Sorry I am breaking my rule about not posting but I think I need to reply to this regardless of what Kain says.

I didn't treat Kain any differently than anyone else. If it was a person in a Corporation and their AFK lost me a really close match I am going to call them out on it. The fact that AFK matches took place during that 24 hour period that rewarded large sums of SP that would be otherwise unearnable was enough for me personally to find motive.

I didn't assume its Kain he is guilty or it's Kain he's innocent I don't know the guy that well. I drew the conclusion based on what I saw and the timing of the incident.

To you this is a great offense because of who he is, to me he is just another guy. If I see him doing crap I'm going to call him out on it. He has not build an aura of infallibility in my eyes. Like you said any other name and it would have been fine for you to accept as truth. To me he is just another person.

Again where is your proof that this was occuring in mass during this 24 hour period. You offer up kane in a single game as PROOF of this being WIDESPREAD.

Where are your inquires into other players doing this. For that matter where are your inquiries that he was AFK beyond this one match. You see the difference, im not calling you out on trashing kane per se, well i am but im calling you out on your methodology. You take this one isolated incident and i guess the posts that of others saying they would exploit the Sp system to AFK farm, but beyond this one incident you dont have anything to back it up.

Nice try deflecting but my point still stands.

1) If it didn't have a name you knew attached you wouldn't of recorded. This topic is now over. I thought you wanted a resolution to an issue - but now you've made it clear you would of trashed anyone with name around here just because they're known.

2) We're forced to play in those matches wether we like it or not if we're to progress.

3) You need to quit with the tears. Half your statement makes perfect sense, but that second half made you seem like every other idiot who thinks there opinion matters more then facts.

And we view this differently. If blue berries go AFK I don't cry. It's just more kills for me. If it's ruining your experience you're probably just not good enough to make a difference for your team.

1) I do this all the time as well, because more often than not I'm too busy doing other stuff to actually play. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this, because people AFK'ing in the MCC are actually getting considerably less ISK and SP than someone who plays the whole match legit .

2) People AFK'ing in the MCC get like half the SP/ISK of someone actually playing. It takes more time AFKing to even come close to what you earn by playing the game. You can call it however negatively you want. You're still never going to be surpassed by someone who's AFK'ing in the MCC if you actually play the game. It's a nonissue.

It is a bit upsetting to see many people sharing the general opinion that it doesn't matter what happens during public matches because their outcome means nothing

you people dont understand anything, even ii was forced to try to leech sp. yesterday it felt like i was being forced to play because of trying to get sp b4 reset, i wanted to get off sooo bad but i couldn't. also Kain does so much while he plays, i dont even see how he can manage RL stuff at the same time when playing Dust the guy is awesome. Who cares about not trying to win a pub match. We have to carry the team ourselves anyway maybe he wanted to see how you guys did lol

leave it up to randoms to try to find any flaw in the imperfects

1) RL. Nobody cares if John Smith got his wife to take 3 points on his licence to avoid a driving ban, now if its an MP on the other hand all over the natonial news. If you put yourself in a public position you should expect to be called out on everything you do good or bad, if you dont like it, dont go public. simples.

2) well what you waiting in the MCC for then F()*^^&*g PLAY but noone is forcing you, you can choose to press the on/off button on your PS3. You dont need to be the highest sp player to progress, you will still progress playing the 1 match a week you're RL time allows without ruining other peoples fun.

3) Take you own advice none of your statements so far in this thread make sence to anyone but spoilt little brats who want everything and give nothing. You are imposing your opinion all over this thread. And how are you going to make a difference for your team hiding "AFK" in the MCC





1) why dont you log off and never log back on if stuff is so boring, doesnt matter what game modes are invented you are playing an FPS if shooting people bores you so much find another game to exploit.
They are ruining the experience for everybody else! if pub matches are meaningless to you stay out, oh year you cannot because you need the SP therefore they are not meaningless could you get anymore confusing?. Bet you're one of those guys who runs home to Mummy with his ball because the other kids didnt pass to you. If i cannot have fun playing im damn sure going to spoil it for everyone else. what a brat

2) So its acceptable for me to come round to your house and rob you of $10K worth of equipment? My justification is "that guy over there robbed 1 million from the guy next door, my crime is small in comparision so should be ignored"

Theft = Theft
Exploiting = Exploiting

Doesn't matter how its spun its never right, beta or not anyone exploiting an exploit more than twice should be perma banned. Once the time you didnt know it was an exploit, Twice to test it was actually and exploit and not something you imagined and thrice to prove its repeatable before reporting to CCP at this point let CCP fix it and stop exploiting a known exploit.




