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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:27:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:This is a gamebreaking turret on tanks. It promotes camping like a little b**** (cough* chaos mistress and 0tryhard514* cough)and sniping any tanks willing to put up resistance. Railgun tanks do way to much damage for the little risk they take, and can 1 shot basically anything. Large Railgun 80 GJ or whatever can 3 shot most enemy tanks.
This is the one turret that is killing tank on tank combat. Please drastically change it. Isn't the whole purpose of railgun tanks to kill other tanks? but it is annoying when they hide behind the redline and don't come out to play with my AV |
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:43:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Harkon Vysarii wrote:Are you kidding me?
First everyone complains and nerfs missiles into the ground and now you want to make blaster the only effective turrent?
Seriously some of the guy on this forum need to HTFU, not get caught up in this mysterious component of games called "fairness" or "honour" and understand that even if a gun can three shot a tank it comes with significan weaknesses....
Like slow rotation speed and poor CQC targeting..... Oh and did I mention tanks are so flimsy its ridiculous? First off, get your facts straight, and read. I don't care about tanks vs infantry, it's tank on tank that is a problem because of railguns. But railguns are an anti-vehicle weapon, of course they're going to dominate in tank vs tank. as robert said this is a case of scissors complaining about rock |
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:50:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:gbghg wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Harkon Vysarii wrote:Are you kidding me?
First everyone complains and nerfs missiles into the ground and now you want to make blaster the only effective turrent?
Seriously some of the guy on this forum need to HTFU, not get caught up in this mysterious component of games called "fairness" or "honour" and understand that even if a gun can three shot a tank it comes with significan weaknesses....
Like slow rotation speed and poor CQC targeting..... Oh and did I mention tanks are so flimsy its ridiculous? First off, get your facts straight, and read. I don't care about tanks vs infantry, it's tank on tank that is a problem because of railguns. But railguns are an anti-vehicle weapon, of course they're going to dominate in tank vs tank. as robert said this is a case of scissors complaining about rock I didn't know that scissors could do about 3k damage in one shot. when you consider the fact that 've been hit by forge guns doing 4k+ damage that seems a little underwhelming for a tank |
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:56:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:The problem as i see it is that not only do rails pwn you at long range, if you do manage to sneak your blaster tank into range its still going to kick your arse because it will alpha straight through your reps and probably does more DPS as well.
It maybe a case of paper complaining about scissors but wheres rock? only thing that can compete with scissors is another set of scissors. AV infantry in this case. |
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:56:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:The problem as i see it is that not only do rails pwn you at long range, if you do manage to sneak your blaster tank into range its still going to kick your arse because it will alpha straight through your reps and probably does more DPS as well.
It maybe a case of paper complaining about scissors but wheres rock? only thing that can compete with scissors is another set of scissors. AV infantry in this case. |
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:03:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote: Odd, that gives me enough time to call out that they have a tank, and run to the nearest supply depot(yes, run. I don't drive well) to grab my Forge Gun and scare the hell out of them and keep em in hiding for the rest of the match.
turns out you tank guys are oddly protective of your supposedly invincible, god-tier, ultimate weapons.
Thats awesome dude I wish i could drive my tank up to a supply depot and swap my blaster for a railgun, then I could HTFU and deal with it like the guy who doesn't even have a dog in the fight. Please just shut up, infantry AV can have a big effect on tank fights, and before you go all arrogant on us we may not be directly involved in most cases but we definitely have an interest in the outcome, when you tankers drop 2+ tanks onto a match full of randoms your only response is "qq more". when a tank comes out to play, we deal with it. and btw when you call out a blaster tank you are fully aware that someone on the other team might call out a railgun tank to counter you |
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:24:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:gbghg wrote: Please just shut up, infantry AV can have a big effect on tank fights, and before you go all arrogant on us we may not be directly involved in most cases but we definitely have an interest in the outcome, when you tankers drop 2+ tanks onto a match full of randoms your only response is "qq more". when a tank comes out to play, we deal with it. and btw when you call out a blaster tank you are fully aware that someone on the other team might call out a railgun tank to counter you
Oh hi, sorry I thought this topic was about Tank vs tank combat and railguns, not infantry expressing their hatred of tanks and how anything that kills tanks is good and completely balanced. And yes when I call out a blaster tank I know someone can call a rail tank, which is why on certain maps I don't, I call a rail tank and become what I hate most, a redline rail sniper picking off ppl while being the next best thing to untouchable, which I am sure infantry just love. things are never as simple as that, there are more things to consider than just tank vs tank battles, you guys (tankers) know that the best, what i'm saying is while your suggestions might make sense for tanks it could also cause a problem somewhere else in the game, for example nerf railguns too hard and all we will see are blaster tanks, the best anti-infantry tank with no hard counter. |
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:39:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote: so what you're saying is that it's not balanced when it happens to you, but totally balanced when you use it?
