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Mike Poole
Kirkinen Risk Control
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Posted - 2013.05.19 16:02:00 -
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With crap for range and crap for accuracy it's supposed to be a mid to mainly close range weapon right?
In a game where any given map is at least 80-90% open field where any other weapon with better range and accuracy can simply shred you before they're even in your range?
Add in the fact that thanks to pitiful per shot damage you're expected to keep a lock on enemies who thanks to horrible movement mechanics can jerk back and forth bouncing off the walls ensuring that you can't even drop their shields as they drop grenades on you?
I always see people saying "Well you have to play defensively!" How exactly? Hide behind that one stack of crates over by the objective? Stick with other players where the slow moving guy that can't fire back yet totally isn't the easy target?
As I've played I haven't seen that many HMG users, I'd always figured it was people shying away from the extra investments needed to unlock heavy armors and weapons, but it's more because anyone that gets tricked into believing there's any actual balance in this game sadly goes back to using an assault rifle build and eats the lost SP isn't it? |
Mike Poole
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.19 16:58:00 -
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Laheon wrote:
I didn't mention tanks...? I said installation. From halfway across the map. I got behind cover, and despite being in a pretty limited area, managed to defend C for a few minutes.
I'll tell a class how to play until people who play that class actually understand that the heavy is a defensive tool. Anyone looking at the slow speed can tell you that. Heavies just can't cross ground quickly enough to get between cover and can't run up quickly enough to apply DPS consistently.
Assaults and scouts are much better at assaulting positions than heavies. Heavies simply don't have the speed to assault. Got it yet? CCP has gone on record as saying this is the heavy's role, what it has been designed for.
Heavy armor is ultimately only slightly better for defense than any other armor though.
Without any additional damage resistance the additional armor and shields a heavy has is easily shredded by weapons with 400+ dps, not to forget that the extra armor is ultimately useless unless you're loaded with armor repair modules or have someone to repair you.
Toss in the fact that few if any defendable points are even slightly secure and are usually open to attack in all but one direction easily leaving you open to ambush by any enemy with half a brain and the fact that your slow moving butt hiding behind a wall is practically screaming grenade magnet.
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Mike Poole
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.19 21:10:00 -
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Mr Sprinklez wrote:I haven't been playing for long, but if any of you have seen me with my HMG, you know this thread is a load of bull. The HMG is powerful to anyone who can become accustomed to its range, anyone that says otherwise spends too much time with a TAC and wants everything to be an Iwin button.
The only time the HMG is powerful is if you're up against someone that doesn't know how easy you are to counter.
The weapon's damage is dependent on sustained fire and weakened by distance. Anyone that knows what they're doing is going to put as much distance as they can and use cover to kill your damage.
Unless you're able to catch someone entirely by surprise you're either going to be outpaced or out maneuvered by more mobile dropsuits.
No one is asking for an "I win button" here but when a lone HMG user runs into a lone scout/assault you would expect that the one with the theoretically superior defense and firepower should win out but you don't end up with that because the increased mobility coupled with crappy hit detection and overall spastic movement hands the advantage to the scout/assault nine times out of ten. |
Mike Poole
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.19 21:21:00 -
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Blammmo wrote:
Your doing it wrong...
You seem to be posting wrong, usually a comment like that is followed by content... opinions... facts... anything at all really to provide something other than an as of yet undeserved feeling of condescension.
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Mike Poole
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.24 02:39:00 -
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Promethius Franklin wrote:Edit: After some searching here is a post from CCP on the subject addressing people's complaints about the HMG while referencing the heavy AND point defense.
The problem with CCP's idealized vision of how a Heavy with a HMG should operate is it's based on a fantasy world they've yet to develop.
There are a relative handful of narrow areas where targets are confined to narrow spaces where they believe the HMG should find it's niche and fewer still that actually have an objective or actual strategic advantage that can't be surpassed by going around or sniping from out of the HMG's range.
Long range weapons with high accuracy rule in this game and you can't expect a weapon with something like 2/3 the range of other weapons at best and a huge dispersion to accomplish much. |
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