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Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:22:00 -
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This is a gamebreaking turret on tanks. It promotes camping like a little b**** (cough* chaos mistress and 0tryhard514* cough)and sniping any tanks willing to put up resistance. Railgun tanks do way to much damage for the little risk they take, and can 1 shot basically anything. Large Railgun 80 GJ or whatever can 3 shot most enemy tanks.
This is the one turret that is killing tank on tank combat. Please drastically change it. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1035
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:40:00 -
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Harkon Vysarii wrote:Are you kidding me?
First everyone complains and nerfs missiles into the ground and now you want to make blaster the only effective turrent?
Seriously some of the guy on this forum need to HTFU, not get caught up in this mysterious component of games called "fairness" or "honour" and understand that even if a gun can three shot a tank it comes with significan weaknesses....
Like slow rotation speed and poor CQC targeting..... Oh and did I mention tanks are so flimsy its ridiculous?
First off, get your facts straight, and read. I don't care about tanks vs infantry, it's tank on tank that is a problem because of railguns. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1035
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:41:00 -
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slap26 wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:This is a gamebreaking turret on tanks. It promotes camping like a little b**** (cough* chaos mistress and 0tryhard514* cough)and sniping any tanks willing to put up resistance. Railgun tanks do way to much damage for the little risk they take, and can 1 shot basically anything. Large Railgun 80 GJ or whatever can 3 shot most enemy tanks.
This is the one turret that is killing tank on tank combat. Please drastically change it. Sounds like a scrub tank driver got owned, UA ready to CB us yet or do you still have your dodging skills maxed??????????? Some of us specd into AV tanks, so keep driving your pubstomper
lol and all of you are redline *******. Tryhard ran every single time some swarms were shot at him, often all the way back to his base, coming out occasionally to camp on a mountain. Also, you're a railgun tanker, so its easy to see bias. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1035
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:43:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:But railgun is the closest thing we have that looks like a true main cannon for a tank!!!! It's awesome!!!!!
Want to make it like a true cannon? Add drop distance, distance based damage, and an ammunition count. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1035
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:45:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Harkon Vysarii wrote:Are you kidding me?
First everyone complains and nerfs missiles into the ground and now you want to make blaster the only effective turrent?
Seriously some of the guy on this forum need to HTFU, not get caught up in this mysterious component of games called "fairness" or "honour" and understand that even if a gun can three shot a tank it comes with significan weaknesses....
Like slow rotation speed and poor CQC targeting..... Oh and did I mention tanks are so flimsy its ridiculous? First off, get your facts straight, and read. I don't care about tanks vs infantry, it's tank on tank that is a problem because of railguns. But railguns are an anti-vehicle weapon, of course they're going to dominate in tank vs tank. as robert said this is a case of scissors complaining about rock
I didn't know that scissors could do about 3k damage in one shot. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1035
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:46:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:Problem isnt the railgun its the broken dmg mods giving out insane dmg bonuses 2 shottin and 3 shottin a well fitted tank is just boring
before CCP broke dmg mods rail fights were the best thing for a tanker now its not really that exciting at least for me hence my swap to blasters
The rail turret itself is fine its more the dmg mods and all the passive dmg skills stackin up on the turret that makes tank fights end too fast or end up in a stalemate Exactly, thank you. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1036
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:17:00 -
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Geth Massredux wrote:Icy Tiger I suggest you spec in av grenades or forge guns and destroy the tank problem solved. The more you complain the more ccp drastically will change railgun turrets. And we shield tank users invested in strong rail guns. HTFU!!!!!!!!!
Its not about the tank itself.. it's about its impact on tank v tank fights. A 700 K tank with complete glass cannon fit can obliterate a 2 million ISK tank from across the map with no effort at all, and no risk because it's behind the redline.
Also, I have a Sagaris on one character, and complete infantry on my main, so I've been on both sides of the fight between infantry/tanks. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1036
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:19:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:gbghg wrote: Please just shut up, infantry AV can have a big effect on tank fights, and before you go all arrogant on us we may not be directly involved in most cases but we definitely have an interest in the outcome, when you tankers drop 2+ tanks onto a match full of randoms your only response is "qq more". when a tank comes out to play, we deal with it. and btw when you call out a blaster tank you are fully aware that someone on the other team might call out a railgun tank to counter you
Oh hi, sorry I thought this topic was about Tank vs tank combat and railguns, not infantry expressing their hatred of tanks and how anything that kills tanks is good and completely balanced. And yes when I call out a blaster tank I know someone can call a rail tank, which is why on certain maps I don't, I call a rail tank and become what I hate most, a redline rail sniper picking off ppl while being the next best thing to untouchable, which I am sure infantry just love. so what you're saying is that it's not balanced when it happens to you, but totally balanced when you use it?
