So what you are saying is
lets make it like "real life" where the fact I spend millions on a tank should mean im awsome
but we can't have "real life", where a single shoulder launched missle blows up your tank because . . ?

you seem to have ignored my 1st bolded statement (big surprise... ) where I explain that we have counters in the real world to whatever you want us to be crippled by in the real world.

WE DONT WANT THIS TO BE LIKE THE REAL WORLD....

we just bring up counters to every argument you make based in the real world, and you guys don't like it.

Damn, i never knew pressing 5-7 buttons at the same time requires an ounce of skill...my guess is that you never played BattleTech back in the Pentium 90 days on Lan Matches (internets didnt excist yet).

Do a little too much and the Mech Overheated and shut down, you could overide this command if you had the skill & balls to pull it off while cycling weapon groups to fight efficiently at all times at all ranged, coupled with back thrusters to dodge incomming rail-fire and while your at it, place a Death From Above attack while comming down, locking the next mech and swapping weapons or activating systems.

You also had to take notice of damaged sectors or wrecked sectors because armor was gone there and your mech would take internal damage if it got hit there.

Tanks in Dust = Point, BLAST-EM..../drive away../activate module while driving away..or if your really daring, activate it before the shot hits ..OMG OMG so l33t....

If you dont want it to be like the real world, dont use the real world in any of arguments
then don't bring up any real world **** in any of your arguments either, then we wont have to, we only respond to what you infantry say, its you infantry who keep bringing up the real world

just what exactly do expect tanks to be like?
neither side can ever agree on anything, its up to CCP to decide how HAVs should be used, if we don't like it, they lose the vehicle pilots and this game becomes another call of duty

How many people should it take, to take down a tank being driven by one guy?
iv explained this many times before, a minimum of 3 AVers should take down a tank that is 2 tiers above their AV level.

but if you require 3 people to kill one HAV, then the entire team needs to bring out AV to take down more than one tank

not true at all, if you already have 3 AVers on the battle field, those 3 AVers is all you need to take down those tanks... if you think what I quoted above, your just plain too stupid to work with someone else.

Its a FPS, Infantry is the blood that courses through this type of game.

You want to use vehicles? play EVE.

Ah no,but you people want to use VEHICLES to stomp on INFANTRY....Pfft... talk about EZ mode pricks....

So what happens when younget a tank at top av level?
Thats a political answer how many should it take down a tank the same tier as the av?

if it takes 3 standard AVers to take down a proto HAV (we don't have anything above standard)

then count and it will make sense:

1 proto AVer to take on a proto tank (the AV has to be extremely clever and intelligent to do this completely solo)
and so on.... basically the numbers increase the higher the tank level is compared to you and the number lowers if your closer to his level.

I thought thats what you meant. . . . . you can expect your nerf in the post, because ill tell you now 3std av isn't enough for a std hull with complex(proto) mods!!

I understand, I made my way of balancing quite accurate in the past, iv tried to remember it here as clearly as I can but oh well.

we have prototype modules here but no advanced or prototype hulls.

I was basing it on full basic fittings on tanks, full advanced fittings on tanks and full prototype fittings on tanks... if you have proto modules on your tank, you shouldn't go down easily

Well now your going round circles void, which is more important, the hull or the mods which should define you?
At the moment I dont think you really have std hulls, they are a base nothing more, its what you put on them that makes them work!

I understand sometimes being tanker can be annoying, but in my experience of tanking, there is this very gungho approach, I think wolfman will put a stop to this, make tanks have more defined roles, let them interact with infantry better.
Hell im starting to see that now in .4. I was on a domination and we had created a barricade from hacked enemy llavs so they used a tank like a battering ram. Then the infantry used it for cover. We saw it off with an av effort, but he got away and recalled, but he didn't bring it out again! Tanks are a force multiplier when used correctly!!

For my understanding, tanks still require only one person to operate properly (unlike like LAV that need 2). This makes them fairly expensive super weapon that allows one man to dominate the battlefield. Kinda like near invulnerability with ridiculous firepower for a cost.

So until they require a team to operate (at least 2) infantry should not need a team to take them down. Cost and SP required is irrelevant (Grind2Win, Pay2Win doesn't go well with fps games).


