And this is exactly why I tend to stray away from MMO's. People don't play to have fun, they play to unlock stuff. And it ultimately reflects in the gameplay.

There is no need to accuse people of "crying" because they have a different opinion than you as you did in a few responses earlier. I am however not sure you are seeing the bigger picture here - things escalate. Right now it's not uncommon to find one player each match who is AFK for free skill points. It's not that big a deal presently because one player doesn't make or break a 16 man team (that still doesn't make it right). However, if we let this become acceptable behavior then soon more and more people will start doing it until eventually you may have half your team AFK which is pretty significant, or worse every time you queue up for a public match the majority of people on both teams are AFK - sure it may be fair if both teams have the same number of skill point padders but playing with half the player count is not nearly as fun as the full thing, too bad some people don't care about "fun" any more.

Also you are not "forced to play in those matches." That is why passive skill points exists. If you don't have to time to play as much as others then don't complain that you can't keep up with them. And the whole "we're bored" excuse is extremely poor.

The reason why I think this is even an issue was because yesterday had an effective daily cap of 280,000SP. Anyone who hit the daily cap or weekly cap normally didn't have any reason to leech. The people who wanted max SP were met with their first real incentive to leech yesterday.

@ Irish Syn

SoTa PoP is just mad that you are having fun playing the game and he is only doing it to increase a number at a self confessed great personal boredom.

Hes also a pretty big troll around here at times so you need to poke him with a stick sometimes so he gets back under the bridge.

Ok, and what is your point? "I want SP and I want it now! I don't want others to get ahead of me even if I don't have the same amount of time to invest as them, therefore I will go AFK in public matches at the expense of everyone else so I can keep up."

Yeah, that's a very strong point to make.

I love how you are making a bit deal out of this.


It's a pub match. It is meaningless of the highest kind. Winning or losing does not matter in the slightest.


People do this because of the cap. Even if it's not a daily cap, it's still a cap. The only thing a cap really does is limit overall progression, but also has the nasty side effect of preventing anyone who misses time from catching up at all.


I do this all the time as well, because more often than not I'm too busy doing other stuff to actually play. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this, because people AFK'ing in the MCC are actually getting considerably less ISK and SP than someone who plays the whole match legit.

There's no reason to make a big deal out of something that isn't really an issue.

Things can just come up. I know there was an incident last night that came up with me. I dropped down at the beginning of a skirmish and my 4 month old wakes up screaming. If you think I'm not going to immediately drop the controller and sooth her you're insane.

Great way to ignore your horrible argument so far and summarize it for us <3

Now, make sure to throw in how incredibly jealous you lose when people go afk in your games, but I do fine in mine. Don't even notice if they do <3 *pets his hmg*

Fair enough, seems like we finally understand each other.

I want SP as well, but not enough to play if I don't feel like playing, or leeching matches for those who are saying that's just being smart. My SP shouldn't come at the expense of my own enjoyment or that of others.

EDIT:

I fully understand my stance puts me at a serious disadvantage in the Dust world, and accept that.

Saying an argument is weak followed by no counter argument plus an insult and finishing with self praise. You are doing it right

And for the records, I can hold my own when outmatched as well. Doesn't mean everyone can.

Look, I understand why you have the opinion you do. It is helping the said player to get better fittings to help his or her corporation gain a strong foothold in New Eden. It is still a selfish move. Yes, corporations can become very serious business, but it should never come at the expense of someone else (other than the corps getting destroyed, of course )

CCP will surely put in a system to kick players leeching anyways, not like any of our arguments matter. Just a nice way to expose the integrity level of some people. Carry on.

So, people should never use tanks, because other people getting stomped by tanks is not enjoyable for them?

That;s a horrible parallel, but it makes about as much sense as people complaining about this.


You say you're playing for fun : But you're complaining that people aren't helping you win. That's contradicting itself right there. There is absolutely no reason to take pub matches seriously. If you're really playing for your own enjoyment, what someone else is doing should not matter to you in the slighest. Do you complain about brand new and/or bad players who can't get a kill and just go like 0/15 for the round, doing nothing but feed the enemy kills and clone your team out?

You're trying to take the high road here where there really isn't one.

People AFK'ing in the MCC get like half the SP/ISK of someone actually playing. It takes more time AFKing to even come close to what you earn by playing the game. You can call it however negatively you want. You're still never going to be surpassed by someone who's AFK'ing in the MCC if you actually play the game. It's a nonissue.


