yeahh unfortionetly balancing by price tags is sketchy. Yeah the stuff should be balanced properly cuz it does effect the amount of tankers but at the same time the price has nothing to do with how effective it is on the battlefeild... so its hard to pass that out on the balance debate. But its differently there and i agree with you :)

When a tanker gos 30-0, its OP and needs to be nerfed. When an infantry player gos 30-0 (i.e. AR assault), its perfectly balanced. Why does this phenomena happen? Also, wasent attacking the AR assault, but its the most common fit for it.

Godin, Checkmate, I'm getting the feeling you guys don't play a lot of MMO's from your posts, so let me explain the tanking philosophy that I use.

A tank in an MMO is a defensive character that protects his teammates by having high health, and high defense. He gets the attention of the enemy and survives long enough for his team to kill it. He does not have killing power, all his equipment goes towards survival and health. He is first and foremost a bait character.

So yeah, if my tank in 1.5 is a bullet sponge, it's that way by my design. You are guaranteed not to see me top the kill boards, my job will be to make sure that my teammates do. And that is perfectly fair, and utterly balanced. It's only broken if an offensive tank has my level of defense in addition to extreme killing power, and if you'd just read the front page of Wolfman's 1.5 thread, you'll see that's not going to be happening. HAV' pilots are going to have to choose what they want their vehicles to be in the coming build.

yeah he had less. If anything, that should be even more problematic than a tank doing it, the infaintry player obviously did not need 6k HP or performance boosting mods to kill 3 ppl but thats okay. Its... just biased. I can kill them because i have an AR, that is okay. You cannot kill them because you are a tank. That is not okay. Ethire way its 3 ppl soloed? ethire way 30/0 without dieing? i dont understand why its a big deal for a tanker to do it

Godin, Checkmate, I'm getting the feeling you guys don't play a lot of MMO's from your posts, so let me explain the tanking philosophy that I use.

A tank in an MMO is a defensive character that protects his teammates by having high health, and high defense. He gets the attention of the enemy and survives long enough for his team to kill it. He does not have killing power, all his equipment goes towards survival and health. He is first and foremost a support character.

So yeah, if my tank in 1.5 is a bullet sponge, it's that way by my design. You are guaranteed not to see me top the kill boards, my job will be to make sure that my teammates do. And that is perfectly fair, and utterly balanced. It's only broken if an offensive tank has my level of defense in addition to extreme killing power, and if you'd just read the front page of Wolfman's 1.5 thread, you'll see that's not going to be happening. HAV' pilots are going to have to choose what they want their vehicles to be in the coming build.

Godin, Checkmate, I'm getting the feeling you guys don't play a lot of MMO's from your posts, so let me explain the tanking philosophy that I use.

A tank in an MMO is a defensive character that protects his teammates by having high health, and high defense. He gets the attention of the enemy and survives long enough for his team to kill it. He does not have killing power, all his equipment goes towards survival and health. He is first and foremost a support character.

So yeah, if my tank in 1.5 is a bullet sponge, it's that way by my design. You are guaranteed not to see me top the kill boards, my job will be to make sure that my teammates do. And that is perfectly fair, and utterly balanced. It's only broken if an offensive tank has my level of defense in addition to extreme killing power, and if you'd just read the front page of Wolfman's 1.5 thread, you'll see that's not going to be happening. HAV' pilots are going to have to choose what they want their vehicles to be in the coming build.

Godin, Checkmate, I'm getting the feeling you guys don't play a lot of MMO's from your posts, so let me explain the tanking philosophy that I use.

A tank in an MMO is a defensive character that protects his teammates by having high health, and high defense. He gets the attention of the enemy and survives long enough for his team to kill it. He does not have killing power, all his equipment goes towards survival and health. He is first and foremost a support character.

So yeah, if my tank in 1.5 is a bullet sponge, it's that way by my design. You are guaranteed not to see me top the kill boards, my job will be to make sure that my teammates do. And that is perfectly fair, and utterly balanced. It's only broken if an offensive tank has my level of defense in addition to extreme killing power, and if you'd just read the front page of Wolfman's 1.5 thread, you'll see that's not going to be happening. HAV' pilots are going to have to choose what they want their vehicles to be in the coming build.

fixed it for you, imo, support character are what the logi guys here are, they give health and ammunition to friendlies, that's a support character.

the only thing im glad about this is that blam is not around to **** pilots over anymore.

You also have to remember we're primarily shooter first ,rpg second and shooter preferred mechanics over rpg ones.