+1 its much more than a bit upsetting though. why is their so many people not willing to play for fun anymore.

imho, WHO CARES. im sorry but im sure this thread is something much more detrimental to the Dust community than what one well known great player MAY or MAY NOT have done in a match. Im sure him not being there during the match wasnt the one single reason the pub was lost for your team. Im sure there were another 14 other blueberries there that could have been equally to blame for not performing well, i could be wrong but whatever. Win or lose a pub or a corp match, as long as YOU are playing , then your still benefitting. you got your SP and ISK and got to practice against a good team, so whats the deal?

I leeched allllllll last night and hit the 280,000 cap. I also played a game at 1 am with kain last night where we went 16 kills in a forge gun and I didn't notice it was kain untill I jumped in a fancy colored LAV. When I wasn't sitting in the MCC I was testing how many places my scout with AUR speed mods could jump too, why should I fight every game?

I played some games not others, its not my fault or his ccp made a dumb bug that made no lifting the only way to get yesterdays sp. And I still don't think ccp thinks they made a mistake

Also why do you care ? There is no reward for winning a match and nothing to lose from not winning. Also why do you care how other choose to spend their time testing a bets. Yeah becuase we stent playing a game we are testing it. You could of Sat in the MCC too.

Ccp choose to make sitting in the MCC give out 8,000 sp, they bugged the cap letting people get 600,000 sp last week. But overall its kinda creepy you singled him out over a game with no incentive to win outside corp battles. Not to mention how it shoupdnt be throwing badasses like kain or myself into matches with newberries in the 1st place.

Suck it up last night was special. At least he wasn't redzone sniping.

Also again you lost 0 sp and 0 isk for losing the match so why do you give a **** blame ccp.

lol all this just to troll? fail

Not sure when it became socially acceptable to abandon your squad mates in a match to work on Dust related projects. It seems like the people who do this a lot feel like it's perfectly fine behavior. If you treat pub matches like trash and don't show up for any reason its pretty disrespectful to those 15 players. I get it though a lot of people have no respect for anyone in, or anything to do with a pub match.

Nope all that to prove you fail at reading as well as fail at gaming, just makes me wonder what else you fail at in life. Probably all of it seeing as the way to circumvent boredom is to sit in an MCC staring at a wall. Go to your doc's he may have some advice, drugs or something.

People do this all the time. You're just trying to create drama as Kain is a well known member of the community.

Besides we're beta testers aren't we? We're meant to exploit these things. Remember when WARRIORS abused armour reps?Remember how they forced CCP to fix things, rather than let it go on forever?

the reason we treat pubs as trash is because its a PUB nothing serious kid, he have been the cause of our wining millions of times. look at our stats, just because you didnt get help from one guy you look up to dont mean you can blame a lost on him.

It's CCP's fault they made me play their game for 10 hours last night because of a bug in their SP system. I just couldn't do it so I had to leech to achieve what they were making me achieve I really wish I didn't have to do it but CCP made me.

Talk about not taking responsibility. Playing the game is "your" choice, so is leeching, try and remember that.

Hahaha...oh man...you know why sp "farming " exsists? Ccp knew they needed to give sp for time spent in a game because scrubs wouldn't get sp if it was based solely from warpoints. I "farm " because I don't feel like playing and I don't feel like losing the sp edge. When the rollover system is in place it wont matter, and currently your pub matches don't matter either, winning doesn't make it fun, the gameplay does. I want them to remove the in game passive sp, but if they did 80% of the players would quit, so ingame passive must exsist.

