANKERS.

Exactly.

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I agree tanks are UP on the FIREPOWER AREA,and pricing area is too expensive.

But please,tanks already take a LOT of damage,for a FPS to have a specialized AV soldier with Proto gear to have to shoot a tank 6+times with a proto swarm to destroy it is madness....Specially taking in consideration the low amount of players allowed in the game.Having to sacrifice 2-3 potential AI soldiers to try and drop a tank is already enough of a handicap.Now you add the fact that the enemy might drop up to 4 tanks ,and you ahve yourself a game breaker.

@soldiersaint, you are not even worth my time maggot. ;)

PPl say they are bad because they have invested around 11mill SP into an armor tank to survive that sort of punnishment but can be so easily destroyed by any mode of cooperation. Those are quality tankers you were attempting to solo, and if they took that much effort to kill they must have been full HP with their active mods ready to go. So yeah the very best tanks can get away from a single proto AV user, but they quickly die to 2 or more AV users. Wich is fair, i think. But it doesent change the fact that tanks are bad cuz their so easy to kill. A shield tank will get soloed in under 8 seconds by a proto forge as well, never mind any 2 ppl with forges.

But to keep my thread revilant about how this is about infaintry being alowed to do well and tanks are not allowed to do well or their OP, if an infaintry soldier wins a 2v1 or a 3v1 its fair, perfectly balanced and that guy is skilled. But if a skilled tanker kills 2 or 3 people armed with assualt rifiles then its OP. I... dont understand. Very biased

''I know it's frustrating to see a tanker go 25+ kills per match for 5-10 matches (suspect hyperbole) but thats what it takes for tankers to make a profit, dead serious a good fit runs a mill + a contract pays out 250 for topping the board these days, that's 5 matches to break even. if you want to see tankers get blowed up every match then petition CCP to scale the pay of vehicle operators so they can afford to lose one every match.''

Nope, i've already posted this before: Tanks and their specific modules/weapons etc, need a 1/3 price reduction to match their preformance.

Also, i top 350k-400isk per game so i dont really know how much redline sniping you guys are doing only earning 250k isk per match....

So for you, it just isn't satisfactory to merely suppress us and drive us away, you want it to be so incredibly easy to destroy tanks that you don't need to reload your Haywires to do it. That just simply should not be the case.

Too many games are balanced on the concept of free vehicles.This is what make trying to make Dust 514 vehicles feel just 'right' extraordinarily difficult because they don't rain from the sky for free. Someone paid for those tanks, as does everything that tank can kill.

This is why making the tank too good is considerably a bad thing because it can negate everyone's else's investments in both skill points in isk quickly to the point that the infantry interplay is non existent. Which is the current industry standard, From the call of duty expansion pack multiplayer games to halo, to unreal, to even more recently Plane Side 2 included. Earlier builds such as E3 had tanks that was designed stats wise on this model almost and they where largely obscurely very dangerous racking up nearly up to 40-70 kills by its lonesome. Matches quickly digested down to who can deploy the most tanks first and fastest. Once on field and one side did not have sufficient amount of HAVs on the field the match was by and large over. People couldn't spawn, people could call in other vehicles and of course the team insufficient of tanks couldn't call orbitals either to which might I add the old age tanks laughed off.

During this age and time CCP Blam asserted that he believed that HAVs did not require infantry support, this drew quite a bit of ire from the infantry community at the time.

As Dust 514 continued to develop the HAV nerfs began to roll in one after the other to the point its now the reverse being in play. Tanks are not worth the sufficient amount of isk and sp investments to be effective on the field. While the HAVs on the edge its vehicles like the standard dropship that have seem to fallen off the table in terms of isk per power projection. However not all is lost, its possible to dial it back a bit make the vehicles more worth their costs.

As it stands now Team Kong, consisting of the likes of CCP Wolfman and CCP Remnant are in charge of everything you touch on the battlefield from your controllers to each gun and suit, to have them in charge of vehicles as well is an extraordinarily smart move as it gets the entire picture singing the same song. 1.5 will feature the first set of massive revisions with subsequent patches adding back in all that was nuked out of existence in 1.5.

