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crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:25:00 -
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I leeched allllllll last night and hit the 280,000 cap. I also played a game at 1 am with kain last night where we went 16 kills in a forge gun and I didn't notice it was kain untill I jumped in a fancy colored LAV. When I wasn't sitting in the MCC I was testing how many places my scout with AUR speed mods could jump too, why should I fight every game?
I played some games not others, its not my fault or his ccp made a dumb bug that made no lifting the only way to get yesterdays sp. And I still don't think ccp thinks they made a mistake
Also why do you care ? There is no reward for winning a match and nothing to lose from not winning. Also why do you care how other choose to spend their time testing a bets. Yeah becuase we stent playing a game we are testing it. You could of Sat in the MCC too.
Ccp choose to make sitting in the MCC give out 8,000 sp, they bugged the cap letting people get 600,000 sp last week. But overall its kinda creepy you singled him out over a game with no incentive to win outside corp battles. Not to mention how it shoupdnt be throwing badasses like kain or myself into matches with newberries in the 1st place.
Suck it up last night was special. At least he wasn't redzone sniping.
Also again you lost 0 sp and 0 isk for losing the match so why do you give a **** blame ccp. |
crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:40:00 -
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Tectonious Falcon wrote:People do this all the time. You're just trying to create drama as Kain is a well known member of the community.
Besides we're beta testers aren't we? We're meant to exploit these things. Remember when WARRIORS abused armour reps?Remember how they forced CCP to fix things, rather than let it go on forever?
Do your part sit in the MCC and leech sp. That'll make ccp fix it. It's bs your skill in battle doesn't reward sp and winning a match rewards nada.
If everyone sat in the MCC or trendline sniped or just LAV raced ccp might think they need to fix the system. Beta testing us fun you can't get banned for this stuff, its a beta. People never seem to understand what that means, beta. It means you can repair an lav in the redzone , drop 10 OBs, and get promoted to CEO of a skilled corp.
It's a beta fool , B E T A |
crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:42:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:I leeched allllllll last night and hit the 280,000 cap. I also played a game at 1 am with kain last night where we went 16 kills in a forge gun and I didn't notice it was kain untill I jumped in a fancy colored LAV. When I wasn't sitting in the MCC I was testing how many places my scout with AUR speed mods could jump too, why should I fight every game?
I played some games not others, its not my fault or his ccp made a dumb bug that made no lifting the only way to get yesterdays sp. And I still don't think ccp thinks they made a mistake
Also why do you care ? There is no reward for winning a match and nothing to lose from not winning. Also why do you care how other choose to spend their time testing a bets. Yeah becuase we stent playing a game we are testing it. You could of Sat in the MCC too.
Ccp choose to make sitting in the MCC give out 8,000 sp, they bugged the cap letting people get 600,000 sp last week. But overall its kinda creepy you singled him out over a game with no incentive to win outside corp battles. Not to mention how it shoupdnt be throwing badasses like kain or myself into matches with newberries in the 1st place.
Suck it up last night was special. At least he wasn't redzone sniping.
Also again you lost 0 sp and 0 isk for losing the match so why do you give a **** blame ccp. It's CCP's fault they made me play their game for 10 hours last night because of a bug in their SP system. I just couldn't do it so I had to leech to achieve what they were making me achieve I really wish I didn't have to do it but CCP made me. Talk about not taking responsibility. Playing the game is "your" choice, so is leeching, try and remember that.
What it it cost you noob. Did your k/d go down ? Did you earn less isk or sp from the match ? eLeeching is my choice, and complaining over nothing was yours. Congratz give your self a pat on the back. |
crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:44:00 -
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William HBonney wrote:Hahaha...oh man...you know why sp "farming " exsists? Ccp knew they needed to give sp for time spent in a game because scrubs wouldn't get sp if it was based solely from warpoints. I "farm " because I don't feel like playing and I don't feel like losing the sp edge. When the rollover system is in place it wont matter, and currently your pub matches don't matter either, winning doesn't make it fun, the gameplay does. I want them to remove the in game passive sp, but if they did 80% of the players would quit, so ingame passive must exsist.
