what kill data, the top two weapons that get kills in this game are AR and sniper rifles, and AR's get easily double the kills of sniper rifles, all other weapons don't even come close.

if you add up the kill feeds they will usually look like the following

AR- 85 kills
snipers 50 kills
tanks/vehicles - 50 kills
scrambler rifles - 45 kills
mass driver - 30 kills
everything else - 30-50 kills depending on how many heavies you have using forge guns

Crutch much?

Really another idiot like buster actually exists!!!

Wow that actually surprises me since his idiocy was on a whole different level. Lets see here your data collection means nothing....all it means is that a majority of kills are done by ARs......and we all know ARs are the weapon the majority of players use. So by your same logic I can ask CCP to give me a weapon that will insta kill everyone and makes me invincible....but as long as I am the only one to use it then it wont be OP since it will only be a small percentage of the total kills. Seriously kids who think they know anything about statistical data gathering or interpretation make me laugh. They dont even know the first thing about gathering data and analysing said data. I am sorry but this type of idiocy will not go unchallenged.


Now to Regnum.......its true people want their crutch....I mean who couldnt want a MD that has a AOE of more than 8 meters that does 100 or more dmg per shot to armor. If you are slightly better at aiming you can use a weapon with a stronger AOE it just has an AOE of 5-6 meters. Honestly noobs need their crutches so they will come on here and argue/defend these weapons all day long. Personally balancing these weapons would be very easy. If you lower the AOE dmg then you probably nerf it way too much. I think the easiest/best way to balance is to change the AOE....AOE for the regular MD should be 3.0 (which gets boosted up to 3.75 when fully skilled) and the assault MD should be ~4.0 (with skills this would go up to 5.0).

explosives just need a whole rework in this game.

Sure you can nerf flaylocks/mass drivers/nades into the ground so they aren't viable but in general explosives are not working like they should.

Most importantly we need better damage fall off throughout the blast radius. I don't know how it works now but we need damage falloff for explosives fit a fairly narrow gaussian distribution, and then tweak the maximum blast radius and peak damage on all explosives to compensate.

There should be no distinction between direct damage and splash on explosives.. just peak damage which happens at 0m from blast and then fall off as you move out of the range.

This is a big problem with flux nades too.

Yeah, AR is the biggest crutch around.

Also, more to the point, the Data that I and others have collected are the only meaningful information on these forums when it comes to a discussion about overusage. Make no mistake, the AR is the most overused weapon in the game, and CCP really needs to address this imbalance. There's no diversity in Dust, and that's very bad for Dust.

The AR amounts, in pubs, to killing nearly as often as 11 of the remaining 13 weapons in game combined. The AR kills 10 times as often as it's close cousin, the scrambler rifle.

Say what you want about me (I realize, unlike you, that I'm, not a member of the AR nerf brigade), but those are facts.

Hail AR 514, hail king AR.

explosives just need a whole rework in this game.

Sure you can nerf flaylocks/mass drivers/nades into the ground so they aren't viable but in general explosives are not working like they should.

Most importantly we need better damage fall off throughout the blast radius. I don't know how it works now but we need damage falloff for explosives fit a fairly narrow gaussian distribution, and then tweak the maximum blast radius and peak damage on all explosives to compensate.

There should be no distinction between direct damage and splash on explosives.. just peak damage which happens at 0m from blast and then fall off as you move out of the range.

This is a big problem with flux nades too.

I coudl agree with this too.....the falloff of dmg should be logrithmic.

Honestly,

Your aiming at people feet do you really need 6 shots?

What you fail to understand is overuse does not mean unbalanced. You cannot force ppl to use certain weapons so that there is an equal difference in weaponry uses. What most "AR" users dont realize is that the scrambler rifle stats are all better than the AR stats. So why talk about "balancing" the AR when there is already another weapon that is definitely better than the AR? The AR is unbalanced is just chosen by more ppl to be used....this does not mean its OP it just means a majority of ppl use it.

LOL not a member of the AR nerf brigade.........your hilarious. yes thats why at every turn you talk about the OP AR. Sorry buddy but you cant "force" ppl to use different weapons. People gravitate towards the AR because they are comfortable with it. I know ppl who have only used the AR exclusively and they know there are weapons that are better for them but they still just use it because they are familiar with the AR and they will never switch. You cant force these ppl to switch without CCP taking over ppls accounts and making them spec into weapons they dont want to use.

What you fail to understand is overuse does not mean unbalanced. You cannot force ppl to use certain weapons so that there is an equal difference in weaponry uses. What most "AR" users dont realize is that the scrambler rifle stats are all better than the AR stats. So why talk about "balancing" the AR when there is already another weapon that is definitely better than the AR? The AR is unbalanced is just chosen by more ppl to be used....this does not mean its OP it just means a majority of ppl use it.

