This is a gamebreaking turret on tanks. It promotes camping like a little b**** (cough* chaos mistress and 0tryhard514* cough)and sniping any tanks willing to put up resistance. Railgun tanks do way to much damage for the little risk they take, and can 1 shot basically anything. Large Railgun 80 GJ or whatever can 3 shot most enemy tanks.

This is the one turret that is killing tank on tank combat. Please drastically change it.

Sounds like a scrub tank driver got owned, UA ready to CB us yet or do you still have your dodging skills maxed???????????

This is a gamebreaking turret on tanks. It promotes camping like a little b**** (cough* chaos mistress and 0tryhard514* cough)and sniping any tanks willing to put up resistance. Railgun tanks do way to much damage for the little risk they take, and can 1 shot basically anything. Large Railgun 80 GJ or whatever can 3 shot most enemy tanks.

This is the one turret that is killing tank on tank combat. Please drastically change it.

Are you kidding me?

First everyone complains and nerfs missiles into the ground and now you want to make blaster the only effective turrent?

Seriously some of the guy on this forum need to HTFU, not get caught up in this mysterious component of games called "fairness" or "honour" and understand that even if a gun can three shot a tank it comes with significan weaknesses....

Like slow rotation speed and poor CQC targeting.....
Oh and did I mention tanks are so flimsy its ridiculous?

Are you kidding me?

First everyone complains and nerfs missiles into the ground and now you want to make blaster the only effective turrent?

Seriously some of the guy on this forum need to HTFU, not get caught up in this mysterious component of games called "fairness" or "honour" and understand that even if a gun can three shot a tank it comes with significan weaknesses....

Like slow rotation speed and poor CQC targeting.....
Oh and did I mention tanks are so flimsy its ridiculous?

Sounds like a scrub tank driver got owned, UA ready to CB us yet or do you still have your dodging skills maxed???????????

Some of us specd into AV tanks, so keep driving your pubstomper

But railgun is the closest thing we have that looks like a true main cannon for a tank!!!! It's awesome!!!!!

First off, get your facts straight, and read. I don't care about tanks vs infantry, it's tank on tank that is a problem because of railguns.

But railguns are an anti-vehicle weapon, of course they're going to dominate in tank vs tank.
as robert said this is a case of scissors complaining about rock

Want to make it like a true cannon? Add drop distance, distance based damage, and an ammunition count.

Problem isnt the railgun its the broken dmg mods giving out insane dmg bonuses
2 shottin and 3 shottin a well fitted tank is just boring

before CCP broke dmg mods rail fights were the best thing for a tanker now its not really that exciting at least for me hence my swap to blasters

The rail turret itself is fine its more the dmg mods and all the passive dmg skills stackin up on the turret that makes tank fights end too fast or end up in a stalemate

This is a gamebreaking turret on tanks. It promotes camping like a little b**** (cough* chaos mistress and 0tryhard514* cough)and sniping any tanks willing to put up resistance. Railgun tanks do way to much damage for the little risk they take, and can 1 shot basically anything. Large Railgun 80 GJ or whatever can 3 shot most enemy tanks.

This is the one turret that is killing tank on tank combat. Please drastically change it.

I didn't know that scissors could do about 3k damage in one shot.

I didn't know that scissors could do about 3k damage in one shot.

But railgun is the closest thing we have that looks like a true main cannon for a tank!!!! It's awesome!!!!!

Err.......I'm not sure how to respond to this....

Railguns are MEANT to be anti-vehicle and destroy things in a couple or one shot. Infantry are harder to hit with though.

Blasters on the other hand are meant to be purely anti-infantry but suck at dealing with heavy vehicles or ships.

Just take a look at the forge gun. That thing is a beast on vehicles and installations. Because that's its primary use.

EDIT: Oh, you meant the damage mods. That's a separate issue.

Want to make it like a true cannon? Add drop distance, distance based damage, and an ammunition count.

The problem as i see it is that not only do rails pwn you at long range, if you do manage to sneak your blaster tank into range its still going to kick your arse because it will alpha straight through your reps and probably does more DPS as well.

It maybe a case of paper complaining about scissors but wheres rock? only thing that can compete with scissors is another set of scissors.

The problem as i see it is that not only do rails pwn you at long range, if you do manage to sneak your blaster tank into range its still going to kick your arse because it will alpha straight through your reps and probably does more DPS as well.

It maybe a case of paper complaining about scissors but wheres rock? only thing that can compete with scissors is another set of scissors.