Take me for example : I've been really busy doing other StuffTM the past few weeks since the reset/daily cap. Playing normally I'd never have enough time to hit the cap every day and still get my other stuff done. This would mean that I would be 'behind' in the progression scheme of things, and no amount of grinding when I actually do have time to play would ever allow me to catch up. That's the biggest problem with the caps right now. But by AFK'ing for a few hours/day, I've been able to cap out every day without worrying about needing to finish my own stuff.


I'd wager a lot of ISK that is what Kain was afking for similar reason. He has 'more important' things to do related to dust than actually playing the game.

To those of you making a big deal out of this, one question:

So you've NEVER abused any of the broken mechanics in Dust? Not even once? Because if you have, you really have no ground to stand on here.

You have never:
-Used old Swarm Launcher spam to kill infantry
-Used a Heavy when they were "Invincible"
-Used a Scout when they were so fast and hit detection was so poor they couldn't be shot
-Dropship crushing
-Camped a Spawn when we all spawned in the same spots
-Used the old remote explosives
-Used AV grenades when they worked as mines
-Sniped w/ head glitch
-Repair tool farmed
-Used the old missiles from Dropships, LAVs, or Tanks
-Used the old Railgun Turrets
-Used 2 or more Damage Mods (yes, currently broken mechanic, no stacking penalty)
-Camped under an MCC in a red-line match
-Spammed Thukkers
-Camped a supply depot to maintain ammo and switch out quick for full health
-Etc, Etc...

Yes, I realize some of these are "debatable" as broken mechanics, but all of them ruined the game for 1 or more people. And, barring head glitch, damage mods, and camping supply depots, all of them have since been fixed because people discovered and abused them.

So Kain may or may not have abused a currently broken mechanic...so what? The hard truth is that at one time or another, we all have.

Since you actually admit to AFK'ing matches for hours on end to get SP it's safe to say you are kind of a parasite on the game. You are not entitled to SP, and your attitude about it is beyond rotten. Imagine how **** the game would be if 50% of the community treated the game with as little respect as you do, oh we got 7 players on our team actually playing, sweet. Public matches would be beyond a joke for the 90% of players who really care about each match they play. SP Is a reward for playing the game, not a thing you deserve even if you can't play.

Would you like to know what I do, while I AFK in the MCC?

I do things on the forums, I work on spreadsheets for overall balance feedback, I talk in channels to give people help and advice to get them started in dust. I work as a middleman to help corps get in touch with each other. I spend a horrendous amount of time saying the same things over and over on IRC for people who didn't hear them the first time (Things CCP has said on IRC or on the forums, etc) And then there's my real life job.

I could go on, but I think it's safe to say that I make a more positive contribution to dust by 'not playing' , than I would if I were to just sit there and no-life.

You can call me a parasite if you like, but before you make such statements, know that there are very few players out there who have devoted as much time to helping make dust more awesome as I have. (I know that sounds a little conceited and e-peenish, but it was not meant to be) I only bring this up because you have the gall to suggest I do not respect the game or the people who play it. :(

Would you like to know what I do, while I AFK in the MCC?

I do things on the forums, I work on spreadsheets for overall balance feedback, I talk in channels to give people help and advice to get them started in dust. I work as a middleman to help corps get in touch with each other. I spend a horrendous amount of time saying the same things over and over on IRC for people who didn't hear them the first time (Things CCP has said on IRC or on the forums, etc) And then there's my real life job.

I could go on, but I think it's safe to say that I make a more positive contribution to dust by 'not playing' , than I would if I were to just sit there and no-life.

You can call me a parasite if you like, but before you make such statements, know that there are very few players out there who have devoted as much time to helping make dust more awesome as I have. (I know that sounds a little conceited and e-peenish, but it was not meant to be) I only bring this up because you have the gall to suggest I do not respect the game or the people who play it. :(

First im amazed others imps have not come in and hijacked this thread already. Kudos to them because if it's one thing you don't want to do its **** on Kane. Really you can troll or call anyone else out and we'd probably be like well he deserved it and troll them too. But Kane big mistake.