Again. This wont be an issue that much with rollover and if it is, so what. Rise to the occasion, when I play with randoms I feel like they aren't doing anything anyhow. Pompous? Arrogant? Conceded? Perhaps, but that doesn't change how I feel. See someone gets it. Btw *high five* |
crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:47:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:GoD-NoVa wrote:Deadeyes Anterie wrote:GoD-NoVa wrote:you people dont understand anything, even ii was forced to try to leech sp. yesterday it felt like i was being forced to play because of trying to get sp b4 reset, i wanted to get off sooo bad but i couldn't. also Kain does so much while he plays, i dont even see how he can manage RL stuff at the same time when playing Dust the guy is awesome. Who cares about not trying to win a pub match. We have to carry the team ourselves anyway maybe he wanted to see how you guys did lol
leave it up to randoms to try to find any flaw in the imperfects Not sure when it became socially acceptable to abandon your squad mates in a match to work on Dust related projects. It seems like the people who do this a lot feel like it's perfectly fine behavior. If you treat pub matches like trash and don't show up for any reason its pretty disrespectful to those 15 players. I get it though a lot of people have no respect for anyone in, or anything to do with a pub match. the reason we treat pubs as trash is because its a PUB nothing serious kid, he have been the cause of our wining millions of times. look at our stats, just because you didnt get help from one guy you look up to dont mean you can blame a lost on him. I like how much disdain and condescension this thread is exposing from the Imperfects for the public match players. There is a difference between not playing 100% and taking it as serious as a corp match, and not even showing up. It's sad when a 1-10 newberry is better to see on your team than an imperfect because they have developed so much apathy for the game and the community they probably won't even play if it's not their official sanctioned corp battle. But it doesn't matter if there is nothing to lose on the line, win or lose. Most games ,sc2, gw2, bf3, halo 4, dota2, lol, gunz online, ect. The winning team ... Well... wins something. |
crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:50:00 -
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Btw dude you need to take a chill pill its a program made in unreal 3 , that you control using a controller. It's not a real world its a video game. An unfinished beta no less. This is no different than people complaining about OB farming and you know what ? Those peoples actions caused ccp to wake up and fix it.
Hmm I take it back, keep raging, It's part of what gets ccp to listen. |
crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:54:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:Deadeyes Anterie wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:I leeched allllllll last night and hit the 280,000 cap. I also played a game at 1 am with kain last night where we went 16 kills in a forge gun and I didn't notice it was kain untill I jumped in a fancy colored LAV. When I wasn't sitting in the MCC I was testing how many places my scout with AUR speed mods could jump too, why should I fight every game?
I played some games not others, its not my fault or his ccp made a dumb bug that made no lifting the only way to get yesterdays sp. And I still don't think ccp thinks they made a mistake
Also why do you care ? There is no reward for winning a match and nothing to lose from not winning. Also why do you care how other choose to spend their time testing a bets. Yeah becuase we stent playing a game we are testing it. You could of Sat in the MCC too.
Ccp choose to make sitting in the MCC give out 8,000 sp, they bugged the cap letting people get 600,000 sp last week. But overall its kinda creepy you singled him out over a game with no incentive to win outside corp battles. Not to mention how it shoupdnt be throwing badasses like kain or myself into matches with newberries in the 1st place.
Suck it up last night was special. At least he wasn't redzone sniping.
Also again you lost 0 sp and 0 isk for losing the match so why do you give a **** blame ccp. It's CCP's fault they made me play their game for 10 hours last night because of a bug in their SP system. I just couldn't do it so I had to leech to achieve what they were making me achieve I really wish I didn't have to do it but CCP made me. Talk about not taking responsibility. Playing the game is "your" choice, so is leeching, try and remember that. What it it cost you noob. Did your k/d go down ? Did you earn less isk or sp from the match ? eLeeching is my choice, and complaining over nothing was yours. Congratz give your self a pat on the back. No you can see I went 15-5 against some pretty good opponents in the match. It was not my performance, but rather the lack of performance from other members that was troublesome. I'm glad you are making this a more general issue, It seems like SP leeching is a pretty common and accepted play style among the elite of many different corporations. You allready said why it was common , ccp messed up the sp cap. It won't be common anymore from good players |
crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:57:00 -
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Tolen Rosas wrote:
what have u done? the same people defending this behavior QQ about redline snipers and bad blue dots but atleast they r trying. when u leech SP you defeat the very purpose for playing. wipe ur mouth too. if some nobody had done thing he'd be crucified. since its an imp its ok. hypocritic much?
