Only reason I treat Dust seriously as a shooter is because it uses KB/M. Take it away and I'm gone.

Lol bye, you surely wont be missed. This is a console game, not a PC game.

This is a terrible idea. We are drifting ever further away from the one universe goal. I know players who use - DS3, third party optical controllers, eagle eye adapters, move, mouse, gamepad, and several variations, combinations, and hybrids. How on earth do you organize that into lobbies, especially when we have players who use multiple control schemes within the same match?

No one is splitting anything , they just give us choices , to be able to play against DS3 users or against KB/M or both.

Why would anyone be against this is beyond me .

Adapt or die , like you love to throw around here.

Essentially, CCP u shouldnt of even added kbm into the mix. That concept alone has been more of a curse, plus it allows certain classes to be used beyond the abilities a controller allows.

I disagree. Freedom of input is one of the things that makes this game great and extremely unique as a console shooter.

Maybe if CCP did it right, but too many people abuse the loopholes.

No one is splitting anything , they just give us choices , to be able to play against DS3 users or against KB/M or both.

Why would anyone be against this is beyond me .

Adapt or die , like you love to throw around here.

Ok, it's time to clear up some misconceptions.

Despite the half quote by the OP which lead to the conclusion that this is to segregate the community by controller input types (which is not case), there are a lot of good feedback, and suggestions about this topic and this is exactly what we want to hear from you, our player community.

What we want to offer is a choice for players who want the option to play against other players using the same input device and not to force anyone into it, which doesn't make much sense as many others have pointed out. If this is implemented into the Matchmaking system it will be done in a way that will not force a segregation of players who use different control inputs. And if this is implemented we will still allow mixed control input matches. To reinterate, this is about giving more choices to our players and not taking it away from you.

One more thing I would like to add is that Matchmaking will only affect high sec public matches and will not affect null sec matches.

We will continue to fine tune the controller sensitivity levels and work on balancing the game play.

what he said

Ok, it's time to clear up some misconceptions.

Despite the half quote by the OP which lead to the conclusion that this is to segregate the community by controller input types (which is not case), there are a lot of good feedback, and suggestions about this topic and this is exactly what we want to hear from you, our player community.

What we want to offer is a choice for players who want the option to play against other players using the same input device and not to force anyone into it, which doesn't make much sense as many others have pointed out. If this is implemented into the Matchmaking system it will be done in a way that will not force a segregation of players who use different control inputs. And if this is implemented we will still allow mixed control input matches. To reinterate, this is about giving more choices to our players and not taking it away from you.

One more thing I would like to add is that Matchmaking will only affect high sec public matches and will not affect null sec matches.

We will continue to fine tune the controller sensitivity levels and work on balancing the game play.

Segregation by choice is still segregation no matter how you cut it.

The whole reason for playing an FPS on a console is that everyone is on same playing field.
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Not really, KBM have huge advantage and we are tired, play with controller and im sure you are not that good , thanks

@Tiel:

What I reckon the idea is would be something like this:

If there are sixteen players with keyboard and mouse, and they're all going into a pub game, the matchmaking system would try to divide them as evenly as possible. Eight to each side, give or take a couple. And even then, this isn't necessarily a primary factor in the matchmaking, but most likely just something that will be taken into account, because, um, that's exactly what Wang said.


If they changed the matchmaking system to do a better job of taking, e.g. four full squads and sixteen randoms, and making two teams of two squads and eight randoms each, instead of three-squads-plus-four vs. one-squad-plus-twelve, would you call that "segregation," too?
Would you really have a problem with that approach to placing squads and randoms in teams? Personally, I'm tired of the redline-fests, no matter which side I land on. (although one end of that equation is significantly more frustrating)

Would folks really have issues with a minor change in how the randoms fill out your team? If you have three KB/M users in your squad, and there're two in mine, and there're five KB/M users in the pile of randoms when all of us join a game, is it really that big of a deal if you guys get two of the KB/M randoms, and we get the other three? Or if both our squads are on the same side, and there're two squads that have no KB/M users, sticking all five of those randoms over there, and only giving us randoms with DS3 controllers? I just don't see the problem.

Or is it that you guys think that this controller-as-factor-somewhere-in-the-matchmaking-process thing will involve breaking up preformed squads or something? 'Cause he didn't say anything about that, either. That I would definitely not like to see, but I really doubt they would do it, so, yeah. I'm not worried.


Anyway, my only point is that I really do think y'all are freaking out over somthing imaginary, or at least not yet known. He wrote two sentences that barely contain any information, and people are acting like the sky is falling.

Awesome. No worries about splitting community. The kbm people will stop using it when they have to go up against other kbm people. They only like it now because of the advantage over most others.

Only kbm people can strafe exactly right to left while sprinting, something almost impossible on the controller, and even worse its nearly impossible to strafe and jump and keep cross hair on target. On gamepad you can't press x to jump without releasing camera control unless you use another finger but then you aren't firing gun with r1 which is also same hand.

In reality, I think kbm should be removed, the game client doesn't seem to be able to handle the movement updates available with kbm. Or your server side can't seem to update the client fast enough, making the user somewhat invincible, since you're always shooting empty air even though your client shows the guy in middle of your cross hair, but server obviously knows the guy wasn't their, since it didn't register hit/damage on opponent. I'm guessing that's more feasible then increasing the frequency of updates sent to clients.


One more note, the whole awesome thing about console games is that everyone is on same footing, no advantage because other guys video card costs more then your whole computer. Making everyone use gamepad is something console players want and expect as a reason to play games on console. There is a reason the console versions of fps games outsell their PC counterparts, even playing field.

No, the scenario we fear is that there's 100 people with controller and 100 people with kbm going into a game on any given moment.
If the server 'wants' to pool people with the same control method together, that would fill 3x 32 player games with kbm'rs and 3x 32plr matches with padders. The few extra would go as you describe.


At worst, that would mean that different control methods would not play together, practically ever. The community would be halved from your perspective.

i don't take notice. most KBMs rely strictly on their direct aim and theres nothing else except finer tracking in their bag of tricks.. imo KBM isn't a win button, but I'm not going to fight this new system, i really have fallen out of the community, have turned mic off, and just solo all the time so if they wanna divide the community u[ maybe my stats will be even that much more easier to pad. if the community fights against it and wins i'm fine by that also.

if it's good for the overall game and is restricted to high sec pub matches i dont see much problem, especially if for the casual newb not to be scared off by KBM. the good players will hoepfully fight in more important battles someday, i dont see the divide carrying over to corp battles, would be pretty stupid if the divide was put into place for corp battles.

If you think a mouse is so superior, why you don't use one ?.... they are very cheap.

The only advantage i have with a mouse, is over 12 years of practice with it. Nothing more.