The only thing really bothers me from other players is when someone joins a match, and then doesn't show up to play.

There were quite a few corp players in the pub match and I knew it was going to be a close battle since both teams had good players. I also was kind of expecting a good performance from Kain to help us balance the tide against the Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunters.

It's clear that Kain Spero was just joining pub matches to get sp before the downtime, with no intention of playing the games he joined.

I understand the temptation, even more so tonight with the weekly cap reset at the upcoming downtime there is a lot of speculation that there is a 24 hour period to get your 200k WP before the weekly reset (bonus week of active SP if you can play ~20 matches today). However the pursuit of better skills should never cloud your decency as a player in the community.

Being bad in a match excusable, taking other people gear is excusable, but leeching a match for more SP and ISK, at the expense of all the other players on your team is in my opinion pretty inexcusable. Players obsession with getting the most SP possible to be the best players is an attitude that seems really central to Dust and more specifically the Imperfects. It is mostly a good thing it breeds high end competition, however when players start to do things like this to gain those advantages it hurts the Dust community.

I know Kain is really popular around here, and he does a lot for the Dust community, I guess I just hope this serves as a point to how even the best players can be ****** if the pursuit of more skills is to great.

It's simple, don't leech. If you accept a match even a pub match I feel like there is some obligation to at least play in that match. If you leech matches for more sp and isk you look bad, and so does your corporation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b-9StuE_Os&feature=youtu.be

[Just uploaded the raw video first 20 seconds show the leeching, no audio as I was not expecting to be recording]

*To the inevitable why where you in the MCC*

-As you can see from my score I was playing the match, after I died I checked the score real quick and noticed Kain had 0 WP, I then spawned in the MCC to see if he was in fact just leeching the match. That's when I hit record.

Blame CCP for their 5 SP per second in battle (or whatever it is at after the weekly cap was implemented yesterday).

no way. blame him. how dare u try to put it on CCP.

Not kains style he could have hardlocked or crashed this seems more like an attempt to generate drama using q popular and well known member of community I doubt this event even happend tbh

????? I'm confused. DONT blame CCP for a game mechanic they set up and anyone with half a brain could take advantage of? Why? I'm confused.

And even if Kain was recorded doing this it's probably because of IRL circumstance or was busy elsewhere. If it was anyone else who isn't trying to be an active leader of the Dust community this thread may of gained some ground with me - but there's really no way I'll believe Kain is purposely trying to ruin pubbies good times when he's one of the advocates of expanding dust.

If you are suggesting that Kain had intended to play the match. Waited to get into the match, picked the spawn point and pressed X, then in the next 10 seconds between his spawn, and being able to move his character something came up to occupy him for the next 25 minutes it sounds pretty far-fetched. Your love for the guy means you will believe what you will and I understand that. Just realize that it's by far the least likely explanation for what happened here. If he didn't spawn in I would be more likely to agree you might be correct.

What if this guy just had to take a flaming dump and thought he would be back in time?

If you continue to catch him doing it then by all means continue to smear him by posting these threads - I love a good reason to troll. But it's not my love for anyone that I say what I say, it's a fact he's done more then most. You're posting an assumption with little detail other then, "He spawned then went afk." Did you send him a message asking why? Or did you just go a head and make this thread pointing it out for everyone to see?

You're right to say he's popular around here. For good reason. so if you want to smear him you need something concrete, not a single pub match.

Well in this case I think it did cost us our match, and I took notice. it's the risk you take if you decide to leech.

The 24 hour window to make 300,000 SP is what I believe caused people to leech. I wouldn't expect that Kane leeched before, or would again because the incentive to do so is now gone.

I want to bring attention to how even the best people in the community will make bad calls when given a hard set of circumstances. Make my limited term SP by leeching a few matches I don't have time to play to stay at the highest levels of competition.

It probably wouldn't have effected the battle, and nobody would have probably really taken that much notice. It's not that hard to justify leeching.

Well in this case I think it did cost us our match, and I took notice. it's the risk you take if you decide to leech.

CONCORD to investigate Kane Spero for theft of services? http://tinyurl.com/bgcd8no

If you continue to catch him doing it then by all means continue to smear him by posting these threads - I love a good reason to troll. But it's not my love for anyone that I say what I say, it's a fact he's done more then most. You're posting an assumption with little detail other then, "He spawned then went afk." Did you send him a message asking why? Or did you just go a head and make this thread pointing it out for everyone to see?

You're right to say he's popular around here. For good reason. so if you want to smear him you need something concrete, not a single pub match.

Pub matches are all 90% of the community plays. To dismiss them is really pretty arrogant.

That said the article is a bit sensational, I'm not sure how I feel. I kind of wanted to bring some attention to the issue of elite level players scamming in game mechanics for further advantages. Now I don't know what I started.

At least with redline snipers they are trying, and they may actually think they are helping... That's another story.

I expect one thing from all players, they will actually play the game and try to help the team in some way. To be honest I am more bothered by the fact that one of the elite level players is leeching pub matches to stay ahead of me in SP, while at the same time hindering my gameplay by taking a man off my side of the battlefield. That bothers me a lot more than this specific loss.

Do you know what was he doing at home when this "leeching" happened? No one is immune to real-world obligations while playing Dust. Kain could easily be asked by a family member to do something urgent, something more important than playing a petty pub match.

So if a blueberry does it, who gives a **** right? But if Kain does it OH **** the world will end!!!!!!

Pub matches are all 90% of the community plays. To dismiss them is really pretty arrogant.

That said the article is a bit sensational, I'm not sure how I feel. I kind of wanted to bring some attention to the issue of elite level players scamming in game mechanics for further advantages. Now I don't know what I started.

OP, was it really your attention to attack someone who spends time and money trying to make this community better for everyone just so you could point out one pub match? 100 leechers combined wouldn't be as **** as what you've just started.

When a known member of an active corp is leeching sp I think it probably needs to be looked at. It's going to have some level of impact on the game in the future. My goal is not to smear anyone, to be honest I probably wouldn't have even noticed an afk member if I didn't know who they were. It's because he was Kain that I checked his score. If it were any other player I knew well enough to expect something out of and they let me down that badly in a match their name would have been posted just as readily.

At the point that it's unfair to hold him to a higher standard. It's that higher standard that made me take notice so I suppose you are right in that regard.

I will not feel bad for posting a video of what I experienced in a game. I had no grude against Kane, I only took note because it was a player I expected to help our side. If it were any other well known players It would have been the same story different person. If it was a nobody I wouldn't have even noticed they didn't show up to be honest.

