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Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:57:00 -
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Berserker007 wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:But railgun is the closest thing we have that looks like a true main cannon for a tank!!!! It's awesome!!!!! U do know a railgun isnt a futreistic weapon, but are actually around today...
Not quite. Weaponized rail guns are not in production. The US Navy hopes to have a viable platform by 2016 and even then it is going to be on a battleship or heavy cruiser due to the vast requirements of energy. There is little horizontal recoil in a rail gun. The danger is arcing between the rails and as the current is passed through them it wants to push the barrels apart so you need materials strong enough to resist those strong electromagnetic forces. The battleship model will be able to produce a round with a muzzle velocity of around 3,500m per second with 50 mJ of energy.
Being this is the far future those concerns have been addressed and the amount of energy transferred to the round and its efficiency will be through the roof. So what would its muzzle velocity and energy be? More than enough to puncture a tank when its traveling at speeds over Mach 10. |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
607
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:59:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:
that is 2.380 kilometers. per. second. it doesn't have enough distance to travel to drop noticeably, and quite frankly, there being any noticeable travel time on those shots is highly unrealistic.
Didn't use to be like that, I remember when railguns were basically instantaneous. I pretty much flipped the coffee table when they changed it to have noticeable travel time. I should not have to lead a dropship that is 500m away. |
WyrmHero1945
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
26
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:01:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:Berserker007 wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:But railgun is the closest thing we have that looks like a true main cannon for a tank!!!! It's awesome!!!!! U do know a railgun isnt a futreistic weapon, but are actually around today... Not quite. Weaponized rail guns are not in production. The US Navy hopes to have a viable platform by 2016 and even then it is going to be on a battleship or heavy cruiser due to the vast requirements of energy. There is little horizontal recoil in a rail gun. The danger is arcing between the rails and as the current is passed through them it wants to push the barrels apart so you need materials strong enough to resist those strong electromagnetic forces. The battleship model will be able to produce a round with a muzzle velocity of around 3,500m per second with 50 mJ of energy. Being this is the far future those concerns have been addressed and the amount of energy transferred to the round and its efficiency will be through the roof. So what would its muzzle velocity and energy be? More than enough to puncture a tank when its traveling at speeds over Mach 10.
In other words badass like most things in Dust.
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Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:01:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:
that is 2.380 kilometers. per. second. it doesn't have enough distance to travel to drop noticeably, and quite frankly, there being any noticeable travel time on those shots is highly unrealistic.
Didn't use to be like that, I remember when railguns were basically instantaneous. I pretty much flipped the coffee table when they changed it to have noticeable travel time. I should not have to lead a dropship that is 500m away.
ja, babies can't handle being unable to outfly the slowest turn speed in the game, and so they scream out for nerfs.
You have the entire sky to use, and buildings to hide behind. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1076
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:01:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:But railgun is the closest thing we have that looks like a true main cannon for a tank!!!! It's awesome!!!!! Want to make it like a true cannon? Add drop distance, distance based damage, and an ammunition count. these battlefields are typically not even a full kilometer. the speed of current railguns is Mach 7, or seven times the speed of sound(and this was a test firing at low power, 7 pound aluminum slug) that is 2.380 kilometers. per. second. it doesn't have enough distance to travel to drop noticeably, and quite frankly, there being any noticeable travel time on those shots is highly unrealistic. the sheer kinetic force of the impact is what gives it destructive power, railguns do not use any type of warhead. It just uses a heavy chunk of metal fired at ridiculous speed and lets the laws of physics do the rest. you should be happy your tank even exists after a single hit from one. It's unrealistic enough that small railguns have about the range of a laser rifle. |
WyrmHero1945
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
26
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:02:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:But railgun is the closest thing we have that looks like a true main cannon for a tank!!!! It's awesome!!!!! Want to make it like a true cannon? Add drop distance, distance based damage, and an ammunition count. these battlefields are typically not even a full kilometer. the speed of current railguns is Mach 7, or seven times the speed of sound(and this was a test firing at low power, 7 pound aluminum slug) that is 2.380 kilometers. per. second. it doesn't have enough distance to travel to drop noticeably, and quite frankly, there being any noticeable travel time on those shots is highly unrealistic. the sheer kinetic force of the impact is what gives it destructive power, railguns do not use any type of warhead. It just uses a heavy chunk of metal fired at ridiculous speed and lets the laws of physics do the rest. you should be happy your tank even exists after a single hit from one.