U do know a railgun isnt a futreistic weapon, but are actually around today...

that is 2.380 kilometers. per. second. it doesn't have enough distance to travel to drop noticeably, and quite frankly, there being any noticeable travel time on those shots is highly unrealistic.

Not quite. Weaponized rail guns are not in production. The US Navy hopes to have a viable platform by 2016 and even then it is going to be on a battleship or heavy cruiser due to the vast requirements of energy. There is little horizontal recoil in a rail gun. The danger is arcing between the rails and as the current is passed through them it wants to push the barrels apart so you need materials strong enough to resist those strong electromagnetic forces. The battleship model will be able to produce a round with a muzzle velocity of around 3,500m per second with 50 mJ of energy.

Being this is the far future those concerns have been addressed and the amount of energy transferred to the round and its efficiency will be through the roof. So what would its muzzle velocity and energy be? More than enough to puncture a tank when its traveling at speeds over Mach 10.

Didn't use to be like that, I remember when railguns were basically instantaneous. I pretty much flipped the coffee table when they changed it to have noticeable travel time. I should not have to lead a dropship that is 500m away.

these battlefields are typically not even a full kilometer. the speed of current railguns is Mach 7, or seven times the speed of sound(and this was a test firing at low power, 7 pound aluminum slug)

that is 2.380 kilometers. per. second. it doesn't have enough distance to travel to drop noticeably, and quite frankly, there being any noticeable travel time on those shots is highly unrealistic.

the sheer kinetic force of the impact is what gives it destructive power, railguns do not use any type of warhead. It just uses a heavy chunk of metal fired at ridiculous speed and lets the laws of physics do the rest.

you should be happy your tank even exists after a single hit from one.

these battlefields are typically not even a full kilometer. the speed of current railguns is Mach 7, or seven times the speed of sound(and this was a test firing at low power, 7 pound aluminum slug)

that is 2.380 kilometers. per. second. it doesn't have enough distance to travel to drop noticeably, and quite frankly, there being any noticeable travel time on those shots is highly unrealistic.

the sheer kinetic force of the impact is what gives it destructive power, railguns do not use any type of warhead. It just uses a heavy chunk of metal fired at ridiculous speed and lets the laws of physics do the rest.

you should be happy your tank even exists after a single hit from one.

It's unrealistic enough that small railguns have about the range of a laser rifle.

ja, babies can't handle being unable to outfly the slowest turn speed in the game, and so they scream out for nerfs.

You have the entire sky to use, and buildings to hide behind.

A rail gun should have that kind of range. That is the purpose of a rail gun. It uses velocity as its primary means of destruction. When it punctures something the pressure difference will be enough to rip everything out that small exit hole in a very messy manner. Or if it hits a person pretty much dead on impact. The pressure wave it creates from passing through an object is enough to rip down buildings.

It is a shame that sci-fi has given the weapon either super human qualities or it just seems like a futuristic machine gun, but in reality the weapon system is so much more than that.

It goes fast enough to cause the same/more damage than current missiles at small scale demonstrations.

It really is just an extension of humanity's first projectile weapon, throwing something at the bad things(big cats, crocodiles, etc) only now they are throwing heavy things so fast that they annihilate whatever they hit.

Have you seen the pictures/video from the press test of it? The chunk of aluminum they fired was moving so fast that Friction caught the air on fire behind it. I wouldn't want to be within a hundred feet of whatever that's aimed at, and would want at least a small mountain between me and it.

its so dumb you can make a glass tank just put all your slots in damage and youll pop the srongest tank for like 400000k isk. Its so retarted.

Then don't put your tank out in the open? Coordinate with your squad to flank the enemy tank while you get its attention then it comes down to a matter of threat analysis. Do they focus on the approaching infantry which leaves them vulnerable to your tank or do they go for your tank and leave themselves exposed to the ground support? Do you keep your ground forces close to help or send them out to attack?

If your enemy can potentially have those modifications then put your assets on the line like that? Battlefield awareness and tactical sense will help overcome any gear on the map.

You do realise the vast majority of rail tanks are called in deep in the redzone drive up onto a hill and 2-3 shot you in 6 seconds flat right? Seeing them coming allows you to pack ur S**t up and return to your redzone because you just became obsolete.

You do realise the vast majority of rail tanks are called in deep in the redzone drive up onto a hill and 2-3 shot you in 6 seconds flat right? Seeing them coming allows you to pack ur S**t up and return to your redzone because you just became obsolete.