Your answer is right there, the tankers want to be unstoppable killing machines cause well they wanna, and the infantry don't want to go back to chromosome days where it was all tanks and nothing else mattered. The attitude of both sides is what got tanks to their current position, both from the infatry side over whining and the tanker side not willing to make any concessions about how much of a mess they were creating on the battlefield. CCP put their foot down and said fine we are reworking it, heres some crappy tanks to play with in the mean time.

Relax, Every single module is going to go towards maximizing resistence and health. The tradeoff will be greatly lessened killing power. I'm literally going to be a moving barricade for my team. That's the playstyle I love. The ridiculous kill streaks as always will go to the AR users.

When a tanker gos 30-0, its OP and needs to be nerfed. When an infantry player gos 30-0 (i.e. AR assault), its perfectly balanced. Why does this phenomena happen? Also, wasent attacking the AR assault, but its the most common fit for it.

Waiwait,what? its not a big deal for a tanker to do it.
If i can go 36-8 in a game, tanker should be able to go 25+ kills and not die once. Ok.

but im agains a tanker going the same kills as me,without dying, then we have imbalance....
Because im dying in order to get my kills,im taking objectives and being fronline soldier to help my team,being run over LAvs , shot by rail and missile tanks alike,, and i do die, and my ADV suits cost 85K each...
So if you die 1 time every 2 matches, it hurts ? but if i die 8 times in 2 matches then im equally f***,with around 1300000isk loss...So yeah.

I dont think a tank going 25-30 kills - 0 deaths in a match is OP.
I just think they are NOT UP EITHER.

And I think it's safe to say that you aren't going to be seeing a lot of small turrets on HAV's after 1.5 drops. Screw that noise. Anyone wanting to ride around in a tank can build their own. Parasites.

You want to truly balance a tank, then make it where the driver is only a driver, he still needs a gunner for even his main gun.

Recently no, but back in chromosome you couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting at least 2 proto tanks. They were to the point where those who didn't spec into tanks would just sit in the tanks cause it was the only way to get WP at all. That was not tanker skill btw it was just pure imbalance leaning to the tankers.

Your answer is right there, the tankers want to be unstoppable killing machines cause well they wanna, and the infantry don't want to go back to chromosome days where it was all tanks and nothing else mattered. The attitude of both sides is what got tanks to their current position, both from the infatry side over whining and the tanker side not willing to make any concessions about how much of a mess they were creating on the battlefield. CCP put their foot down and said fine we are reworking it, heres some crappy tanks to play with in the mean time.

How was it imbalanced when the SP you earned went much further? Whose fault is it nobody in those games had PRO AV? Can you tell me why you think it was imbalanced? Nobody on the other team could field tanks? You're talking about the days when every tank was dead in 2 shots.

[b]OMG I GOT SUPRESSED ! TT..TT QQ MORE.
Im getting Killed here and you re whining because tankers get ''supressed''.

If the infantry player going 30-0 required a special type of bullet and special type of weapon to kill him which was only useful against this one player, then I might agree with you.

Your idea of av is so twisted its sickening.
A tank is the game changer, a many thousand hp gun platform design to take punishment and kill us infantry caught out in the open. == a good TANKER is a game changer. the AV infantry is made to counter this game changer.Thats what they do. I havnt played a FPS still where a vehicle can take more than 3 AV rounds.This is the first one. TAking 5 PROTO AV ,IS taking punishment.


It should NOT take one merc even with proto swarms or forge gun to end a tank costing more than 5 times your suit cost.
The cost is excessive, i agree. But why not? You are paying 5 times to have 10 times my HP and have more firepower. We are playing 12 vs 12 matches and you want 3-4 players of a team to squad up to take down ONE tank? So what,if the enemy pulls down 3 tanks ? then,we might as well sit in the MCC because even if we take those tanks out,there will be no one left to take and protect the objectives,not to mention the amount of times we will get killed by enemy infantry. If a single tanker can be a game changer in a 24 man game,so should a single AV be able to counter him,because his is a team based game.And if something does something solo,then the counter should be able to be something solo.

