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Heimdallr69
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.08.01 00:30:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:*** CURRENT THREADNAUGHT STATISTICS UPDATE*** Unique Authors: 86 No of authors comprising 50% of posts: 11 (13% of posters) (Zatara Rought, Heimdallr69, Billi Gene, Buster Friently, Cosgar, ReGnYuM, Free Healing, semperfi1999, LIFE RIPPER, Cat Merc, Beren Hurin) (most to least) Notable Alliances: EON, RofL, and Negative Feedback make up about 35% of all posts. Quantitative Emotion Index : - Agreement score: Significantly controversial (62/100), - Emotional language score: Mostly hostile (86/100), - Analytical language score: hyperbolic and unsubstantiated (10/150) Yeahhh buddy we made it Zatara |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
429
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Posted - 2013.08.01 00:31:00 -
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mass drivers are OP... NERF THEM!
seriously.... too many rounds perclip and to high on splash dmg... and to much range... |
Heimdallr69
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
402
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Posted - 2013.08.01 00:34:00 -
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Add the rail gun and combat rifle...I want to skill them all the way up to..mainly the rail gun |
Thor McStrut
Reckoners
84
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Posted - 2013.08.01 00:38:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:mass drivers are OP... NERF THEM!
seriously.... too many rounds perclip and to high on splash dmg... and to much range...
Can you quantify too much range? What is too much? If I aim way up, way over everyones head and HUD tag, and lob a few shells down range, how is that a problem? The longest kill I've achieved is 118m.
The MD is a short to mid range weapon. It's not CQC. It's not a long range weapon. It should be effective from 10-150m. And kills at 100-150m are mostly blind luck unless the redberries are clustering up like fools. Then they deserve to die. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax.
3676
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Posted - 2013.08.01 00:46:00 -
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It needs proper splash damage drop off. It's just stupid that no matter how well I evade/how bad the person's aim is, I get the full damage. |
Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
99
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:04:00 -
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No way I am reading all this how many pages does it take for automatic nerf? |
McFurious
TeamPlayers EoN.
210
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:17:00 -
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QQ thread is full of tears and bad ideas.
Skill into EXO-5 (mass drivers level 3) and use it for at least a week then come back. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax.
3679
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:19:00 -
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McFurious wrote:QQ thread is full of tears and bad ideas.
Skill into EXO-5 (mass drivers level 3) and use it for at least a week then come back. It's awesome! I can miss someone by 5 meters and still do massive damage :D |
Aquinarius Zoltanus
0uter.Heaven EoN.
218
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:37:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote: It's awesome! I can miss someone by 5 meters and still do massive damage :D
That is NOT a miss, that is what is referred to as a hit with a mass driver. No one in the game is good enough to always score only direct hits with the mass driver, its just absolutely unreasonable to suggest that that's what would constitute 'skill' with the MD. The MD is not a point-and-click hitscan weapon, the projectiles are arced and slow moving, so splash damage is the only way you consistently damage people.
But why are we even still discussing in this thread? Skihids already posted a /thread worthy post back on page 3:
Skihids wrote:He is crying about it because he can't stand being killed by anything that he isn't using himself.
It's simple really. Some people don't have any tolerance for diversity. They won't be happy until they turn DUST into a1v1 dueling match so they can demonstrate their elite shooting skills.
They can't stand the thought of a messy battlefield where they may die because someone got the drop on them with a situational weapon. They rage whenever they die to anyone they don't consider as elite as themselves. They compensate by deriding anything other than their choice of weapon as "noob" weapon. That way they don't have to take responsibility for having died and their fragile ego can remain intact.
The sad thing is that they can actually be quite good shots. Skill doesn't necessarily factor into who is going to fall prey to this way of thinking. In their mind every battle should be an exactly even contest, mano a mano. If you shotgun them in the face or MD them from a roof you are lousy cheating scum who is using a noob weapon to win, because you certainly couldn't beat them if you were using their weapon (like a real man).