Infantry have no place in this discussion. If you don't or haven't already driven at least a standard tank, please don't put in infantry comments. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1038
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:34:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote: so what you're saying is that it's not balanced when it happens to you, but totally balanced when you use it?
I haven't said that at all you ignorant toss pot. "Oh I hate it because it unbalances tank v tank fights, but I know when I should be using it instead of a normal tank build" that's basically what you, and/or this entire topic's tankers have said, paraphrased. and guess what, that glass cannon tank is just that, glass. get to some cover and tell your team where it was shooting from to get a guy with a forge gun, or a railgun emplacement after it. 2-3 shots and bam, no more glass cannon problem. I swear, sometimes people think they're the only ones on the team. I have driven tanks, I have gunned for tankers, I've flown dropships, i've gunned in them, and even just hitched a ride to drop into the fight faster. I prefer running around because it's easier, I'm a smaller target, and I prefer quietly moving around the field, taking gun emplacements from the enemy, and causing problems away from the objective unless I can find a couple teammates to work with(I'm no one man wrecking crew, my aim is generally crap unless I'm using something with really big bullets)
That's my whole problem it doesn't work. What you don't realize is that 2 million ISK tanks can be 3 shotted by a glass tank costing less than a million, all from the safety of the redline. The only way we managed to kill it was by getting an OB.
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Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1049
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Posted - 2013.03.04 03:06:00 -
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slap26 wrote:This whole thread boils down to an Anti Infantry tank driver QQ, about how a Tank Destroyer (Shield Glass Cannon Fits) did its job and killed them. Rails are the hard counter to blaster tanks If the rail gets nerfed again, all that you will see on the field is armor blasters, Shields UA how bout a corp battle? I won't even participate we will let 0tryharder wreck you some more. P.S. how do I not have a hate thread about me yet? I've been railgun tanking for months now Edit: everyone QQing about the militia glass cannon, they sacrificed all of its tank to gank you, AV infantry should be able to kill them easily "Teamwork Yo" What part o red line do you not ******* understand? |
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Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1049
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Posted - 2013.03.04 03:14:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:This is a gamebreaking turret on tanks. It promotes camping like a little b**** (cough* chaos mistress and 0tryhard514* cough)and sniping any tanks willing to put up resistance. Railgun tanks do way to much damage for the little risk they take, and can 1 shot basically anything. Large Railgun 80 GJ or whatever can 3 shot most enemy tanks.
This is the one turret that is killing tank on tank combat. Please drastically change it. Oi now listen up you armor tanking scrub: railguns are fine, you have 2 times more HP then my shield tank so stop complaining about it and get good. You choosed the wrong path and now you want to nerf the main reason to spec into shield tanks? Not my fault that armor tanks have crappy DPS. Get good scrub and you better hide your tank from me. I'm in a sagaris you ******* moron. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1049
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Posted - 2013.03.04 03:14:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:This is a gamebreaking turret on tanks. It promotes camping like a little b**** (cough* chaos mistress and 0tryhard514* cough)and sniping any tanks willing to put up resistance. Railgun tanks do way to much damage for the little risk they take, and can 1 shot basically anything. Large Railgun 80 GJ or whatever can 3 shot most enemy tanks.
This is the one turret that is killing tank on tank combat. Please drastically change it. Oi now listen up you armor tanking scrub: railguns are fine, you have 2 times more HP then my shield tank so stop complaining about it and get good. You choosed the wrong path and now you want to nerf the main reason to spec into shield tanks? Not my fault that armor tanks have crappy DPS. Get good scrub and you better hide your tank from me. I'm in a sagaris you ******* moron. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1052
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Posted - 2013.03.04 03:46:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:slap26 wrote:This whole thread boils down to an Anti Infantry tank driver QQ, about how a Tank Destroyer (Shield Glass Cannon Fits) did its job and killed them. Rails are the hard counter to blaster tanks If the rail gets nerfed again, all that you will see on the field is armor blasters, Shields UA how bout a corp battle? I won't even participate we will let 0tryharder wreck you some more. P.S. how do I not have a hate thread about me yet? I've been railgun tanking for months now Edit: everyone QQing about the militia glass cannon, they sacrificed all of its tank to gank you, AV infantry should be able to kill them easily "Teamwork Yo" What part o red line do you not ******* understand? What part of forge gun and/or rail gun installation do you not understand?