You are just trying to smear him. Admit it.

Also he's not "leeching" sp. his actions aren't directly causing you to earn less. Besides he makes what, 5K sp for sitting idle for a fair while. It's not like he gets some huge unfair advantage.

And how do you know he didn't hard freeze or something? It's full of bugs and exploits and we're MEANT to exploit them that's why it's in beta.

So he is not leeching he is just farming 5k a match while not playing, which is not an unfair advantage.

Then he hard froze, and also he was meant to exploit so it's fine. You just seem kind of desperate to defend the actions to be honest.

If it didn't have a name you knew attached you wouldn't of recorded. This topic is now over. I thought you wanted a resolution to an issue - but now you've made it clear you would of trashed anyone with name around here just because they're known.

There is a "Leave Battle" option.

Are you telling me also that this important stuff happened to come about exactly when he was spawning and before he dove out of the MCC, something that would take 2 seconds at most to happen?

And even if all that had happened in that exact moment, i'd like to think that someone as prominent in this game's community would understand that leaving the battle and thus making room for another player would be the sensible choice. Having a player down the whole battle isn't something anyone wants to deal with.

I'd like to see if it was a nobody player doing this on your match, how would you feel? How about a whole squad sitting on the MCC? What would you think of them? "Oh well, we need to understand, we don't have the whole picture, they're probably attending to something important".

If you reread the post it's pretty clear I said I would not have even noticed an afk player leeching if it wasn't a name I checked to see how they were doing in the match. I don't normally check other players in a match below the 11 slot since I can't see them without scrolling. It was the fact that it's a know solid player that put me in a position to check his score. For that reason It's true I would only have posted a known player here, not out of hatred for known players, but by the reason I don't check players I've never heard of before on the leaderboards.

@ Sota Pop

I don't think a reputation should make you a target, and I don't think it should make you impervious to other people calling you out. I did only noticed him on my team because he had a well known reputation, that is the reason I checked his score when we were losing the match. Did his reputation mean I noticed when he did it yes, unfair yes I admit, but like I said I don't check the score of randoms which is why I don't take notice of random leechers. It's not like I went into the match saying how can I make Kane look bad, I was honestly excited he was on my team.

I don't think I made a mistake posting the video because like I said I don't think your reputation should also make you impervious to being accountable for your actions at the end of the day.

If it was a random, would you have still recorded it and made a thread about it?

The fact is, SP farming is done by many people and yet no one ever makes a thread about them but if a well known player does it then hell, we need to doom him to the deepest parts of hell.

Also why don't you understand that this is a beta. I would rather he farms SP now and CCP changes it, than have him farm SP once the game releases.

I've posted too much on this lol

It really isn't a big deal - doubt Kain will care. You may not understand repercussions but it's fine. A lot of us really don't care for pub matches. That may upset many - but blame CCP. We're forced to play in those matches wether we like it or not if we're to progress. What would you prefer, because if a squad of imperfects went AFK as red berries to you - pretty sure you wouldn't be complaining about a loss of fun. And many of us are on level with the destruction they sow out - and we're bored.

We're - so - damn - bored. New game modes please.

I've posted too much on this lol

It really isn't a big deal - doubt Kain will care. You may not understand repercussions but it's fine. A lot of us really don't care for pub matches. That may upset many - but blame CCP. We're forced to play in those matches wether we like it or not if we're to progress. What would you prefer, because if a squad of imperfects went AFK as red berries to you - pretty sure you wouldn't be complaining about a loss of fun. And many of us are on level with the destruction they sow out - and we're bored.

We're - so - damn - bored. New game modes please.

This is a big deal, unless you don't have the capability to express care towards others. Regardless of how you view public matches, many people are playing these just to have fun and you are hindering that by "leeching" for lack of a better term. And while CCP can certainly take measures to prevent this from happening, I know there intention wasn't for people to "leech" and ruin others' experience so I won't blame them, I will blame the people who's intention was to "leech."

Also you are not "forced to play in those matches." That is why passive skill points exists. If you don't have to time to play as much as others than don't complain that you can't keep up with them. And the whole "we're bored" excuse is extremely poor.

If you are to bored to be bothered to play the game, here is an idea take a break from the game. If you are only drudging through the gameplay for SP why are you even playing the game if you don't enjoy it?

Here is a great example of what you should not do. Decide you are to bored or to busy to play the game, and then pretend to play the game while not playing the game so you can get more rewards. See that makes you an ******* to the people you hurt who want to play the game and take public matches seriously. For the vast majority of current Dust players Pub matches are the only thing that matters.

To be clear a full squad afk on the other team would also make me sad because I prefer to have good battles, ones where every player who signs up wants to fight and win.

Awesome, great, you have an opinion. Now here's another. I want SP.

Seems we collide :)

Fair enough, seems like we finally understand each other.

I want SP as well, but not enough to play if I don't feel like playing, or leeching matches for those who are saying that's just being smart. My SP shouldn't come at the expense of my own enjoyment or that of others.

Awesome, great, you have an opinion. Now here's another. I want SP.

Seems we collide :)

And this is exactly why I tend to stray away from MMO's. People don't play to have fun, they play to unlock stuff. And it ultimately reflects in the gameplay.

There is no need to accuse people of "crying" because they have a different opinion than you as you did in a few responses earlier. I am however not sure you are seeing the bigger picture here - things escalate. Right now it's not uncommon to find one player each match who is AFK for free skill points. It's not that big a deal presently because one player doesn't make or break a 16 man team (that still doesn't make it right). However, if we let this become acceptable behavior then soon more and more people will start doing it until eventually you may have half your team AFK which is pretty significant, or worse every time you queue up for a public match the majority of people on both teams are AFK - sure it may be fair if both teams have the same number of skill point padders but playing with half the player count is not nearly as fun as the full thing, too bad some people don't care about "fun" any more.

Also you are not "forced to play in those matches." That is why passive skill points exists. If you don't have to time to play as much as others then don't complain that you can't keep up with them. And the whole "we're bored" excuse is extremely poor.

The reason why I think this is even an issue was because yesterday had an effective daily cap of 280,000SP. Anyone who hit the daily cap or weekly cap normally didn't have any reason to leech. The people who wanted max SP were met with their first real incentive to leech yesterday.

@ Irish Syn

SoTa PoP is just mad that you are having fun playing the game and he is only doing it to increase a number at a self confessed great personal boredom.

Hes also a pretty big troll around here at times so you need to poke him with a stick sometimes so he gets back under the bridge.