Odd, that gives me enough time to call out that they have a tank, and run to the nearest supply depot(yes, run. I don't drive well) to grab my Forge Gun and scare the hell out of them and keep em in hiding for the rest of the match.

turns out you tank guys are oddly protective of your supposedly invincible, god-tier, ultimate weapons.

its not the point -_-

Odd, that gives me enough time to call out that they have a tank, and run to the nearest supply depot(yes, run. I don't drive well) to grab my Forge Gun and scare the hell out of them and keep em in hiding for the rest of the match.

turns out you tank guys are oddly protective of your supposedly invincible, god-tier, ultimate weapons.

Thats awesome dude I wish i could drive my tank up to a supply depot and swap my blaster for a railgun, then I could HTFU and deal with it like the guy who doesn't even have a dog in the fight.

Thats awesome dude I wish i could drive my tank up to a supply depot and swap my blaster for a railgun, then I could HTFU and deal with it like the guy who doesn't even have a dog in the fight.

Please just shut up, infantry AV can have a big effect on tank fights, and before you go all arrogant on us we may not be directly involved in most cases but we definitely have an interest in the outcome, when you tankers drop 2+ tanks onto a match full of randoms your only response is "qq more". when a tank comes out to play, we deal with it. and btw when you call out a blaster tank you are fully aware that someone on the other team might call out a railgun tank to counter you

Please just shut up, infantry AV can have a big effect on tank fights, and before you go all arrogant on us we may not be directly involved in most cases but we definitely have an interest in the outcome, when you tankers drop 2+ tanks onto a match full of randoms your only response is "qq more". when a tank comes out to play, we deal with it. and btw when you call out a blaster tank you are fully aware that someone on the other team might call out a railgun tank to counter you

Oh hi, sorry I thought this topic was about Tank vs tank combat and railguns, not infantry expressing their hatred of tanks and how anything that kills tanks is good and completely balanced.

And yes when I call out a blaster tank I know someone can call a rail tank, which is why on certain maps I don't, I call a rail tank and become what I hate most, a redline rail sniper picking off ppl while being the next best thing to untouchable, which I am sure infantry just love.

Icy Tiger I suggest you spec in av grenades or forge guns and destroy the tank problem solved. The more you complain the more ccp drastically will change railgun turrets. And we shield tank users invested in strong rail guns. HTFU!!!!!!!!!

so what you're saying is that it's not balanced when it happens to you, but totally balanced when you use it?

so what you're saying is that it's not balanced when it happens to you, but totally balanced when you use it?

Oh hi, sorry I thought this topic was about Tank vs tank combat and railguns, not infantry expressing their hatred of tanks and how anything that kills tanks is good and completely balanced.

And yes when I call out a blaster tank I know someone can call a rail tank, which is why on certain maps I don't, I call a rail tank and become what I hate most, a redline rail sniper picking off ppl while being the next best thing to untouchable, which I am sure infantry just love.

I haven't said that at all you ignorant toss pot.

"Oh I hate it because it unbalances tank v tank fights, but I know when I should be using it instead of a normal tank build"

that's basically what you, and/or this entire topic's tankers have said, paraphrased.

and guess what, that glass cannon tank is just that, glass. get to some cover and tell your team where it was shooting from to get a guy with a forge gun, or a railgun emplacement after it. 2-3 shots and bam, no more glass cannon problem.

I swear, sometimes people think they're the only ones on the team.

I have driven tanks, I have gunned for tankers, I've flown dropships, i've gunned in them, and even just hitched a ride to drop into the fight faster.

I prefer running around because it's easier, I'm a smaller target, and I prefer quietly moving around the field, taking gun emplacements from the enemy, and causing problems away from the objective unless I can find a couple teammates to work with(I'm no one man wrecking crew, my aim is generally crap unless I'm using something with really big bullets)

Its not about the tank itself.. it's about its impact on tank v tank fights. A 700 K tank with complete glass cannon fit can obliterate a 2 million ISK tank from across the map with no effort at all, and no risk because it's behind the redline.

Also, I have a Sagaris on one character, and complete infantry on my main, so I've been on both sides of the fight between infantry/tanks.

