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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1857
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:48:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:My sagaris tank had 6000 shields, 1000 armor, and a shield resist was engaged. So what you're saying is that my Sica is only about 1000HP short of matching your Sagaris for raw HP?
Maybe you should take a closer look at how that happened? |
slap26
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
484
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:10:00 -
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Just made a TD soma fit to figure out the cost, it's 806,000 ISK or so. Seems balanced to me, it has absolutely no tank so its easy to kill. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2966
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:16:00 -
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Ill be honest I only put rails on tanks to scare other tankers away. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1056
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:09:00 -
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slap26 wrote:Just made a TD soma fit to figure out the cost, it's 806,000 ISK or so. Seems balanced to me, it has absolutely no tank so its easy to kill.
Yet, you can snipe any tank from across the map with it easily, preferably from behind the redline if you wish to prevent the enemy from taking infantry to you. Also, railguns are affected by a number of factors, my idea to change it somehow was only 1 possible solution, as many have said, Damage Mods/Passive Boosts do way too much to boost the damage, and maps are pretty garbage as well due to redlines. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
528
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:28:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:slap26 wrote:Just made a TD soma fit to figure out the cost, it's 806,000 ISK or so. Seems balanced to me, it has absolutely no tank so its easy to kill. Yet, you can snipe any tank from across the map with it easily, preferably from behind the redline if you wish to prevent the enemy from taking infantry to you. Also, railguns are affected by a number of factors, my idea to change it somehow was only 1 possible solution, as many have said, Damage Mods/Passive Boosts do way too much to boost the damage, and maps are pretty garbage as well due to redlines. It's a railgun, of course it's going to have ridiculous range, and as you pointed out in your post mods and passive skills boost the damage too much and map design just increase the problem. and the overlooked answer to dealing with a railgun tank with high dps and line of sight on the majority of the map is don't give it a target. |
Israckcatarac
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:30:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Harkon Vysarii wrote:Are you kidding me?
First everyone complains and nerfs missiles into the ground and now you want to make blaster the only effective turrent?
Seriously some of the guy on this forum need to HTFU, not get caught up in this mysterious component of games called "fairness" or "honour" and understand that even if a gun can three shot a tank it comes with significan weaknesses....
Like slow rotation speed and poor CQC targeting..... Oh and did I mention tanks are so flimsy its ridiculous? First off, get your facts straight, and read. I don't care about tanks vs infantry, it's tank on tank that is a problem because of railguns.
Actualy it just sound's like every other nerf cry " it's not my build nerf it so I can have an advantage". |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1056
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:41:00 -
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Israckcatarac wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Harkon Vysarii wrote:Are you kidding me?
First everyone complains and nerfs missiles into the ground and now you want to make blaster the only effective turrent?
Seriously some of the guy on this forum need to HTFU, not get caught up in this mysterious component of games called "fairness" or "honour" and understand that even if a gun can three shot a tank it comes with significan weaknesses....
Like slow rotation speed and poor CQC targeting..... Oh and did I mention tanks are so flimsy its ridiculous? First off, get your facts straight, and read. I don't care about tanks vs infantry, it's tank on tank that is a problem because of railguns. Actualy it just sound's like every other nerf cry " it's not my build nerf it so I can have an advantage".
What?
I can spec into railguns anytime I want, last build it was my primary turret of choice, I can tell that it is an unfair advantage over all other turrets unless in specific scenarios. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2358
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:50:00 -
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lol ppl still continuing this argument? already posted the stats and the numbers dont add up nothing wrong with the rail range but the dmg it outputs doesnt add up |
RECON BY FIRE
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
60
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:51:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:I can spec into railguns anytime I want, last build it was my primary turret of choice, I can tell that it is an unfair advantage over all other turrets unless in specific scenarios.
So instead of bringing to light the issue then, you simply took advantage of it and are only complaining now that it negatively affects you? |
bluenzo1
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.03.06 01:15:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Aircraft - Problem solved. Aircraft with built-in swarm launchers! |
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Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
501
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Posted - 2013.03.06 05:59:00 -
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Israckcatarac wrote:
Actualy it just sound's like every other nerf cry " it's not my build nerf it so I can have an advantage".
