its a double standard and needs to be dealt with by the community..

the infantry believe they are entitled to everything, and they don't think anyone else should be as good as them.

self entitled pricks

id like to look at the situation more optimistically and just call it a double standard as said above, but i kinda agree. lol. there is abit of truth to this statement. Sucks ppl want their class to be the best and not try to balance the game

"like tankers"
so what your saying is, both tankers and infainty want their class to be best and none of it balanced?

@soldiersaint, you are not even worth my time maggot. ;)

PPl say they are bad because they have invested around 11mill SP into an armor tank to survive that sort of punnishment but can be so easily destroyed by any mode of cooperation. ==> Coop can be defeated with Co op, dont liek loosing tanks? get 2 team members in an LAV with good A.infantry weaponry to circle the tank making swarms harder to lock on on he tank and to take down AV enemy infantry. Coop + tanks = Secure win.
Example,I was using a MLT tank but i had 2 buddies from my corp to actually take care of AV infantry for me, And io went 33-0 with a MLT tank,NOTHING added LOL. PLUS,coop is supposed to overcome ANYTHING, even a 11sp 2million ISK tank...


Those are quality tankers you were attempting to solo, and if they took that much effort to kill they must have been full HP with their active mods ready to go. So yeah the very best tanks can get away from a single proto AV user, but they quickly die to 2 or more AV users. Wich is fair, i think. But it doesent change the fact that tanks are bad cuz their so easy to kill. A shield tank will get soloed in under 8 seconds by a proto forge as well, never mind any 2 ppl with forges.
==Again, you are talking about CO - Op killing tanks easily, now imagine Coop With tanks. The problem is tankers want to get in a game,get kills solo without any form of cooperation.Even IRL,tanks need support.


But to keep my thread revilant about how this is about infaintry being alowed to do well and tanks are not allowed to do well or their OP, if an infaintry soldier wins a 2v1 or a 3v1 its fair, perfectly balanced and that guy is skilled. But if a skilled tanker kills 2 or 3 people armed with assualt rifiles then its OP. I... dont understand. Very biased
Maybe.But that player that took on 2-3 enemy reds did not pack 6000 EHP plus active/passive resistance modules.....

That's perfectly fine by me, Wolf Saber. I've got all my SP tied up in HAV's right now because my ultimate goal, as I'm constantly ranting about, is to make a defensive orientated tank that eats damage for breakfast. That's seriously all I want. In MMO's, I play tanking characters: Warriors, Paladins, Death Knights, Sith Juggernauts, Powertech bounty hunters, you name it. For dust I want to build the ultimate expression of my obsession with maximum defense: A tanking tank!

It's going to be ******* glorious! My HAV's already work halfway towards that goal: They attract enemy attention like a boss, the trick is surviving that attention. When 1.5 drops, I have no doubt at all that the mobile fortress of my dreams will finally be realized. Waste your rockets trying to kill me, spunk-munchers, while my teammates shoot you in the face! AHAHAHAHA!

1: I've seen higher with assaults.

2: If you dye in a HAV, your ****** for the next couple games.

I just went 36/0, and killed 4 LAV's, 2 HAV's, a dropships, and 9 of an assortment of installations, and only got 234k ISK. Come again?

yeah he had less. If anything, that should be even more problematic than a tank doing it, the infaintry player obviously did not need 6k HP or performance boosting mods to kill 3 ppl but thats okay. Its... just biased. I can kill them because i have an AR, that is okay. You cannot kill them because you are a tank. That is not okay. Ethire way its 3 ppl soloed? ethire way 30/0 without dieing? i dont understand why its a big deal for a tanker to do it

Godin, Checkmate, I'm getting the feeling you guys don't play a lot of MMO's from your posts, so let me explain the tanking philosophy that I use.

A tank in an MMO is a defensive character that protects his teammates by having high health, and high defense. He gets the attention of the enemy and survives long enough for his team to kill it. He does not have killing power, all his equipment goes towards survival and health. He is first and foremost a support character.

So yeah, if my tank in 1.5 is a bullet sponge, it's that way by my design. You are guaranteed not to see me top the kill boards, my job will be to make sure that my teammates do. And that is perfectly fair, and utterly balanced. It's only broken if an offensive tank has my level of defense in addition to extreme killing power, and if you'd just read the front page of Wolfman's 1.5 thread, you'll see that's not going to be happening. HAV' pilots are going to have to choose what they want their vehicles to be in the coming build.

Checkmate... you just ignored everything in that qoute box. I said both of them do not die. Ppl freak out that tanks got a bunch of kills and dident die, they say its not okay but it is okay when infaintry do just as well or better, wich does happen, somehow

Yeah, but being a defensive oriented tank doesn't = unkillable. It just means you're trading killing power for survivability. Staying alive is still going to be on the pilot. And I think it's safe to say that you aren't going to be seeing a lot of small turrets on HAV's after 1.5 drops. Screw that noise. Anyone wanting to ride around in a tank can build their own. Parasites.

tanks rarely go that high, especially with AV on the field.

No your right the tankers who are still playing are litterally the veterans, the current tankers have 15 millish SP into their tanks and been using them for months, the tanks now are the best. Anyone else who are not the very best dont survive any games. Not saying its wrong for unskilled pilots to loose to proto av, but its true.
going 30+ without dieing is hard to do, i addmit but very many of us have done these countless times. I am one, the zitros when they played, regnuym (basically all the imperfects) alot of team players can do this, Syn, so on. Its just pub stomping, you get those games were you stomp the pub and dont die. Its dust. Happens quiet often, not usally a string of back to back games but its also not that rare

So for you, it just isn't satisfactory to merely suppress us and drive us away, you want it to be so incredibly easy to destroy tanks that you don't need to reload your Haywires to do it. That just simply should not be the case.

Your idea of av is so twisted its sickening.
A tank is the game changer, a many thousand hp gun platform design to take punishment and kill us infantry caught out in the open. == a good TANKER is a game changer. the AV infantry is made to counter this game changer.Thats what they do. I havnt played a FPS still where a vehicle can take more than 3 AV rounds.This is the first one. TAking 5 PROTO AV ,IS taking punishment.


It should NOT take one merc even with proto swarms or forge gun to end a tank costing more than 5 times your suit cost.
The cost is excessive, i agree. But why not? You are paying 5 times to have 10 times my HP and have more firepower. We are playing 12 vs 12 matches and you want 3-4 players of a team to squad up to take down ONE tank? So what,if the enemy pulls down 3 tanks ? then,we might as well sit in the MCC because even if we take those tanks out,there will be no one left to take and protect the objectives,not to mention the amount of times we will get killed by enemy infantry. If a single tanker can be a game changer in a 24 man game,so should a single AV be able to counter him,because his is a team based game.And if something does something solo,then the counter should be able to be something solo.

I want tactical ambushing of the bastard with 2 -6 mercs raining hell and great vengeance. Right now its too simple its barely a challenge 90% of the time.
35-0 with no decent av good on you. 35-0 with people specced av in this build I tip my hat to you

ok.