That's my whole problem it doesn't work. What you don't realize is that 2 million ISK tanks can be 3 shotted by a glass tank costing less than a million, all from the safety of the redline. The only way we managed to kill it was by getting an OB.

things are never as simple as that, there are more things to consider than just tank vs tank battles, you guys (tankers) know that the best, what i'm saying is while your suggestions might make sense for tanks it could also cause a problem somewhere else in the game, for example nerf railguns too hard and all we will see are blaster tanks, the best anti-infantry tank with no hard counter.

But then isn't that half the point of the fittings menu? to allow you to customize vehicle/suits to specific roles. You deployed a well tanked anti infantry tank costing 2m+ and the enemy deployed a glass canon with a high dps but no tank costing less than 1mil to counter you, it's tactics, it's the system working as intended.

This is a gamebreaking turret on tanks. It promotes camping like a little b**** (cough* chaos mistress and 0tryhard514* cough)and sniping any tanks willing to put up resistance. Railgun tanks do way to much damage for the little risk they take, and can 1 shot basically anything. Large Railgun 80 GJ or whatever can 3 shot most enemy tanks.

This is the one turret that is killing tank on tank combat. Please drastically change it.

invest more heavily in your armor then? or use cheaper tanks? those glass tanks are built specifically as a hard counter to your tank. and basically any heavy armor on the field. railguns are bad against infantry that knows it's there, too accurate for their own good, and too slow to turn.

also, rail emplacements still hit just as hard out past the redline.

so basically, counter the counter with teamwork. or bigger guns.

That's my whole problem it doesn't work. What you don't realize is that 2 million ISK tanks can be 3 shotted by a glass tank costing less than a million, all from the safety of the redline. The only way we managed to kill it was by getting an OB.

lol they dont understand.

your so ignorant its kind of funny. you do realize you can get a miltia shield tank to do like 6000 damage a shot thats bs. Railgun ruin tank vs tank gameplay. Its stupid that you can take a miltia tank and **** a proto tank because of the railguns broken damage!

again ill repeat the railgun isnt the problem
ur new to tankin so it might seem that way but it isnt
when i started tankin rail fights never was a 2-3 shot kill it took skill and coordination, 2v2 tank fights were the best thing ever for me in DUST during that build because u had to coordinate with another tanker and focus fire as well to get a well fitted tank down. Not anymore.

With passive dmg being added to skills (thanks EVE guys!) and broken dmg mods u do a ridiculous amount of dmg which end all rail fights in like 6 secs. Its no longer fun for me because its not very skillful imho.

Its like cod fights but with tanks 1st to shoot wins, or camp it up and peek.
what worries me is the dmg mods been broken for like 5-6 months now like WTF

0 tryhard is pretty pathetic. i killed him twice almost 3 times but game ended saving his life and he killed me twice and then sends me this long msg on how i suck. he lost 2 gunnlogis and then pulled out sagaris as third tank. i lost wat 2 madugers and my third was also a maduger. and he camped in the redline the whole game. the reason he sent me hatemail was because i sent him a GG msg. it's sad really.

I would take 0tryharder over just about any other railgun tanker in game.

He just started tanking this build and already has a hate thread about him

I'm jealous

your so ignorant its kind of funny. you do realize you can get a miltia shield tank to do like 6000 damage a shot thats bs. Railgun ruin tank vs tank gameplay. Its stupid that you can take a miltia tank and **** a proto tank because of the railguns broken damage!

Only time i've come up against him he just hid in the spawn and sniped us with his tank, he actually sent us a mail apologising for his tactics afterwards, but his railgun is lethal

I say the same thing about dropships. We are like 30 thousand years into the future, build ships that travel faster than light, ships that are kilometers long and you are telling me they are still using VTOL craft for planetary warfare? Something seems a bit off.

Probably wasn't squaded and had terrible blue dots, (I do the same in that situation, Although I make some "drive bys" for shucks, because its not a tactic I'm fond of)

I'm not sure how else you would design an aircraft designed to drop units into cramped hotzones...

What would you have 'em do instead?

yeah just a load of reddots we redlined pretty quickly, but he had a forge gunner on his team with a ridiculous dps, it one shotted my 4k hp myron

Or give me an Osprey like craft that as more control in the air and able to make banking turns but is capable of landing in a hover to drop off troops. But it's a helicopter.

I feel for dropship pilots, they don't have enough hitpoints to stay in the air and no weapons to protect themselves

Wait till we get fighters and gunshipsthen we will have our revenge

But tech like hat would be expensive, and dropships and other aircraft are mass production models, it makes sense that the cheaper alternative would be chosen. also VTOL tech would be considerably more robust that anti-grav tech.

