you ignored myn as well because I said a million times that ccp on july 2nd is increasing range of all guns stop being ignorant and clouding up the forums go to new on dust 514 right now and read the dev report and just stfu please

+1

People who use HMGs these days often do so poorly.

HMG is a defensive weapon.

You take your heavy suit and you move in once an objective is taken and guard it with your life.

Notice it fires the 5.56mm round (smaller bullet = less damage) oh yea our AR fires plasma rounds
Notice the sustained RPM (rate it is commonly used to be the most effective in combat) 15 RPM ok cry some? Cyclic RPM (weapons fastest mechanical ability) (spray n pray shooting) 950 RPM Effective range 550m point Target (accurate shooting) 800m area target (innacurate used for area denial)

So is balance off between these types of weapons in DUST 514?...well you tell me!

this sounds impressive. i would like to see any vids of this, if you have any that is.
im not calling you out or anything, im just saying going a whole day in dust 514 without dying is worthy of highlighting.

They are removing the hard range cap. Not increasing range. They are doing this on all weapons, so the HMG will be equally effective at doing its job as it is now.

They are not giving the HMG more range than the AR. They are introducing damage falloff. This means when bullets reach the max range they will begin doing less and less damage as they travel.

Currently when rounds from the HMG reach their max range they are only doing a laughable amount of damage because of dispersion.

Adding damage falloff does absolutely nothing to solve this problem. Increasing the max range qnd optimal range for the HMG to a value greater than that of the AR would completely solve the problem!

So GTFO n go reread the patch notes and DEV blogs n00b! Grown folks are talkin here!

This... tried to say this already but i go from experiance not numbers lol.

(numbers are out of the air)
35% dispertion might be right... but that isnt a direct reduction in dps! If i put the barrels of my gun and plant them on someones face dispertion means squat... if i then move back a meter im still hitting for full... 10m sure, i might get the odd stray bullet... 20m, i might start losing some dps... 30m, missing more... 40m now theres some notable loss...

but never have i lost 35% of my dps... not until theyre out past my optimal and my recitle is twice the size of the target anyway lol and of course that reduces after firing a bit... more if i aim down the "sights"

lol im just amusing my self at this point

With crap for range and crap for accuracy it's supposed to be a mid to mainly close range weapon right?

In a game where any given map is at least 80-90% open field where any other weapon with better range and accuracy can simply shred you before they're even in your range?

Add in the fact that thanks to pitiful per shot damage you're expected to keep a lock on enemies who thanks to horrible movement mechanics can jerk back and forth bouncing off the walls ensuring that you can't even drop their shields as they drop grenades on you?

I always see people saying "Well you have to play defensively!" How exactly? Hide behind that one stack of crates over by the objective? Stick with other players where the slow moving guy that can't fire back yet totally isn't the easy target?

As I've played I haven't seen that many HMG users, I'd always figured it was people shying away from the extra investments needed to unlock heavy armors and weapons, but it's more because anyone that gets tricked into believing there's any actual balance in this game sadly goes back to using an assault rifle build and eats the lost SP isn't it?

I may just like to argue...

I hope you are defending my point because yes the balance is off. Range and Damage should be higher than an AR by your methodology. (Also minigun is classified as a small arms weapon ie LMG not HMG looking up the FM now)

Edit: Here ya go small arms defined as: Any gun below a 20-millimeter bore size is generally classified as a small arm. An alternative term gaining increasing currency is "light arms," to include individual and light support weapons.

2nd edit: I think HMG damage is fine just needs range

So our HMG should really be a light weapon if it mimics a minigun?

No I'm not saying that at all. The only reason it is classified as a light infantry weapon irl is because of the round it fires. The only reason it uses this round is for logistics purposes. Which means there are less types of ammo to haul around. Typically you find this weapon used in mounted applications as an area denial/crowd control weapon. You find in mounted in bunkers, outposts, humvees and Helos otherwise it typically takes 2 to 3 troops on foot to transport the gun itself, the ammunition, and the external powersource required to operate it. This makes it impractical for smaller scale military operations limited to only light infantry. Typically this weapon is brought into battlegrounds by vehicle and set up only after infantry has cleared the area. The reason it classifies as a heavy weapon in DUST 514 is because it becomes single man portable when combined with the Heavy Class Dropsuits.

TL;DR the size of the weapon itself, not the size of fire ammo is what makes it a "heavy weapon"

I'll buy that but our range and damage should still be greater than an AR then

At the very least our HMG should be 20% more than that of the AR. Our damage should be between the AR and the SMG.

Trust me guys you're arguing with a brick wall here. Go back through the page's.

Yeah. My biggest goal is to not have poorly informed and potentially balance-damaging opinions fly without comment.

Bad ideas spread pretty quick if they aren't checked.

Q: "What exactly is the purpose/point of the HMG?"

A: Speed bumps

Trust me guys you're arguing with a brick wall here. Go back through the page's.

The new update promises some strange concept of range damage - so I'm hoping that's our fix. If not - you'll see me in full rage again. Enjoy ;)

What we need.. Is variable ammo types.

Standardize STD/ADV/PRO versions with flat increases in certain areas(ammo storage, Rounds per Min, Heat generation, Etc), and just give me different ammo types. Projectiles in EVE have great potential in terms of damage dealing, with each doing certain percentages of Kinetic damage. Instead of a flat range, and 130/70 Armor/Shield damage, let me choose what's best for a situation.

If I'm faced by a bunch of shield tankers, give me an ammo with an anti-shield component(like EMP). Or, give me the option to fire a mixed group of ammo. Hell, right now i'll gladly take ammo belts with 1 in 5 doing a 70/130 damage type(I.e. scrambler). Or let me carry different belts of ammo, which I can purchase ahead of the battle and chose to swap between. That'd be pretty sweet.

I.. Forgot where I was going with this..

Ammos with longer range but less damage and vice versa that you can switch out on the fly. Yes please!!!