The only cure is to realize that DUST is modeling a messy battlefield with many different weapon systems that all have different strengths and weaknesses and if you die to one it doesn't necessarily mean you are "bad" or that your teammates should laugh at you. It shouldn't threaten your ego if you get popped by a shotgun to the face.
Just let the rage go and enjoy the diversity that is DUST.
That should be about it for this thread, we can all go home now. |
Heimdallr69
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
404
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:53:00 -
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Nope not till I get my answer on whether the rail rifle will be in 1.4 or not..ill keep posting till I get somewhat of an answer..need to know how long I need to save sp |
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McFurious
TeamPlayers EoN.
212
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Posted - 2013.08.01 06:01:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:McFurious wrote:QQ thread is full of tears and bad ideas.
Skill into EXO-5 (mass drivers level 3) and use it for at least a week then come back. It's awesome! I can miss someone by 5 meters and still do massive damage :D
Now actually go do it.
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SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
355
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Posted - 2013.08.01 06:02:00 -
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Let's get to the real point of this thread.
Do AR's really need more then 40 shots? |
Shattered Mirage
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
42
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Posted - 2013.08.01 06:58:00 -
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SoTah Pawp wrote:Let's get to the real point of this thread. Do AR's really need more then 40 shots?
Yup... cause 'em ******* don't know how to aim properly; spray 'n pay. |
Shattered Mirage
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
42
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Posted - 2013.08.01 07:00:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:They need 5 more chances .. just in case they miss the 1st time, or the 2nd time, or the 3rd, or 4th, or the 5th ...Is very hard to hit a target with Explosive grenade launcher... you know.
By that logic; why does the A.R. need 60 chances?
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Top Men.
1059
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Posted - 2013.08.01 07:06:00 -
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10/10 Regnum.
this is what a troll should look like. Well done indeed.
This is the first 10 on the Dust forums. only took a year. |
Its Leeroy Jennkins
murderers anonymous
6
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Posted - 2013.08.01 07:52:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:P14GU3 wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly,
Your aiming at people feet do you really need 6 shots?
Actually I am at peoples heads... it just lands at their feet. And this dead horse again? Really? The flaylock hasn't been dead a whole day and the AR users are screaming nerf again.. screaming what! who is screaming! At the end of the day bud, you're using a noob toob and aiming at peoples feet... with 6 shots
+Point's for the word bud -points for the words noob toob
Looks like you come out even, champ.
*EDIT* At shattered, I would say its more like 40-50 extra shots depending on the suit your shooting, I dont think i've ever been 1 shot, even by a proto ar |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3669
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Posted - 2013.08.01 08:03:00 -
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It's been 16 pages and nobody has brought in hard numbers to prove that the MD is OP? 16 pages of QQers complaining about a weapon but instead of anything numerical, they all talked about trees and flowers. CCP already based the first MD nerf off of it being popular in the office, buffed and buffed it back up slightly because they were wrong. If this 16 page circle jerk causes the MD to get nerfed by ignorant players that don't understand the concept of area denial, all these doomsdayers trolling the forums are right because CCP will be catering to the lowest common denominator.
You can all continue your QQ now, I just wanted to point that out. |
Spectral Clone
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
166
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Posted - 2013.08.01 08:47:00 -
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This is obviously a hit and run post by ragenum.
Stop posting in it.
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THE GREY CARDINAL
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
182
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:56:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:It's been 16 pages and nobody has brought in hard numbers to prove that the MD is OP? 16 pages of QQers complaining about a weapon but instead of anything numerical, they all talked about trees and flowers. CCP already based the first MD nerf off of it being popular in the office, buffed and buffed it back up slightly because they were wrong. If this 16 page circle jerk causes the MD to get nerfed by ignorant players that don't understand the concept of area denial, all these doomsdayers trolling the forums are right because CCP will be catering to the lowest common denominator.
You can all continue your QQ now, I just wanted to point that out.
This. So much ignorance in this thread regarding the MD. We seem to have many 'experts' with no field experience. I think if CCP had any intention of nerfing MD again, it would have happened with flaylock and contact nades...so I guess the petty QQing AR chumps are SOL.
P.S Mmmmmmm 5m splash damage.