They can flash grow clones. Sheath them in armor and arm them with the finest weapons the nations can build every few seconds. Starships that can kill planets. But yet that would be to expensive? I just don't see how such unwieldy craft exist in a millennium that a galaxy is colonized. Just seems silly to me that something like that stands out so much against the generally high tech setting EvE is set in.

Want to make it like a true cannon? Add drop distance, distance based damage, and an ammunition count.

This is a gamebreaking turret on tanks. It promotes camping like a little b**** (cough* chaos mistress and 0tryhard514* cough)and sniping any tanks willing to put up resistance. Railgun tanks do way to much damage for the little risk they take, and can 1 shot basically anything. Large Railgun 80 GJ or whatever can 3 shot most enemy tanks.

This is the one turret that is killing tank on tank combat. Please drastically change it.

Oi now listen up you armor tanking scrub: railguns are fine, you have 2 times more HP then my shield tank so stop complaining about it and get good. You choosed the wrong path and now you want to nerf the main reason to spec into shield tanks? Not my fault that armor tanks have crappy DPS. Get good scrub and you better hide your tank from me.

It just go real.

I thought the stacking penalty was working on vehicles, (Would anyone want to set up a mock corp battle to do some testing with me?)

its the skills that effect damage that make rails the go to. But if you nerf the rails damage all you will see are suryas with blasters

Unless CCP changes the sagaris maurader skill effects rails

Dark hit the nail on the head, what we have is an armor tanker complaining about the turret that kills him.

UA dodging skill lvl 5

So its a complaint about the food chain?

Infantry gets eaten by blaster tank, blaster tank gets eaten by railgun tank, railgun tank gets eaten by anti-armor, anti armor gets eaten by infantry.

Rail tank sits on a hill in the redzone eats everyone, survives Orbitals, goes on forums and claims nothing is wrong, short sighted infantry seem to forget that they can shoot back at blaster tanks and kill them, agrees with rail tankers who they can't actually go and kill.

I leave subject confused but hopeful that CCP will see the truth of the matter and continue to work on vehicle balance.

nope
i did the math and it doesnt add up
pre wipe id one shot a drop ship with over 5500 HP
i know cuz it was a Zion dude who pm'd me asking wtf i had on my tank to drop 5500 HP in 1 hit so im positive i was doin more than 5500 and not exact and this btw was with L.Hybrid turret prof only on lvl 2 not maxed

dmg mods + passive skill dmg ruined how the old good rail fights tbh

This whole thread boils down to an Anti Infantry tank driver QQ, about how a Tank Destroyer (Shield Glass Cannon Fits) did its job and killed them.

Rails are the hard counter to blaster tanks

If the rail gets nerfed again, all that you will see on the field is armor blasters, Shields

UA how bout a corp battle?

I won't even participate we will let 0tryharder wreck you some more.

P.S. how do I not have a hate thread about me yet? I've been railgun tanking for months now

Edit: everyone QQing about the militia glass cannon, they sacrificed all of its tank to gank you, AV infantry should be able to kill them easily "Teamwork Yo"

Oi now listen up you armor tanking scrub: railguns are fine, you have 2 times more HP then my shield tank so stop complaining about it and get good. You choosed the wrong path and now you want to nerf the main reason to spec into shield tanks? Not my fault that armor tanks have crappy DPS. Get good scrub and you better hide your tank from me.

Oi now listen up you armor tanking scrub: railguns are fine, you have 2 times more HP then my shield tank so stop complaining about it and get good. You choosed the wrong path and now you want to nerf the main reason to spec into shield tanks? Not my fault that armor tanks have crappy DPS. Get good scrub and you better hide your tank from me.

What part o red line do you not ******* understand?

What part o red line do you not ******* understand?

So its a complaint about the food chain?

Infantry gets eaten by blaster tank, blaster tank gets eaten by railgun tank, railgun tank gets eaten by anti-armor, anti armor gets eaten by infantry.

nope
i did the math and it doesnt add up
pre wipe id one shot a drop ship with over 5500 HP
i know cuz it was a Zion dude who pm'd me asking wtf i had on my tank to drop 5500 HP in 1 hit so im positive i was doin more than 5500 and not exact and this btw was with L.Hybrid turret prof only on lvl 2 not maxed

dmg mods + passive skill dmg ruined how the old good rail fights tbh

What part of forge gun and/or rail gun installation do you not understand?

So that's a NO on the CB then???????

QQ about getting killed some more...........