I want tactical ambushing of the bastard with 2 -6 mercs raining hell and great vengeance. Right now its too simple its barely a challenge 90% of the time.
35-0 with no decent av good on you. 35-0 with people specced av in this build I tip my hat to you

ok.

If the infantry player going 30-0 required a special type of bullet and special type of weapon to kill him which was only useful against this one player, then I might agree with you.

what does that have anything to do with a tank and an infaintry player getting the same score, but ppl saying the tank shouldent be able to do it but the infaintry soldier can?

When a tanker gos 30-0, its OP and needs to be nerfed. When an infantry player gos 30-0 (i.e. AR assault), its perfectly balanced. Why does this phenomena happen? Also, wasent attacking the AR assault, but its the most common fit for it.

Agree. i wasent there to see how tanks wrecked face by themselfs but im glad they dont do that anymore

Its a FPS, Infantry is the blood that courses through this type of game.

You want to use vehicles? play EVE.

Ah no,but you people want to use VEHICLES to stomp on INFANTRY....Pfft... talk about EZ mode pricks....

what does that have anything to do with a tank and an infaintry player getting the same score, but ppl saying the tank shouldent be able to do it but the infaintry soldier can?

Let me put it this way if a tanker goes 15 and 0 no problem and if an infantry goes 15 and 0 no problem since both are doable.

The problem is its easy to redline snipe to get 30 and 0 in a tank but its not as easy for most infantry to go 30 and 0.

Theres an imbalance there that is created by isk.

No, we're in our current predicament because infantry couldn't solo a Surya with 8000 armor. Or a Sagaris with 7000 shield. We're in our current predicament because nobody on an opposing team could bother themselves to take down a tank as a team, a unit. Infantry continues to push for tanks to be made weaker, and AV stronger, so the best of fits and pilots can be soloed with no more than ADV AV gear. That is what infantry is pushing towards.

Time and again we've adapted to the nerfs CCP has thrown as us, but every incremental nerf is just never enough for infantry, they always want us driving into the ground further. If, by a miracle 1.5 is the best thing CCP has done for tanks, then the amount of crying done now will pale in comparison to after 1.5 drops. If it's like firecrackers today, after 1.5 is deployed, it'll be like an asteroid shower.

NO!!

You are in your current predicament due to tankers seeing a bunch of randoms on the enemy team and then deciding that they posed such a "threat" that it needed not one, not two , not three but four yes FOUR TANKS!! to stomp on them for easy lol kills.

Well the tankers made the bed by lol pub stomping in ambush.

Bro it used to be only two predictable and permanent spawn points so all a Sagaris tanker had to do was park closeby and just glue down the R1 button to go 70+ game after game after game.

It was the days of ten proto AV infantry and one tank and it was infantry dies, dies, dies,dies....rage quit the game and hope for another match with no tanks.

Never was there for those days, i started in chrome. Tho in chrome there were set spawns i liked to park in front of and camp in ambush x) However, the proto forges could still solo me, but not as well as they do our standard tanks, i felt it was pretty balanced. stupid spawn system. BUT HERES ANOTHER EXAMPLE!! It wasent a promblem when infaintry spawn camped the **** out of those spawn traps. But its a promblem when tanks did it?

Look who it is, the guy who plays ambush 98% of the time and comes here to cry when a guy in his 3mil ISK Falchion kills you. Here's a hint, never deploy alone, and always have PRO AV readily available.

PROTIP: shield tanks are vulnerable to forge guns.

its a double standard and needs to be dealt with by the community..

the infantry believe they are entitled to everything, and they don't think anyone else should be as good as them.

self entitled pricks

what does that have anything to do with a tank and an infaintry player getting the same score, but ppl saying the tank shouldent be able to do it but the infaintry soldier can?