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Cat Merc
BetaMax.
3716
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Posted - 2013.08.01 12:48:00 -
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McFurious wrote:Cat Merc wrote:McFurious wrote:QQ thread is full of tears and bad ideas.
Skill into EXO-5 (mass drivers level 3) and use it for at least a week then come back. It's awesome! I can miss someone by 5 meters and still do massive damage :D Now actually go do it. Already did, it's my new shotgun. |
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Cat Merc
BetaMax.
3716
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Posted - 2013.08.01 12:49:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:It's been 16 pages and nobody has brought in hard numbers to prove that the MD is OP? 16 pages of QQers complaining about a weapon but instead of anything numerical, they all talked about trees and flowers. CCP already based the first MD nerf off of it being popular in the office, buffed and buffed it back up slightly because they were wrong. If this 16 page circle jerk causes the MD to get nerfed by ignorant players that don't understand the concept of area denial, all these doomsdayers trolling the forums are right because CCP will be catering to the lowest common denominator.
You can all continue your QQ now, I just wanted to point that out. Because hard numbers isn't all. Can you really put a numerical value of how confusing being shot at with the mass driver is? How hard it is to aim through the puffs of smoke that keep appearing? |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3690
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:01:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Cosgar wrote:It's been 16 pages and nobody has brought in hard numbers to prove that the MD is OP? 16 pages of QQers complaining about a weapon but instead of anything numerical, they all talked about trees and flowers. CCP already based the first MD nerf off of it being popular in the office, buffed and buffed it back up slightly because they were wrong. If this 16 page circle jerk causes the MD to get nerfed by ignorant players that don't understand the concept of area denial, all these doomsdayers trolling the forums are right because CCP will be catering to the lowest common denominator.
You can all continue your QQ now, I just wanted to point that out. Because hard numbers isn't all. Can you really put a numerical value of how confusing being shot at with the mass driver is? How hard it is to aim through the puffs of smoke that keep appearing? Can you put a numerical value to not hiding behind cover when someone is lobbing slow moving grenades at you? How easy it is to make a tactical retreat to make a more indirect approach?
The problem is that the MD does something not many other weapons force you to do- change your strategy. Everyone wants to run around all willy-nilly in a conga line from objective to objective, mowing down everything in their path with their full auto plasma hoses. The MD forces you to go "Oh $h!t, I need to do something different!" But nobody wants to do anything different because they're used to running around on auto pilot. They hate the weapon because it forces them to play in a different way and they'll cry nerf until they won't have to. Everyone in this topic crying about a grenade launcher that works like a grenade launcher, trying to degrade its users, calling it a 6 round noob tube as a throwback to a balancing mechanic to CoD, it just shows that the MD is doing its job. Send me your hate, resentment, your fanmail... your anger only makes us massholes stronger because we're the game changer and will carry your ill will as a necessary burden.
PS: The explosion nerf in Black OPs 2 has actually made the real noob tube a viable, balanced weapon in grenadier loadouts. More any more players are calling it the pro pipe. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax.
3716
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:23:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Cosgar wrote:It's been 16 pages and nobody has brought in hard numbers to prove that the MD is OP? 16 pages of QQers complaining about a weapon but instead of anything numerical, they all talked about trees and flowers. CCP already based the first MD nerf off of it being popular in the office, buffed and buffed it back up slightly because they were wrong. If this 16 page circle jerk causes the MD to get nerfed by ignorant players that don't understand the concept of area denial, all these doomsdayers trolling the forums are right because CCP will be catering to the lowest common denominator.