Tanks can instantly move behind a hill in the red line. Only way to kill it is to drive a murder taxi full of AV fits into red line, hope you survive and it doesn't see you, and jump out, hope you have the firepower to kill it, and spam AV grenades, all under 20 seconds.

This is a gamebreaking turret on tanks. It promotes camping like a little b**** (cough* chaos mistress and 0tryhard514* cough)and sniping any tanks willing to put up resistance. Railgun tanks do way to much damage for the little risk they take, and can 1 shot basically anything. Large Railgun 80 GJ or whatever can 3 shot most enemy tanks.

This is the one turret that is killing tank on tank combat. Please drastically change it.

At the end of last build with prof 5 and 3 10% damage mods I was hitting for 5400, Do you want to set up a mock corp battle and we will just test stuff?

I'd rather not stroke your epeen while I'm in general discussions making a legitimate discussion. Also, how about infantry only, me vs you 1 on 1?

at the end of the last build after ccp tweaked vehicle CPU and PG i ended up rockin 2 dmg mods instead and was still 2 shottin and at TOPS 3 shottin every tank high end or not.

the mods are def broken

tbh passive skills should not add dmg but add something else to each turret
let turret operation alone affect dmg

let L.Hybrid turrets affect heat build up or sum idk but skills that add dmg shorten fights
even with all my mods goin i will get 3 shotted on my main surya fit which makes no sense when im suppose to be negating way a **** load of ur dmg with resistances.

mock battle im down

ill prob be takin it easy this week tho since we're out no need for us to go hard atm just back to reg boring ole dust now lol

I'll 1 v 1 you, say 1,000,000 isk first to 10

and if my scrubby tank driving ass beats you UA has to corp battle us

Tanks can instantly move behind a hill in the red line. Only way to kill it is to drive a murder taxi full of AV fits into red line, hope you survive and it doesn't see you, and jump out, hope you have the firepower to kill it, and spam AV grenades, all under 20 seconds.

What are you smoking in that pipe?
Just curious because I want to be as oblivious to the world around me as you are.

I'll 1 v 1 you, say 1,000,000 isk first to 10

and if my scrubby tank driving ass beats you UA has to corp battle us

If I can get the drop on a Sagaris/Surya with a Railgun, my Blaster Sica can grind it to DUST (hehe, I said "DUST") before it can hurt me.

There are issues with stacking penalties on a lot of modules, so that's a problem, but Railguns themselves? No problem.

Last time I tried using them, Missiles still needed a slight buff, but other than that, I don't have a problem (and I run AV more often than tanks, but I do both).

This is a gamebreaking turret on tanks. It promotes camping like a little b**** (cough* chaos mistress and 0tryhard514* cough)and sniping any tanks willing to put up resistance. Railgun tanks do way to much damage for the little risk they take, and can 1 shot basically anything. Large Railgun 80 GJ or whatever can 3 shot most enemy tanks.

This is the one turret that is killing tank on tank combat. Please drastically change it.

Better maps fix this problem.

Partially at least.

1. If an 80GJ Railgun can three shot most enemy tanks, then call me a pirate and roast me over a grill. Unless the enemy tank is completely unarmored (2200-2600 EHP) and you have damage modifications, this isn't going to happen.

2. Railguns fire too slowly and the splash damage is too pitiful. Campers are better off using blasters which still have decent range and a much higher rate of fire.

3. I don't know, +300,000 ISK is pretty expensive, and that's the on the lower end of the scale. Further more, no place is safe from swarm launchers. In the open? They can target you very easily. In the dense underbrush? They can outmaneuver you easily.

Wait...What????

A QQ thread about rails? First off that they trump Anti-Infantry tanks...Ummm yeah, working as intended.

and QQ about redline tanking?? Are you new to Dust? Wait....No, IcyTiger, you've been here a while . Did you miss all the snipers and tanks hiding behind the redline for the last few months popping infantry with little to no risk to loss?


The redline, in general, has some bad mechanics tied to it....but don't blame the tank weapon.

I've seen blaster tanks sneak up on rail tanks and pop them....rare but it happens.

Not to mention you can deal stupid amounts of damage with a high level forge guns fitted with damage mods and that gun is carried in someone's hands, not fitted on the top of a tank, and much cheaper than an actual A/V tank.


IMO, tanks need a bit more tank (generally speaking) but they also need to be restricted from pubbies at certain levels and removed from Non OMS Ambush all together.

And you're saying I'm qqing?