When a tanker gos 30-0, its OP and needs to be nerfed. When an infantry player gos 30-0 (i.e. AR assault), its perfectly balanced. Why does this phenomena happen? Also, wasent attacking the AR assault, but its the most common fit for it.

NO!!

You are in your current predicament due to tankers seeing a bunch of randoms on the enemy team and then deciding that they posed such a "threat" that it needed not one, not two , not three but four yes FOUR TANKS!! to stomp on them for easy lol kills.

Well the tankers made the bed by lol pub stomping in ambush.

When a tanker gos 30-0, its OP and needs to be nerfed. When an infantry player gos 30-0 (i.e. AR assault), its perfectly balanced. Why does this phenomena happen? Also, wasent attacking the AR assault, but its the most common fit for it.

Another round of QQ from tankers
Suck it up bitches

Have proto AV readily available? Ok, I'll make sure to pack my merc's backpack with all the necessary weapons just in case a tanker decides to drop his load.

Oh wait, we can't just recall and swap fittings anywhere on the map whenever we feel like it, we either have to die (only way in regular ambush) or find a supply depot (which oddly enough are rarely handy when you really need one). Oh and of course I could just spawn in with AV, and die repeatedly to infantry since I am not equipped to take them on. Yeah, that sounds reasonable.

IMO all infantry suits need to have two additional slots on their suits specifically designed for AV, with a separate CPU/PG for the AV weapons (this way players couldn't use the extra CPU/PG and go overboard with their fitting, the extra CPU/PG would only apply to AV in the extra slots). One extra light slot, for swarms, and one extra grenade slot for AV nades. I say light slot so that a heavy can't rock a HMG and forge... cause that would be an INSANE combo against infantry.

You heard Spkr folks, he says to have AV readily available, and the above suggestion is the only way to do that.

Have proto AV readily available? Ok, I'll make sure to pack my merc's backpack with all the necessary weapons just in case a tanker decides to drop his load.

I have PRO AV myself. Forge guns, and the pathetically easy Haywire swarms.

Oh wait, we can't just recall and swap fittings anywhere on the map whenever we feel like it, we either have to die (only way in regular ambush) or find a supply depot (which oddly enough are rarely handy when you really need one). Oh and of course I could just spawn in with AV, and die repeatedly to infantry since I am not equipped to take them on. Yeah, that sounds reasonable.

Whose fault is it for supply depot placement? Not mine. Not tankers. That's solely CCP's decision.

IMO all infantry suits need to have two additional slots on their suits specifically designed for AV, with a separate CPU/PG for the AV weapons (this way players couldn't use the extra CPU/PG and go overboard with their fitting, the extra CPU/PG would only apply to AV in the extra slots). One extra light slot, for swarms, and one extra grenade slot for AV nades. I say light slot so that a heavy can't rock a HMG and forge... cause that would be an INSANE combo against infantry.

Lol no. You have the Commando suit. It's not my fault you don't utilize it.

You heard Spkr folks, he says to have AV readily available, and the above suggestion is the only way to do that.

I face AV of all levels every single match. Those of us tankers that use the forums, the vast, overwhelming majority don't see you, because we're in skirmish. You know, good warm ups for PC battles? You know, one of 2 game modes that have a bearing on EVE? Ambush is team deathmatch. It has no bearing on EVE. If you don't want to fight tanks, you might as well go to Call of Duty. I'll drop a tank for you in a skirmish so you can see what it's like. I'll make it a blaster Gunnlogi with one active module, so it's not too hard for you. Then maybe you'll graduate to a blaster Madrugar, which has 5 active modules. Then I'll give you my funny speed fit, which has 7 active modules. Do you know what it's like to activate modules at the right time so you don't get destroyed?

For all those shouting the COD card. Use BF. they got the vehicle to infantry down right. or planet side. or halo. or unreal. or arma. but those HAV don't last long enough to draw a fart? no ****, cause THEY ARE FPS GAMES.

