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Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.03.01 17:01:00 -
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I use the DS3 in my left hand, and mouse in my right hand. Which category i fit into ?
BTW, one of the things a find the most appealing about Dust 514 is the mouse. I normally don't play multiplayer shooter games in the console, only in PC.
Take that option away, and most likely i will end up playing Planetside 2 or CS;GO in my PC. |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.03.01 17:26:00 -
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Rustonius wrote:Awesome. No worries about splitting community. The kbm people will stop using it when they have to go up against other kbm people. They only like it now because of the advantage over most others.
Only kbm people can strafe exactly right to left while sprinting, something almost impossible on the controller, and even worse its nearly impossible to strafe and jump and keep cross hair on target. On gamepad you can't press x to jump without releasing camera control unless you use another finger but then you aren't firing gun with r1 which is also same hand.
In reality, I think kbm should be removed, the game client doesn't seem to be able to handle the movement updates available with kbm. Or your server side can't seem to update the client fast enough, making the user somewhat invincible, since you're always shooting empty air even though your client shows the guy in middle of your cross hair, but server obviously knows the guy wasn't their, since it didn't register hit/damage on opponent. I'm guessing that's more feasible then increasing the frequency of updates sent to clients.
KB/M appeals to PC gamer's, that other hows will never play a shooter in a console. That is something unique, that CCP will be a fool to ignore, just because some "Kids" can only use a DS3.
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Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.03.01 17:34:00 -
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Sobriety Denied wrote:they dont have to remove the old modes, they could make a new one with choice to go KBM or DS3
the only real reason i see ppl against this is they want to maintain their edge vs ppl with DS3s..
how is it breaking apart a community that is playing in random matches? why not just go do corp battles or w/e and maintain your sense of community? because you want to continue to "pwn stupid console gamers" with your KBM is my guess
If you think a mouse is so superior, why you don't use one ?.... they are very cheap.
The only advantage i have with a mouse, is over 12 years of practice with it. Nothing more. |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.03.01 17:42:00 -
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Rustonius wrote:strawman argument meet strawman, taking balance out of the equation makes the discussion worthless. Kain Spero wrote:This issue is not about balance. We can leave that for another discussion. This about not segregating the community based on the input someone chooses to use no matter how thoughtful or well intended that separation may be.
Agreed... sorry. |
Panther Alpha
Blueberries United
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Posted - 2013.03.01 23:41:00 -
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Is only one thing CCP needs to do ;
Remove the Aimbot from the mouse input. Simple solution that won't divide the community.
I using the mouse at the moment, and my accuracy with the mouse, combined with the Aimbot.... is a bit to much. |
Panther Alpha
Blueberries United
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Posted - 2013.03.02 00:04:00 -
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Priss N6FAA2813 wrote: Destroying the community ..............The game is gonna crash.......................... wooo gloom and doom(sarcasm) Because CCP plans on separating people who use the default hardware for a CONSOLE system(ds3) from people who want to use KBM a PC UI.......Thats funny listen to this garbage thread.
Go ahead CCP please segregate.You have my full support.
The PS3 supports KB/M ... so i say it is very much part of the console.
If you don't like it, send a E-mail to Sony and complaint about it. |
Panther Alpha
Blueberries United
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Posted - 2013.03.02 12:41:00 -
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I just going to ask this...
What about the Playstation Move Dual Controller ? you going to segregate that players too ?
What about DS3 / Move Controller ? those too ?
I hope you have enough servers to accommodate, all this different ways to play the game. |
Panther Alpha
Blueberries United
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Posted - 2013.03.02 18:49:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:CCP Cmdr Wang, if you give people the option to self segregate themselves by offering "a choice for players who want the option to play against other players using the same input device" then you are fostering segregation whole heartily. I don't care if you allow there to be mixed input matches or if the segregation is by choice. Trying to hide behind the fact that you would be giving players "more choices" is NO excuse. Any type of matchmaking that takes into account controller input puts the game on a very dangerous and very slippery slope. It endangers the sandbox and the community.