Main reason I'm in love with railguns. That awesome energy sound.
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Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
33
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:03:00 -
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Pretty much. |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
33
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:06:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote: It's unrealistic enough that small railguns have about the range of a laser rifle.
A rail gun should have that kind of range. That is the purpose of a rail gun. It uses velocity as its primary means of destruction. When it punctures something the pressure difference will be enough to rip everything out that small exit out in a very messy manner. Or if it hits a person pretty much dead on impact. The pressure wave it creates from passing through an object is enough to rip down buildings.
It is a shame that sci-fi has given the weapon either super human qualities or it just seems like a futuristic machine gun, but in reality the weapon system is so much more than that. |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
607
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:10:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36jbiUmYJ8Y
The air behind the projectile literally ignites from all the energy, so badass. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
488
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:11:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:
ja, babies can't handle being unable to outfly the slowest turn speed in the game, and so they scream out for nerfs.
You have the entire sky to use, and buildings to hide behind.
I don't think there are any dropship pilots in here crying for nerfs but if they were they'd be pretty justified in doing so, I can one shot all but the toughest dropships and the toughest take 2 shots, and I'm relatively new to using railguns on tanks, the slow turning speed of the turrent means little at long range. |
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Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:14:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote: It's unrealistic enough that small railguns have about the range of a laser rifle.
A rail gun should have that kind of range. That is the purpose of a rail gun. It uses velocity as its primary means of destruction. When it punctures something the pressure difference will be enough to rip everything out that small exit hole in a very messy manner. Or if it hits a person pretty much dead on impact. The pressure wave it creates from passing through an object is enough to rip down buildings. It is a shame that sci-fi has given the weapon either super human qualities or it just seems like a futuristic machine gun, but in reality the weapon system is so much more than that.
It goes fast enough to cause the same/more damage than current missiles at small scale demonstrations.
It really is just an extension of humanity's first projectile weapon, throwing something at the bad things(big cats, crocodiles, etc) only now they are throwing heavy things so fast that they annihilate whatever they hit.
Have you seen the pictures/video from the press test of it? The chunk of aluminum they fired was moving so fast that Friction caught the air on fire behind it. I wouldn't want to be within a hundred feet of whatever that's aimed at, and would want at least a small mountain between me and it. |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
33
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:17:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote: It goes fast enough to cause the same/more damage than current missiles at small scale demonstrations.
It really is just an extension of humanity's first projectile weapon, throwing something at the bad things(big cats, crocodiles, etc) only now they are throwing heavy things so fast that they annihilate whatever they hit.
Have you seen the pictures/video from the press test of it? The chunk of aluminum they fired was moving so fast that Friction caught the air on fire behind it. I wouldn't want to be within a hundred feet of whatever that's aimed at, and would want at least a small mountain between me and it.
Yeah I've watched the video of the test firing weapon. It is awesome. Watching it makes the skin tingle with excitement. |
The legend345
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
73
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:22:00 -
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its so dumb you can make a glass tank just put all your slots in damage and youll pop the srongest tank for like 400000k isk. Its so retarted. |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
33
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:27:00 -
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The legend345 wrote:its so dumb you can make a glass tank just put all your slots in damage and youll pop the srongest tank for like 400000k isk. Its so retarted.
Then don't put your tank out in the open? Coordinate with your squad to flank the enemy tank while you get its attention then it comes down to a matter of threat analysis. Do they focus on the approaching infantry which leaves them vulnerable to your tank or do they go for your tank and leave themselves exposed to the ground support? Do you keep your ground forces close to help or send them out to attack?