The fact that railgun can deal 3000+ damage just from passive increases and damage mods, is ridiculous. The fact that it can do it across the map is ridiculous moreso, and just kills tank v tank fights.

This is a good point - why is every map a bowl, CCP? Can you find another way to do things?

My sagaris tank had 6000 shields, 1000 armor, and a shield resist was engaged. Maybe some swarms had me down to 5000 shields, but he cut through me no problem. Also, tryhard killed my Sica in one shot straight from behind his redline all the way back near the initial CRU, while I was at objective C on manus peak.

Again, I don't give two ***** about the infantry part, but railguns promote camping, and everyone knows it.

Sniping any tanks willing to put up resistance. Can 3 shot most enemy tanks

I find it funny that a tanker who've I've seen several times call his tank on top of sniper hill on manus peak and railcamp the whole game up there started this thread. QQ some more please, my tear jar isn't full yet.

Aircraft - Problem solved.

Aircraft - Problem solved.

Wait...What????

A QQ thread about rails? First off that they trump Anti-Infantry tanks...Ummm yeah, working as intended.

and QQ about redline tanking?? Are you new to Dust? Wait....No, IcyTiger, you've been here a while . Did you miss all the snipers and tanks hiding behind the redline for the last few months popping infantry with little to no risk to loss?


The redline, in general, has some bad mechanics tied to it....but don't blame the tank weapon.

I've seen blaster tanks sneak up on rail tanks and pop them....rare but it happens.

Not to mention you can deal stupid amounts of damage with a high level forge guns fitted with damage mods and that gun is carried in someone's hands, not fitted on the top of a tank, and much cheaper than an actual A/V tank.


IMO, tanks need a bit more tank (generally speaking) but they also need to be restricted from pubbies at certain levels and removed from Non OMS Ambush all together.

Done this twice with a Sica to take out installations...Your point?

Ok. Let's all wait a couple more years then. No worries.

The fact that you have even admitted to it makes your entire arguement null and void.

No it doesn't.

I abuse obviously broken mechanics in games all the time, doesn't mean I can't point out that they're broken and ask the devs to fix them.

And you're saying I'm qqing?


The fact that railgun can deal 3000+ damage just from passive increases and damage mods, is ridiculous. The fact that it can do it across the map is ridiculous moreso, and just kills tank v tank fights.

Large Railgun 80 GJ or whatever can 3 shot most enemy tanks.

This is the one turret that is killing tank on tank combat. Please drastically change it.

My sagaris tank had 6000 shields, 1000 armor, and a shield resist was engaged.

Just made a TD soma fit to figure out the cost, it's 806,000 ISK or so. Seems balanced to me, it has absolutely no tank so its easy to kill.

Yet, you can snipe any tank from across the map with it easily, preferably from behind the redline if you wish to prevent the enemy from taking infantry to you. Also, railguns are affected by a number of factors, my idea to change it somehow was only 1 possible solution, as many have said, Damage Mods/Passive Boosts do way too much to boost the damage, and maps are pretty garbage as well due to redlines.

First off, get your facts straight, and read. I don't care about tanks vs infantry, it's tank on tank that is a problem because of railguns.

Actualy it just sound's like every other nerf cry " it's not my build nerf it so I can have an advantage".

I can spec into railguns anytime I want, last build it was my primary turret of choice, I can tell that it is an unfair advantage over all other turrets unless in specific scenarios.

Aircraft - Problem solved.

Actualy it just sound's like every other nerf cry " it's not my build nerf it so I can have an advantage".

the overlooked answer to dealing with a railgun tank with high dps and line of sight on the majority of the map is don't give it a target.

So instead of bringing to light the issue then, you simply took advantage of it and are only complaining now that it negatively affects you?

Want to make it like a true cannon? Add drop distance, distance based damage, and an ammunition count.

That sounds like a wonderful tactic, kinda resembles "screw you guys im going home" or "gee this MCC is comfortable I think i'll just sit here for 15 mins"

it's supposed to be infantry killed by blaster tanks killed by railgun tanks killed by infantry. blaster tanks should be killed by railguns EVERY TIME. also, railguns should do more dmg than puny little forge guns but they dont- WHY!?

um you think forge gun damage is too low?

I think tank and forge gun dmg is too high. . .
WORLD OF TANX

it's supposed to be infantry killed by blaster tanks killed by railgun tanks killed by infantry. blaster tanks should be killed by railguns EVERY TIME. also, railguns should do more dmg than puny little forge guns but they dont- WHY!?