I haven't said that at all you ignorant toss pot. "Oh I hate it because it unbalances tank v tank fights, but I know when I should be using it instead of a normal tank build" that's basically what you, and/or this entire topic's tankers have said, paraphrased. and guess what, that glass cannon tank is just that, glass. get to some cover and tell your team where it was shooting from to get a guy with a forge gun, or a railgun emplacement after it. 2-3 shots and bam, no more glass cannon problem. I swear, sometimes people think they're the only ones on the team. I have driven tanks, I have gunned for tankers, I've flown dropships, i've gunned in them, and even just hitched a ride to drop into the fight faster. I prefer running around because it's easier, I'm a smaller target, and I prefer quietly moving around the field, taking gun emplacements from the enemy, and causing problems away from the objective unless I can find a couple teammates to work with(I'm no one man wrecking crew, my aim is generally crap unless I'm using something with really big bullets) That's my whole problem it doesn't work. What you don't realize is that 2 million ISK tanks can be 3 shotted by a glass tank costing less than a million, all from the safety of the redline. The only way we managed to kill it was by getting an OB. But then isn't that half the point of the fittings menu? to allow you to customize vehicle/suits to specific roles. You deployed a well tanked anti infantry tank costing 2m+ and the enemy deployed a glass canon with a high dps but no tank costing less than 1mil to counter you, it's tactics, it's the system working as intended. |
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:56:00 -
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The legend345 wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote: so what you're saying is that it's not balanced when it happens to you, but totally balanced when you use it?
I haven't said that at all you ignorant toss pot. "Oh I hate it because it unbalances tank v tank fights, but I know when I should be using it instead of a normal tank build" that's basically what you, and/or this entire topic's tankers have said, paraphrased. and guess what, that glass cannon tank is just that, glass. get to some cover and tell your team where it was shooting from to get a guy with a forge gun, or a railgun emplacement after it. 2-3 shots and bam, no more glass cannon problem. I swear, sometimes people think they're the only ones on the team. I have driven tanks, I have gunned for tankers, I've flown dropships, i've gunned in them, and even just hitched a ride to drop into the fight faster. I prefer running around because it's easier, I'm a smaller target, and I prefer quietly moving around the field, taking gun emplacements from the enemy, and causing problems away from the objective unless I can find a couple teammates to work with(I'm no one man wrecking crew, my aim is generally crap unless I'm using something with really big bullets) That's my whole problem it doesn't work. What you don't realize is that 2 million ISK tanks can be 3 shotted by a glass tank costing less than a million, all from the safety of the redline. The only way we managed to kill it was by getting an OB. lol they dont understand. So by your logic only a equally expensive tank should be able to beat your tank? tbh it sounds like the problem lies with damage mods not the railgun itself |
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Posted - 2013.03.04 00:52:00 -
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slap26 wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:This is a gamebreaking turret on tanks. It promotes camping like a little b**** (cough* chaos mistress and 0tryhard514* cough)and sniping any tanks willing to put up resistance. Railgun tanks do way to much damage for the little risk they take, and can 1 shot basically anything. Large Railgun 80 GJ or whatever can 3 shot most enemy tanks.
This is the one turret that is killing tank on tank combat. Please drastically change it. 0 tryhard is pretty pathetic. i killed him twice almost 3 times but game ended saving his life and he killed me twice and then sends me this long msg on how i suck. he lost 2 gunnlogis and then pulled out sagaris as third tank. i lost wat 2 madugers and my third was also a maduger. and he camped in the redline the whole game. the reason he sent me hatemail was because i sent him a GG msg. it's sad really. I would take 0tryharder over just about any other railgun tanker in game. He just started tanking this build and already has a hate thread about him I'm jealous Only time i've come up against him he just hid in the spawn and sniped us with his tank, he actually sent us a mail apologising for his tactics afterwards, but his railgun is lethal |
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Posted - 2013.03.04 01:04:00 -
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slap26 wrote:gbghg wrote:slap26 wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:This is a gamebreaking turret on tanks. It promotes camping like a little b**** (cough* chaos mistress and 0tryhard514* cough)and sniping any tanks willing to put up resistance. Railgun tanks do way to much damage for the little risk they take, and can 1 shot basically anything. Large Railgun 80 GJ or whatever can 3 shot most enemy tanks.
