Not kains style he could have hardlocked or crashed this seems more like an attempt to generate drama using q popular and well known member of community I doubt this event even happend tbh

????? I'm confused. DONT blame CCP for a game mechanic they set up and anyone with half a brain could take advantage of? Why? I'm confused.

And even if Kain was recorded doing this it's probably because of IRL circumstance or was busy elsewhere. If it was anyone else who isn't trying to be an active leader of the Dust community this thread may of gained some ground with me - but there's really no way I'll believe Kain is purposely trying to ruin pubbies good times when he's one of the advocates of expanding dust.

If you continue to catch him doing it then by all means continue to smear him by posting these threads - I love a good reason to troll. But it's not my love for anyone that I say what I say, it's a fact he's done more then most. You're posting an assumption with little detail other then, "He spawned then went afk." Did you send him a message asking why? Or did you just go a head and make this thread pointing it out for everyone to see?

You're right to say he's popular around here. For good reason. so if you want to smear him you need something concrete, not a single pub match.

So if a blueberry does it, who gives a **** right? But if Kain does it OH **** the world will end!!!!!!

OP, was it really your attention to attack someone who spends time and money trying to make this community better for everyone just so you could point out one pub match? 100 leechers combined wouldn't be as **** as what you've just started.

You are just trying to smear him. Admit it.

Also he's not "leeching" sp. his actions aren't directly causing you to earn less. Besides he makes what, 5K sp for sitting idle for a fair while. It's not like he gets some huge unfair advantage.

And how do you know he didn't hard freeze or something? It's full of bugs and exploits and we're MEANT to exploit them that's why it's in beta.

If it didn't have a name you knew attached you wouldn't of recorded. This topic is now over. I thought you wanted a resolution to an issue - but now you've made it clear you would of trashed anyone with name around here just because they're known.

If it was a random, would you have still recorded it and made a thread about it?

The fact is, SP farming is done by many people and yet no one ever makes a thread about them but if a well known player does it then hell, we need to doom him to the deepest parts of hell.

Also why don't you understand that this is a beta. I would rather he farms SP now and CCP changes it, than have him farm SP once the game releases.

I've posted too much on this lol

It really isn't a big deal - doubt Kain will care. You may not understand repercussions but it's fine. A lot of us really don't care for pub matches. That may upset many - but blame CCP. We're forced to play in those matches wether we like it or not if we're to progress. What would you prefer, because if a squad of imperfects went AFK as red berries to you - pretty sure you wouldn't be complaining about a loss of fun. And many of us are on level with the destruction they sow out - and we're bored.

We're - so - damn - bored. New game modes please.

Awesome, great, you have an opinion. Now here's another. I want SP.

Seems we collide :)

Things can just come up. I know there was an incident last night that came up with me. I dropped down at the beginning of a skirmish and my 4 month old wakes up screaming. If you think I'm not going to immediately drop the controller and sooth her you're insane.

So, people should never use tanks, because other people getting stomped by tanks is not enjoyable for them?

That;s a horrible parallel, but it makes about as much sense as people complaining about this.


You say you're playing for fun : But you're complaining that people aren't helping you win. That's contradicting itself right there. There is absolutely no reason to take pub matches seriously. If you're really playing for your own enjoyment, what someone else is doing should not matter to you in the slighest. Do you complain about brand new and/or bad players who can't get a kill and just go like 0/15 for the round, doing nothing but feed the enemy kills and clone your team out?

You're trying to take the high road here where there really isn't one.

People AFK'ing in the MCC get like half the SP/ISK of someone actually playing. It takes more time AFKing to even come close to what you earn by playing the game. You can call it however negatively you want. You're still never going to be surpassed by someone who's AFK'ing in the MCC if you actually play the game. It's a nonissue.


Take me for example : I've been really busy doing other StuffTM the past few weeks since the reset/daily cap. Playing normally I'd never have enough time to hit the cap every day and still get my other stuff done. This would mean that I would be 'behind' in the progression scheme of things, and no amount of grinding when I actually do have time to play would ever allow me to catch up. That's the biggest problem with the caps right now. But by AFK'ing for a few hours/day, I've been able to cap out every day without worrying about needing to finish my own stuff.


I'd wager a lot of ISK that is what Kain was afking for similar reason. He has 'more important' things to do related to dust than actually playing the game.

First im amazed others imps have not come in and hijacked this thread already. Kudos to them because if it's one thing you don't want to do its **** on Kane. Really you can troll or call anyone else out and we'd probably be like well he deserved it and troll them too. But Kane big mistake.


First off you make a post on "EVIDENCE." What evidence? You sir would be the worlds crappiest scientist or detective. You indict a person baed on ONE SINGLE MATCH. What you have is a theory and PROOF OF NOTHING.

Did you email him and ask WTF?

Did you in any way try to find out if this was occuring all day?

Did you write a post asking others if they had noticed "players(generic not specific)" if they had noticed an increase in AFK for the day?