You should return to the beta forums when you have an original thought, parroting the cat calls of people with vested interests is a misuse of your towering intellect.



That sounds like a wonderful tactic, kinda resembles "screw you guys im going home" or "gee this MCC is comfortable I think i'll just sit here for 15 mins"



Yes by far the more honourable thing to do is abuse the broken mechanics and oppose any calls for the problem to be fixed "get gud" outweighs game balance in any thread.

PS Icy Tiger I still think you and your corp are the dregs of my homebrew kit, don't mistake my agreement with you in this thread as any form of fondness.

I didn't know that scissors could do about 3k damage in one shot.

RPS analogy works well, actually.

Rock (Railgun) does massive damage in one hit, "breaking" scissors (Blaster). Hit a pair of scissors a couple of times with a rock to break them.

Scissors (Blaster) "cuts" paper. Blaster tanks CUT DOWN infantry really quickly. Cutting is usually achieved with a series of actions rather than the single action of bashing a pair of scissors with a rock, much like the Blaster deals small amounts of damage repeatedly to destroy infantry.

Paper (infantry) wraps rock. Infantry swarm tanks. They surround the enemy without taking damage, or while taking only minimal casualties, much like a piece of paper gets creased, but not torn, when wrapped around a rock.

EDIT: Was that a Pratchett reference, Baal?

Of course, I always called it "Parchment Stones and Shears", but perhaps I'm old fashioned. (+1 to the first one who gets that reference )

I like quartz, parchment, shears better.

Bingo! The first clue was in the mistake! Give the man a +1!

Edit: Hell, I'll switch to my alt and give you another.

Railgun tanks do way to much damage for the little risk they take, and can 1 shot basically anything.

This is a gamebreaking turret on tanks. It promotes camping like a little b**** (cough* chaos mistress and 0tryhard514* cough)and sniping any tanks willing to put up resistance. Railgun tanks do way to much damage for the little risk they take, and can 1 shot basically anything. Large Railgun 80 GJ or whatever can 3 shot most enemy tanks.

This is the one turret that is killing tank on tank combat. Please drastically change it.

I am happy that I got an 8 page thread about this. ^.^ I thought you were going to bring up something I might have done that wasn't nice (like killing blue dot gunners )


edit: also, shield railgun tanks can get solod by ONE good AV. I'm not going to tell everyone on forums how, but there are a few people who know how to do it (and devs can check logs :P)

This is a gamebreaking turret on tanks. It promotes camping like a little b**** (cough* chaos mistress and 0tryhard514* cough)and sniping any tanks willing to put up resistance. Railgun tanks do way to much damage for the little risk they take, and can 1 shot basically anything. Large Railgun 80 GJ or whatever can 3 shot most enemy tanks.

This is the one turret that is killing tank on tank combat. Please drastically change it.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH NERF TANKS WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Seriously, I'm waiting for the brave person to start a thread calling for tanks to be removed from the game. This is how incrementalism works in politics. Your end-game is to have them removed completely, just like you're doing with the heavy.

Seriously, I'm waiting for the brave person to start a thread calling for tanks to be removed from the game.

Idk, I don't think he's too serious about wanting tanks nerfed and everything. He's just mad about the sagaris loss. I understand his frustration. They are expensive, and it's hard to come up with a good fit for them without losing many millions of isk ;( I got super annoyed when I first started tanking, but I've gotten better now so it's not too bad. I can afford to lose a 2mil+ tank now and then.

It does help to be in a corp with an experienced tanker who can help me out. That saved a lot of $. I still lost a large # of tanks, but it's better now. Everyone focuses on tanks and high Alpha is all shield tanks have against armor. Shield has bad boosters, a ten second hardener with a 30sec CD (armor is 60 sec active and a 10 sec CD), and less EHP.

lol you want falloff on railguns? Are you nuts? The railgun is equal to the frogegun/sniper rifle in terms of that. Dont even dare to touch that. I saw last time what happend to large missiles when they got a range limitation of 40 meters and then vanish in mid air. Railguns are high damage AV weapons and work as intended.

2. One mountain climbing, redlining, camping, wiener roasting railgun tank isnt too bad. I can usually avoid them the whole match. It's when two or three of em get to sitting on mountains, pin you behind cover, and whittle away at your tank with splash that bothers me.

Want to make it like a true cannon? Add drop distance, distance based damage, and an ammunition count.