You can all continue your QQ now, I just wanted to point that out. Because hard numbers isn't all. Can you really put a numerical value of how confusing being shot at with the mass driver is? How hard it is to aim through the puffs of smoke that keep appearing? Can you put a numerical value to not hiding behind cover when someone is lobbing slow moving grenades at you? How easy it is to make a tactical retreat to make a more indirect approach? The problem is that the MD does something not many other weapons force you to do- change your strategy. Everyone wants to run around all willy-nilly in a conga line from objective to objective, mowing down everything in their path with their full auto plasma hoses. The MD forces you to go "Oh $h!t, I need to do something different!" But nobody wants to do anything different because they're used to running around on auto pilot. They hate the weapon because it forces them to play in a different way and they'll cry nerf until they won't have to. Everyone in this topic crying about a grenade launcher that works like a grenade launcher, trying to degrade its users, calling it a 6 round noob tube as a throwback to a balancing mechanic to CoD, it just shows that the MD is doing its job. Send me your hate, resentment, your fanmail... your anger only makes us massholes stronger because we're the game changer and will carry your ill will as a necessary burden. PS: The explosion nerf in Black OPs 2 has actually made the real noob tube a viable, balanced weapon in grenadier loadouts. More any more players are calling it the pro pipe. Hard. 3 shots and I'm dead. Finding cover while being confused is harder than you think. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3690
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:27:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote: Hard. 3 shots and I'm dead. Finding cover while being confused is harder than you think.
I'm starting to think you just have ekriphobia. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
706
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:35:00 -
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Why skill into it up to lvl 3? I can mess all you kids up with it on lvl 1 easy.....why? Cause I dont even have to hit close to you to do dmg. And as a nade throwing master MD will be easymode.. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
781
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:41:00 -
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I know this was for MD , but so much anger being brought up over the AR in here also.
The AR is a great gun, fun to use.. but there are better weapons, weapons that require more SP investment to access.
How many people actually run around with duvolle AR compared to standard AR, advanced AR and blueprint AR?
The blueprint is handed out like candy with packages in different forms, very easy access. The Standard is unlocked at light weapon lvl 1 which only requires weaponry lvl 1? So for the investment it takes to get the gek-38, it only takes as much as it would to normally unlock standard of most other guns ( which have more specific roles, but excell in them ).
So , is it more on how easy the gun is to access vs the gun being so powerful that everyone and their uncle uses it?
The ASCR beats it hands down imo , but requires lvl 4 SCR in order to use it. The forge gun ohk anything, but requires more alot more skill investment to get into. Shotgun, very deadly at CQC but requires more skill to get into.
It would be interesting to see just how many actually use the duvolle, compared to just how many BPO, standard and gek AR kills we generate.
I think this might be playing a big role in the numbers we are seeing. what is it, 11 out of 14 users has an AR or some ****.. are those real numbers or asshat numbers.. no clue
something to think about and argue over, but I think this plays a huge part in it. not damage, not range, not accuracy.. people just feel it is OP, because they see so many in peoples hands.. I think this is why.
Hell it is why I started with an AR.. and since my starter fits all came with one... |
Cat Merc
BetaMax.
3716
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:49:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Cat Merc wrote: Hard. 3 shots and I'm dead. Finding cover while being confused is harder than you think.
I'm starting to think you just have ekriphobia. In an open field, sure, I know what to do, but in an enclosed complex, surrounded by tons of blueberries and grenades? It's one of the most confusing feelings in this game. Especially with the low frame rate.
You should try being in the recieveing end, get a Gallente dropsuit and run some matches, try to encounter a MD. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3692
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:56:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Cosgar wrote:Cat Merc wrote: Hard. 3 shots and I'm dead. Finding cover while being confused is harder than you think.
I'm starting to think you just have ekriphobia. In an open field, sure, I know what to do, but in an enclosed complex, surrounded by tons of blueberries and grenades? It's one of the most confusing feelings in this game. Especially with the low frame rate. You should try being in the recieveing end, get a Gallente dropsuit and run some matches, try to encounter a MD. I'll do you one better, I have a Gallente scout alt with a TAC AR and nova knives. When I see a MD kill on the feed on CQC maps, I pay attention and listen out for explosions while looking for common camping spots while pacing myself. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
362
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:57:00 -
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Mass Drivers are popular, not OP. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1065
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:59:00 -
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My biggest gripe with the mass driver is that it messes with your aiming on impact.
So if a mass driver guy gets the first shot off it is very easy for him to land every followup shot, but almost impossible for the opponent to recover his tracking as it becomes dislodged on every shot. Seems kind of silly. |
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