I'll do you one better, I have a Gallente scout alt with a TAC AR and nova knives. When I see a MD kill on the feed on CQC maps, I pay attention and listen out for explosions while looking for common camping spots while pacing myself.

In an open field, sure, I know what to do, but in an enclosed complex, surrounded by tons of blueberries and grenades?
It's one of the most confusing feelings in this game.
Especially with the low frame rate.

You should try being in the recieveing end, get a Gallente dropsuit and run some matches, try to encounter a MD.

The AR has no overheat, works shooting up or downhill, has longer range than most weapons, has a tight spread, high ROF, effective vs both shields and armor, and can solo anything that isn't a vehicle. This gun does not require skill to use the scrambler rifle requires skill. How do I know? I use a standard AR and hit everything. I use a scrambler, and not so much. My aim is god awful, so if I can get kills with it, it does not take much skill. The AR is just as easy as the MD.

My biggest gripe with the mass driver is that it messes with your aiming on impact.

So if a mass driver guy gets the first shot off it is very easy for him to land every followup shot, but almost impossible for the opponent to recover his tracking as it becomes dislodged on every shot. Seems kind of silly.

Crutch much?

Lawl? Seriously, how bout nerf the ar. trust me I use both and the md takes more skill than a ar to use. It takes time to get used the arc. It isn't point and shot. You have to actually think where to place the shots depending on range, elevation and area. So what's the problem? Trust me aiming at people's feet is harder than how you make it sound lol. The gun is already low on amo because of scrubs like you who complain OP because you stand still near a wall when being shot at by a MD. Sit down and get good, if it makes you feel better i can use my ar to own you or hmg or forge gun so you can cry op. Better yet I'll take my forge gun into the front line and still own you :)

Now lets do a little math,

lets say we a a Duvolle Assault Rifle and a Boundless Assault Mass Driver. now in a 10 sec burst from each i will start with the Boundless Assault Mass Driver then the Duvolle Assault Rifle. these are based on level 5 skills fyi

Boundless Assault Mass Driver

Direct Damage183.655


Splash Damage88.09


ROF 75 Per Min

Clip 8

Reload speed 3.4 sec

so we take 60/75 = .8 witch is our rounds per sec so in a 10 second burst a massdrive can shoot 12.5 rounds so we will call it 9 because it has a 3.4 second reload once it hits 8 rounds "8*.8 =6.4 sec + 3.4 =9.8 so we will call it 9 rounds.

now lets say you get hit by all 9 rounds that comes to

Direct Damage 1652.895 or... Splash Damage 792.81 for a 10 sec burst

not bad looks impressive....

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Now using the same math

Duvolle Assault Rifle

Direct Damage 43.01

ROF 750 per min

Clip 60

Reload speed 2.55 sec

so we take 60/750 = .08 witch is our rounds per sec so in a 10 second burst a AR can shoot 125 rounds so we will call it 93.75 because it has a 2.55 second reload once it hits 60 rounds "8*.8 =4.8 sec + 2.55 =7.35 leaving 2.65 witch = about 33.75 rounds so 60 + 33.75 = 93.75 and all the rounds fired for 10 sec. so we will call it 93.75 rounds.


Direct Damage 4032.1875 for a 10 sec burst.


now i ask you witch of these 2 guns need a nerf?

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I run a Gal Assault suit with a MD. Honestly, enemy MD don't scare me in the slightest. It's the SCR/locust combo and damped shotties that scare me. That and turning a corner and being surprised by an HMG.

Scrubs like me?

Just remember who surrendered to who

Okay, that really needs to go away. I thought it was gone, but you're like the 10th person bringing it up. I'm going to suggest the remove it right now. Even MD users said it was OP.

Edit: Done

Lol? If you're regarding pc I don't take that seriously until they add more stuff to it. Plus I don't meet the SP requirements since my char is around a month old. So that's invalid, due to the fact that the topic is about you crying op when a gun kills you. Now you wanna nerf the md even more because it actually is useful now? Gtfo

Edit: and fyi everyone know why hellstorm Inc fell because kuju took half of our good players and a lot of money.