Waiwait,what? its not a big deal for a tanker to do it.
If i can go 36-8 in a game, tanker should be able to go 25+ kills and not die once. Ok.

but im agains a tanker going the same kills as me,without dying, then we have imbalance....
Because im dying in order to get my kills,im taking objectives and being fronline soldier to help my team,being run over LAvs , shot by rail and missile tanks alike,, and i do die, and my ADV suits cost 85K each...
So if you die 1 time every 2 matches, it hurts ? but if i die 8 times in 2 matches then im equally f***,with around 1300000isk loss...So yeah.

I dont think a tank going 25-30 kills - 0 deaths in a match is OP.
I just think they are NOT UP EITHER.

you have not idea, even post e3 build (I joined last august) man you'd go into a match and on the other team there'd be like 3 STB-(namehere) guys and you'd know that you were gonna lose, at the time I was in Zion TCD though it was before we had official corps just persistent chat channels. but STB just spammed missile gunnlogis and sagarises and I hated them for it.

Ok i understand.

In theory , it sounds balanced.But take in consideration 2 things:

1-You can always get road killsPlus ,even witha small turret you can get kills.
2-In Dust, EHP = kills.

Its like saying, ok bro,tanking i like it.
I want a 2000 EHP Medium Dropsuit, BUT DONT WORRY,it can only carry Side arms. So im sacrificing firepower for HP.

How about that huh? :3
Seems balanced?

I mean +1 for the explaination,but no....

Checkmate... you just ignored everything in that qoute box. I said both of them do not die. Ppl freak out that tanks got a bunch of kills and dident die, they say its not okay but it is okay when infaintry do just as well or better, wich does happen, somehow

Yeah, but being a defensive oriented tank doesn't = unkillable. It just means you're trading killing power for survivability. Staying alive is still going to be on the pilot. And I think it's safe to say that you aren't going to be seeing a lot of small turrets on HAV's after 1.5 drops. Screw that noise. Anyone wanting to ride around in a tank can build their own. Parasites.

Yeah, but being a defensive oriented tank doesn't = unkillable. It just means you're trading killing power for survivability. Staying alive is still going to be on the pilot. And I think it's safe to say that you aren't going to be seeing a lot of small turrets on HAV's after 1.5 drops. Screw that noise. Anyone wanting to ride around in a tank can build their own. Parasites.

tanks rarely go that high, especially with AV on the field.

You want to truly **** over a tanker, then make it where the driver is only a driver, he still needs a gunner for even his main gun. That way a tank is always at least 2 people from your team. The driver also being the gunner just makes it where people spec into it so they can be less agile bullet sponges that either wreak havoc cause they have to much armor and require special equipment just to take down (mind you if you are using that equipment you are just about **** against infantry) or weak little peices of glass that cry all day because they don't have the armor that they think they should have.

If tanks had a 2 man minimum they could tip further twords the death machine all the dedicated tankers want them to be, they would require teamwork and 2 people to field properly.

No your right the tankers who are still playing are litterally the veterans, the current tankers have 15 millish SP into their tanks and been using them for months, the tanks now are the best. Anyone else who are not the very best dont survive any games. Not saying its wrong for unskilled pilots to loose to proto av, but its true.
going 30+ without dieing is hard to do, i addmit but very many of us have done these countless times. I am one, the zitros when they played, regnuym (basically all the imperfects) alot of team players can do this, Syn, so on. Its just pub stomping, you get those games were you stomp the pub and dont die. Its dust. Happens quiet often, not usally a string of back to back games but its also not that rare

Well then im still a scrub-noob bro.Because even while playing vs noobs (i dont pub stomp),and even if i go 25-40 kills in a game, i still get killed at least 2-5 times. There is always Random grenades , grenade spam, a random sniper , a random roadkill, some remote explosives i didnt see,a RAilgun turret sniping me from across the map, a dropship that falls over me for no frekn reason at all, the:'' im better i can take on all 3 of them! '' thought and soon realize im in a room with 3-4 heavies with ADV HMG at CQ, LOL....etc...

Seems i still have much to learn.

And as you say, it might be only my luck,because most tankers i face , are badasses. AND I HAVE proto Swarms, ADV grenades and PROTO FG.....

fixed it for you.

no tanker would ever skill into tanks just to drive them, that takes everything out of wanting to skill into them

Thats what they said in PS1 as well but every tank was at least a 2 man crew, prowler had 3 man crew, the driver was the driver and nothing else. Still had huge tank groups, plenty of fun and more effective and more numerous av than we do in Dust. Tanks were more effective because they worked as a team and a group asset instead of being a crying little ***** like you seem to be.

Thats what they said in PS1 as well but every tank was at least a 2 man crew, prowler had 3 man crew, the driver was the driver and nothing else. Still had huge tank groups, plenty of fun and more effective and more numerous av than we do in Dust. Tanks were more effective because they worked as a team and a group asset instead of being a crying little ***** like you seem to be.