LOL not a member of the AR nerf brigade.........your hilarious. yes thats why at every turn you talk about the OP AR. Sorry buddy but you cant "force" ppl to use different weapons. People gravitate towards the AR because they are comfortable with it. I know ppl who have only used the AR exclusively and they know there are weapons that are better for them but they still just use it because they are familiar with the AR and they will never switch. You cant force these ppl to switch without CCP taking over ppls accounts and making them spec into weapons they dont want to use.

Lol Assault tears are coming from everywhere.
I can't wait till HMG's problems are fixed too. AR 514 is over.

And I will be shredding your heavy from further distance and with more damage for greater accuracy with an ASCR.

ASCR 514 is born

Until the AR nerf brigade gets wise and kills your ability to compete.

Hal AR 514. Hail king AR.

It is so easy for a dust player to jump on these forums and give passionate and experienced feedback about the game. But we need to stop deluding ourselves.

We do not understand much about how the game mechanics really work even though we play more than anyone else. We don't have any hard data.

Maybe scaling blast radius damage based on distance from impact would create such a demand on the limited resources of the game engine and PS3 that a decision was made to just have a flat direct and flat blast damage score. Or maybe not.

My point is that I would urge everyone posting what seems obvious, real and imperitive to youto consider that there is a metric butt ton of data that is really important that we don't see. So pleasetitrate your input and expectations accordingly.

Now, Wolfman and the CCP office has begun communicating with us Ina more open and transparent manner of late. If they would be willing to give insight to some hard data driven questions ( like a lot of suggestions posted here) then we can move the conversation away from emotionally charged rhetoric towards logical real decisions.

But that's up to CCP.

13 pages of QQ? About the mass driver? It just got fixed. lolwut

I think alot of people seem to have forgot that it got nerfed, and everyone was all satisfied with it for .. how long?

The AR kills as often as 11 of the available 14 weapons combined. Combined. It doesn't matter if it's OP or not, it's hurting diversity, and hurting the game.

Also, this logic really makes no sense regarding people using the AR. It seems people migrated to the Flaylock at ok speeds before it was nerfed. If the AR was not OP, people would stop using it and migrate to other weapons, but they aren't. The overusage is the problem regardless of whether or not it fits your interpretation of OP.

Actually the problem is your logical reasoning is flawed. You want there to be more diversity in the weapons people use. So in an attempt to obtain the diversity desired you wish to uber nerf a weapon that is infact balanced in an effort to force ppl from using this weapon to using a different weapon thereby increasing the "diversity". Only this is perhaps one of the most insanely idiotic reasonings for nerfing something that anyone could think of. A player should not be "forced" to not use the weapon they want to use just to increase the diversity of the weaponry in this game. Even if you do this then how can you make people spec differently...what if they all specced into ASCR? Then your have ASCR 514 (according to you) and you back to the exact same place you were before with a vast majority of the kills being done by 1 weapon because a vast majority of players have chosen to use that weapon.

Simply put you cannot/should not be able to force diversity in a game where you can choose the weapon you use. Like I said there are better weapons already on the market for people to use and many people despite knowing that there is a better weapon will continue to use the "inferior" weapon because they are familiar with it....or like it......or like the looks of it...(whatever reason they personally have). People migrated to the flaylock because it was OP...and some people follow that trend. However even with the flaylock being OP you still didnt see a majority of people using it because they chose not to. Heck I chose not to spec into the flaylock because I knew it was a noob weapon and I didnt want to use it for that reason (i also rarely if ever use sidearms). You cannot dictate other players person preferences. Heck eventually we are supposed to have 4 different models of assault rifles (1 for every race) and yet you will still probably see a majority if players stick with the original plasma rifles even when there are better options out there.

BTW I am a ASCR user....before that an AR user. I moved to the ASCR because I saw that it was better than the AR in every single way. But I dont have an issue with ppl using the AR because thats what they choose to use. Maybe I just dont understand the mentality that is behind your thought process of "the devs need to make sure that the weapons usage is diverse so they should nerf/buff weapons accordingly to create a diverse weapon environment". Perhaps its just my libertarian mind coming through that refuses to allow me to accept such a gross example of freedom of choice being taken from a player.

Yes you gamer who is good at using sniper rifles...CCP has now designated you as a shotgunner...as such you can only use the shotgun now because we must maintain a diverse weapon usage and we see that there are just too many sniper rifles in use as such your name has come up as one of the players who will now be using the shotgun exclusively. Have a nice day

Hell, I would take buffing the other weapons, or even not nerfing them in to the ground. The AR nerf brigade won't have that though, so the only thing left is to bring the AR down to the level of the rest of the weapons.

Sigh......yes because the ASCR isnt better than the AR.....

I swear debating with a wall is better than debating you...and least it gives intelligent replies in the echoes.......