This is the one turret that is killing tank on tank combat. Please drastically change it. 0 tryhard is pretty pathetic. i killed him twice almost 3 times but game ended saving his life and he killed me twice and then sends me this long msg on how i suck. he lost 2 gunnlogis and then pulled out sagaris as third tank. i lost wat 2 madugers and my third was also a maduger. and he camped in the redline the whole game. the reason he sent me hatemail was because i sent him a GG msg. it's sad really. I would take 0tryharder over just about any other railgun tanker in game. He just started tanking this build and already has a hate thread about him I'm jealous Only time i've come up against him he just hid in the spawn and sniped us with his tank, he actually sent us a mail apologising for his tactics afterwards, but his railgun is lethal Probably wasn't squaded and had terrible blue dots, (I do the same in that situation, Although I make some "drive bys" for shucks , because its not a tactic I'm fond of) yeah just a load of reddots we redlined pretty quickly, but he had a forge gunner on his team with a ridiculous dps, it one shotted my 4k hp myron |
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Posted - 2013.03.04 01:06:00 -
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Posted - 2013.03.04 01:14:00 -
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slap26 wrote:gbghg wrote:yeah just a load of reddots we redlined pretty quickly, but he had a forge gunner on his team with a ridiculous dps, it one shotted my 4k hp myron I feel for dropship pilots, they don't have enough hitpoints to stay in the air and no weapons to protect themselves Wait till we get fighters and gunshipsthen we will have our revenge |
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Posted - 2013.03.04 01:25:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:gbghg wrote: But tech like hat would be expensive, and dropships and other aircraft are mass production models, it makes sense that the cheaper alternative would be chosen. also VTOL tech would be considerably more robust that anti-grav tech.
They can flash grow clones. Sheath them in armor and arm them with the finest weapons the nations can build every few seconds. Starships that can kill planets. But yet that would be to expensive? I just don't see how such unwieldy craft exist in a millennium that a galaxy is colonized. Just seems silly to me that something like that stands out so much against the generally high tech setting EvE is set in. ahem *points to LAV's driving around with 4 wheels, points to HAV's rolling around on treads* if it ain't broke, why fix it? |
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Posted - 2013.03.04 21:18:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Jaiden Longshot wrote:Wait...What????
A QQ thread about rails? First off that they trump Anti-Infantry tanks...Ummm yeah, working as intended.
and QQ about redline tanking?? Are you new to Dust? Wait....No, IcyTiger, you've been here a while . Did you miss all the snipers and tanks hiding behind the redline for the last few months popping infantry with little to no risk to loss?
The redline, in general, has some bad mechanics tied to it....but don't blame the tank weapon.
I've seen blaster tanks sneak up on rail tanks and pop them....rare but it happens.
Not to mention you can deal stupid amounts of damage with a high level forge guns fitted with damage mods and that gun is carried in someone's hands, not fitted on the top of a tank, and much cheaper than an actual A/V tank.
IMO, tanks need a bit more tank (generally speaking) but they also need to be restricted from pubbies at certain levels and removed from Non OMS Ambush all together. And you're saying I'm qqing? The fact that railgun can deal 3000+ damage just from passive increases and damage mods, is ridiculous. The fact that it can do it across the map is ridiculous moreso, and just kills tank v tank fights. I've seen forge guns do that kind of damage, and that's what you would expect an anti-tank mounted weapon to do. and as for the range please look at the previous comments about map sizes and railgun range and slug speed |
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Posted - 2013.03.04 23:29:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Aircraft - Problem solved. Dropships are useless for AV, and other aircraft are on the soonTM list, so god knows when we're going to get them |
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:28:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:slap26 wrote:Just made a TD soma fit to figure out the cost, it's 806,000 ISK or so. Seems balanced to me, it has absolutely no tank so its easy to kill. Yet, you can snipe any tank from across the map with it easily, preferably from behind the redline if you wish to prevent the enemy from taking infantry to you. Also, railguns are affected by a number of factors, my idea to change it somehow was only 1 possible solution, as many have said, Damage Mods/Passive Boosts do way too much to boost the damage, and maps are pretty garbage as well due to redlines. It's a railgun, of course it's going to have ridiculous range, and as you pointed out in your post mods and passive skills boost the damage too much and map design just increase the problem. and the overlooked answer to dealing with a railgun tank with high dps and line of sight on the majority of the map is don't give it a target. |
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Posted - 2013.03.06 13:58:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:gbghg wrote: the overlooked answer to dealing with a railgun tank with high dps and line of sight on the majority of the map is don't give it a target.
That sounds like a wonderful tactic, kinda resembles "screw you guys im going home" or "gee this MCC is comfortable I think i'll just sit here for 15 mins" actually it's more along the lines of "don't put a tank in a tank destroyers sights" it's up there with "don't hover a dropship next to an enemy forgegunner" on the list of common sense ideas. |
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Posted - 2013.03.07 03:09:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:it's supposed to be infantry killed by blaster tanks killed by railgun tanks killed by infantry. blaster tanks should be killed by railguns EVERY TIME. also, railguns should do more dmg than puny little forge guns but they dont- WHY!? um you think forge gun damage is too low? I think tank and forge gun dmg is too high. . . WORLD OF TANX My poor drop ship ... |
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