Well for one he has helped make promotional materials for ccp.
Also note we all AGREE the system needs a change but after a month of being ignored by ccp, we just don't care anymore. And the sp cap bug was nonsense.
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crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:03:00 -
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Why worry about winning if there is no reward, incentive, or reward for helping your team win. If ccp won't change it, its our job ad beta testers to abuse it. Especially with last night. I already play enough to hit the cap in a week, but a day ? Yikes , nope time to abuse giant flaws in game design.
The losing team should get 0 sp, you want to see people fighting the death with passion? That'll do it. |
crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:12:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:Why worry aboit winning if there is no reward, incentive, or reward for helping your team win. If ccp won't change it, its our job ad beta testers to abuse it. Especially with last night. I allready play enough to hit the cap in a week, but a day ? Yikes , nope time to abuse giant flaws in game design.
The losing team should get 0 sp, you want to see people fighting the death with passion? That'll do it. Why play at all if you don't want to win the matches. Here is an idea, watch a number tick up over time, pretend it is your 'sp' and quit playing Dust. It is beyond clear your only enjoyment from the game is increasing numbers. If you don't care about winning matches just because it doesn't give you more numbers then you really don't understand the point of the game. Son, I've been playing eve since beta, I've been killing conchord with dreads supported by cans full of cap charges that forced ccp to fix it. I've followed dust for the past 6 years.
This beta is fun but winning for winnings sake gives no incentive. Here try this this, write, victory on a piece of paper , tape it to your TV at the end of each match. |
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crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:15:00 -
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With all time the op spent typing he could of been helping his team win at least 6 matches, instead he's just been sitting back getting passive sp over time. Think of all the people he let down you guys. |
crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:19:00 -
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Btw we get it you keep changing your character so you can like your own posts, stop grinding likes. Forum warrioring is serious , why even post if you are going to abuse something put in place by Ccp?
I'd Blame ccp hut you've made it obvious its not their fault you are cheating the system. So stop being a hypocrite. |
crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:39:00 -
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But the game has something on the line, a reason to take it seriously. The victory at the end of the game of baseball can have meaning. But they designed dust currently to be more like a game of back yard baseball.
Winning means nothing, middle of the game the pitcher leaves becusse his mom calls him in for dinner, and then someone gets mad and tries to make everyone hate him for leaving in the middle of a game by raging on the playground.
See the problem? See the difference between a game where winning has value and a game designed like backyard sports ?
I agree with you It's lame, and leeching is dumb. But when I had time I put a lot of effort into matches, and so did kain. The man picked me up in his fancy lav, and he was at the top of the leader board using nothing but a forge gun.
I don't agree with making any beta tester out to be a villain for playing within the rules of the game. Kain is great , he doesn't deserve **** for beta testing the game. Kain doesn't deserve a bad name just becuase he abused a mechanic. Zion has been abusing the FW system , and look ! It's getting fixed.
The focus and topic of your thread was not "I think passive sp gain in the redzone is broken, look I even found famous players doing it !" The topic of your thread was "kain is as *******, hey everyone you should hate this guy I'm making an example of."
Don't try to 180 and change your topic, you made this thread more about trying to slander an amazing addition to the community, |
crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:46:00 -
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I'm glad you understand no one is defending passive sp gain . 9000 for doing nothing isn't good game design.
Been telling ccp since open beta with no response. Anyone remember when sp was 100% based on war points ? Ahh the good old days where dropships with missiles ruled the sky.
Btw my fix would be change passive income to 1 sp per second outside the redzone. 5-7 sp per warpoint. Passive sp is only earnedif your team wins. Salvage only goes to the winning team.
Also hate me all you want but I still think you should hate ccp more :p I had mad stomach flu last night, I never p leeched before, but when I saw sp.was being reset like hell I'd let my sickness waste my active booster ! |
crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:59:00 -
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The cap is far from arbitrary, they have 100 reasons even if you happen to disagree with those reasons. Month long roll over sp , the system stops abuse.
Not saying its good or bad just that they do have a reason :p |
crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:18:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:SoLJae wrote:Oh, how far the once exalted Kane Spero has fallen.
