Its a FPS, Infantry is the blood that courses through this type of game.

You want to use vehicles? play EVE.

Ah no,but you people want to use VEHICLES to stomp on INFANTRY....Pfft... talk about EZ mode pricks....

what does that have anything to do with a tank and an infaintry player getting the same score, but ppl saying the tank shouldent be able to do it but the infaintry soldier can?

Let me put it this way if a tanker goes 15 and 0 no problem and if an infantry goes 15 and 0 no problem since both are doable.

The problem is its easy to redline snipe to get 30 and 0 in a tank but its not as easy for most infantry to go 30 and 0.

Theres an imbalance there that is created by isk.

No, we're in our current predicament because infantry couldn't solo a Surya with 8000 armor. Or a Sagaris with 7000 shield. We're in our current predicament because nobody on an opposing team could bother themselves to take down a tank as a team, a unit. Infantry continues to push for tanks to be made weaker, and AV stronger, so the best of fits and pilots can be soloed with no more than ADV AV gear. That is what infantry is pushing towards.

Time and again we've adapted to the nerfs CCP has thrown as us, but every incremental nerf is just never enough for infantry, they always want us driving into the ground further. If, by a miracle 1.5 is the best thing CCP has done for tanks, then the amount of crying done now will pale in comparison to after 1.5 drops. If it's like firecrackers today, after 1.5 is deployed, it'll be like an asteroid shower.

NO!!

You are in your current predicament due to tankers seeing a bunch of randoms on the enemy team and then deciding that they posed such a "threat" that it needed not one, not two , not three but four yes FOUR TANKS!! to stomp on them for easy lol kills.

Well the tankers made the bed by lol pub stomping in ambush.

Bro it used to be only two predictable and permanent spawn points so all a Sagaris tanker had to do was park closeby and just glue down the R1 button to go 70+ game after game after game.

It was the days of ten proto AV infantry and one tank and it was infantry dies, dies, dies,dies....rage quit the game and hope for another match with no tanks.

Never was there for those days, i started in chrome. Tho in chrome there were set spawns i liked to park in front of and camp in ambush x) However, the proto forges could still solo me, but not as well as they do our standard tanks, i felt it was pretty balanced. stupid spawn system. BUT HERES ANOTHER EXAMPLE!! It wasent a promblem when infaintry spawn camped the **** out of those spawn traps. But its a promblem when tanks did it?

Look who it is, the guy who plays ambush 98% of the time and comes here to cry when a guy in his 3mil ISK Falchion kills you. Here's a hint, never deploy alone, and always have PRO AV readily available.

PROTIP: shield tanks are vulnerable to forge guns.

its a double standard and needs to be dealt with by the community..

the infantry believe they are entitled to everything, and they don't think anyone else should be as good as them.

self entitled pricks

what does that have anything to do with a tank and an infaintry player getting the same score, but ppl saying the tank shouldent be able to do it but the infaintry soldier can?

When a tanker gos 30-0, its OP and needs to be nerfed. When an infantry player gos 30-0 (i.e. AR assault), its perfectly balanced. Why does this phenomena happen? Also, wasent attacking the AR assault, but its the most common fit for it.

NO!!

You are in your current predicament due to tankers seeing a bunch of randoms on the enemy team and then deciding that they posed such a "threat" that it needed not one, not two , not three but four yes FOUR TANKS!! to stomp on them for easy lol kills.

Well the tankers made the bed by lol pub stomping in ambush.

When a tanker gos 30-0, its OP and needs to be nerfed. When an infantry player gos 30-0 (i.e. AR assault), its perfectly balanced. Why does this phenomena happen? Also, wasent attacking the AR assault, but its the most common fit for it.

Another round of QQ from tankers
Suck it up bitches

Have proto AV readily available? Ok, I'll make sure to pack my merc's backpack with all the necessary weapons just in case a tanker decides to drop his load.

Oh wait, we can't just recall and swap fittings anywhere on the map whenever we feel like it, we either have to die (only way in regular ambush) or find a supply depot (which oddly enough are rarely handy when you really need one). Oh and of course I could just spawn in with AV, and die repeatedly to infantry since I am not equipped to take them on. Yeah, that sounds reasonable.

IMO all infantry suits need to have two additional slots on their suits specifically designed for AV, with a separate CPU/PG for the AV weapons (this way players couldn't use the extra CPU/PG and go overboard with their fitting, the extra CPU/PG would only apply to AV in the extra slots). One extra light slot, for swarms, and one extra grenade slot for AV nades. I say light slot so that a heavy can't rock a HMG and forge... cause that would be an INSANE combo against infantry.