Ok, and what is your point? "I want SP and I want it now! I don't want others to get ahead of me even if I don't have the same amount of time to invest as them, therefore I will go AFK in public matches at the expense of everyone else so I can keep up."

Yeah, that's a very strong point to make.

I love how you are making a bit deal out of this.


It's a pub match. It is meaningless of the highest kind. Winning or losing does not matter in the slightest.


People do this because of the cap. Even if it's not a daily cap, it's still a cap. The only thing a cap really does is limit overall progression, but also has the nasty side effect of preventing anyone who misses time from catching up at all.


I do this all the time as well, because more often than not I'm too busy doing other stuff to actually play. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this, because people AFK'ing in the MCC are actually getting considerably less ISK and SP than someone who plays the whole match legit.

There's no reason to make a big deal out of something that isn't really an issue.

Things can just come up. I know there was an incident last night that came up with me. I dropped down at the beginning of a skirmish and my 4 month old wakes up screaming. If you think I'm not going to immediately drop the controller and sooth her you're insane.

Great way to ignore your horrible argument so far and summarize it for us <3

Now, make sure to throw in how incredibly jealous you lose when people go afk in your games, but I do fine in mine. Don't even notice if they do <3 *pets his hmg*

Fair enough, seems like we finally understand each other.

I want SP as well, but not enough to play if I don't feel like playing, or leeching matches for those who are saying that's just being smart. My SP shouldn't come at the expense of my own enjoyment or that of others.

EDIT:

I fully understand my stance puts me at a serious disadvantage in the Dust world, and accept that.

Saying an argument is weak followed by no counter argument plus an insult and finishing with self praise. You are doing it right

And for the records, I can hold my own when outmatched as well. Doesn't mean everyone can.

Look, I understand why you have the opinion you do. It is helping the said player to get better fittings to help his or her corporation gain a strong foothold in New Eden. It is still a selfish move. Yes, corporations can become very serious business, but it should never come at the expense of someone else (other than the corps getting destroyed, of course )

CCP will surely put in a system to kick players leeching anyways, not like any of our arguments matter. Just a nice way to expose the integrity level of some people. Carry on.

So, people should never use tanks, because other people getting stomped by tanks is not enjoyable for them?

That;s a horrible parallel, but it makes about as much sense as people complaining about this.


You say you're playing for fun : But you're complaining that people aren't helping you win. That's contradicting itself right there. There is absolutely no reason to take pub matches seriously. If you're really playing for your own enjoyment, what someone else is doing should not matter to you in the slighest. Do you complain about brand new and/or bad players who can't get a kill and just go like 0/15 for the round, doing nothing but feed the enemy kills and clone your team out?

You're trying to take the high road here where there really isn't one.

People AFK'ing in the MCC get like half the SP/ISK of someone actually playing. It takes more time AFKing to even come close to what you earn by playing the game. You can call it however negatively you want. You're still never going to be surpassed by someone who's AFK'ing in the MCC if you actually play the game. It's a nonissue.


Take me for example : I've been really busy doing other StuffTM the past few weeks since the reset/daily cap. Playing normally I'd never have enough time to hit the cap every day and still get my other stuff done. This would mean that I would be 'behind' in the progression scheme of things, and no amount of grinding when I actually do have time to play would ever allow me to catch up. That's the biggest problem with the caps right now. But by AFK'ing for a few hours/day, I've been able to cap out every day without worrying about needing to finish my own stuff.


I'd wager a lot of ISK that is what Kain was afking for similar reason. He has 'more important' things to do related to dust than actually playing the game.

To those of you making a big deal out of this, one question:

So you've NEVER abused any of the broken mechanics in Dust? Not even once? Because if you have, you really have no ground to stand on here.

You have never:
-Used old Swarm Launcher spam to kill infantry
-Used a Heavy when they were "Invincible"
-Used a Scout when they were so fast and hit detection was so poor they couldn't be shot
-Dropship crushing
-Camped a Spawn when we all spawned in the same spots
-Used the old remote explosives
-Used AV grenades when they worked as mines
-Sniped w/ head glitch
-Repair tool farmed
-Used the old missiles from Dropships, LAVs, or Tanks
-Used the old Railgun Turrets
-Used 2 or more Damage Mods (yes, currently broken mechanic, no stacking penalty)
-Camped under an MCC in a red-line match
-Spammed Thukkers
-Camped a supply depot to maintain ammo and switch out quick for full health
-Etc, Etc...

Yes, I realize some of these are "debatable" as broken mechanics, but all of them ruined the game for 1 or more people. And, barring head glitch, damage mods, and camping supply depots, all of them have since been fixed because people discovered and abused them.

So Kain may or may not have abused a currently broken mechanic...so what? The hard truth is that at one time or another, we all have.

Since you actually admit to AFK'ing matches for hours on end to get SP it's safe to say you are kind of a parasite on the game. You are not entitled to SP, and your attitude about it is beyond rotten. Imagine how **** the game would be if 50% of the community treated the game with as little respect as you do, oh we got 7 players on our team actually playing, sweet. Public matches would be beyond a joke for the 90% of players who really care about each match they play. SP Is a reward for playing the game, not a thing you deserve even if you can't play.

Would you like to know what I do, while I AFK in the MCC?

I do things on the forums, I work on spreadsheets for overall balance feedback, I talk in channels to give people help and advice to get them started in dust. I work as a middleman to help corps get in touch with each other. I spend a horrendous amount of time saying the same things over and over on IRC for people who didn't hear them the first time (Things CCP has said on IRC or on the forums, etc) And then there's my real life job.

I could go on, but I think it's safe to say that I make a more positive contribution to dust by 'not playing' , than I would if I were to just sit there and no-life.

You can call me a parasite if you like, but before you make such statements, know that there are very few players out there who have devoted as much time to helping make dust more awesome as I have. (I know that sounds a little conceited and e-peenish, but it was not meant to be) I only bring this up because you have the gall to suggest I do not respect the game or the people who play it. :(

Would you like to know what I do, while I AFK in the MCC?

I do things on the forums, I work on spreadsheets for overall balance feedback, I talk in channels to give people help and advice to get them started in dust. I work as a middleman to help corps get in touch with each other. I spend a horrendous amount of time saying the same things over and over on IRC for people who didn't hear them the first time (Things CCP has said on IRC or on the forums, etc) And then there's my real life job.

I could go on, but I think it's safe to say that I make a more positive contribution to dust by 'not playing' , than I would if I were to just sit there and no-life.