If your enemy can potentially have those modifications then put your assets on the line like that? Battlefield awareness and tactical sense will help overcome any gear on the map. |
Geth Massredux
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
73
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:27:00 -
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Icy Tiger I suggest you spec in av grenades or forge guns and destroy the tank problem solved. The more you complain the more ccp drastically will change railgun turrets. And we shield tank users invested in strong rail guns. HTFU!!!!!!!!! |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
489
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:44:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:The legend345 wrote:its so dumb you can make a glass tank just put all your slots in damage and youll pop the srongest tank for like 400000k isk. Its so retarted. Then don't put your tank out in the open? Coordinate with your squad to flank the enemy tank while you get its attention then it comes down to a matter of threat analysis. Do they focus on the approaching infantry which leaves them vulnerable to your tank or do they go for your tank and leave themselves exposed to the ground support? Do you keep your ground forces close to help or send them out to attack? If your enemy can potentially have those modifications then put your assets on the line like that? Battlefield awareness and tactical sense will help overcome any gear on the map.
You do realise the vast majority of rail tanks are called in deep in the redzone drive up onto a hill and 2-3 shot you in 6 seconds flat right? Seeing them coming allows you to pack ur S**t up and return to your redzone because you just became obsolete.
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Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:47:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Fraceska wrote:The legend345 wrote:its so dumb you can make a glass tank just put all your slots in damage and youll pop the srongest tank for like 400000k isk. Its so retarted. Then don't put your tank out in the open? Coordinate with your squad to flank the enemy tank while you get its attention then it comes down to a matter of threat analysis. Do they focus on the approaching infantry which leaves them vulnerable to your tank or do they go for your tank and leave themselves exposed to the ground support? Do you keep your ground forces close to help or send them out to attack? If your enemy can potentially have those modifications then put your assets on the line like that? Battlefield awareness and tactical sense will help overcome any gear on the map. You do realise the vast majority of rail tanks are called in deep in the redzone drive up onto a hill and 2-3 shot you in 6 seconds flat right? Seeing them coming allows you to pack ur S**t up and return to your redzone because you just became obsolete.
Odd, that gives me enough time to call out that they have a tank, and run to the nearest supply depot(yes, run. I don't drive well) to grab my Forge Gun and scare the hell out of them and keep em in hiding for the rest of the match.
turns out you tank guys are oddly protective of your supposedly invincible, god-tier, ultimate weapons. |
The legend345
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
73
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:48:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Fraceska wrote:The legend345 wrote:its so dumb you can make a glass tank just put all your slots in damage and youll pop the srongest tank for like 400000k isk. Its so retarted. Then don't put your tank out in the open? Coordinate with your squad to flank the enemy tank while you get its attention then it comes down to a matter of threat analysis. Do they focus on the approaching infantry which leaves them vulnerable to your tank or do they go for your tank and leave themselves exposed to the ground support? Do you keep your ground forces close to help or send them out to attack? If your enemy can potentially have those modifications then put your assets on the line like that? Battlefield awareness and tactical sense will help overcome any gear on the map. You do realise the vast majority of rail tanks are called in deep in the redzone drive up onto a hill and 2-3 shot you in 6 seconds flat right? Seeing them coming allows you to pack ur S**t up and return to your redzone because you just became obsolete. This |
The legend345
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
73
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:49:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:Fraceska wrote:The legend345 wrote:its so dumb you can make a glass tank just put all your slots in damage and youll pop the srongest tank for like 400000k isk. Its so retarted. Then don't put your tank out in the open? Coordinate with your squad to flank the enemy tank while you get its attention then it comes down to a matter of threat analysis. Do they focus on the approaching infantry which leaves them vulnerable to your tank or do they go for your tank and leave themselves exposed to the ground support? Do you keep your ground forces close to help or send them out to attack? If your enemy can potentially have those modifications then put your assets on the line like that? Battlefield awareness and tactical sense will help overcome any gear on the map. You do realise the vast majority of rail tanks are called in deep in the redzone drive up onto a hill and 2-3 shot you in 6 seconds flat right? Seeing them coming allows you to pack ur S**t up and return to your redzone because you just became obsolete. Odd, that gives me enough time to call out that they have a tank, and run to the nearest supply depot(yes, run. I don't drive well) to grab my Forge Gun and scare the hell out of them and keep em in hiding for the rest of the match. turns out you tank guys are oddly protective of your supposedly invincible, god-tier, ultimate weapons. its not the point -_- |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:52:00 -