Now, he will forever be known as a leecher and will wallow in the muck along with the rest of the filth that they call the imperfects.
Congrats, OP on your solid defense of a quality argument. You did not back down and stood your ground against some of the biggest, self-entitled bullies in the game.
Bravo to you. I feel sorry for you. This is really what you want to contribute to this thread? I assume if someone posted the same thing you did but about zion tcd you would call them what? Classless. Trolls. immature kids. potty mouths. Welcome to hiporisy party of you. He was trolling :p
Also I love how far ccp us staying from this thread.
I still say the winners of a match should get double the isk, the losers shouldn't get salvage.
Also like in eve online , if you win you should get a small % of the modules you lost back. The field is yours, so you get to salvage your dead bodies |
crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:21:00 -
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Salazar Skye-fire wrote:Gunner Nightingale wrote:Salazar Skye-fire wrote:so the moral of the story is, all these e-peeners with any type of rep cant commit to their image and need to find the things broken in this game in order to stay on to. LOLZ Its called testing, you know what it is we're all here to do. Especially the closed beta tester that have been testing this thing since it was a patchwork game that was basically in its alpha stage. Kudos to you guys because when i came in november it felt good to me i had no clue how much the came had been tested and tweaked. It is the responsibility of every TESTER in this game to find EXPLOITS/BUGS/GLITCHES and REPORT THEM. so instead of lulz at us we lulz at you cause you're just a parasitic leach that "plays" the game while the we try to "test" and IMPROVE IT. i agree with finding bugs in a beta and reporting them but when your done and your STILL using them then your just hiding behind an excuse. this is one. Nope they only fix things when It becomes a problem |
crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:23:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:I have yet to just sit in a MCC to gain SP per second to reach the cap, as tempting as it may be. I play all my matches, only time I leave is when I know my team will get steamrolled and I am guaranteed to lose out suits, KDR and/or points by playing an unwinable match.
Amazing someone is so open about being an online gaming coward and a giant vagina. I like how he brags that if his team loses some points he just stops helping his team. One person can rehack all the points, I've done it |
crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:26:00 -
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Also can we be honest. You shouldn't gain sp in the redzone end of story. Why would you level up in am area marked as out of the combat zone for the other team ? |
crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:29:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Crimson Moon V wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:If i don't want to play the game why do I have to forfeit my SP? People need to just stop hating and come chill with us in the mcc all day. We have beer pong! Put down some isk and lets play some poker Hey sleepy you should know poker is coming some day in game :)
Sry for the all the posts I'm on my phone and thread is loooong |
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crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:54:00 -
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Kristoff Atruin wrote:What I don't understand is the idea that winning or losing in pub matches actually matters somehow. The reward for winning or losing is the same. Snatching victory from the jaws of defeat is fun, but until there is something tangible to be won or loss it is pretty much the definition of meaningless. The only things you can get out of it are epeen stroking and, theoretically, practicing organized tactics.
Of course without fielding a full team of your own guys it isn't a great way to train for corp matches where everyone is actually contributing.
To boil it all down, what do I *lose* when my team loses? Nothing but pride, assuming I actually gave a **** about winning. exactly, I have no idea why people are so willing to defend this aspect of the game
no difference between winning and lossing is what pushes people to stay in the redzone, or onyl focus on k/d without hacking anything. |
crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:00:00 -
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Kain! yes! great idea actully, maybe even stream it to increase the lulz, get the subreddit people on board, other major corps, also make sure to tell every random on team chat to join us. We can play games in the MCC like musical chairs.
Ok follow me here, we all walk in a circle around the opening. There is a remote mine in one spot. We play music over coms, when the music stops KABOOM!
Also please add more ideas for games, I mean as CCP has the game designed currently doing this would rewards us almost as much as actully laying the game.
Also maybe tag in the red zone? with remote mines?
we can even play twister and stay up all night! dust sleep over in the MCC! |
crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:03:00 -
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hehe sota pop still grinding those likes I see :P |
crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.07 04:29:00 -
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Sometimes I go sit in the MCC to make finger food too! especially when I'm allready on top of the leader board... Come on srubs I allready hacks 6 points and killed 15 people pick up the slack! |
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