You should return to the beta forums when you have an original thought, parroting the cat calls of people with vested interests is a misuse of your towering intellect.
gbghg wrote: the overlooked answer to dealing with a railgun tank with high dps and line of sight on the majority of the map is don't give it a target.
That sounds like a wonderful tactic, kinda resembles "screw you guys im going home" or "gee this MCC is comfortable I think i'll just sit here for 15 mins"
RECON BY FIRE wrote: So instead of bringing to light the issue then, you simply took advantage of it and are only complaining now that it negatively affects you?
Yes by far the more honourable thing to do is abuse the broken mechanics and oppose any calls for the problem to be fixed "get gud" outweighs game balance in any thread.
PS Icy Tiger I still think you and your corp are the dregs of my homebrew kit, don't mistake my agreement with you in this thread as any form of fondness. |
Syther Shadows
CowTek
24
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Posted - 2013.03.06 06:04:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:But railgun is the closest thing we have that looks like a true main cannon for a tank!!!! It's awesome!!!!! Want to make it like a true cannon? Add drop distance, distance based damage, and an ammunition count.
futureeeeeeeeee |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
534
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Posted - 2013.03.06 13:58:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:gbghg wrote: the overlooked answer to dealing with a railgun tank with high dps and line of sight on the majority of the map is don't give it a target.
That sounds like a wonderful tactic, kinda resembles "screw you guys im going home" or "gee this MCC is comfortable I think i'll just sit here for 15 mins" actually it's more along the lines of "don't put a tank in a tank destroyers sights" it's up there with "don't hover a dropship next to an enemy forgegunner" on the list of common sense ideas. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
17
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Posted - 2013.03.07 02:32:00 -
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it's supposed to be infantry killed by blaster tanks killed by railgun tanks killed by infantry. blaster tanks should be killed by railguns EVERY TIME. also, railguns should do more dmg than puny little forge guns but they dont- WHY!? |
Nguruthos IX
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
78
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Posted - 2013.03.07 02:47:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:it's supposed to be infantry killed by blaster tanks killed by railgun tanks killed by infantry. blaster tanks should be killed by railguns EVERY TIME. also, railguns should do more dmg than puny little forge guns but they dont- WHY!?
um you think forge gun damage is too low?
I think tank and forge gun dmg is too high. . . WORLD OF TANX
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
544
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Posted - 2013.03.07 03:09:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:it's supposed to be infantry killed by blaster tanks killed by railgun tanks killed by infantry. blaster tanks should be killed by railguns EVERY TIME. also, railguns should do more dmg than puny little forge guns but they dont- WHY!? um you think forge gun damage is too low? I think tank and forge gun dmg is too high. . . WORLD OF TANX My poor drop ship ... |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1063
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Posted - 2013.03.07 03:33:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:it's supposed to be infantry killed by blaster tanks killed by railgun tanks killed by infantry. blaster tanks should be killed by railguns EVERY TIME. also, railguns should do more dmg than puny little forge guns but they dont- WHY!?
Actually they do. After Mavado pulled out the stats, it's apparent they do more then 5500 damage. So there goes all the whining threads right there. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1063
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Posted - 2013.03.07 03:33:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Israckcatarac wrote:
Actualy it just sound's like every other nerf cry " it's not my build nerf it so I can have an advantage".
You should return to the beta forums when you have an original thought, parroting the cat calls of people with vested interests is a misuse of your towering intellect. gbghg wrote: the overlooked answer to dealing with a railgun tank with high dps and line of sight on the majority of the map is don't give it a target.
That sounds like a wonderful tactic, kinda resembles "screw you guys im going home" or "gee this MCC is comfortable I think i'll just sit here for 15 mins" RECON BY FIRE wrote: So instead of bringing to light the issue then, you simply took advantage of it and are only complaining now that it negatively affects you?
Yes by far the more honourable thing to do is abuse the broken mechanics and oppose any calls for the problem to be fixed "get gud" outweighs game balance in any thread. PS Icy Tiger I still think you and your corp are the dregs of my homebrew kit, don't mistake my agreement with you in this thread as any form of fondness.
lol we hate you too. And remember, I support tanks in general, just not on the battlefield. |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
280
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Posted - 2013.03.07 04:37:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:gbghg wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Harkon Vysarii wrote:Are you kidding me?