Tanks can instantly move behind a hill in the red line. Only way to kill it is to drive a murder taxi full of AV fits into red line, hope you survive and it doesn't see you, and jump out, hope you have the firepower to kill it, and spam AV grenades, all under 20 seconds. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1052
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Posted - 2013.03.04 03:47:00 -
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slap26 wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:slap26 wrote:This whole thread boils down to an Anti Infantry tank driver QQ, about how a Tank Destroyer (Shield Glass Cannon Fits) did its job and killed them. Rails are the hard counter to blaster tanks If the rail gets nerfed again, all that you will see on the field is armor blasters, Shields UA how bout a corp battle? I won't even participate we will let 0tryharder wreck you some more. P.S. how do I not have a hate thread about me yet? I've been railgun tanking for months now Edit: everyone QQing about the militia glass cannon, they sacrificed all of its tank to gank you, AV infantry should be able to kill them easily "Teamwork Yo" What part o red line do you not ******* understand? So that's a NO on the CB then??????? QQ about getting killed some more........... I'd rather not stroke your epeen while I'm in general discussions making a legitimate discussion. Also, how about infantry only, me vs you 1 on 1? |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1052
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Posted - 2013.03.04 06:26:00 -
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slap26 wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:slap26 wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:slap26 wrote:This whole thread boils down to an Anti Infantry tank driver QQ, about how a Tank Destroyer (Shield Glass Cannon Fits) did its job and killed them. Rails are the hard counter to blaster tanks If the rail gets nerfed again, all that you will see on the field is armor blasters, Shields UA how bout a corp battle? I won't even participate we will let 0tryharder wreck you some more. P.S. how do I not have a hate thread about me yet? I've been railgun tanking for months now Edit: everyone QQing about the militia glass cannon, they sacrificed all of its tank to gank you, AV infantry should be able to kill them easily "Teamwork Yo" What part o red line do you not ******* understand? So that's a NO on the CB then??????? QQ about getting killed some more........... I'd rather not stroke your epeen while I'm in general discussions making a legitimate discussion. Also, how about infantry only, me vs you 1 on 1? I'll 1 v 1 you, say 1,000,000 isk first to 10 and if my scrubby tank driving ass beats you UA has to corp battle us
Done. Anytime I see you in the LFBattle chat, let's do it.
Tell you what. I'll even let you make it militia only if you choose, because you lack necessary infantry skills. Unless you have an alt. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1054
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Posted - 2013.03.04 21:07:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:This is a gamebreaking turret on tanks. It promotes camping like a little b**** (cough* chaos mistress and 0tryhard514* cough)and sniping any tanks willing to put up resistance. Railgun tanks do way to much damage for the little risk they take, and can 1 shot basically anything. Large Railgun 80 GJ or whatever can 3 shot most enemy tanks.
This is the one turret that is killing tank on tank combat. Please drastically change it. 1. If an 80GJ Railgun can three shot most enemy tanks, then call me a pirate and roast me over a grill. Unless the enemy tank is completely unarmored (2200-2600 EHP) and you have damage modifications, this isn't going to happen. 2. Railguns fire too slowly and the splash damage is too pitiful. Campers are better off using blasters which still have decent range and a much higher rate of fire. 3. I don't know, +300,000 ISK is pretty expensive, and that's the on the lower end of the scale. Further more, no place is safe from swarm launchers. In the open? They can target you very easily. In the dense underbrush? They can outmaneuver you easily.
My sagaris tank had 6000 shields, 1000 armor, and a shield resist was engaged. Maybe some swarms had me down to 5000 shields, but he cut through me no problem. Also, tryhard killed my Sica in one shot straight from behind his redline all the way back near the initial CRU, while I was at objective C on manus peak.
Again, I don't give two ***** about the infantry part, but railguns promote camping, and everyone knows it. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1054
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Posted - 2013.03.04 21:08:00 -
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Jaiden Longshot wrote:Wait...What????
A QQ thread about rails? First off that they trump Anti-Infantry tanks...Ummm yeah, working as intended.
and QQ about redline tanking?? Are you new to Dust? Wait....No, IcyTiger, you've been here a while . Did you miss all the snipers and tanks hiding behind the redline for the last few months popping infantry with little to no risk to loss?
The redline, in general, has some bad mechanics tied to it....but don't blame the tank weapon.
I've seen blaster tanks sneak up on rail tanks and pop them....rare but it happens.
Not to mention you can deal stupid amounts of damage with a high level forge guns fitted with damage mods and that gun is carried in someone's hands, not fitted on the top of a tank, and much cheaper than an actual A/V tank.
IMO, tanks need a bit more tank (generally speaking) but they also need to be restricted from pubbies at certain levels and removed from Non OMS Ambush all together.
And you're saying I'm qqing?
The fact that railgun can deal 3000+ damage just from passive increases and damage mods, is ridiculous. The fact that it can do it across the map is ridiculous moreso, and just kills tank v tank fights. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1054
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Posted - 2013.03.04 23:27:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:I find it funny that a tanker who've I've seen several times call his tank on top of sniper hill on manus peak and railcamp the whole game up there started this thread. QQ some more please, my tear jar isn't full yet.