Dust is a ....mmo? MMORPGFPS? It a bloody LOBBY SHOOTER. Roaming open areas? talking to NPC? Wrong game. That game is called destiny.

resistance had a boat load of players. sure as hell no one is gonna call that game a mmo. MAG? riiiight. If by mmo you mean the MARKET being shared from eve, then yes mmo indeed.

CCP made a LOBBY FPS boys and girls. not a RTS.

Tankers on the other hand, require dedicated AV, which often puts the infantry player using it at a great disadvantage to the other 15 people in the match that aren't using tanks (but are in fact specifically hunting other infantry players).

Easy - deploy in a squad.

And unlike the infantry player who is vulnerable to everything, tanks are only vulnerable to AV but are useful against everything else in the game. Their only disadvantage is AV, but they have an advantage over all, including other vehicles (except for perhaps another tanker, in which case they are only matched).

There's still rendering problems every single match with AV. I've seen guys 10ft away from me launch invisible swarms around/over crates and boxes and they hit me invisibly. Yeah, I take the damage, but it's still an invisible swarm. You have an incredible advantage wielding AV with the rendering problems we still have.

Comparing a infantry player going 30-0 and a tanker going 30-0 is comparing apples to oranges. Think about it this way, what if you had to choose your tanks weapon fittings in two ways:

1) Is only useful against infantry, and you are completely vulnerable to other tanks and vehicles.
2) Is only useful against other vehicles, and you are completely vulnerable to infantry.

Commando suit - GEK and CBR 7 swarms. Problem solved

Duvolle with Packed Lai Dai. Problem solved

Its because of the percieved skill set diffrence.

At its core an Awsome Vehicle guy buys part of his awsomeness with his vehicle that makes him 90% resilient against anything on the map, coupled to at least having some tactical skill, this takes far less awareness & skill then Infantry that is vulnerable against 100% on the map.

Simple.

Infantry player going 30-0 is still an infantry player, and are vulnerable to everything in the game. Heck, a lucky grenade will take him out insantly. Even a militia AR can wipe him off the face of the planet in less than a second.

Tankers on the other hand, require dedicated AV, which often puts the infantry player using it at a great disadvantage to the other 15 people in the match that aren't using tanks (but are in fact specifically hunting other infantry players).

And unlike the infantry player who is vulnerable to everything, tanks are only vulnerable to AV but are useful against everything else in the game. Their only disadvantage is AV, but they have an advantage over all, including other vehicles (except for perhaps another tanker, in which case they are only matched).


Comparing a infantry player going 30-0 and a tanker going 30-0 is comparing apples to oranges. Think about it this way, what if you had to choose your tanks weapon fittings in two ways:

1) Is only useful against infantry, and you are completely vulnerable to other tanks and vehicles.
2) Is only useful against other vehicles, and you are completely vulnerable to infantry.

You want to truly balance a tank, then make it where the driver is only a driver, he still needs a gunner for even his main gun. That way a tank is always at least 2 people from your team. The driver also being the gunner just makes it where people spec into it so they can be less agile bullet sponges that either wreak havoc cause they have to much armor and require special equipment just to take down (mind you if you are using that equipment you are just about **** against infantry) or weak little peices of glass that cry all day because they don't have the armor that they think they should have.

If tanks had a 2 man minimum they could tip further twords the death machine all the dedicated tankers want them to be, they would require teamwork and 2 people to field properly.

This isnt an fps you ******. Its an mmofpsrpg. Its the planetside of eve. if you dont like it to bad. go play paintball.....oh wait that has tanks to . Also this game is about war. Tanks play an even bigger and more important role than infantry in war. So yea shove that up your tryhard rear.

**** no. That will be the death of HAVs. Period.

For all those shouting the COD card. Use BF. they got the vehicle to infantry down right. or planet side. or halo. or unreal. or arma. but those HAV don't last long enough to draw a fart? no ****, cause THEY ARE FPS GAMES.

