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No I dont think the community should be split based on controller type.

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KB/M appeals to PC gamer's, that other hows will never play a shooter in a console. That is something unique, that CCP will be a fool to ignore, just because some "Kids" can only use a DS3.

they dont have to remove the old modes, they could make a new one with choice to go KBM or DS3

the only real reason i see ppl against this is they want to maintain their edge vs ppl with DS3s..

how is it breaking apart a community that is playing in random matches? why not just go do corp battles or w/e and maintain your sense of community? because you want to continue to "pwn stupid console gamers" with your KBM is my guess

If you think a mouse is so superior, why you don't use one ?.... they are very cheap.

The only advantage i have with a mouse, is over 12 years of practice with it. Nothing more.

strawman argument meet strawman, taking balance out of the equation makes the discussion worthless.

Please edit your post as this is the part on topic.

There's no segregation going on. Every PS3 comes bundled with a DS3 so everyone can play together if they want to. Except for those who don't want to.

I see no problem here.

Sorry telc but I cant because I believe its all part of the whole idea. This is whats going through peoples heads when they are considering this. The only reason people would consider splitting them is because of the obvious advantages you get with the KBM that have yet to be addressed. For this reason there may be some who agree that KBM and DS3 should be separated. If there was no difference other than input preference (and the usual mouse is more accurate than a pad) then this would not even be discussed. Its the fact that there are these problems that some will even consider this as a solution.

I posted what I did because people need to see the forest for the trees as well. If you instantly thought oh this is a good idea but then realize that the only reason you think that is because of the issue of balance then you realize that no you dont want a split you want the KBM fixed. Like I said taking out KBM would be the best and simplest solution but I dont care either way as long as it gets balanced.

Eve and New Eden has always been about 1 shard, 1 universe. Seperating players by controller type dramatically departs from that. What happens if Dust 514 comes out on PC? What if Dust then comes out on another console down the line?

We should never consider segregating the community based on input. If CCP wants to use battle stats to pit more experienced and higher skilled players against each other to make sure new players don't get pub stomped that's fine. Creating an artificial wall in the gaming community because of the input are using is wrong.

While I do agree that splitting the community in any way is a poor idea, if that is what it takes for me to not have my mouse sensitivity crushed even lower its a pill I'm willing to swallow. This game already feels extremely sluggish with kbam and I'd debate quitting if it got worse.

That being said, this is going to make pub games even less representative of the corp battle experience. In less "serious business" corps players who first step into corp battles are more likely to be immediately discouraged than they are now. And as I'm sure you all know that corp battles are already significantly different. Because while number of users who use controllers likely vastly outweigh kbam users I would agree with the sentiment that it is easier to be good with kbam than a controller. From there I would argue that the average skill level of each group would not be equivalent. I feel like some players are going to feel cheated or overly frustrated if they go from a solidly positive kdr in pub matches to a solidly negative one in corp matches. I'm pretty sure this is already going to be a problem and splitting the community is only going to male it worse.

Anyway its a bit rambling and probably poorly typed because I'm on my phone, but there are my two cents.

Long as my corporation isn't seperated when going into matchmaking, go for it.

I destroy controller users daily. Without your auto aim you'd never have a chance.

Long as my corporation isn't seperated when going into matchmaking, go for it.

I destroy controller users daily. Without your auto aim you'd never have a chance.

Long as my corporation isn't seperated when going into matchmaking, go for it.

I destroy controller users daily. Without your auto aim you'd never have a chance.

I would agree to take it out completely. if you want a KBM setup go play on your damn computer. clearly there is a huge disadvantage to DS3 player's. while i have used a KBM setup before and there's a huge accuracy improvement i won't keep using it. not everyone would like to sit up right holding a mouse and keyboard to play a console game. For me it's a console game not a computer, so use DS3 and make it fair. maybe those people at the top of leaderboard's won't be so good anymore eh

Didn't all the KB/M people QQ when their turn speed was reduced once though?

The way I see it both sides will NEVER agree on a balance. Because each side will always be biased to their side.

But I honestly don't see separating the 2 would work at all.

Should have just made this game DS3 only.... Would have squashed the debate there >.> (I mean honestly it's the reason most console games don't allow KB/M support)

Go explain to protoman how he is nerfed because he uses the controller.

Off topic discussion and will derail the thread.