You can call me a parasite if you like, but before you make such statements, know that there are very few players out there who have devoted as much time to helping make dust more awesome as I have. (I know that sounds a little conceited and e-peenish, but it was not meant to be) I only bring this up because you have the gall to suggest I do not respect the game or the people who play it. :(

First im amazed others imps have not come in and hijacked this thread already. Kudos to them because if it's one thing you don't want to do its **** on Kane. Really you can troll or call anyone else out and we'd probably be like well he deserved it and troll them too. But Kane big mistake.


First off you make a post on "EVIDENCE." What evidence? You sir would be the worlds crappiest scientist or detective. You indict a person baed on ONE SINGLE MATCH. What you have is a theory and PROOF OF NOTHING.

Did you email him and ask WTF?

Did you in any way try to find out if this was occuring all day?

Did you write a post asking others if they had noticed "players(generic not specific)" if they had noticed an increase in AFK for the day?


The last question is probably the most important because if you truly cared more about the exploit and less about smearing a player you wouldnt have suggested creating a "shame list" and you damn well would made inquires of the prevalence of AFK SP farming instead of just assuming it existed. We know it exists only based on player posts who say they'd do it, but how many people witnessed it actually occuring yesterday? You didn't even bother to ask.


Conclusion you're aim was to smear a really stand up dude with little to no evidence under the guise of hey im just trying to point out an exploit that needs to be addressed.

You have nothing more to go on and no legs to stand on. Fact that you ASSUMED he was AFKing for hard cap. Never mind that the hard cap was bugged for a crap ton of players yesterday and not everyone was reaching 285,600 before hitting soft cap. (CCP explanation as to why is just wrong since i capped everyday this past week and earned close to 190+K before reaching cap and i use bosster, so thats still way over the 40K i should have earned).


Instead you don't go after a prominent player you go after a player who is the CEO of IMPs who has alway been under a microscope because of it and always being met with scrutiny for it DESPITE how IMPARTIAL he truly is in developing the DUST Community.

He organize a tourney, tells imps can't play impswarm can. Few days later sorry can't let impswarm play it may create too much caos and suspicion that it will be IMP alts playing and i want this tourney to go off without issue for the COMMUNITY.

He writes a post informing the COMMUNITY that CB are effecting FW TODAY. Yea didn't let that one slide under the radar either he made sure the CEO's were aware of this given the fragile nature of the EVE environment right now so as to not create an undue backlash on Dust players playing CB's willy nilly and just screwing around in them for fun which meant real consequences EVE side.


This is a guy who gives and gives more of his time to the Community than his own corp(not a bad thing, we get it and appreciate his passion for these games). Which is why to even suggest he'd AFK farm with little to no proof other than ONE ******* GAME!!!! is utter BS, this guy has more integrity than the entire game population combined and his sense of fairness to others even at the expense of his own corp is one of the many reasons why you just plain effed up on this.


As for Duster's Blog you are just straight up trash and im going to find a way to troll the bejesus out your blog, and if i figure out who are in game TK's will be quick and often; something i'll probably be told by Kane to stand down on and not inflame the situation any further. Yea probably just figured out why IMPs aren't all over this. Though i hope kane doesnt let it go.

Oh and IF it is True, id imagine kane fessing up to it and issuing an apology directly to you, cause again thats how stand up he is.


But i believe he wasnt AFK farming and likely something occurred cause i know exactly how busy that guy is and how many plates he's got spinning.

Would you like to know what I do, while I AFK in the MCC?

I do things on the forums, I work on spreadsheets for overall balance feedback, I talk in channels to give people help and advice to get them started in dust. I work as a middleman to help corps get in touch with each other. I spend a horrendous amount of time saying the same things over and over on IRC for people who didn't hear them the first time (Things CCP has said on IRC or on the forums, etc) And then there's my real life job.

I could go on, but I think it's safe to say that I make a more positive contribution to dust by 'not playing' , than I would if I were to just sit there and no-life.

You can call me a parasite if you like, but before you make such statements, know that there are very few players out there who have devoted as much time to helping make dust more awesome as I have. (I know that sounds a little conceited and e-peenish, but it was not meant to be) I only bring this up because you have the gall to suggest I do not respect the game or the people who play it. :(

... This is what all the rage is about?

Why didn't anyone ***** when those Hellstorm guys weren't firing at one another in a pub match, despite being on different teams?

I mean, really; friendly fire isn't on so what does an entire team do when a QUARTER of their members decides to play counter-spy for the enemy team?

Just saying.

I read this whole post and I must say this...Deadeyes STFU. I swear every post I see of yours has the word "leech" In It. And you keep coming back with the same excuse, over and over. I sat and read this for about 30 mins and by now I really want to slap you In the face. But hey! You may be right. But please do us all a favor and give more concrete evidence. Because I'm having a hard time believing a nobody who wants attention, and is a narc, than Kain who has done stuff for this game that you could never do.

Sorry I am breaking my rule about not posting but I think I need to reply to this regardless of what Kain says.

I didn't treat Kain any differently than anyone else. If it was a person in a Corporation and their AFK lost me a really close match I am going to call them out on it. The fact that AFK matches took place during that 24 hour period that rewarded large sums of SP that would be otherwise unearnable was enough for me personally to find motive.

I didn't assume its Kain he is guilty or it's Kain he's innocent I don't know the guy that well. I drew the conclusion based on what I saw and the timing of the incident.

To you this is a great offense because of who he is, to me he is just another guy. If I see him doing crap I'm going to call him out on it. He has not build an aura of infallibility in my eyes. Like you said any other name and it would have been fine for you to accept as truth. To me he is just another person.

Again where is your proof that this was occuring in mass during this 24 hour period. You offer up kane in a single game as PROOF of this being WIDESPREAD.

Where are your inquires into other players doing this. For that matter where are your inquiries that he was AFK beyond this one match. You see the difference, im not calling you out on trashing kane per se, well i am but im calling you out on your methodology. You take this one isolated incident and i guess the posts that of others saying they would exploit the Sp system to AFK farm, but beyond this one incident you dont have anything to back it up.

Nice try deflecting but my point still stands.

1) If it didn't have a name you knew attached you wouldn't of recorded. This topic is now over. I thought you wanted a resolution to an issue - but now you've made it clear you would of trashed anyone with name around here just because they're known.

2) We're forced to play in those matches wether we like it or not if we're to progress.

3) You need to quit with the tears. Half your statement makes perfect sense, but that second half made you seem like every other idiot who thinks there opinion matters more then facts.

And we view this differently. If blue berries go AFK I don't cry. It's just more kills for me. If it's ruining your experience you're probably just not good enough to make a difference for your team.