Done this twice with a Sica to take out installations...Your point? |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1054
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Posted - 2013.03.04 23:29:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Aircraft - Problem solved.
Ok. Let's all wait a couple more years then. No worries. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1056
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:09:00 -
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slap26 wrote:Just made a TD soma fit to figure out the cost, it's 806,000 ISK or so. Seems balanced to me, it has absolutely no tank so its easy to kill.
Yet, you can snipe any tank from across the map with it easily, preferably from behind the redline if you wish to prevent the enemy from taking infantry to you. Also, railguns are affected by a number of factors, my idea to change it somehow was only 1 possible solution, as many have said, Damage Mods/Passive Boosts do way too much to boost the damage, and maps are pretty garbage as well due to redlines. |
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Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1056
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:41:00 -
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Israckcatarac wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Harkon Vysarii wrote:Are you kidding me?
First everyone complains and nerfs missiles into the ground and now you want to make blaster the only effective turrent?
Seriously some of the guy on this forum need to HTFU, not get caught up in this mysterious component of games called "fairness" or "honour" and understand that even if a gun can three shot a tank it comes with significan weaknesses....
Like slow rotation speed and poor CQC targeting..... Oh and did I mention tanks are so flimsy its ridiculous? First off, get your facts straight, and read. I don't care about tanks vs infantry, it's tank on tank that is a problem because of railguns. Actualy it just sound's like every other nerf cry " it's not my build nerf it so I can have an advantage".
What?
I can spec into railguns anytime I want, last build it was my primary turret of choice, I can tell that it is an unfair advantage over all other turrets unless in specific scenarios. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1063
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Posted - 2013.03.07 03:33:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:it's supposed to be infantry killed by blaster tanks killed by railgun tanks killed by infantry. blaster tanks should be killed by railguns EVERY TIME. also, railguns should do more dmg than puny little forge guns but they dont- WHY!?
Actually they do. After Mavado pulled out the stats, it's apparent they do more then 5500 damage. So there goes all the whining threads right there. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1063
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Posted - 2013.03.07 03:33:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Israckcatarac wrote:
Actualy it just sound's like every other nerf cry " it's not my build nerf it so I can have an advantage".
You should return to the beta forums when you have an original thought, parroting the cat calls of people with vested interests is a misuse of your towering intellect. gbghg wrote: the overlooked answer to dealing with a railgun tank with high dps and line of sight on the majority of the map is don't give it a target.
That sounds like a wonderful tactic, kinda resembles "screw you guys im going home" or "gee this MCC is comfortable I think i'll just sit here for 15 mins" RECON BY FIRE wrote: So instead of bringing to light the issue then, you simply took advantage of it and are only complaining now that it negatively affects you?
Yes by far the more honourable thing to do is abuse the broken mechanics and oppose any calls for the problem to be fixed "get gud" outweighs game balance in any thread. PS Icy Tiger I still think you and your corp are the dregs of my homebrew kit, don't mistake my agreement with you in this thread as any form of fondness.
lol we hate you too. And remember, I support tanks in general, just not on the battlefield. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1071
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Posted - 2013.03.08 23:43:00 -
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0 Try Harder wrote:I am happy that I got an 8 page thread about this. ^.^ I thought you were going to bring up something I might have done that wasn't nice (like killing blue dot gunners ) edit: also, shield railgun tanks can get solod by ONE good AV. I'm not going to tell everyone on forums how, but there are a few people who know how to do it (and devs can check logs :P)
Mostly it was about Chaos Mistress, but you running back to your redline after sniping people off is annoying as hell, and yes, it is easy to do that AV thing if you can get above the tank or behind it and set some nanohives up. Flux is another option. The LAV wwasn't the point, my Sagaris got 2 shotted by a railgun which did over 5k damage to basically eat through my shields in 3 seconds. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1077
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Posted - 2013.03.09 16:28:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:This is a gamebreaking turret on tanks. It promotes camping like a little b**** (cough* chaos mistress and 0tryhard514* cough)and sniping any tanks willing to put up resistance. Railgun tanks do way to much damage for the little risk they take, and can 1 shot basically anything. Large Railgun 80 GJ or whatever can 3 shot most enemy tanks.
This is the one turret that is killing tank on tank combat. Please drastically change it. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH NERF TANKS WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Seriously, I'm waiting for the brave person to start a thread calling for tanks to be removed from the game. This is how incrementalism works in politics. Your end-game is to have them removed completely, just like you're doing with the heavy.
You do realize that I've supported tanks for months, and I actively use them. Go through my post history. |
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