Dust is a ....mmo? MMORPGFPS? It a bloody LOBBY SHOOTER. Roaming open areas? talking to NPC? Wrong game. That game is called destiny.

resistance had a boat load of players. sure as hell no one is gonna call that game a mmo. MAG? riiiight. If by mmo you mean the MARKET being shared from eve, then yes mmo indeed.

CCP made a LOBBY FPS boys and girls. not a RTS.

I face AV of all levels every single match. Those of us tankers that use the forums, the vast, overwhelming majority don't see you, because we're in skirmish. You know, good warm ups for PC battles? You know, one of 2 game modes that have a bearing on EVE? Ambush is team deathmatch. It has no bearing on EVE. If you don't want to fight tanks, you might as well go to Call of Duty. I'll drop a tank for you in a skirmish so you can see what it's like. I'll make it a blaster Gunnlogi with one active module, so it's not too hard for you. Then maybe you'll graduate to a blaster Madrugar, which has 5 active modules. Then I'll give you my funny speed fit, which has 7 active modules. Do you know what it's like to activate modules at the right time so you don't get destroyed?

Damn, i never knew pressing 5-7 buttons at the same time requires an ounce of skill...my guess is that you never played BattleTech back in the Pentium 90 days on Lan Matches (internets didnt excist yet).

Do a little too much and the Mech Overheated and shut down, you could overide this command if you had the skill & balls to pull it off while cycling weapon groups to fight efficiently at all times at all ranged, coupled with back thrusters to dodge incomming rail-fire and while your at it, place a Death From Above attack while comming down, locking the next mech and swapping weapons or activating systems.

You also had to take notice of damaged sectors or wrecked sectors because armor was gone there and your mech would take internal damage if it got hit there.

Tanks in Dust = Point, BLAST-EM..../drive away../activate module while driving away..or if your really daring, activate it before the shot hits ..OMG OMG so l33t....

in every other game, you don't put personal investment into vehicles, here you do, you put your own SP and ISK to deploying and using vehicles, they don't just randomly spawn at the same spot like they do in BF, we pilots personally call them down to be deployed, and when they are destroyed, we lose everything we invest in.

"so you think just because you spent your isk on it, that makes you better" in the real world (yes im bringing in the real world argument because you infantry are so fond of it when it suits your argument but you hate it when it counters you (fact)) those with money get ahead of those without money, in the real world those with money get better stuff than those that don't have money, in the real world money is everything.

"if you want the real world so badly, then make tanks the way they are in the real world" we don't ******* want this to be call of duty you ******* dumbasses, you seem to like the real world so much that we just give you evidence in the real world of stuff that counters you. and you don't like it? HTFU or STFU.

Dust isn't a pure FPS or pure infantry, Dust is part RPG in the fact that you personally skill your character into certain roles.

if this was meant to be pure infantry CCP WOULDNT HAVE PUT VEHICLES IN THE GAME

So what you are saying is
lets make it like "real life" where the fact I spend millions on a tank should mean im awsome
but we can't have "real life", where a single shoulder launched missle blows up your tank because . . ?

you seem to have ignored my 1st bolded statement (big surprise... ) where I explain that we have counters in the real world to whatever you want us to be crippled by in the real world.

WE DONT WANT THIS TO BE LIKE THE REAL WORLD....

we just bring up counters to every argument you make based in the real world, and you guys don't like it.

Damn, i never knew pressing 5-7 buttons at the same time requires an ounce of skill...my guess is that you never played BattleTech back in the Pentium 90 days on Lan Matches (internets didnt excist yet).

Do a little too much and the Mech Overheated and shut down, you could overide this command if you had the skill & balls to pull it off while cycling weapon groups to fight efficiently at all times at all ranged, coupled with back thrusters to dodge incomming rail-fire and while your at it, place a Death From Above attack while comming down, locking the next mech and swapping weapons or activating systems.

You also had to take notice of damaged sectors or wrecked sectors because armor was gone there and your mech would take internal damage if it got hit there.

Tanks in Dust = Point, BLAST-EM..../drive away../activate module while driving away..or if your really daring, activate it before the shot hits ..OMG OMG so l33t....