1) I do this all the time as well, because more often than not I'm too busy doing other stuff to actually play. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this, because people AFK'ing in the MCC are actually getting considerably less ISK and SP than someone who plays the whole match legit .

2) People AFK'ing in the MCC get like half the SP/ISK of someone actually playing. It takes more time AFKing to even come close to what you earn by playing the game. You can call it however negatively you want. You're still never going to be surpassed by someone who's AFK'ing in the MCC if you actually play the game. It's a nonissue.

It is a bit upsetting to see many people sharing the general opinion that it doesn't matter what happens during public matches because their outcome means nothing

you people dont understand anything, even ii was forced to try to leech sp. yesterday it felt like i was being forced to play because of trying to get sp b4 reset, i wanted to get off sooo bad but i couldn't. also Kain does so much while he plays, i dont even see how he can manage RL stuff at the same time when playing Dust the guy is awesome. Who cares about not trying to win a pub match. We have to carry the team ourselves anyway maybe he wanted to see how you guys did lol

leave it up to randoms to try to find any flaw in the imperfects

1) RL. Nobody cares if John Smith got his wife to take 3 points on his licence to avoid a driving ban, now if its an MP on the other hand all over the natonial news. If you put yourself in a public position you should expect to be called out on everything you do good or bad, if you dont like it, dont go public. simples.

2) well what you waiting in the MCC for then F()*^^&*g PLAY but noone is forcing you, you can choose to press the on/off button on your PS3. You dont need to be the highest sp player to progress, you will still progress playing the 1 match a week you're RL time allows without ruining other peoples fun.

3) Take you own advice none of your statements so far in this thread make sence to anyone but spoilt little brats who want everything and give nothing. You are imposing your opinion all over this thread. And how are you going to make a difference for your team hiding "AFK" in the MCC





1) why dont you log off and never log back on if stuff is so boring, doesnt matter what game modes are invented you are playing an FPS if shooting people bores you so much find another game to exploit.
They are ruining the experience for everybody else! if pub matches are meaningless to you stay out, oh year you cannot because you need the SP therefore they are not meaningless could you get anymore confusing?. Bet you're one of those guys who runs home to Mummy with his ball because the other kids didnt pass to you. If i cannot have fun playing im damn sure going to spoil it for everyone else. what a brat

2) So its acceptable for me to come round to your house and rob you of $10K worth of equipment? My justification is "that guy over there robbed 1 million from the guy next door, my crime is small in comparision so should be ignored"

Theft = Theft
Exploiting = Exploiting

Doesn't matter how its spun its never right, beta or not anyone exploiting an exploit more than twice should be perma banned. Once the time you didnt know it was an exploit, Twice to test it was actually and exploit and not something you imagined and thrice to prove its repeatable before reporting to CCP at this point let CCP fix it and stop exploiting a known exploit.




+1 its much more than a bit upsetting though. why is their so many people not willing to play for fun anymore.

imho, WHO CARES. im sorry but im sure this thread is something much more detrimental to the Dust community than what one well known great player MAY or MAY NOT have done in a match. Im sure him not being there during the match wasnt the one single reason the pub was lost for your team. Im sure there were another 14 other blueberries there that could have been equally to blame for not performing well, i could be wrong but whatever. Win or lose a pub or a corp match, as long as YOU are playing , then your still benefitting. you got your SP and ISK and got to practice against a good team, so whats the deal?

I leeched allllllll last night and hit the 280,000 cap. I also played a game at 1 am with kain last night where we went 16 kills in a forge gun and I didn't notice it was kain untill I jumped in a fancy colored LAV. When I wasn't sitting in the MCC I was testing how many places my scout with AUR speed mods could jump too, why should I fight every game?

I played some games not others, its not my fault or his ccp made a dumb bug that made no lifting the only way to get yesterdays sp. And I still don't think ccp thinks they made a mistake

Also why do you care ? There is no reward for winning a match and nothing to lose from not winning. Also why do you care how other choose to spend their time testing a bets. Yeah becuase we stent playing a game we are testing it. You could of Sat in the MCC too.

Ccp choose to make sitting in the MCC give out 8,000 sp, they bugged the cap letting people get 600,000 sp last week. But overall its kinda creepy you singled him out over a game with no incentive to win outside corp battles. Not to mention how it shoupdnt be throwing badasses like kain or myself into matches with newberries in the 1st place.

Suck it up last night was special. At least he wasn't redzone sniping.

Also again you lost 0 sp and 0 isk for losing the match so why do you give a **** blame ccp.

lol all this just to troll? fail

Not sure when it became socially acceptable to abandon your squad mates in a match to work on Dust related projects. It seems like the people who do this a lot feel like it's perfectly fine behavior. If you treat pub matches like trash and don't show up for any reason its pretty disrespectful to those 15 players. I get it though a lot of people have no respect for anyone in, or anything to do with a pub match.

Nope all that to prove you fail at reading as well as fail at gaming, just makes me wonder what else you fail at in life. Probably all of it seeing as the way to circumvent boredom is to sit in an MCC staring at a wall. Go to your doc's he may have some advice, drugs or something.

People do this all the time. You're just trying to create drama as Kain is a well known member of the community.

Besides we're beta testers aren't we? We're meant to exploit these things. Remember when WARRIORS abused armour reps?Remember how they forced CCP to fix things, rather than let it go on forever?

the reason we treat pubs as trash is because its a PUB nothing serious kid, he have been the cause of our wining millions of times. look at our stats, just because you didnt get help from one guy you look up to dont mean you can blame a lost on him.

It's CCP's fault they made me play their game for 10 hours last night because of a bug in their SP system. I just couldn't do it so I had to leech to achieve what they were making me achieve I really wish I didn't have to do it but CCP made me.

Talk about not taking responsibility. Playing the game is "your" choice, so is leeching, try and remember that.

Hahaha...oh man...you know why sp "farming " exsists? Ccp knew they needed to give sp for time spent in a game because scrubs wouldn't get sp if it was based solely from warpoints. I "farm " because I don't feel like playing and I don't feel like losing the sp edge. When the rollover system is in place it wont matter, and currently your pub matches don't matter either, winning doesn't make it fun, the gameplay does. I want them to remove the in game passive sp, but if they did 80% of the players would quit, so ingame passive must exsist.

Again. This wont be an issue that much with rollover and if it is, so what. Rise to the occasion, when I play with randoms I feel like they aren't doing anything anyhow. Pompous? Arrogant? Conceded? Perhaps, but that doesn't change how I feel.

