Honestly I'm cool with heavies being point defense.

Honestly I don't think they are.

Heavies HMGs are simply not as powerful as ARs at any range. The HMG accuracy is still a real problem imo.

Hmg is fine it need that hard stop dmg to increase and the turn speed is a lil to slow thats it dmg and everythibgis good

Honestly I'm cool with heavies being point defense.

Honestly I don't think they are.

Heavies HMGs are simply not as powerful as ARs at any range. The HMG accuracy is still a real problem imo.

yeah in general range is the only complaint by a lot of the heavy community it seems too bad (as someone else pointed out to me) CCp doesnt respond to the heavy community and hasnt since the damage/range fiasco at release

EDIT: 2013.05.15 09:13 CCP remnant posted in https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=768636#post768636 is the latest response i could find in reference to the heavy or hmg from someone who actually "devs" the issue and is not about the lolmando

Fully tightened, the HMG is actually too accurate. As in the circle you see? Thats not where the bullets are going. The tiny dot in the center is.

Which means if you are spraying, you'll hit nothing. You need to absolutely hold the dot on the enemy the whole time to do damage. Like a laser rifle that has kickback. Except of course, when you're moving, then the bullets fly wherever the hell they damn well please.

What might actually help in CQC would be if the HMG had an overall wider spread, lower RoF and higher damage per shot. You could afford to have **** accuracy in that case and just spray. Be guaranteed to hit something.

Judging from my experience actual accuracy only effects CQC. If you care to go back a couple pages and read my posts you will see why HMGs are not meant for CQC. HMGs should be the absolute best area denial weapon in the game.

As i stated earlier the HMG values for maximum and effective range need to be increased to 20% more than the AR. Our damage should be increased to somewhere between the SMG and AR. It should probably stay closer to the SMG maybe 1 point more. I'll also add that the time it takes to spin up should be slightly reduced. As it stands now we are 1/4 of the way through 1 reload by the time we have enough accuracy to be effective. By this time 1/3 of our HP is usually gone and we haven't killed anyone yet.

At least that usually my experience.

@ Sofa
I have only played 1 PC battle, and it was way to laggy to judge HMG performance. I don't feel like this totally disqualified me from judging what the HMG really needs as long as I remain humble about it, and try to apply some (un)common sense.

I do see your point though. Pubs are full of randoms running around haphazardly like this is a twitch shooter.

Hmg is fine it need that hard stop dmg to increase and the turn speed is a lil to slow thats it dmg and everythibgis good

way to long to burn through shields, and since everyone shield tanks you end up losing or being crippled in 1v1s and since this is a supressive fire weapon, its kinda pitiful not being able to supress one person

Flux grenades work really, really nice with HMG. Especially if you have 2-3 reds clustered together.

Just a friendly tip.

it takes way to long to burn through shields, and since everyone shield tanks you end up losing or being crippled in 1v1s and since this is a supressive fire weapon, its kinda pitiful not being able to supress one person

With crap for range and crap for accuracy it's supposed to be a mid to mainly close range weapon right?

In a game where any given map is at least 80-90% open field where any other weapon with better range and accuracy can simply shred you before they're even in your range?

Add in the fact that thanks to pitiful per shot damage you're expected to keep a lock on enemies who thanks to horrible movement mechanics can jerk back and forth bouncing off the walls ensuring that you can't even drop their shields as they drop grenades on you?

I always see people saying "Well you have to play defensively!" How exactly? Hide behind that one stack of crates over by the objective? Stick with other players where the slow moving guy that can't fire back yet totally isn't the easy target?

As I've played I haven't seen that many HMG users, I'd always figured it was people shying away from the extra investments needed to unlock heavy armors and weapons, but it's more because anyone that gets tricked into believing there's any actual balance in this game sadly goes back to using an assault rifle build and eats the lost SP isn't it?

Damage mods or Flux

I went full Minmatar assault with twin SMGs- I know I'm still a masochist, but most important of all, I have yet to lose a one on one face to face battle with an HMG heavy of any shape or size - even killed a few getting logibro'd.

HMG is pathetic. End of story.

hmg is probably the best weapon in the game

hmg is probably the best weapon in the game

Must of been some bad heavies.

And with that corp tag it's hard to take you seriously lol

Damage mods or Flux

It's hard to take you seriously with the hentai blaring in the background.

It isfor cqc but it should be

Why is that plural? They have 1 high

There is CQC and sniping at the moment, there is no mid range game and hmg has more distance then the AR's

There is CQC and sniping at the moment, there is no mid range game and hmg has more distance then the AR's

This thread says your drunk

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40886&find=unread

Duvolle Assault Rifle
Max Range: 71m (-16)
Optimal Range: 1 - 42m (+3)
Meta: 8

Boundless HMG
Max Range: 54m (-11)
Optimal Range: 1-33m (-5)
Meta: 8

Flux grenades work really, really nice with HMG. Especially if you have 2-3 reds clustered together.

Just a friendly tip.