You heard Spkr folks, he says to have AV readily available, and the above suggestion is the only way to do that.

Have proto AV readily available? Ok, I'll make sure to pack my merc's backpack with all the necessary weapons just in case a tanker decides to drop his load.

I have PRO AV myself. Forge guns, and the pathetically easy Haywire swarms.

Oh wait, we can't just recall and swap fittings anywhere on the map whenever we feel like it, we either have to die (only way in regular ambush) or find a supply depot (which oddly enough are rarely handy when you really need one). Oh and of course I could just spawn in with AV, and die repeatedly to infantry since I am not equipped to take them on. Yeah, that sounds reasonable.

Whose fault is it for supply depot placement? Not mine. Not tankers. That's solely CCP's decision.

IMO all infantry suits need to have two additional slots on their suits specifically designed for AV, with a separate CPU/PG for the AV weapons (this way players couldn't use the extra CPU/PG and go overboard with their fitting, the extra CPU/PG would only apply to AV in the extra slots). One extra light slot, for swarms, and one extra grenade slot for AV nades. I say light slot so that a heavy can't rock a HMG and forge... cause that would be an INSANE combo against infantry.

Lol no. You have the Commando suit. It's not my fault you don't utilize it.

You heard Spkr folks, he says to have AV readily available, and the above suggestion is the only way to do that.

I face AV of all levels every single match. Those of us tankers that use the forums, the vast, overwhelming majority don't see you, because we're in skirmish. You know, good warm ups for PC battles? You know, one of 2 game modes that have a bearing on EVE? Ambush is team deathmatch. It has no bearing on EVE. If you don't want to fight tanks, you might as well go to Call of Duty. I'll drop a tank for you in a skirmish so you can see what it's like. I'll make it a blaster Gunnlogi with one active module, so it's not too hard for you. Then maybe you'll graduate to a blaster Madrugar, which has 5 active modules. Then I'll give you my funny speed fit, which has 7 active modules. Do you know what it's like to activate modules at the right time so you don't get destroyed?

For all those shouting the COD card. Use BF. they got the vehicle to infantry down right. or planet side. or halo. or unreal. or arma. but those HAV don't last long enough to draw a fart? no ****, cause THEY ARE FPS GAMES.

Dust is a ....mmo? MMORPGFPS? It a bloody LOBBY SHOOTER. Roaming open areas? talking to NPC? Wrong game. That game is called destiny.

resistance had a boat load of players. sure as hell no one is gonna call that game a mmo. MAG? riiiight. If by mmo you mean the MARKET being shared from eve, then yes mmo indeed.

CCP made a LOBBY FPS boys and girls. not a RTS.

Tankers on the other hand, require dedicated AV, which often puts the infantry player using it at a great disadvantage to the other 15 people in the match that aren't using tanks (but are in fact specifically hunting other infantry players).

Easy - deploy in a squad.

And unlike the infantry player who is vulnerable to everything, tanks are only vulnerable to AV but are useful against everything else in the game. Their only disadvantage is AV, but they have an advantage over all, including other vehicles (except for perhaps another tanker, in which case they are only matched).

There's still rendering problems every single match with AV. I've seen guys 10ft away from me launch invisible swarms around/over crates and boxes and they hit me invisibly. Yeah, I take the damage, but it's still an invisible swarm. You have an incredible advantage wielding AV with the rendering problems we still have.

Comparing a infantry player going 30-0 and a tanker going 30-0 is comparing apples to oranges. Think about it this way, what if you had to choose your tanks weapon fittings in two ways:

1) Is only useful against infantry, and you are completely vulnerable to other tanks and vehicles.
2) Is only useful against other vehicles, and you are completely vulnerable to infantry.

Commando suit - GEK and CBR 7 swarms. Problem solved

Duvolle with Packed Lai Dai. Problem solved

Its because of the percieved skill set diffrence.

At its core an Awsome Vehicle guy buys part of his awsomeness with his vehicle that makes him 90% resilient against anything on the map, coupled to at least having some tactical skill, this takes far less awareness & skill then Infantry that is vulnerable against 100% on the map.

Simple.

Infantry player going 30-0 is still an infantry player, and are vulnerable to everything in the game. Heck, a lucky grenade will take him out insantly. Even a militia AR can wipe him off the face of the planet in less than a second.

Tankers on the other hand, require dedicated AV, which often puts the infantry player using it at a great disadvantage to the other 15 people in the match that aren't using tanks (but are in fact specifically hunting other infantry players).