What it it cost you noob. Did your k/d go down ? Did you earn less isk or sp from the match ?
eLeeching is my choice, and complaining over nothing was yours. Congratz give your self a pat on the back.

you people dont understand anything, even ii was forced to try to leech sp.

I like how much disdain and condescension this thread is exposing from the Imperfects for the public match players. There is a difference between not playing 100% and taking it as serious as a corp match, and not even showing up. It's sad when a 1-10 newberry is better to see on your team than an imperfect because they have developed so much apathy for the game and the community they probably won't even play if it's not their official sanctioned corp battle.

Hahaha...oh man...you know why sp "farming " exsists? Ccp knew they needed to give sp for time spent in a game because scrubs wouldn't get sp if it was based solely from warpoints. I "farm " because I don't feel like playing and I don't feel like losing the sp edge. When the rollover system is in place it wont matter, and currently your pub matches don't matter either, winning doesn't make it fun, the gameplay does. I want them to remove the in game passive sp, but if they did 80% of the players would quit, so ingame passive must exsist.

Again. This wont be an issue that much with rollover and if it is, so what. Rise to the occasion, when I play with randoms I feel like they aren't doing anything anyhow. Pompous? Arrogant? Conceded? Perhaps, but that doesn't change how I feel.

I like how much disdain and condescension this thread is exposing from the Imperfects for the public match players. There is a difference between not playing 100% and taking it as serious as a corp match, and not even showing up. It's sad when a 1-10 newberry is better to see on your team than an imperfect because they have developed so much apathy for the game and the community they probably won't even play if it's not their official sanctioned corp battle.

That's bull. No one forced anyone. I played as much as i wanted to and that was actually less than usual. It still was enough for me to earn more than the 27k that i was granted daily before but when i was done playing i went to do other stuff. I could've easily left my character leech on MCCs for a lot more time but i didn't for a very simple reason that people are trying to silence:

This is not just dishonest because of the SP leeching, it's also that in doing so you're taking up a spot on a team while doing nothing for said team and increasing the chance of this team's battle become a struggle against a full sided team. It matters even more when you know this AFK player could be decisive. Everyone that has played long enough will know that one single player can win you or lose you a game. When a player is MIA, it completely betrays your team. I've seen people going 3-10 be important in a match to secure a win, i may even value the effort a complete noob makes even if he failed to kill a single person but a person that is willingly standing around doing nothing is the most serious act of betrayal you could do to your team.

Funnily, this is why the other case i witnessed was also a player from a well known corp playing BY HIMSELF. These players are not usually seen playing without a squad. When you see these corps in battle, it's normal that you see them grouped and that's fine with me. But when they want to leech they go solo and jeopardize other people's games? Why is that? Why wasn't Kain or the other player i saw with their corp as usual? It's evident, because that would be something that you wouldn't be willing to put your own corp mates through. You wouldn't abandon them and let them go and fight on their own while you stand back.

So these players found a way to not feel bad for this. If they're alone, they're ******* with other people's game, and who cares about others, right?! As long as they don't do it to you, it's fine. What this shows is that this act was dishonest. If you're unwiling to do that with those you feel you're responsible to, then you shouldn't do it with others too.

let me ask you this, what have you done for this "community"? do you play this game? or do you test it? why are you so bent out of shape for losing one pub match? do you not understand that WE control these pubs so we do what we want. i have a 7-9 W/L ratio and our corp as a whole has around a 4 or 5 W/L ratio (probably more than yours anyway). winning is something we do naturally and we win even if its 4v16. next time dont take pubs too seriously scrub

No you can see I went 15-5 against some pretty good opponents in the match. It was not my performance, but rather the lack of performance from other members that was troublesome. I'm glad you are making this a more general issue, It seems like SP leeching is a pretty common and accepted play style among the elite of many different corporations.

Sorry, but when you try to make a point you should probably do so without sounding like an idiot. And making your opinions sound like facts makes you sound even more so. If that doesn't make that a troll post then I don't know what does.

if some nobody had done thing he'd be crucified. since its an imp its ok. hypocritic much?

what have u done? the same people defending this behavior QQ about redline snipers and bad blue dots but atleast they r trying. when u leech SP you defeat the very purpose for playing. wipe ur mouth too. if some nobody had done thing he'd be crucified. since its an imp its ok. hypocritic much?

what have u done? the same people defending this behavior QQ about redline snipers and bad blue dots but atleast they r trying. when u leech SP you defeat the very purpose for playing. wipe ur mouth too. if some nobody had done thing he'd be crucified. since its an imp its ok. hypocritic much?

i was being forced because i was playing for a solid 7-8 hours without a break and i wanted to stop playing around the 2-3 hour mark. i was able to get 200k + sp but i had to grind like a ***** to get it. some of you dont understand because your sp capped out at random amounts like 27k and 50k while we hit 220k and still wasnt capped

Why worry aboit winning if there is no reward, incentive, or reward for helping your team win. If ccp won't change it, its our job ad beta testers to abuse it. Especially with last night. I allready play enough to hit the cap in a week, but a day ? Yikes , nope time to abuse giant flaws in game design.

The losing team should get 0 sp, you want to see people fighting the death with passion? That'll do it.

No one said you had to get 280k SP yesterday. No one said you had to play 7-8 hours. No one said you needed to play like a greedy SP ***** just to milk every last ounce of it.

Why play at all if you don't want to win the matches. Here is an idea, watch a number tick up over time, pretend it is your 'sp' and quit playing Dust. It is beyond clear your only enjoyment from the game is increasing numbers. If you don't care about winning matches just because it doesn't give you more numbers then you really don't understand the point of the game.

Son, I've been playing eve since beta, I've been killing conchord with dreads supported by cans full of cap charges that forced ccp to fix it. I've followed dust for the past 6 years.

This beta is fun but winning for winnings sake gives no incentive. Here try this this, write, victory on a piece of paper , tape it to your TV at the end of each match.

no one asked for your f****** comment you no named dildo. wtf does your name even say?!! whooooo sahhhhhh ok sorry CCP im done

everyone knows (if you are a competitive player) that getting the most sp as you can will be a deciding factor in matches that actually mean something

Son, I've been playing eve since beta, I've been killing conchord with dreads supported by cans full of cap charges that forced ccp to fix it. I've followed dust for the past 6 years.

This beta is fun but winning for winnings sake gives no incentive. Here try this this, write, victory on a piece of paper , tape it to your TV at the end of each match.

Btw we get it you keep changing your character so you can like your own posts, stop grinding likes. Forum warrioring is serious , why even post if you are going to abuse something put in place by Ccp?

