But in answer to your question, yes, yes it is. Tanks are awful offensively unless supported by a squad, because AV will ambush and take them out easily. When playing offensively without a squad, the tank will need to keep moving, unless it wants to be hit by a lot of concentrated AV. Not good for offensive play, since usually you want to hold the ground you take. Even defensively they need a squad, for the same reason.

Frankly, if you can't be bothered coming up with a decent, logical argument to my post, then you have no case.

Nonsense. Complete nonsense. Like, do you even play this game? A heavy is basically a stationary turret with the health of a dropsuit and a half.

There is nowhere that a heavy is the best option. No. Where. It doesn't exist.

lol

My point was tanks have 2 very capable roles, attack and defend, while the Heavy, which you described as being a walking HAV has 1. Now you're just confusing yourself.

So where's your logic?

You're still forcing the heavy into 1 roll, while the HAV can do both well enough.

Nonsense. Complete nonsense. Like, do you even play this game? A heavy is basically a stationary turret with the health of a dropsuit and a half.

There is nowhere that a heavy is the best option. No. Where. It doesn't exist.

lol

My point was tanks have 2 very capable roles, attack and defend, while the Heavy, which you described as being a walking HAV has 1. Now you're just confusing yourself.

So where's your logic?

You're still forcing the heavy into 1 roll, while the HAV can do both well enough.

Yet people are doing what you claim is impossible and using them successfully. How do you account for that? A random collection of accidents?

Again, I'm not *forcing* the heavy into a role. That IS it's role. I also never said that the heavy was BEST at any particular role, but that the role it's best at is defense, be it AP or AV defense. There's a difference. It's like saying option A is best across the board, scoring 90% in categories 1, 2 and 3, but option B scores best in category 3, with 89%, whereas it scores 50% in the other two.

If you want to play heavy, then do so, but don't force it into a role it's not suited to e.g. assault.

At the current time, assaults can take the place of the heavy in a defensive role, but that's simply because of the TAR, not because of any fault on the HMG's part.



Read above.

Again, I'm not *forcing* the heavy into a role. That IS its role. I also never said that the heavy was BEST at any particular role, but that the role it's best at is defense, be it AP or AV defense. There's a difference. It's like saying option A is best across the board, scoring 90% in categories 1, 2 and 3, but option B scores best in category 3, with 89%, whereas it scores 50% in the other two.

If you want to play heavy, then do so, but don't force it into a role it's not suited to e.g. assault.

At the current time, assaults can take the place of the heavy in a defensive role, but that's simply because of the TAR, not because of any fault on the HMG's part.

They only took from the heavy. I don't know anything they actually gave the heavy suit. Thanks CCP!

5% reduction in bullet spread bro!

The heavy doesn't have much spread as is. The accuracy has always been good, at least I thought so. Some might even complain that the reduced spread is a negative as well. I personally never noticed an issue with too much bullet spread but I'm only one person. Perhaps others did.

WAT WAT WAT WAT WTA OMG AREUFRIGASDDLKJHD:IIHSADOPIHSADIUH!!!!

Seriously, Bro?

The heavy doesn't have much spread as is. The accuracy has always been good, at least I thought so. Some might even complain that the reduced spread is a negative as well. I personally never noticed an issue with too much bullet spread but I'm only one person. Perhaps others did.

still waiting for a link to where a dev says the hmg ( not the sentinel suit) is a defensive weapon.

Considering it's one of 2 weapons that are exclusive to that suit and the fact that the role was brought up by CCP while discussing HMG balance I'd say demanding a direct statement is at this point being a bit purposefully obtuse.

Considering it's one of 2 weapons that are exclusive to that suit and the fact that the role was brought up by CCP while discussing HMG balance I'd say demanding a direct statement is at this point being a bit purposefully obtuse.

163 kills 0.65 kd . who's alt are you prome. or are you just a noob. still waiting on that link

With crap for range and crap for accuracy it's supposed to be a mid to mainly close range weapon right?

In a game where any given map is at least 80-90% open field where any other weapon with better range and accuracy can simply shred you before they're even in your range?

Add in the fact that thanks to pitiful per shot damage you're expected to keep a lock on enemies who thanks to horrible movement mechanics can jerk back and forth bouncing off the walls ensuring that you can't even drop their shields as they drop grenades on you?

I always see people saying "Well you have to play defensively!" How exactly? Hide behind that one stack of crates over by the objective? Stick with other players where the slow moving guy that can't fire back yet totally isn't the easy target?

As I've played I haven't seen that many HMG users, I'd always figured it was people shying away from the extra investments needed to unlock heavy armors and weapons, but it's more because anyone that gets tricked into believing there's any actual balance in this game sadly goes back to using an assault rifle build and eats the lost SP isn't it?

well he didn't say heavies were designed , he said sentinels . while the thread he mentioned it in was an hmg thread people were also complaining about lack of high slots, massdrivers and other things. he also in that thread talked of increased falloff damage as being a solution to the heavies weakness before they increased the damage by aprx. 6 points. so yes i would like them to specifically state that the hmg is defensive. if only so i can then get them to explain the difference between an offensive and defensive weapon. for if im defending objective X, and it has a hallway or door that makes the hmg especially useful. then when im attacking objective X it has a hallway or door (or whatever layout) that is that useful. the terrain is the same the only difference is what color the objective is.
at least now with the new patch i just downloaded the hit detection got sooooo much better.

I'm no ones alt. You yourself can see I play the game on this character if you are looking at my stats. I'm not a noob, I'm just terrible at shooters, run militia level gear and I'm not afraid to run through a hell of bullets to try to take an objective. My KD will always be poor.

19309 wp . if your not an alt and youve only earned 20k in wp, thats pretty nob . still waiting for link

Edit: After some searching here is a post from CCP on the subject addressing people's complaints about the HMG while referencing the heavy AND point defense.

Give us more suits. Give me my B-Series back. Give heavies who don't use HMG's the Atlas suit. Give our turning speed back. Give our assault and defence role back. God give me patience.