Your so wrong if you stand still spray and dont aim you will not hit anything you have yo burts fire andstraff being aheavy is harder then any other because you are so slow

You can you please rephrase this a manner that actually makes sense?

.... what? HMG has more range then AR?

Lol? You're drunk go home.

Why is that plural? They have 1 high

You're so wrong if you stand still spray and dont aim you will not hit anything. you have to burst fire and strafe. Being a heavy is harder then any other because you are so slow

Fixed that

You want to use the bad heavy suit

... Looking at the racial bonuses.... yes, yes I do

This thread says your drunk

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40886&find=unread

Duvolle Assault Rifle
Max Range: 71m (-16)
Optimal Range: 1 - 42m (+3)
Meta: 8

Boundless HMG
Max Range: 54m (-11)
Optimal Range: 1-33m (-5)
Meta: 8

go spec hmg and then talk, AR outranges us

So you are a master with it even though you havent specced it? Obviously its not easiest thing in the game to use or everyone would be using it. And what do kills have to do with my comment? pretty sure I never said anything about kills, I do just fine. You must have been on the business end one too many times and are butthurt about it.

Heavy Machine Guns are not CQC weapons. Thats what SMGs are for.

Heavy machine gun definition: The heavy machine gun or HMG is a larger class of machine gun generally recognized to refer to two separate stages of machine gun development. The term was originally used to refer to the generation of machine guns which came into widespread use in World War I. These fired standard rifle cartridges such as the 7.92 Mauser, .303 British or 7.62+ù54mmR, but featured heavy construction, elaborate mountings, and water-cooling mechanisms that enabled long-range sustained automatic fire with excellent accuracy.

SubMachinegun Definition: A submachine gun (SMG) is an automatic carbine, designed to fire pistol cartridges.[1] It combines the automatic fire of a machine gun with the cartridge of a pistol and have poor accuracy past 50m.

"hey this the future don't compare Dust to modern day"... Unless we aren't using english in DUST it applies. These are definitions not comparisons. This is what it is to be in these category of weapon. As it stands the HMG is just a SMG with a big clip...

Also you're not your (of course this could mean you don't understand english...in which case quit skipping summer school to play)

^^just to add to this, the LMG of WWII to present fires standrd AR rounds at higher velocity and is pretty much just as accurate, and is used for supression on a squad level.

modern HMGs fire larger rounds and can sustain fire for hours. many of them can saw walls in half....lol


the HMG in dust obviously doesn't do the job of the modern HMG, or even the modern LMG. since DUST takes place in the future why does it do so little damage? shouldnt the future be better than the past? lol according to the above definitions the HMG should at the vaery least be doing AR damage. but for the sake of balance i would accept the SMG damage per shot. right now the HMG does less damage per shot that every other gun in the game... seriously the AHMG does 5%-10% more DPS than a milita SMG. WTF

something must change.

flaylocks aren't a problem at all in fact they should have their splash radius buffed alittle. the flaylock is doing what it was designed to do.
LAV are a problem because not enough ppl are running AV nades. some packed AV nades can destroy most LAVs (exept the logi ones. they are a problem.)

the problem is the heavy suit itself and the pitiful proformance of the HMG. A logi is supposed to enhance the heavis not fill the holes in all his weaknesses.

i've seen logis be just as effective running around with assaults, or worse caldari logis running around with just as much ehp as heavies and out damaging the heavy with GEKs

CQC is not for the heavy we have low damage, low turn speed, and long reload.


the HMG and AR should have pretty much equal range, and the HMG should do damage starting from 25 damage going up to and maxing at 31 damage per shot.
b the high dispersion, recoil, and initial inaccuracy of the HMG plus its higher damage fall off balances it out
therefore, your AR in an open field must actually aim and hit the heavy, likewise the heavy must aim, control recoil, and sacrifice a lot of bullets through dispersion to hit the agile AR user at that long range. this requires skill

^^but i dnt care about them. im not nerfing their duvoules, GEKs or any of their guns. i just want my gun to be able to do what its supposed to.

25 damage per shot, for the STD HMG
28 damage per shot ADV HMG
31 damage per shot PROTO HMG

this is what an HMG should do.

^^besides me, you ad the 10 or so other heavies on this thread, ask yourself who uses the HMG? now out of the 10+ people who use it on this thread who uses it without damage mods?


all the heavies i ever play in matches uses either ishikune assault forguns, OR assault rifles. why do you think that is so?
why have so many people completely abandoned the HMG? its almost as rare as finding a laser or mass driver thse days.


i have countless time explained how inferior the HMG is to the AR. i refuse to write it again. if you have been reading these posts and threads carefully, you would never have posted this^^.

^^besides me, you ad the 10 or so other heavies on this thread, ask yourself who uses the HMG? now out of the 10+ people who use it on this thread who uses it without damage mods?


all the heavies i ever play in matches uses either ishikune assault forguns, OR assault rifles. why do you think that is so?
why have so many people completely abandoned the HMG? its almost as rare as finding a laser or mass driver thse days.


i have countless time explained how inferior the HMG is to the AR. i refuse to write it again. if you have been reading these posts and threads carefully, you would never have posted this^^.

Im shotgunner, never see something more easy than killing an AR fatty, the one who killing me more than anything is a good HMG user,

no you normally die because you run directly at the heavy guy in a cheap @$$ suit. if you shield tanked some you could still charge a heavy and win. i have done it. and with a freaking dren shotgun, and no SP into shotguns i can run around in a free suit and pwn heavies.

^^you haven't the slightest idea what your talking about. i have consistently encoutered the problems i have been talking about. and i have made several threads on the subject. i have posted on the subject several times and plenty of pro heavies such as myself ahve agreed with me.

if you have a problem present some numbers. because right now your really just trolling. your insulting me without evidence to back up what you say.

So you are a master with it even though you havent specced it? Obviously its not easiest thing in the game to use or everyone would be using it. And what do kills have to do with my comment? pretty sure I never said anything about kills, I do just fine. You must have been on the business end one too many times and are butthurt about it.

Heavy Machine Guns are not CQC weapons. Thats what SMGs are for.

Heavy machine gun definition: The heavy machine gun or HMG is a larger class of machine gun generally recognized to refer to two separate stages of machine gun development. The term was originally used to refer to the generation of machine guns which came into widespread use in World War I. These fired standard rifle cartridges such as the 7.92 Mauser, .303 British or 7.62+ù54mmR, but featured heavy construction, elaborate mountings, and water-cooling mechanisms that enabled long-range sustained automatic fire with excellent accuracy.

SubMachinegun Definition: A submachine gun (SMG) is an automatic carbine, designed to fire pistol cartridges.[1] It combines the automatic fire of a machine gun with the cartridge of a pistol and have poor accuracy past 50m.

"hey this the future don't compare Dust to modern day"... Unless we aren't using english in DUST it applies. These are definitions not comparisons. This is what it is to be in these category of weapon. As it stands the HMG is just a SMG with a big clip...

Also you're not your (of course this could mean you don't understand english...in which case quit skipping summer school to play)

Yes, I can run around with just nova knives and out kill the majority of this player base.

HMG is easy, more health, more ammo, I don't have to use ADS or Terrible sights.

The only thing I would want is 1 equipment slot.

I'd pwn every heavy in this thread btw. ;)