Its a FPS, Infantry is the blood that courses through this type of game.

You want to use vehicles? play EVE.

Ah no,but you people want to use VEHICLES to stomp on INFANTRY....Pfft... talk about EZ mode pricks....

Yup, LIKE TANKERS.

Exactly.

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I agree tanks are UP on the FIREPOWER AREA,and pricing area is too expensive.

But please,tanks already take a LOT of damage,for a FPS to have a specialized AV soldier with Proto gear to have to shoot a tank 6+times with a proto swarm to destroy it is madness....Specially taking in consideration the low amount of players allowed in the game.Having to sacrifice 2-3 potential AI soldiers to try and drop a tank is already enough of a handicap.Now you add the fact that the enemy might drop up to 4 tanks ,and you ahve yourself a game breaker.

@soldiersaint, you are not even worth my time maggot. ;)

PPl say they are bad because they have invested around 11mill SP into an armor tank to survive that sort of punnishment but can be so easily destroyed by any mode of cooperation. Those are quality tankers you were attempting to solo, and if they took that much effort to kill they must have been full HP with their active mods ready to go. So yeah the very best tanks can get away from a single proto AV user, but they quickly die to 2 or more AV users. Wich is fair, i think. But it doesent change the fact that tanks are bad cuz their so easy to kill. A shield tank will get soloed in under 8 seconds by a proto forge as well, never mind any 2 ppl with forges.

But to keep my thread revilant about how this is about infaintry being alowed to do well and tanks are not allowed to do well or their OP, if an infaintry soldier wins a 2v1 or a 3v1 its fair, perfectly balanced and that guy is skilled. But if a skilled tanker kills 2 or 3 people armed with assualt rifiles then its OP. I... dont understand. Very biased

''I know it's frustrating to see a tanker go 25+ kills per match for 5-10 matches (suspect hyperbole) but thats what it takes for tankers to make a profit, dead serious a good fit runs a mill + a contract pays out 250 for topping the board these days, that's 5 matches to break even. if you want to see tankers get blowed up every match then petition CCP to scale the pay of vehicle operators so they can afford to lose one every match.''

Nope, i've already posted this before: Tanks and their specific modules/weapons etc, need a 1/3 price reduction to match their preformance.

Also, i top 350k-400isk per game so i dont really know how much redline sniping you guys are doing only earning 250k isk per match....

Relax, Every single module is going to go towards maximizing resistence and health. The tradeoff will be greatly lessened killing power. I'm literally going to be a moving barricade for my team. That's the playstyle I love. The ridiculous kill streaks as always will go to the AR users.

Waiwait,what? its not a big deal for a tanker to do it.
If i can go 36-8 in a game, tanker should be able to go 25+ kills and not die once. Ok.

but im agains a tanker going the same kills as me,without dying, then we have imbalance....
Because im dying in order to get my kills,im taking objectives and being fronline soldier to help my team,being run over LAvs , shot by rail and missile tanks alike,, and i do die, and my ADV suits cost 85K each...
So if you die 1 time every 2 matches, it hurts ? but if i die 8 times in 2 matches then im equally f***,with around 1300000isk loss...So yeah.

I dont think a tank going 25-30 kills - 0 deaths in a match is OP.
I just think they are NOT UP EITHER.

And I think it's safe to say that you aren't going to be seeing a lot of small turrets on HAV's after 1.5 drops. Screw that noise. Anyone wanting to ride around in a tank can build their own. Parasites.

You want to truly balance a tank, then make it where the driver is only a driver, he still needs a gunner for even his main gun.

Recently no, but back in chromosome you couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting at least 2 proto tanks. They were to the point where those who didn't spec into tanks would just sit in the tanks cause it was the only way to get WP at all. That was not tanker skill btw it was just pure imbalance leaning to the tankers.

Your answer is right there, the tankers want to be unstoppable killing machines cause well they wanna, and the infantry don't want to go back to chromosome days where it was all tanks and nothing else mattered. The attitude of both sides is what got tanks to their current position, both from the infatry side over whining and the tanker side not willing to make any concessions about how much of a mess they were creating on the battlefield. CCP put their foot down and said fine we are reworking it, heres some crappy tanks to play with in the mean time.

[b]OMG I GOT SUPRESSED ! TT..TT QQ MORE.
Im getting Killed here and you re whining because tankers get ''supressed''.

If the infantry player going 30-0 required a special type of bullet and special type of weapon to kill him which was only useful against this one player, then I might agree with you.

NO!!

You are in your current predicament due to tankers seeing a bunch of randoms on the enemy team and then deciding that they posed such a "threat" that it needed not one, not two , not three but four yes FOUR TANKS!! to stomp on them for easy lol kills.

Well the tankers made the bed by lol pub stomping in ambush.

Another round of QQ from tankers
Suck it up bitches

Have proto AV readily available? Ok, I'll make sure to pack my merc's backpack with all the necessary weapons just in case a tanker decides to drop his load.

I have PRO AV myself. Forge guns, and the pathetically easy Haywire swarms.