I'd Blame ccp hut you've made it obvious its not their fault you are cheating the system. So stop being a hypocrite.

It's sad that you are so closed minded the though of people not agreeing with you has not even entered your mind, so naturally people that disagree must not exist.

Sooo OP... 1 question.

If Kain had gone 0/0 in that match and another blueberry had gone 0-9 and you guys lost by clones, would you make a post about that guy "costing you the match"?

Because I consistently see 0-9, 0-12, 0-14s in matches I play in and I don't make posts on the forums about them "costing me a match" by their horrible gun game.

If it was a no name scrub you saw chilling in the MCC there would be no post.

Thanks for the response Kain, hopefully the Imperfects still don't want to break all my bones!

That said I may have made the mistake of assuming all Imperfects do better than I do on the battlefield, can't really blame me when it tends to be the case almost all the time Xp. I figured a 20 kill surplus would have been pretty standard although from other posts from the imperfects perhaps I was being a bit unfair in my expectations.

I did find the Concord post rather humorous, and was afraid I may have started something a bit out of my depth when it turned into that, but it seems it was just satire so we are all good.

That said I'm glad to hear that you don't approve of the passive SP farming any more than I do.

Good! we are all square then? End this stupid thread then..

Just because you believe everything you write is fact doesn't mean everything you read, that someone else wrote, is as infalible as your drivle. My statements are always my opinion. Scientific facts are not 100% they just haven't been proved wrong yet and all evidence suggest they are so people believe them.

aand about sounding like an idiot have you even read any of your posts, you spend a lot of time contradicting yourself in the same statement.

Sooo OP... 1 question.

If Kain had gone 0/0 in that match and another blueberry had gone 0-9 and you guys lost by clones, would you make a post about that guy "costing you the match"?

Because I consistently see 0-9, 0-12, 0-14s in matches I play in and I don't make posts on the forums about them "costing me a match" by their horrible gun game.

If it was a no name scrub you saw chilling in the MCC there would be no post.

Thanks for the response Kain, hopefully the Imperfects still don't want to break all my bones!

That said I may have made the mistake of assuming all Imperfects do better than I do on the battlefield, can't really blame me when it tends to be the case almost all the time Xp. I figured a 20 kill surplus would have been pretty standard although from other posts from the imperfects perhaps I was being a bit unfair in my expectations.

I did find the Concord post rather humorous, and was afraid I may have started something a bit out of my depth when it turned into that, but it seems it was just satire so we are all good.

That said I'm glad to hear that you don't approve of the passive SP farming any more than I do.

Why play at all if you don't want to win the matches. Here is an idea, watch a number tick up over time, pretend it is your 'sp' and quit playing Dust. It is beyond clear your only enjoyment from the game is increasing numbers. If you don't care about winning matches just because it doesn't give you more numbers then you really don't understand the point of the game.

You are a shining example of this really selfish attitude that seems to be prevailing. If I don't get something then I don't care! Why not try and win the match for you and your team?

I blame Charlene. She is a massive troll.

Our win loss is better than most, i think you can stop lecturing us on whining, i mean winning.

Tiger blood!!

But the game has something on the line, a reason to take it seriously. The victory at the end of the game of baseball can have meaning. But they designed dust currently to be more like a game of back yard baseball.

Winning means nothing, middle of the game the pitcher leaves becusse his mom calls him in for dinner, and then someone gets mad and tries to make everyone hate him for leaving in the middle of a game by raging on the playground.

See the problem? See the difference between a game where winning has value and a game designed like backyard sports ?

I agree with you It's lame, and leeching is dumb. But when I had time I put a lot of effort into matches, and so did kain. The man picked me up in his fancy lav, and he was at the top of the leader board using nothing but a forge gun.

I don't agree with making any beta tester out to be a villain for playing within the rules of the game. Kain is great , he doesn't deserve **** for beta testing the game. Kain doesn't deserve a bad name just becuase he abused a mechanic. Zion has been abusing the FW system , and look ! It's getting fixed.

The focus and topic of your thread was not "I think passive sp gain in the redzone is broken, look I even found famous players doing it !" The topic of your thread was "kain is as *******, hey everyone you should hate this guy I'm making an example of."

Don't try to 180 and change your topic, you made this thread more about trying to slander an amazing addition to the community,

You're an Imperfect?

I'm glad you understand no one is defending passive sp gain . 9000 for doing nothing isn't good game design.

The cap is far from arbitrary, they have 100 reasons even if you happen to disagree with those reasons. Month long roll over sp , the system stops abuse.

Not saying its good or bad just that they do have a reason :p

At least now we know.

The only thing really bothers me from other players is when someone joins a match, and then doesn't show up to play.

There were quite a few corp players in the pub match and I knew it was going to be a close battle since both teams had good players. I also was kind of expecting a good performance from Kain to help us balance the tide against the Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunters.

I love how you are making a bit deal out of this.


It's a pub match. It is meaningless of the highest kind. Winning or losing does not matter in the slightest.


People do this because of the cap. Even if it's not a daily cap, it's still a cap. The only thing a cap really does is limit overall progression, but also has the nasty side effect of preventing anyone who misses time from catching up at all.


I do this all the time as well, because more often than not I'm too busy doing other stuff to actually play. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this, because people AFK'ing in the MCC are actually getting considerably less ISK and SP than someone who plays the whole match legit.

There's no reason to make a big deal out of something that isn't really an issue.

I'm glad you understand no one is defending passive sp gain . 9000 for doing nothing isn't good game design.

Been telling ccp since open beta with no response. Anyone remember when sp was 100% based on war points ? Ahh the good old days where dropships with missiles ruled the sky.

Btw my fix would be change passive income to 1 sp per second outside the redzone. 5-7 sp per warpoint. Passive sp is only earnedif your team wins. Salvage only goes to the winning team.

Also hate me all you want but I still think you should hate ccp more :p I had mad stomach flu last night, I never p leeched before, but when I saw sp.was being reset like hell I'd let my sickness waste my active booster !

Deadeye I was online last night when you proclaimed your great discovery in the Rise of Legion channel. You, no matter what you say here came after kain because he is an Imperfect. NOT because you are concerned about "SP farming". Everyone knows about this and its been posted about before.

Sorry man I call bullshit. I have nothing against you but if you haven't seen someone afking in mcc before you have the eyesight of a bat.

Back to the fact that I was on last night. I had not hit my cap and was afk in mcc. I had a match that I only got like 1800~ sp then the next match on got ZERO. There was a reason kain was doing what he was doing and it had to do with testing.