Besides having dedicated driver and dedicated shooter would make them heck of a lot more mobile and promote other fits that just shield/armor tanking ones.

What is the role of a tank then?

the HAV should be a heavily armored or shielded platform for a person to skill into and use. it should be adaptable and able to overcome any obstacle, the role of the HAV should be to punch through enemy lines and lead the infantry in for the victory, thus it should be able to take a lot of damage and give a lot of damage also.

right now, all they are good for is distance fighting.

For my understanding, tanks still require only one person to operate properly (unlike like LAV that need 2). This makes them fairly expensive super weapon that allows one man to dominate the battlefield. Kinda like near invulnerability with ridiculous firepower for a cost.

Apart from the overcome any obstacle bit I agree, however they should also be capable of defending a teams assets or strongholds, this were the difference between sheild and armour tanks will be apparant, an armour tanks engagement time will be defined by its lack of ammo, it can dish out damage only fof a while before it needs to leave and resupply, while sheild based tanks will be dependant on their active modules, they can only stick around so long before the modules turn off and the tank becomes weak!!

You clearly have NO IDEA what it's like. Are you saying shield tanks won't have ammo?

Apart from the overcome any obstacle bit I agree, however they should also be capable of defending a teams assets or strongholds, this were the difference between sheild and armour tanks will be apparant, an armour tanks engagement time will be defined by its lack of ammo, it can dish out damage only fof a while before it needs to leave and resupply, while sheild based tanks will be dependant on their active modules, they can only stick around so long before the modules turn off and the tank becomes weak!!

that's the problem coming in the 1.5 times, tanks will no longer be tanks...

once that happens, I wont be playing this game anymore, il save up my SP or have them respect my tank sp and wait for jet fighters to come in, those are the only vehicles I see in the future that will have any significance for a lone pilot that wont have to rely on anyone else.

Void have some faith im personally looking forward to tge changes as we will see who can still cut it . I like the hit run hide pattern of tanking I.e. rush round tge redline to the enimys redline and destroy everything between you and your own redline whilst ploughing through the field and I think the changes in 1.5 will just emphasise the current tanking schools I.e. armour will be the stand and deliver tank abd shields the gurilla attack vehicles there supposed to be . Im looking forward to the acctive dammage mods

Dude what do you expect, tanks aren't one man killing machines they need support they need other people, why should it be any different? 1 man makes a solider, many men make an army!!

Void have some faith im personally looking forward to tge changes as we will see who can still cut it . I like the hit run hide pattern of tanking I.e. rush round tge redline to the enimys redline and destroy everything between you and your own redline whilst ploughing through the field and I think the changes in 1.5 will just emphasise the current tanking schools I.e. armour will be the stand and deliver tank abd shields the gurilla attack vehicles there supposed to be . Im looking forward to the acctive dammage mods

Finally someone who gets it, armour tanking is all about being more of a longer lasting presence, you might have to sacrifice power in order to stick around longer, but you're ability to commit your fire for a sustained period gives many pros!!

Sheild tanks are all about punching a hole then allowing infantry to finish the job, while armour is more of close infantry support, prepare for teamwork tankers, teamwork will be the flavour of the game!!

Also to the guy brining in the real world example for who has the most money wins, you sir have just bought the worst and poorest argument ever in the history of warfare.

I cannot recall once, not once, where an effective weapon system that passed prototyping and into mass manufacture was ever designed to take out something costs more (in use) than what it typically kills.

Average soldier is about 15,000 USD to train and gear up and grind out, he can be easily killed by a 1$ bullet to the face.

Average fielded tank these days depending where you are can run you anywhere from 250,000 USD (old war) to 15 million a pop (the M1-A1 Abrams) and the RPG 25 has been known for the last decade to be able to defeat said tank probably costs around 500 to 5k usd give or take (this is just a rough estimate there is really established price tag but the system is just a tube and rocket it cannot get that expensive, now with guidance you're talking about 5-20x the price, such as a stinger) The older RPGs that able to make mincemeat out of old world tank's crew are as cheap as 50 USD a rocket.