Oh wait, we can't just recall and swap fittings anywhere on the map whenever we feel like it, we either have to die (only way in regular ambush) or find a supply depot (which oddly enough are rarely handy when you really need one). Oh and of course I could just spawn in with AV, and die repeatedly to infantry since I am not equipped to take them on. Yeah, that sounds reasonable.

Whose fault is it for supply depot placement? Not mine. Not tankers. That's solely CCP's decision.

IMO all infantry suits need to have two additional slots on their suits specifically designed for AV, with a separate CPU/PG for the AV weapons (this way players couldn't use the extra CPU/PG and go overboard with their fitting, the extra CPU/PG would only apply to AV in the extra slots). One extra light slot, for swarms, and one extra grenade slot for AV nades. I say light slot so that a heavy can't rock a HMG and forge... cause that would be an INSANE combo against infantry.

Lol no. You have the Commando suit. It's not my fault you don't utilize it.

You heard Spkr folks, he says to have AV readily available, and the above suggestion is the only way to do that.

I face AV of all levels every single match. Those of us tankers that use the forums, the vast, overwhelming majority don't see you, because we're in skirmish. You know, good warm ups for PC battles? You know, one of 2 game modes that have a bearing on EVE? Ambush is team deathmatch. It has no bearing on EVE. If you don't want to fight tanks, you might as well go to Call of Duty. I'll drop a tank for you in a skirmish so you can see what it's like. I'll make it a blaster Gunnlogi with one active module, so it's not too hard for you. Then maybe you'll graduate to a blaster Madrugar, which has 5 active modules. Then I'll give you my funny speed fit, which has 7 active modules. Do you know what it's like to activate modules at the right time so you don't get destroyed?

For all those shouting the COD card. Use BF. they got the vehicle to infantry down right. or planet side. or halo. or unreal. or arma. but those HAV don't last long enough to draw a fart? no ****, cause THEY ARE FPS GAMES.

Dust is a ....mmo? MMORPGFPS? It a bloody LOBBY SHOOTER. Roaming open areas? talking to NPC? Wrong game. That game is called destiny.

resistance had a boat load of players. sure as hell no one is gonna call that game a mmo. MAG? riiiight. If by mmo you mean the MARKET being shared from eve, then yes mmo indeed.

CCP made a LOBBY FPS boys and girls. not a RTS.

Tankers on the other hand, require dedicated AV, which often puts the infantry player using it at a great disadvantage to the other 15 people in the match that aren't using tanks (but are in fact specifically hunting other infantry players).

Easy - deploy in a squad.

And unlike the infantry player who is vulnerable to everything, tanks are only vulnerable to AV but are useful against everything else in the game. Their only disadvantage is AV, but they have an advantage over all, including other vehicles (except for perhaps another tanker, in which case they are only matched).

There's still rendering problems every single match with AV. I've seen guys 10ft away from me launch invisible swarms around/over crates and boxes and they hit me invisibly. Yeah, I take the damage, but it's still an invisible swarm. You have an incredible advantage wielding AV with the rendering problems we still have.

Comparing a infantry player going 30-0 and a tanker going 30-0 is comparing apples to oranges. Think about it this way, what if you had to choose your tanks weapon fittings in two ways:

1) Is only useful against infantry, and you are completely vulnerable to other tanks and vehicles.
2) Is only useful against other vehicles, and you are completely vulnerable to infantry.

Commando suit - GEK and CBR 7 swarms. Problem solved

Duvolle with Packed Lai Dai. Problem solved

Its because of the percieved skill set diffrence.

At its core an Awsome Vehicle guy buys part of his awsomeness with his vehicle that makes him 90% resilient against anything on the map, coupled to at least having some tactical skill, this takes far less awareness & skill then Infantry that is vulnerable against 100% on the map.

**** no. That will be the death of HAVs. Period.

Damn, i never knew pressing 5-7 buttons at the same time requires an ounce of skill...my guess is that you never played BattleTech back in the Pentium 90 days on Lan Matches (internets didnt excist yet).

Do a little too much and the Mech Overheated and shut down, you could overide this command if you had the skill & balls to pull it off while cycling weapon groups to fight efficiently at all times at all ranged, coupled with back thrusters to dodge incomming rail-fire and while your at it, place a Death From Above attack while comming down, locking the next mech and swapping weapons or activating systems.

You also had to take notice of damaged sectors or wrecked sectors because armor was gone there and your mech would take internal damage if it got hit there.

Tanks in Dust = Point, BLAST-EM..../drive away../activate module while driving away..or if your really daring, activate it before the shot hits ..OMG OMG so l33t....

For my understanding, tanks still require only one person to operate properly (unlike like LAV that need 2). This makes them fairly expensive super weapon that allows one man to dominate the battlefield. Kinda like near invulnerability with ridiculous firepower for a cost.

Apart from the overcome any obstacle bit I agree, however they should also be capable of defending a teams assets or strongholds, this were the difference between sheild and armour tanks will be apparant, an armour tanks engagement time will be defined by its lack of ammo, it can dish out damage only fof a while before it needs to leave and resupply, while sheild based tanks will be dependant on their active modules, they can only stick around so long before the modules turn off and the tank becomes weak!!