First everyone complains and nerfs missiles into the ground and now you want to make blaster the only effective turrent?
Seriously some of the guy on this forum need to HTFU, not get caught up in this mysterious component of games called "fairness" or "honour" and understand that even if a gun can three shot a tank it comes with significan weaknesses....
Like slow rotation speed and poor CQC targeting..... Oh and did I mention tanks are so flimsy its ridiculous? First off, get your facts straight, and read. I don't care about tanks vs infantry, it's tank on tank that is a problem because of railguns. But railguns are an anti-vehicle weapon, of course they're going to dominate in tank vs tank. as robert said this is a case of scissors complaining about rock I didn't know that scissors could do about 3k damage in one shot. Since you want to play semantics, rock would technically be doing 3k damage to scissors since in this scenario rock represents the rail tank and scissors represents the blaster tank.
Also, since the topic is brought up, rock one shot's scissors in a single round of P/R/S.
Lastly, to follow this silly little argument about 3k damage to scissors to the bitter end (because I'm feeling a bit like a Richard), since P/R/S is usually played best 2 out of 3, it makes since that a tank would be 2 shotted since it takes only two rocks to beat 2 scissors, so really the tanks should all be 2-pieced by them.
If you want to get rid of a rail tank, don't use a tank, use a forge gun (read: paper).
Of course, I always called it "Parchment Stones and Shears", but perhaps I'm old fashioned. (+1 to the first one who gets that reference ) |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1867
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Posted - 2013.03.07 05:02:00 -
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RPS analogy works well, actually.
Rock (Railgun) does massive damage in one hit, "breaking" scissors (Blaster). Hit a pair of scissors a couple of times with a rock to break them.
Scissors (Blaster) "cuts" paper. Blaster tanks CUT DOWN infantry really quickly. Cutting is usually achieved with a series of actions rather than the single action of bashing a pair of scissors with a rock, much like the Blaster deals small amounts of damage repeatedly to destroy infantry.
Paper (infantry) wraps rock. Infantry swarm tanks. They surround the enemy without taking damage, or while taking only minimal casualties, much like a piece of paper gets creased, but not torn, when wrapped around a rock.
EDIT: Was that a Pratchett reference, Baal? |
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
281
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Posted - 2013.03.07 05:06:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:RPS analogy works well, actually.
Rock (Railgun) does massive damage in one hit, "breaking" scissors (Blaster). Hit a pair of scissors a couple of times with a rock to break them.
Scissors (Blaster) "cuts" paper. Blaster tanks CUT DOWN infantry really quickly. Cutting is usually achieved with a series of actions rather than the single action of bashing a pair of scissors with a rock, much like the Blaster deals small amounts of damage repeatedly to destroy infantry.
Paper (infantry) wraps rock. Infantry swarm tanks. They surround the enemy without taking damage, or while taking only minimal casualties, much like a piece of paper gets creased, but not torn, when wrapped around a rock.
EDIT: Was that a Pratchett reference, Baal? Nope, think Cartoon Network |
RECON BY FIRE
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
62
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Posted - 2013.03.07 05:44:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Of course, I always called it "Parchment Stones and Shears", but perhaps I'm old fashioned. (+1 to the first one who gets that reference )
I like quartz, parchment, shears better. |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
281
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Posted - 2013.03.07 05:49:00 -
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RECON BY FIRE wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Of course, I always called it "Parchment Stones and Shears", but perhaps I'm old fashioned. (+1 to the first one who gets that reference ) I like quartz, parchment, shears better. Bingo! The first clue was in the mistake! Give the man a +1!
Edit: Hell, I'll switch to my alt and give you another. |
RECON BY FIRE
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
65
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Posted - 2013.03.07 06:17:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Of course, I always called it "Parchment Stones and Shears", but perhaps I'm old fashioned. (+1 to the first one who gets that reference ) I like quartz, parchment, shears better. Bingo! The first clue was in the mistake! Give the man a +1! Edit: Hell, I'll switch to my alt and give you another.
Lol, its a favorite show of mine when I just wanna be mindless and relax. I wanna say that was the pilot episode too. |
0 Try Harder
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
135
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Posted - 2013.03.08 23:26:00 -
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lol I know this guy. He spent an entire game trying to kill me with some of his friends.