If you dont want it to be like the real world, dont use the real world in any of arguments
then don't bring up any real world **** in any of your arguments either, then we wont have to, we only respond to what you infantry say, its you infantry who keep bringing up the real world

just what exactly do expect tanks to be like?
neither side can ever agree on anything, its up to CCP to decide how HAVs should be used, if we don't like it, they lose the vehicle pilots and this game becomes another call of duty

How many people should it take, to take down a tank being driven by one guy?
iv explained this many times before, a minimum of 3 AVers should take down a tank that is 2 tiers above their AV level.

but if you require 3 people to kill one HAV, then the entire team needs to bring out AV to take down more than one tank

not true at all, if you already have 3 AVers on the battle field, those 3 AVers is all you need to take down those tanks... if you think what I quoted above, your just plain too stupid to work with someone else.

Its a FPS, Infantry is the blood that courses through this type of game.

You want to use vehicles? play EVE.

Ah no,but you people want to use VEHICLES to stomp on INFANTRY....Pfft... talk about EZ mode pricks....

So what happens when younget a tank at top av level?
Thats a political answer how many should it take down a tank the same tier as the av?

if it takes 3 standard AVers to take down a proto HAV (we don't have anything above standard)

then count and it will make sense:

1 proto AVer to take on a proto tank (the AV has to be extremely clever and intelligent to do this completely solo)
and so on.... basically the numbers increase the higher the tank level is compared to you and the number lowers if your closer to his level.

I thought thats what you meant. . . . . you can expect your nerf in the post, because ill tell you now 3std av isn't enough for a std hull with complex(proto) mods!!

I understand, I made my way of balancing quite accurate in the past, iv tried to remember it here as clearly as I can but oh well.

we have prototype modules here but no advanced or prototype hulls.

I was basing it on full basic fittings on tanks, full advanced fittings on tanks and full prototype fittings on tanks... if you have proto modules on your tank, you shouldn't go down easily

Well now your going round circles void, which is more important, the hull or the mods which should define you?
At the moment I dont think you really have std hulls, they are a base nothing more, its what you put on them that makes them work!

I understand sometimes being tanker can be annoying, but in my experience of tanking, there is this very gungho approach, I think wolfman will put a stop to this, make tanks have more defined roles, let them interact with infantry better.
Hell im starting to see that now in .4. I was on a domination and we had created a barricade from hacked enemy llavs so they used a tank like a battering ram. Then the infantry used it for cover. We saw it off with an av effort, but he got away and recalled, but he didn't bring it out again! Tanks are a force multiplier when used correctly!!

For my understanding, tanks still require only one person to operate properly (unlike like LAV that need 2). This makes them fairly expensive super weapon that allows one man to dominate the battlefield. Kinda like near invulnerability with ridiculous firepower for a cost.

So until they require a team to operate (at least 2) infantry should not need a team to take them down. Cost and SP required is irrelevant (Grind2Win, Pay2Win doesn't go well with fps games).


Besides having dedicated driver and dedicated shooter would make them heck of a lot more mobile and promote other fits that just shield/armor tanking ones.

What is the role of a tank then?

the HAV should be a heavily armored or shielded platform for a person to skill into and use. it should be adaptable and able to overcome any obstacle, the role of the HAV should be to punch through enemy lines and lead the infantry in for the victory, thus it should be able to take a lot of damage and give a lot of damage also.

right now, all they are good for is distance fighting.

For my understanding, tanks still require only one person to operate properly (unlike like LAV that need 2). This makes them fairly expensive super weapon that allows one man to dominate the battlefield. Kinda like near invulnerability with ridiculous firepower for a cost.

Apart from the overcome any obstacle bit I agree, however they should also be capable of defending a teams assets or strongholds, this were the difference between sheild and armour tanks will be apparant, an armour tanks engagement time will be defined by its lack of ammo, it can dish out damage only fof a while before it needs to leave and resupply, while sheild based tanks will be dependant on their active modules, they can only stick around so long before the modules turn off and the tank becomes weak!!