Again. This wont be an issue that much with rollover and if it is, so what. Rise to the occasion, when I play with randoms I feel like they aren't doing anything anyhow. Pompous? Arrogant? Conceded? Perhaps, but that doesn't change how I feel.

What it it cost you noob. Did your k/d go down ? Did you earn less isk or sp from the match ?
eLeeching is my choice, and complaining over nothing was yours. Congratz give your self a pat on the back.

you people dont understand anything, even ii was forced to try to leech sp.

I like how much disdain and condescension this thread is exposing from the Imperfects for the public match players. There is a difference between not playing 100% and taking it as serious as a corp match, and not even showing up. It's sad when a 1-10 newberry is better to see on your team than an imperfect because they have developed so much apathy for the game and the community they probably won't even play if it's not their official sanctioned corp battle.

Hahaha...oh man...you know why sp "farming " exsists? Ccp knew they needed to give sp for time spent in a game because scrubs wouldn't get sp if it was based solely from warpoints. I "farm " because I don't feel like playing and I don't feel like losing the sp edge. When the rollover system is in place it wont matter, and currently your pub matches don't matter either, winning doesn't make it fun, the gameplay does. I want them to remove the in game passive sp, but if they did 80% of the players would quit, so ingame passive must exsist.

Again. This wont be an issue that much with rollover and if it is, so what. Rise to the occasion, when I play with randoms I feel like they aren't doing anything anyhow. Pompous? Arrogant? Conceded? Perhaps, but that doesn't change how I feel.

I like how much disdain and condescension this thread is exposing from the Imperfects for the public match players. There is a difference between not playing 100% and taking it as serious as a corp match, and not even showing up. It's sad when a 1-10 newberry is better to see on your team than an imperfect because they have developed so much apathy for the game and the community they probably won't even play if it's not their official sanctioned corp battle.

That's bull. No one forced anyone. I played as much as i wanted to and that was actually less than usual. It still was enough for me to earn more than the 27k that i was granted daily before but when i was done playing i went to do other stuff. I could've easily left my character leech on MCCs for a lot more time but i didn't for a very simple reason that people are trying to silence:

This is not just dishonest because of the SP leeching, it's also that in doing so you're taking up a spot on a team while doing nothing for said team and increasing the chance of this team's battle become a struggle against a full sided team. It matters even more when you know this AFK player could be decisive. Everyone that has played long enough will know that one single player can win you or lose you a game. When a player is MIA, it completely betrays your team. I've seen people going 3-10 be important in a match to secure a win, i may even value the effort a complete noob makes even if he failed to kill a single person but a person that is willingly standing around doing nothing is the most serious act of betrayal you could do to your team.

Funnily, this is why the other case i witnessed was also a player from a well known corp playing BY HIMSELF. These players are not usually seen playing without a squad. When you see these corps in battle, it's normal that you see them grouped and that's fine with me. But when they want to leech they go solo and jeopardize other people's games? Why is that? Why wasn't Kain or the other player i saw with their corp as usual? It's evident, because that would be something that you wouldn't be willing to put your own corp mates through. You wouldn't abandon them and let them go and fight on their own while you stand back.

So these players found a way to not feel bad for this. If they're alone, they're ******* with other people's game, and who cares about others, right?! As long as they don't do it to you, it's fine. What this shows is that this act was dishonest. If you're unwiling to do that with those you feel you're responsible to, then you shouldn't do it with others too.

let me ask you this, what have you done for this "community"? do you play this game? or do you test it? why are you so bent out of shape for losing one pub match? do you not understand that WE control these pubs so we do what we want. i have a 7-9 W/L ratio and our corp as a whole has around a 4 or 5 W/L ratio (probably more than yours anyway). winning is something we do naturally and we win even if its 4v16. next time dont take pubs too seriously scrub

No you can see I went 15-5 against some pretty good opponents in the match. It was not my performance, but rather the lack of performance from other members that was troublesome. I'm glad you are making this a more general issue, It seems like SP leeching is a pretty common and accepted play style among the elite of many different corporations.