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The legend345 wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:Fraceska wrote:The legend345 wrote:its so dumb you can make a glass tank just put all your slots in damage and youll pop the srongest tank for like 400000k isk. Its so retarted. Then don't put your tank out in the open? Coordinate with your squad to flank the enemy tank while you get its attention then it comes down to a matter of threat analysis. Do they focus on the approaching infantry which leaves them vulnerable to your tank or do they go for your tank and leave themselves exposed to the ground support? Do you keep your ground forces close to help or send them out to attack? If your enemy can potentially have those modifications then put your assets on the line like that? Battlefield awareness and tactical sense will help overcome any gear on the map. You do realise the vast majority of rail tanks are called in deep in the redzone drive up onto a hill and 2-3 shot you in 6 seconds flat right? Seeing them coming allows you to pack ur S**t up and return to your redzone because you just became obsolete. Odd, that gives me enough time to call out that they have a tank, and run to the nearest supply depot(yes, run. I don't drive well) to grab my Forge Gun and scare the hell out of them and keep em in hiding for the rest of the match. turns out you tank guys are oddly protective of your supposedly invincible, god-tier, ultimate weapons. its not the point -_-
so what is your point? that the tanks should be the be-all-end-all of combat, infantry shouldn't have a place? when someone counters you in a fight, do you just lay on the ground and give up? I don't, I go huh, that tactic didn't work, let's try something new. |
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Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
491
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:56:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote: Odd, that gives me enough time to call out that they have a tank, and run to the nearest supply depot(yes, run. I don't drive well) to grab my Forge Gun and scare the hell out of them and keep em in hiding for the rest of the match.
turns out you tank guys are oddly protective of your supposedly invincible, god-tier, ultimate weapons.
Thats awesome dude I wish i could drive my tank up to a supply depot and swap my blaster for a railgun, then I could HTFU and deal with it like the guy who doesn't even have a dog in the fight.
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Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:01:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote: Odd, that gives me enough time to call out that they have a tank, and run to the nearest supply depot(yes, run. I don't drive well) to grab my Forge Gun and scare the hell out of them and keep em in hiding for the rest of the match.
turns out you tank guys are oddly protective of your supposedly invincible, god-tier, ultimate weapons.
Thats awesome dude I wish i could drive my tank up to a supply depot and swap my blaster for a railgun, then I could HTFU and deal with it like the guy who doesn't even have a dog in the fight.
You're right, I don't have a tank, and probably never will. too much hassle. I still remember the days when you could have called this game world of tanks:future edition. I don't want it going back, so the more hard counters to tanks(which at this point is... other tanks and dedicated AV weaponry) the better.
just because you built your tank to be an anti-infantry platform, doesn't mean that someone else didn't make their platform an anti-vehicular powerhouse. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
476
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:03:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote: Odd, that gives me enough time to call out that they have a tank, and run to the nearest supply depot(yes, run. I don't drive well) to grab my Forge Gun and scare the hell out of them and keep em in hiding for the rest of the match.
turns out you tank guys are oddly protective of your supposedly invincible, god-tier, ultimate weapons.
Thats awesome dude I wish i could drive my tank up to a supply depot and swap my blaster for a railgun, then I could HTFU and deal with it like the guy who doesn't even have a dog in the fight. Please just shut up, infantry AV can have a big effect on tank fights, and before you go all arrogant on us we may not be directly involved in most cases but we definitely have an interest in the outcome, when you tankers drop 2+ tanks onto a match full of randoms your only response is "qq more". when a tank comes out to play, we deal with it. and btw when you call out a blaster tank you are fully aware that someone on the other team might call out a railgun tank to counter you |
The legend345
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
73
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:12:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote: Odd, that gives me enough time to call out that they have a tank, and run to the nearest supply depot(yes, run. I don't drive well) to grab my Forge Gun and scare the hell out of them and keep em in hiding for the rest of the match.
turns out you tank guys are oddly protective of your supposedly invincible, god-tier, ultimate weapons.