Lol? If you're regarding pc I don't take that seriously until they add more stuff to it. Plus I don't meet the SP requirements since my char is around a month old. So that's invalid, due to the fact that the topic is about you crying op when a gun kills you. Now you wanna nerf the md even more because it actually is useful now? Gtfo

Edit: and fyi everyone know why hellstorm Inc fell because kuju took half of our good players and a lot of money.

Why do you feel the need to try to discredit players through indirect measures to skirt an argument? Crutch much?

So you don't play PC and therefore your posts are irrelevant

just like 90% of this thread

Why do people that play PC and use it as a badge of honour QQ

They shuld be the ones living by HTFU and adapt or die but yet they make threads and pacts and whatever else to tone down weapons instead of finding ways to beat them.

Now I think the MD can be a bit scary but I am a scout and having to dodge that many shots can be an issue if there isnt much cover close but if I am in a group and can flank or if I have a bit of high ground I am fine.

I asked those jokers why a group of AR's couldnt keep their distance and defeat Flaylock users and all you heard was silence.

IF PC is so hard and you guys are so good then defeat them, dont run crying.

matters what type of cover and I try to stay far from the tight spots because thats when you get stuck and cant escape through alleys for some reason only known by the CCP coding gods.

Why do you feel the need to try to discredit players through indirect measures to skirt an argument? Crutch much?

Why do people that play PC and use it as a badge of honour QQ

They should be the ones living by HTFU and adapt or die but yet they make threads and pacts and whatever else to tone down weapons instead of finding ways to beat them.

Now I think the MD can be a bit scary but I am a scout and having to dodge that many shots can be an issue if there isnt much cover close but if I am in a group and can flank or if I have a bit of high ground I am fine.

I asked those jokers why a group of AR's couldnt keep their distance and defeat Flaylock users and all you heard was silence.

IF PC is so hard and you guys are so good then defeat them, dont run crying.

[quote=Cosgar]
PC is the most competitive stage of Dust right now. In PC matches you begin to truly see what is balanced and what is unbalanced.

Pubs are joke and if your only experience in dust is pubs then your opinions on balance are not needed

Still doesn't give you a "get out of jail free" card to misdirect a topic because someone has an opinion that differs from yours. Try using a weapon before you suggest nerfing it, or maybe use some numbers to support your claim. Maybe I'll take you more serious than rolling my eyes when you try to impose supremacy over others because you play a different game mode.

Correction I play the most competitive game mode

I love it how you guys act like regnum does not run by you and just completely roflstomp all of you with ease. Just because he can roflstomp you this doesnt mean the weapon your using is balanced. It has too much AOE for the dmg given (because AOE of 8+ meters is so balanced )...so either the dmg need to be decreased or the AOE needs to be decreased (decreased AOE would be better than dmg IMO).

Just because there are people who could roflstomp the flaylock users that doesnt mean the flaylock was balanced. Noobs need to step back and stop talking when people who actually know a thing or two about FPS balance start talking.

Yawn - here you come again.

I never claimed the Flaylock didnt need balancing and I am not sure yet if the MD needs to be balanced again.

Let me ask a question - If you turn down the AOE (damage or radius) then what is the point of the weapon?

And once again the arguments against the Flaylock werent really addressed other than taking away much of its killing power and why is that - becuase many ran into its range instead of fighting outside of it. Now you can blame that on CCP's poor render of models and lag etc or you can blame it on people just wanting to run into a killing distance they feel comfortable with and dont want to change the way they play.

Back to the topic of calling people out - if you guys were that good you wouldnt be playing Dust anyway so stop the we are PC we are ultimate rubbish.

Carry on discussing the MD.

The mass driver, and explosives in general, and done fundamentally wrong in this game.

Notice how we're going from one FOTM explosives weapon (flaylock) to another FOTM explosives weapon (mass driver)?

Explosives in the game are bad... they are programmed really bad.

They programmed damage fall off for weapons... they need to do similar for explosives, period.

So yeah... MD is OVERPOWERED. It is overperforming the role it is supposed to. Not because of damage, not because of blast radius, and not because of clip capacity.

It is overpowered because of terrible programming and poorly planned splash damage mechanics.

Honestly.. grenades are the same way... but we don't complain as much because we can all use grenades.