We all know the more ways that the community of active players splits the less matches will be available.

You can only split things into so many different small subgroups until there are few low quality matches available. We can barely get matches that are reliably split up into skill based groups.

segregation

seperate

It feels like talking to walls. Read dev post. Here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=590792#post590792
There is no bloody segregation, separation, game damaging, game destroying or nulcear bomb launching on dust. -.-

Just to repeat what Cmdr Wang said in the other thread, there is no intent to segregate players because of controller used, only for it to play a factor in matchmaking. Additionally, this only applies to high security public matches and does not apply to null sec or corp matches.

Like many other people have said ; If you feel the need to make any sort of changes to matchmaking, it indicates the input methods are not balanced. Currently, the bugs where turn speed limits were un-nerfed for mouse/keyboard, and the keyboard speed bug for armor tanks are really the only things that are imbalanced regarding the input methods.

Fix these, and there is no reason whatsoever to have any sort of filter or matchmaking changes because there will be no difference in performance other than player preference.

It's really that simple.

Like many other people have said ; If you feel the need to make any sort of changes to matchmaking, it indicates the input methods are not balanced. Currently, the bugs where turn speed limits were un-nerfed for mouse/keyboard, and the keyboard speed bug for armor tanks are really the only things that are imbalanced regarding the input methods.

Fix these, and there is no reason whatsoever to have any sort of filter or matchmaking changes because there will be no difference in performance other than player preference.

It's really that simple.

I ran an armor tank last night and it didn't instantly move at top speed in the indicated direction when I pressed "W" for forward or "S" for reverse, it took time to accelerate. Also, rotation speed on mouse look is capped based on suit type. If the heavy turned faster than what your used to seeing than he's most likely wearing a type 2 suit, or equivalent, which sacrifices armor for shield and higher mobility.

So with that information, from someone who actually went and tested for these bugs you speak of, the two problems you want fixed don't actually exist.

Then your not doing it right. Its a known bug and many armor tankers utilize this to their advantage. I know of at least 3 in imperfects and 1 in IE that do this. And I have seen other armor tanks doing the same.

I've been reading this thread up till now, and can summarize it this way:

DS3 users who are good players that get killed by any KB/M player: KB/M support is fine.
DS3 users who are bad players that get killed by DS3 users who are good players: BooHoo, there should be a ranking system. It's not fair that people who are better than me can play in the same matches.
DS3 users who are bad players that get killed by KB/M players: BooHoo, KB/M is unfair because I got shot by a KB/M player once and choose the reason for that to be the hardware, not the skill and experience of someone who's probably been playing FPSs since LONG before a console even got a sniff in at FPSs, and probably longer than I've even been alive.

The supremacy of KB/M or DS3 is imagined. My k/d is pretty much identical whether I use either (I admit, my KB/M rate is probably a bit higher, but that's because that is the control system I'm accustomed to primarily). I'm an oldschool FPSer (wolfenstein/doom/hexen casual, then right up to being a dominant player on the old barrysworld UK half-life 1 and quake 2 servers before I stepped away from competitive play for university and work) so I use a KB/M mainly because that's what I learned to FPS on.

The bottom line is: If you can't beat them, join them. Then you'll realize that it was just you sucking at the game.

The small print is: This isn't CoD97/MW246-2/generic army shooter 124. Different strokes. You're playing an FPS plug-in to the most sandboxey of sandbox games. If you're upset about control inputs, You're likely to kill yourself when the game is fully integrated, and someone relieves your corp of it's leet gears.

Finally!!! Someone who gets it!

Can i join point out

CS:GO

Attempted to put KB/M and controllers together

and in that game in EVERY situation KB/M won
even when they put the pros against the lowest ranking team (within reason)
KB/M won against controllers

also i find after playing dust all other fps games are eazy mode x100

what a shocker

Yeah , someone who gets it , wrong , again , all that text with no substance in it , sounds like a politician , all talk no substance and drones gets impressed.

Flight sticks give an advantage in flight games. Flight games were originally created with these in mind.

Steering wheels give an advantage in racing games. Racing games were originally created with these in mind.

Arcade sticks give an incredible advantage in most fighting games (especially 2d). Obviously, they were born in arcades, so they were made with the stick in mind.

None of these communities ban the control methods or limit their use during competitive play. If anything, they encourage their community to embrace them because it leads to an overall better gaming experience at higher levels.

So why is the console FPS community the only one who is so entirely justified that alternate control methods be banned or segregated? I think the situation is being over thought by the developers who are all too tempted to giving in to lazy players who lack any real exposure to serious competitive gaming.

Sorry. Did I use long words that you had to look up? Or are you such a bad player that you can't man up and acknowledge that someone who's probably been playing FPSs longer than you've been alive is better than you. My PS3 is identical to your PS3. It's not like I'm using modification or hacks, and trying to justify actual cheating, so labeling my comment as politicization is stupid.

There's no unfairness. It's not like some people have exclusive use of one control method either like the problems that are claimed to have arose during the halo x-over (which were more focused on the fact that PC FPSers were using far higher resolutions and better hardware resulting in higher frames per second, resulting in far more accurate play, so that argument was a pretty bad one to use). Everyone has a level playing field.

But really, what next? disable HDMI because some people are still running on old fat-TVs? Throttle server-client kbpm because some people are on slower internet providers? If you ask me, these two factors are far more impacting on quality of play, but you don't hear them weeping about it on a daily basis. Man up and learn to play properly.

Do not separate by controller type; you will destroy the game community.