Thats awesome dude I wish i could drive my tank up to a supply depot and swap my blaster for a railgun, then I could HTFU and deal with it like the guy who doesn't even have a dog in the fight. Please just shut up, infantry AV can have a big effect on tank fights, and before you go all arrogant on us we may not be directly involved in most cases but we definitely have an interest in the outcome, when you tankers drop 2+ tanks onto a match full of randoms your only response is "qq more". when a tank comes out to play, we deal with it. and btw when you call out a blaster tank you are fully aware that someone on the other team might call out a railgun tank to counter you your so ignorant its kind of funny. you do realize you can get a miltia shield tank to do like 6000 damage a shot thats bs. Railgun ruin tank vs tank gameplay. Its stupid that you can take a miltia tank and **** a proto tank because of the railguns broken damage! |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
492
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:14:00 -
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gbghg wrote: Please just shut up, infantry AV can have a big effect on tank fights, and before you go all arrogant on us we may not be directly involved in most cases but we definitely have an interest in the outcome, when you tankers drop 2+ tanks onto a match full of randoms your only response is "qq more". when a tank comes out to play, we deal with it. and btw when you call out a blaster tank you are fully aware that someone on the other team might call out a railgun tank to counter you
Oh hi, sorry I thought this topic was about Tank vs tank combat and railguns, not infantry expressing their hatred of tanks and how anything that kills tanks is good and completely balanced.
And yes when I call out a blaster tank I know someone can call a rail tank, which is why on certain maps I don't, I call a rail tank and become what I hate most, a redline rail sniper picking off ppl while being the next best thing to untouchable, which I am sure infantry just love. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:16:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:gbghg wrote: Please just shut up, infantry AV can have a big effect on tank fights, and before you go all arrogant on us we may not be directly involved in most cases but we definitely have an interest in the outcome, when you tankers drop 2+ tanks onto a match full of randoms your only response is "qq more". when a tank comes out to play, we deal with it. and btw when you call out a blaster tank you are fully aware that someone on the other team might call out a railgun tank to counter you
Oh hi, sorry I thought this topic was about Tank vs tank combat and railguns, not infantry expressing their hatred of tanks and how anything that kills tanks is good and completely balanced. And yes when I call out a blaster tank I know someone can call a rail tank, which is why on certain maps I don't, I call a rail tank and become what I hate most, a redline rail sniper picking off ppl while being the next best thing to untouchable, which I am sure infantry just love.
so what you're saying is that it's not balanced when it happens to you, but totally balanced when you use it? |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1036
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:17:00 -
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Geth Massredux wrote:Icy Tiger I suggest you spec in av grenades or forge guns and destroy the tank problem solved. The more you complain the more ccp drastically will change railgun turrets. And we shield tank users invested in strong rail guns. HTFU!!!!!!!!!
Its not about the tank itself.. it's about its impact on tank v tank fights. A 700 K tank with complete glass cannon fit can obliterate a 2 million ISK tank from across the map with no effort at all, and no risk because it's behind the redline.
Also, I have a Sagaris on one character, and complete infantry on my main, so I've been on both sides of the fight between infantry/tanks. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1036
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:19:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:gbghg wrote: Please just shut up, infantry AV can have a big effect on tank fights, and before you go all arrogant on us we may not be directly involved in most cases but we definitely have an interest in the outcome, when you tankers drop 2+ tanks onto a match full of randoms your only response is "qq more". when a tank comes out to play, we deal with it. and btw when you call out a blaster tank you are fully aware that someone on the other team might call out a railgun tank to counter you
Oh hi, sorry I thought this topic was about Tank vs tank combat and railguns, not infantry expressing their hatred of tanks and how anything that kills tanks is good and completely balanced. And yes when I call out a blaster tank I know someone can call a rail tank, which is why on certain maps I don't, I call a rail tank and become what I hate most, a redline rail sniper picking off ppl while being the next best thing to untouchable, which I am sure infantry just love. so what you're saying is that it's not balanced when it happens to you, but totally balanced when you use it?
Infantry have no place in this discussion. If you don't or haven't already driven at least a standard tank, please don't put in infantry comments. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
492
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:19:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote: so what you're saying is that it's not balanced when it happens to you, but totally balanced when you use it?
I haven't said that at all you ignorant toss pot.
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DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1933
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:24:00 -
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It's so much worse as a dropship pilot.
Unless I fit an afterburner and do nothing but boost around in circles all match, it doesn't matter how I fit my ship because a militia tank in all militia gear with a railgun can take me out in just a couple shots.
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