Please, I urge you not to continue down this path. This is coming from someone who loves this game and has been along for the ride with you all developing this game for almost a year now. Please reconsider this course of action. The freedom of inputs is one of this games most unique features and something that amazes me every time I play it. The fact that you have made a system where someone can start with a DS3 then switch to Mouse and keyboard, and then transition almost seamlessly to the Move and then back again is a great achievement. Don't cheapen this accomplishment by building walls among the player base in their very earliest moments in the game.
Sorry i have to quote this for truth.
That is spot on, i hope CCP reads this. |
Panther Alpha
Blueberries United
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Posted - 2013.03.02 20:06:00 -
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And that is spot on. Is not so much about the KB/M, but the experience that PC gamer's have in shooter games. CCP have the opportunity to get Pro's that will never play in a console, to think : Hmmm.... KB/M option ?.. I give it a try.
That is unique ..... and very rare. |
Panther Alpha
Blueberries United
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Posted - 2013.03.02 22:43:00 -
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BlG MAMA wrote:The reason why some of you dont want to have an filter for controller or kb/m only is because you are insecure and afraid of the other kb/m users that are better than you.
You want to have controller people on the field so you can be able to shoot and kill someone since you cant kill the other kb/m freaks that are better than you.
If you think you are such pros you should be glad you have competition .
ROFL...I been playing FPS in PC's for years, and i never stopped playing because other people are better than me. In fact i welcome the challenge , so i have to push my self harder. But we talking about "dividing the community"... so all that is very irrelevant. |
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Panther Alpha
Blueberries United
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Posted - 2013.03.02 23:41:00 -
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IRuby Heart wrote:200th reply, we did it people, we did it.
About time... I was running out of things to say. |
Panther Alpha
Blueberries United
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Posted - 2013.03.03 10:24:00 -
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So i guess none of you have ever hear about the PS3 Eagle Eye huh ?
Removing KB/M support, will only give PC gamer's even a BIGGEST advantage.
Seriously.... just fix the DS3 sensitivity, and every one will be happy. |
Panther Alpha
Blueberries United
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Posted - 2013.03.06 11:49:00 -
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You know what.... I have the solution.
Do two leagues.
Pro / Vet league - Everything goes, all control types, any ping.
Noob / Lazy league - Only DS3, only perfect Pings, and everything have to be bellow tier 1 equipment.
Problem solved.
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Panther Alpha
Blueberries United
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Posted - 2013.03.06 12:56:00 -
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Kray Dytt wrote:BlG MAMA wrote:Kray Dytt wrote:BlG MAMA wrote: If you like Kb/M so much you should play against Kb/M users , why play against the weak and disabled that dont use AURUM and Kb/M?
Adapt or die.
Adapt, as in, get a KB/M if you think that's so much better? Hmmm Also, you think CCP would seperate those who pay real money from those who don't, to lure in more people that don't pay money? Riiiiight :) Face it: if you're not paying real money, you're cannon-fodder meant to increase enjoyment and therefore willingness to spend cash for those who do i know and its sad I was of course exaggerating a bit here on the cannon-fodder part: you can be competitive without spending a dime. However, I was very serious when it comes to separating paying from non-paying players. The game can only exist if it generates revenue. While non-paying players can "help" the game by making it more enjoyable for paying players, separating them would defeat that purpose meaning they are only "leeching", CCP would have absolutely no reason to want them around.
You have no idea how F2P games work do you ?
Long term players will end up Buying for "something" at one point or another, but not every one wants to pay for an advantage in regular basics. Eg ;only Buying for cosmetics now and again.
But the long term players are the ones that keep the game alive, regardless of how much real cash they spend on it.