And unlike the infantry player who is vulnerable to everything, tanks are only vulnerable to AV but are useful against everything else in the game. Their only disadvantage is AV, but they have an advantage over all, including other vehicles (except for perhaps another tanker, in which case they are only matched).


Comparing a infantry player going 30-0 and a tanker going 30-0 is comparing apples to oranges. Think about it this way, what if you had to choose your tanks weapon fittings in two ways:

1) Is only useful against infantry, and you are completely vulnerable to other tanks and vehicles.
2) Is only useful against other vehicles, and you are completely vulnerable to infantry.

You want to truly balance a tank, then make it where the driver is only a driver, he still needs a gunner for even his main gun. That way a tank is always at least 2 people from your team. The driver also being the gunner just makes it where people spec into it so they can be less agile bullet sponges that either wreak havoc cause they have to much armor and require special equipment just to take down (mind you if you are using that equipment you are just about **** against infantry) or weak little peices of glass that cry all day because they don't have the armor that they think they should have.

If tanks had a 2 man minimum they could tip further twords the death machine all the dedicated tankers want them to be, they would require teamwork and 2 people to field properly.

This isnt an fps you ******. Its an mmofpsrpg. Its the planetside of eve. if you dont like it to bad. go play paintball.....oh wait that has tanks to . Also this game is about war. Tanks play an even bigger and more important role than infantry in war. So yea shove that up your tryhard rear.

**** no. That will be the death of HAVs. Period.

For all those shouting the COD card. Use BF. they got the vehicle to infantry down right. or planet side. or halo. or unreal. or arma. but those HAV don't last long enough to draw a fart? no ****, cause THEY ARE FPS GAMES.

Dust is a ....mmo? MMORPGFPS? It a bloody LOBBY SHOOTER. Roaming open areas? talking to NPC? Wrong game. That game is called destiny.

resistance had a boat load of players. sure as hell no one is gonna call that game a mmo. MAG? riiiight. If by mmo you mean the MARKET being shared from eve, then yes mmo indeed.

CCP made a LOBBY FPS boys and girls. not a RTS.

I face AV of all levels every single match. Those of us tankers that use the forums, the vast, overwhelming majority don't see you, because we're in skirmish. You know, good warm ups for PC battles? You know, one of 2 game modes that have a bearing on EVE? Ambush is team deathmatch. It has no bearing on EVE. If you don't want to fight tanks, you might as well go to Call of Duty. I'll drop a tank for you in a skirmish so you can see what it's like. I'll make it a blaster Gunnlogi with one active module, so it's not too hard for you. Then maybe you'll graduate to a blaster Madrugar, which has 5 active modules. Then I'll give you my funny speed fit, which has 7 active modules. Do you know what it's like to activate modules at the right time so you don't get destroyed?

Damn, i never knew pressing 5-7 buttons at the same time requires an ounce of skill...my guess is that you never played BattleTech back in the Pentium 90 days on Lan Matches (internets didnt excist yet).

Do a little too much and the Mech Overheated and shut down, you could overide this command if you had the skill & balls to pull it off while cycling weapon groups to fight efficiently at all times at all ranged, coupled with back thrusters to dodge incomming rail-fire and while your at it, place a Death From Above attack while comming down, locking the next mech and swapping weapons or activating systems.

You also had to take notice of damaged sectors or wrecked sectors because armor was gone there and your mech would take internal damage if it got hit there.

Tanks in Dust = Point, BLAST-EM..../drive away../activate module while driving away..or if your really daring, activate it before the shot hits ..OMG OMG so l33t....

in every other game, you don't put personal investment into vehicles, here you do, you put your own SP and ISK to deploying and using vehicles, they don't just randomly spawn at the same spot like they do in BF, we pilots personally call them down to be deployed, and when they are destroyed, we lose everything we invest in.

"so you think just because you spent your isk on it, that makes you better" in the real world (yes im bringing in the real world argument because you infantry are so fond of it when it suits your argument but you hate it when it counters you (fact)) those with money get ahead of those without money, in the real world those with money get better stuff than those that don't have money, in the real world money is everything.

"if you want the real world so badly, then make tanks the way they are in the real world" we don't ******* want this to be call of duty you ******* dumbasses, you seem to like the real world so much that we just give you evidence in the real world of stuff that counters you. and you don't like it? HTFU or STFU.

Dust isn't a pure FPS or pure infantry, Dust is part RPG in the fact that you personally skill your character into certain roles.

if this was meant to be pure infantry CCP WOULDNT HAVE PUT VEHICLES IN THE GAME