First off you make a post on "EVIDENCE." What evidence? You sir would be the worlds crappiest scientist or detective. You indict a person baed on ONE SINGLE MATCH. What you have is a theory and PROOF OF NOTHING.

Did you email him and ask WTF?

Did you in any way try to find out if this was occuring all day?

Did you write a post asking others if they had noticed "players(generic not specific)" if they had noticed an increase in AFK for the day?


The last question is probably the most important because if you truly cared more about the exploit and less about smearing a player you wouldnt have suggested creating a "shame list" and you damn well would made inquires of the prevalence of AFK SP farming instead of just assuming it existed. We know it exists only based on player posts who say they'd do it, but how many people witnessed it actually occuring yesterday? You didn't even bother to ask.


Conclusion you're aim was to smear a really stand up dude with little to no evidence under the guise of hey im just trying to point out an exploit that needs to be addressed.

You have nothing more to go on and no legs to stand on. Fact that you ASSUMED he was AFKing for hard cap. Never mind that the hard cap was bugged for a crap ton of players yesterday and not everyone was reaching 285,600 before hitting soft cap. (CCP explanation as to why is just wrong since i capped everyday this past week and earned close to 190+K before reaching cap and i use bosster, so thats still way over the 40K i should have earned).


Instead you don't go after a prominent player you go after a player who is the CEO of IMPs who has alway been under a microscope because of it and always being met with scrutiny for it DESPITE how IMPARTIAL he truly is in developing the DUST Community.

He organize a tourney, tells imps can't play impswarm can. Few days later sorry can't let impswarm play it may create too much caos and suspicion that it will be IMP alts playing and i want this tourney to go off without issue for the COMMUNITY.

He writes a post informing the COMMUNITY that CB are effecting FW TODAY. Yea didn't let that one slide under the radar either he made sure the CEO's were aware of this given the fragile nature of the EVE environment right now so as to not create an undue backlash on Dust players playing CB's willy nilly and just screwing around in them for fun which meant real consequences EVE side.


This is a guy who gives and gives more of his time to the Community than his own corp(not a bad thing, we get it and appreciate his passion for these games). Which is why to even suggest he'd AFK farm with little to no proof other than ONE ******* GAME!!!! is utter BS, this guy has more integrity than the entire game population combined and his sense of fairness to others even at the expense of his own corp is one of the many reasons why you just plain effed up on this.


As for Duster's Blog you are just straight up trash and im going to find a way to troll the bejesus out your blog, and if i figure out who are in game TK's will be quick and often; something i'll probably be told by Kane to stand down on and not inflame the situation any further. Yea probably just figured out why IMPs aren't all over this. Though i hope kane doesnt let it go.

Oh and IF it is True, id imagine kane fessing up to it and issuing an apology directly to you, cause again thats how stand up he is.


But i believe he wasnt AFK farming and likely something occurred cause i know exactly how busy that guy is and how many plates he's got spinning.

Would you like to know what I do, while I AFK in the MCC?

I do things on the forums, I work on spreadsheets for overall balance feedback, I talk in channels to give people help and advice to get them started in dust. I work as a middleman to help corps get in touch with each other. I spend a horrendous amount of time saying the same things over and over on IRC for people who didn't hear them the first time (Things CCP has said on IRC or on the forums, etc) And then there's my real life job.

I could go on, but I think it's safe to say that I make a more positive contribution to dust by 'not playing' , than I would if I were to just sit there and no-life.

You can call me a parasite if you like, but before you make such statements, know that there are very few players out there who have devoted as much time to helping make dust more awesome as I have. (I know that sounds a little conceited and e-peenish, but it was not meant to be) I only bring this up because you have the gall to suggest I do not respect the game or the people who play it. :(

... This is what all the rage is about?

Why didn't anyone ***** when those Hellstorm guys weren't firing at one another in a pub match, despite being on different teams?

I mean, really; friendly fire isn't on so what does an entire team do when a QUARTER of their members decides to play counter-spy for the enemy team?

Just saying.

I read this whole post and I must say this...Deadeyes STFU. I swear every post I see of yours has the word "leech" In It. And you keep coming back with the same excuse, over and over. I sat and read this for about 30 mins and by now I really want to slap you In the face. But hey! You may be right. But please do us all a favor and give more concrete evidence. Because I'm having a hard time believing a nobody who wants attention, and is a narc, than Kain who has done stuff for this game that you could never do.