The two things are needed in a F2P game.... The long term player that doesn't spend cash in regular basics, and the casual player that pays cash in regular basics. |
Panther Alpha
Blueberries United
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Posted - 2013.03.06 13:56:00 -
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Kray Dytt wrote:
Not entirely true. To keep the game alive, a certain amount of revenue is required. While it is true that long-term players are important to the game, if they do not generate enough revenue, it's "game over".
Now, the goal of any F2P game is to make a profit. To do this, the game needs to encourage people to spend money on it. Not everyone has to spend money, but enough players need to spend enough to keep it going. Non-paying players have "value" because they add to the game's enjoyability, which leads to more players including players that do pay.
You getting confuse with Pay To Win games ( P2W ).
Free To Play games are about "Volume", the biggest the community, the highest is the revenue ( Profit ).
If you have to pay to win, the community is smaller, and the profit margin is also smaller. You have to encourage people to "play" the game, regardless if the pay or not.
It is a reason why more and more companies are using this marketing model. Because in the long term, it generates more profit than a Play to win model. |
Panther Alpha
Blueberries United
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Posted - 2013.03.06 16:04:00 -
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Stundryn wrote:xaerael Kabiel wrote: No, you're the one crying that you want to be a DS3 special snowflake.
It is balanced. Everyone can use the same hardware. If you choose to walk, don't complain the car got there first.
Working as intended.
Adapt or cry TT_TT
You have to pay extra for a kb/m. So if you want to have more control over your character you have to pay more. PTW? The ps3 allows the use of a kb/m but does not mean dust should be able to use it for gaming. Personally i won't play with a kb/m and if CCP does not disable them for everyone i will end up buying something like this. I'll be paying a little more to be better. My semi-autos will be auto etc. I'll express my interest in having a modded Dust controller. They will make them.
That is wrong in so many levels ......
You also have to pay extra for a TV, the biggest the TV, and the better the HD, the biggest the advantage i have ? so is Pay to Win then.....
What about my surround sound system ? .... that is definitely cheating .... i should be ban for that. |
Panther Alpha
Blueberries United
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Posted - 2013.03.07 08:46:00 -
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Stundryn wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Stundryn wrote:xaerael Kabiel wrote: No, you're the one crying that you want to be a DS3 special snowflake.
It is balanced. Everyone can use the same hardware. If you choose to walk, don't complain the car got there first.
Working as intended.
Adapt or cry TT_TT
You have to pay extra for a kb/m. So if you want to have more control over your character you have to pay more. PTW? The ps3 allows the use of a kb/m but does not mean dust should be able to use it for gaming. Personally i won't play with a kb/m and if CCP does not disable them for everyone i will end up buying something like this. I'll be paying a little more to be better. My semi-autos will be auto etc. I'll express my interest in having a modded Dust controller. They will make them. It's because of worthless terrible gamers like yourself also that games are getting so easy and so easy to exploit cheating, because God forbid you should work to succeed. Naaaaah, have buttons that do everything for you, so you don't have to worry about anything. You were probably one of those people that if you were on SOCOM, you cheated with Code 9. It's because of people like you that gaming is being destroyed. Actually this is my first console shooter. My ps3 came with a DS3 and Move. My ratio is 1.0+ Never played SOCOM but i see you are pretty emo about it. I have a decent PC and prefer it for shooters/Eve. However i bought a ps3 for this particular game. I find that my ps3 did not come with a keyboard or mouse. Only a DS3/Move. Yet i am seeing increased advantage to using kb/m to play on the ps3. So rather than using a kb/m that i prefer (cost nearly $200) . I will do the same thing and buy a controller that has an advantage for less money. If spending money is how one gets better then....i guess it is okay to spend money on better controllers. If they say i am cheating....so are all the kb/m users. The new kb/m can have key binds that are stored in memory. There is your rapid fire etc. CCP just needs to remove the kb/m input for Dust. Problem solved.
Out of curiosity, even is CCP remove KB/M support, how you planing to stop people from getting a modified DS3, or an Eagle Eye ? |
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