You know, you can always change up your strategy. Don't engage a MD head on if they have a height advantage, count the rounds and rush them when they reload, use a TAC AR to wreck them at a range, try to get a height advantage, don't hide in the corner... all these different tactics are viable and fun because the MD for forces you to do something different than goin full Rambo with your 60 round plasma hose that's still the best all around weapon in the game. Seriously, I put the MD down to appease a QQer in my squad, complaining that I didn't deserve my "cheap" kills and pulled out an Exile with 0 sp. Did you know these things are hit scan, have almost 0 recoil and nonexistent dispersion? I barely had to ADS because it was so easy. Only thing I couldn't go toe-to-toe with were Duvolles inside 40m. Only noob tube I see in dust has 60 rounds in the clip. ****ing easy mode if you ask me...

Probably because there's 4500 players on average and I don't play when I'm capped. Hope you're not trying to use not seeing me as leverage in in argument because its pretty sad.

If it killed in 1 hit I would agree with you but usually it takes more than a whole clip before I die so either you strictly run a mlt gal light frame how do you die in 1 hit?

AR actually did have a noob tube in earlier tech demos, back when there were only 2 character models and one map.

MD needs a clip size of one. That'll sort the issue.

MD:
1. Obscures your vision
2. Makes you flinch
3. Drops frame rate


Can't do **** like that.

If it adds flinch, can you catch it on camera and report it. That's not a feature the MD should have.

I am going to trust that CCP did not make changes to the flay lock pistol simply because everyone whined on the forums about how overpowered it was. I choose to believe that they listened to the community but also looked closely at hard data about kills and trends with damage distribution

And I will additionally hope and believe that CCP would use this method every time the whiney nerf begging vanilla loving horde comes a calling, Regnum.

And I expect that, when the actual data is reviewed, CCP will not see the kind of effectiveness at producing kills with mass drivers that they saw with flay locks. If that is not the case, if every time Regnum sees a mass driver in dust he dies...or whatever sky it is you are currently screaming about falling....then a nerf may be in order.

But I would like to see some data in addition to your whining dissatisfaction.

explosives just need a whole rework in this game.

Sure you can nerf flaylocks/mass drivers/nades into the ground so they aren't viable but in general explosives are not working like they should.

Most importantly we need better damage fall off throughout the blast radius. I don't know how it works now but we need damage falloff for explosives fit a fairly narrow gaussian distribution, and then tweak the maximum blast radius and peak damage on all explosives to compensate.

There should be no distinction between direct damage and splash on explosives.. just peak damage which happens at 0m from blast and then fall off as you move out of the range.

This is a big problem with flux nades too.

It's been 16 pages and nobody has brought in hard numbers to prove that the MD is OP? 16 pages of QQers complaining about a weapon but instead of anything numerical, they all talked about trees and flowers. CCP already based the first MD nerf off of it being popular in the office, buffed and buffed it back up slightly because they were wrong. If this 16 page circle jerk causes the MD to get nerfed by ignorant players that don't understand the concept of area denial, all these doomsdayers trolling the forums are right because CCP will be catering to the lowest common denominator.

You can all continue your QQ now, I just wanted to point that out.

I'm starting to think you just have ekriphobia.

If the MD was going to get nerfed, wouldn't have been included with the flaylock and contact grenades in that devblog about explosives? Also, did you see that chart? CCP doesn't base nerfs on 20 page QQ fests, they like to use stuff like numbers, equations, and charts.

But does under a 100 dmg and thats 30% to shields so 58 dmg per shot unless they are using mods which still wont get it up to a 100.

If you get through shields then 108 dmg to armor per shot.

AR - 34 dmg per bullet - 10 bullets out of a 48 clip - 374 dmg to shields

If I'm doing it wrong let me know (no troll).

The assault MD with the +25% bonus gets a 8+ meter radius (if I remember my calculations correctly).

Actually since I was asked I checked and redid my calculations...I was right its over 8 but better yet it gets a 9 meter radius

http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Mass_Driver

people use assault MD o.0

must be why I thought that number was high lol, only ever used the standards.. if I was even thinking of using another variant it would be the breach. which I am slowly trying to train myself to use.. each time I pull out the ol MD I get a few more red hit registers than I do in the games before Once I can get myself to be able to launch a direct hit 3/4 times.. people will be saying a lot more than nerf splash hehe.