Icy Tiger wrote:Railgun tanks do way to much damage for the little risk they take, and can 1 shot basically anything.
Yes railguns do a lot of damage, but if you're charging a railgun tank head, on in a straight line, and with a militia LAV, you should expect to be one shot.
Icy Tiger wrote:This is a gamebreaking turret on tanks. It promotes camping like a little b**** (cough* chaos mistress and 0tryhard514* cough)and sniping any tanks willing to put up resistance. Railgun tanks do way to much damage for the little risk they take, and can 1 shot basically anything. Large Railgun 80 GJ or whatever can 3 shot most enemy tanks.
This is the one turret that is killing tank on tank combat. Please drastically change it.
I wasn't even railgun sniping from the red line that time lol. (I occasionally do that, but not often ;) I was at objective C on Manus Peak. The first time you took an LAV and drove straight towards where my railgun was pointing I thought it was a mistake, but after the fifth time I thought it was funny. I thought you were just screwing around xD
But yah. An expensive tank (I don't remember if I was in a gunnlogi or sagaris at the time) one shotting a cheap militia LAV (Or even an expensive one) isn't a big deal. The ability to kill NPC turrets quickly isn't that bad too. Everyone can be camped, and the way to avoid it is to spawn at a different location too (like not at the same CRU that you just died the past two times spawning at).
I'm not a fan of peeps railgun sniping from the redline all of the time tho. |
0 Try Harder
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
135
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Posted - 2013.03.08 23:28:00 -
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I am happy that I got an 8 page thread about this. ^.^ I thought you were going to bring up something I might have done that wasn't nice (like killing blue dot gunners )
edit: also, shield railgun tanks can get solod by ONE good AV. I'm not going to tell everyone on forums how, but there are a few people who know how to do it (and devs can check logs :P) |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1071
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Posted - 2013.03.08 23:43:00 -
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0 Try Harder wrote:I am happy that I got an 8 page thread about this. ^.^ I thought you were going to bring up something I might have done that wasn't nice (like killing blue dot gunners ) edit: also, shield railgun tanks can get solod by ONE good AV. I'm not going to tell everyone on forums how, but there are a few people who know how to do it (and devs can check logs :P)
Mostly it was about Chaos Mistress, but you running back to your redline after sniping people off is annoying as hell, and yes, it is easy to do that AV thing if you can get above the tank or behind it and set some nanohives up. Flux is another option. The LAV wwasn't the point, my Sagaris got 2 shotted by a railgun which did over 5k damage to basically eat through my shields in 3 seconds. |
0 Try Harder
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
135
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Posted - 2013.03.09 15:06:00 -
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oh.
Get a better tank :P
I had a great tank battle with chaos mistress. You just need to work on your tank fit a bit :P There are some good posts on the training ground, but it's true that there are no posts on advanced fits for a sagaris. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.03.09 16:20:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:This is a gamebreaking turret on tanks. It promotes camping like a little b**** (cough* chaos mistress and 0tryhard514* cough)and sniping any tanks willing to put up resistance. Railgun tanks do way to much damage for the little risk they take, and can 1 shot basically anything. Large Railgun 80 GJ or whatever can 3 shot most enemy tanks.
This is the one turret that is killing tank on tank combat. Please drastically change it. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH NERF TANKS WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
Seriously, I'm waiting for the brave person to start a thread calling for tanks to be removed from the game. This is how incrementalism works in politics. Your end-game is to have them removed completely, just like you're doing with the heavy. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1077
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Posted - 2013.03.09 16:28:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:This is a gamebreaking turret on tanks. It promotes camping like a little b**** (cough* chaos mistress and 0tryhard514* cough)and sniping any tanks willing to put up resistance. Railgun tanks do way to much damage for the little risk they take, and can 1 shot basically anything. Large Railgun 80 GJ or whatever can 3 shot most enemy tanks.
This is the one turret that is killing tank on tank combat. Please drastically change it. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH NERF TANKS WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Seriously, I'm waiting for the brave person to start a thread calling for tanks to be removed from the game. This is how incrementalism works in politics. Your end-game is to have them removed completely, just like you're doing with the heavy.
You do realize that I've supported tanks for months, and I actively use them. Go through my post history. |
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