You clearly have NO IDEA what it's like. Are you saying shield tanks won't have ammo?

Apart from the overcome any obstacle bit I agree, however they should also be capable of defending a teams assets or strongholds, this were the difference between sheild and armour tanks will be apparant, an armour tanks engagement time will be defined by its lack of ammo, it can dish out damage only fof a while before it needs to leave and resupply, while sheild based tanks will be dependant on their active modules, they can only stick around so long before the modules turn off and the tank becomes weak!!

that's the problem coming in the 1.5 times, tanks will no longer be tanks...

once that happens, I wont be playing this game anymore, il save up my SP or have them respect my tank sp and wait for jet fighters to come in, those are the only vehicles I see in the future that will have any significance for a lone pilot that wont have to rely on anyone else.

Void have some faith im personally looking forward to tge changes as we will see who can still cut it . I like the hit run hide pattern of tanking I.e. rush round tge redline to the enimys redline and destroy everything between you and your own redline whilst ploughing through the field and I think the changes in 1.5 will just emphasise the current tanking schools I.e. armour will be the stand and deliver tank abd shields the gurilla attack vehicles there supposed to be . Im looking forward to the acctive dammage mods

Dude what do you expect, tanks aren't one man killing machines they need support they need other people, why should it be any different? 1 man makes a solider, many men make an army!!

Void have some faith im personally looking forward to tge changes as we will see who can still cut it . I like the hit run hide pattern of tanking I.e. rush round tge redline to the enimys redline and destroy everything between you and your own redline whilst ploughing through the field and I think the changes in 1.5 will just emphasise the current tanking schools I.e. armour will be the stand and deliver tank abd shields the gurilla attack vehicles there supposed to be . Im looking forward to the acctive dammage mods

Finally someone who gets it, armour tanking is all about being more of a longer lasting presence, you might have to sacrifice power in order to stick around longer, but you're ability to commit your fire for a sustained period gives many pros!!

Sheild tanks are all about punching a hole then allowing infantry to finish the job, while armour is more of close infantry support, prepare for teamwork tankers, teamwork will be the flavour of the game!!

Also to the guy brining in the real world example for who has the most money wins, you sir have just bought the worst and poorest argument ever in the history of warfare.

I cannot recall once, not once, where an effective weapon system that passed prototyping and into mass manufacture was ever designed to take out something costs more (in use) than what it typically kills.

Average soldier is about 15,000 USD to train and gear up and grind out, he can be easily killed by a 1$ bullet to the face.

Average fielded tank these days depending where you are can run you anywhere from 250,000 USD (old war) to 15 million a pop (the M1-A1 Abrams) and the RPG 25 has been known for the last decade to be able to defeat said tank probably costs around 500 to 5k usd give or take (this is just a rough estimate there is really established price tag but the system is just a tube and rocket it cannot get that expensive, now with guidance you're talking about 5-20x the price, such as a stinger) The older RPGs that able to make mincemeat out of old world tank's crew are as cheap as 50 USD a rocket.

When a tanker gos 30-0, its OP and needs to be nerfed. When an infantry player gos 30-0 (i.e. AR assault), its perfectly balanced. Why does this phenomena happen? Also, wasent attacking the AR assault, but its the most common fit for it.

if youv never skilled into tanks, you don't know how they work.

I know there are quite a few people saying I don't pilot... But I have never seen either of the two mentioned close to being true.

Shields HAVs seems to lend itself to hit and runs due to the nature of the shield recharge and innate fast speed. Armor HAVs is only fast once you get going but its more of a skirmisher and cannot sit around long waiting on infantry.

As for HAVs in general I have never used them to punch holes in enemy formations nor sitting there and getting nailed, most anti-infantry guys ignore me anyways so the bullet sponge theory doesn't hold true at all.

The most I ever use them to get infantry heads down and keep them from crossing the street or open areas and blowing up stuff that is near my size and yes I suck with blasters.