There have been many issues regarding bugs with sp caps and we thought this could be another one. More specifically some players (me specifcially) logged in last night late to get a few more SPs and dust acted as though I had it the cap when i only earned about 150k yesterday.

There is a reason kain didn't come out and say "beers was afking in mcc and was bitching about not getting sp" He was in a squad and left it to help me figure out whats going on. He thougth ccp may have nerfed the "sit in mcc earn sp game mode"

Kain's one the good mercs in dust and didn't try and make an excuse for it. When in reality I was the reason he was doing it.



PS I'm not mad/attacking/trolling you deadeye because your corcern for the issue is genuine to me. I am just disappointed in how you went about it. If you caught me on video and posted a ty ijdifhread about me I would simply respond "Yup your right, now what?"

Deadeye I was online last night when you proclaimed your great discovery in the Rise of Legion channel. You, no matter what you say here came after kain because he is an Imperfect. NOT because you are concerned about "SP farming". Everyone knows about this and its been posted about before.

Sorry man I call bullshit. I have nothing against you but if you haven't seen someone afking in mcc before you have the eyesight of a bat.

Back to the fact that I was on last night. I had not hit my cap and was afk in mcc. I had a match that I only got like 1800~ sp then the next match on got ZERO. There was a reason kain was doing what he was doing and it had to do with testing.

There have been many issues regarding bugs with sp caps and we thought this could be another one. More specifically some players (me specifcially) logged in last night late to get a few more SPs and dust acted as though I had it the cap when i only earned about 150k yesterday.

There is a reason kain didn't come out and say "beers was afking in mcc and was bitching about not getting sp" He was in a squad and left it to help me figure out whats going on. He thougth ccp may have nerfed the "sit in mcc earn sp game mode"

Kain's one the good mercs in dust and didn't try and make an excuse for it. When in reality I was the reason he was doing it.



PS I'm not mad/attacking/trolling you deadeye because your corcern for the issue is genuine to me. I am just disappointed in how you went about it. If you caught me on video and posted a thread about me I would simply respond "Yup your right, now what?"

Think what you will I believe my own naivety was kind of exposed here. I didn't think corp players were conducting AFK passive SP farming, and I assumed it was pretty generally frowned upon. It personally irks me pretty bad so I figured I had an opportunity to get a lot of exposure to the issue. After being told by about a dozen players, both here and in rofl that they do it all the time and so what, I kind off feel like the odd man out here. I still think its a ****** thing to do, but when even my own peps are doing it I really don't have any moral ground to stand on.

Well when it comes to issue of SP its not really in beta to be fair, any extra SP earned now if a serious factor.

Oh how far the once exalted Kane Spero has fallen.

Now, he will forever be known as a leecher and will wallow in the muck along with the rest of the filth that they call the imperfects.

Congrats, OP on your solid defense of a quality argument. You did not back down and stood your ground against some of the biggest, self-entitled bullies in the game.

Bravo to you.

Think what you will I believe my own naivety was kind of exposed here. I didn't think corp players were conducting AFK passive SP farming, and I assumed it was pretty generally frowned upon. It personally irks me pretty bad so I figured I had an opportunity to get a lot of exposure to the issue. After being told by about a dozen players, both here and in rofl that they do it all the time and so what, I kind off feel like the odd man out here. I still think its a ****** thing to do, but when even my own peps are doing it I really don't have any moral ground to stand on.

Well thanks for the praise, but just to be clear I would say I don't agree with you at all. I wanted to call him out on what I thought was a crappy move. Turns out he was testing out something for Beers. I'm not trying to doom say or muck sling. I was a bit excited it was him when I was recording sure, just like I would have been if it was Zionshad or any other big community player because I knew it was going to get a lot of exposure.

Ok have to post in a classic:

First off lol at all the hipsters saying that winning in pub matches doesn't matter. A great man once said "winning isn't everything, it's the only thing". Sorry I am that competitive that even a backyard game of pick up is a heated game. I grew up with brothers and friends that losing wasn't an option and if it happened it could bring you to tears (my reality). Not to mention that playing board games such as pictionary were eventually banned from the house, too many bloody noses and accusations of cheating.

For what ever reason OP decided to key in on Kain is moot, he is just the catalyst that brings this exploit to the for front. I have done this myself and anyone else that has knows it as an exploit. I justified it during the daily cap (was the one mentioned earlier in the thread being the one to put down up-links to get those few extra wp)and last night being all screwy could see this as a problem. Now though with weekly cap and higher soft cap, I see this as less of a problem aand once roll over starts it will be scarce.

There have been some good posts on fixes for this from getting kicked for being idle to getting more points for wp and less for time being in a match. Both sound reasonable and do able. Also FF will alleviate many of these problems from afk farming to redline snipers if it is implemented in pub matches.

On the point that this behaviour negatively effects other players is laughable, since when do others start to care for some nameless face over the ether? I would say a good amount of players play this game and others just to make other players lives a living hell in the game just for the lulz. My actions in a video game is never dictated by what others think about me, it is what makes the game fun for me, and that is usually winning by any means necessary.

Well we can just agree to disagree then. I read what was posted in the Rise channel by you when it happened. I understand it to be frustration so I didn't think to speak to you about it(and it was 3 am and I was dead tired) You had the right to be frustrated/angry about it, I won't disagree with that.

I have gone about things poorly on the forums myself so I not going not bash you for it.

Oh, how far the once exalted Kane Spero has fallen.

Now, he will forever be known as a leecher and will wallow in the muck along with the rest of the filth that they call the imperfects.

Congrats, OP on your solid defense of a quality argument. You did not back down and stood your ground against some of the biggest, self-entitled bullies in the game.

Bravo to you.

Off topic, Can you ask zdawg why him and a whole squad of STB ragequit after we killed him and stole his tank?

"They took my tank everyone back out"

If you guys want to complain this much ill start doing it till i hit the cap...Then talk about me and leave Kane out of this..there are others who did the same but i do not see his name on here yet you dont see me crying about it...big deal you carry the team dont expect others to carry your entire team...

so the moral of the story is, all these e-peeners with any type of rep cant commit to their image and need to find the things broken in this game in order to stay on to. LOLZ

I'm afk right now as I post in this thread. Bring on the hate.

I can honestly say I don't remember what I said in chat. Probably blaming Kain for the loss and yelling about him being afk. I am know to rage a bit, and it was probably a lot nicer than what I was saying to my squad about the match. Either way thanks for not sharing it, it seems like you have a better memory of it and it's probably pretty embarrassing.

Can't wait for friendly fire