The last question is probably the most important because if you truly cared more about the exploit and less about smearing a player you wouldnt have suggested creating a "shame list" and you damn well would made inquires of the prevalence of AFK SP farming instead of just assuming it existed. We know it exists only based on player posts who say they'd do it, but how many people witnessed it actually occuring yesterday? You didn't even bother to ask.


Conclusion you're aim was to smear a really stand up dude with little to no evidence under the guise of hey im just trying to point out an exploit that needs to be addressed.

You have nothing more to go on and no legs to stand on. Fact that you ASSUMED he was AFKing for hard cap. Never mind that the hard cap was bugged for a crap ton of players yesterday and not everyone was reaching 285,600 before hitting soft cap. (CCP explanation as to why is just wrong since i capped everyday this past week and earned close to 190+K before reaching cap and i use bosster, so thats still way over the 40K i should have earned).


Instead you don't go after a prominent player you go after a player who is the CEO of IMPs who has alway been under a microscope because of it and always being met with scrutiny for it DESPITE how IMPARTIAL he truly is in developing the DUST Community.

He organize a tourney, tells imps can't play impswarm can. Few days later sorry can't let impswarm play it may create too much caos and suspicion that it will be IMP alts playing and i want this tourney to go off without issue for the COMMUNITY.

He writes a post informing the COMMUNITY that CB are effecting FW TODAY. Yea didn't let that one slide under the radar either he made sure the CEO's were aware of this given the fragile nature of the EVE environment right now so as to not create an undue backlash on Dust players playing CB's willy nilly and just screwing around in them for fun which meant real consequences EVE side.


This is a guy who gives and gives more of his time to the Community than his own corp(not a bad thing, we get it and appreciate his passion for these games). Which is why to even suggest he'd AFK farm with little to no proof other than ONE ******* GAME!!!! is utter BS, this guy has more integrity than the entire game population combined and his sense of fairness to others even at the expense of his own corp is one of the many reasons why you just plain effed up on this.


As for Duster's Blog you are just straight up trash and im going to find a way to troll the bejesus out your blog, and if i figure out who are in game TK's will be quick and often; something i'll probably be told by Kane to stand down on and not inflame the situation any further. Yea probably just figured out why IMPs aren't all over this. Though i hope kane doesnt let it go.

Oh and IF it is True, id imagine kane fessing up to it and issuing an apology directly to you, cause again thats how stand up he is.


But i believe he wasnt AFK farming and likely something occurred cause i know exactly how busy that guy is and how many plates he's got spinning.

Would you like to know what I do, while I AFK in the MCC?

I do things on the forums, I work on spreadsheets for overall balance feedback, I talk in channels to give people help and advice to get them started in dust. I work as a middleman to help corps get in touch with each other. I spend a horrendous amount of time saying the same things over and over on IRC for people who didn't hear them the first time (Things CCP has said on IRC or on the forums, etc) And then there's my real life job.

I could go on, but I think it's safe to say that I make a more positive contribution to dust by 'not playing' , than I would if I were to just sit there and no-life.

You can call me a parasite if you like, but before you make such statements, know that there are very few players out there who have devoted as much time to helping make dust more awesome as I have. (I know that sounds a little conceited and e-peenish, but it was not meant to be) I only bring this up because you have the gall to suggest I do not respect the game or the people who play it. :(

I read this whole post and I must say this...Deadeyes STFU. I swear every post I see of yours has the word "leech" In It. And you keep coming back with the same excuse, over and over. I sat and read this for about 30 mins and by now I really want to slap you In the face. But hey! You may be right. But please do us all a favor and give more concrete evidence. Because I'm having a hard time believing a nobody who wants attention, and is a narc, than Kain who has done stuff for this game that you could never do.

Again where is your proof that this was occuring in mass during this 24 hour period. You offer up kane in a single game as PROOF of this being WIDESPREAD.

Where are your inquires into other players doing this. For that matter where are your inquiries that he was AFK beyond this one match. You see the difference, im not calling you out on trashing kane per se, well i am but im calling you out on your methodology. You take this one isolated incident and i guess the posts that of others saying they would exploit the Sp system to AFK farm, but beyond this one incident you dont have anything to back it up.

Nice try deflecting but my point still stands.

you people dont understand anything, even ii was forced to try to leech sp. yesterday it felt like i was being forced to play because of trying to get sp b4 reset, i wanted to get off sooo bad but i couldn't. also Kain does so much while he plays, i dont even see how he can manage RL stuff at the same time when playing Dust the guy is awesome. Who cares about not trying to win a pub match. We have to carry the team ourselves anyway maybe he wanted to see how you guys did lol

leave it up to randoms to try to find any flaw in the imperfects

I leeched allllllll last night and hit the 280,000 cap. I also played a game at 1 am with kain last night where we went 16 kills in a forge gun and I didn't notice it was kain untill I jumped in a fancy colored LAV. When I wasn't sitting in the MCC I was testing how many places my scout with AUR speed mods could jump too, why should I fight every game?

I played some games not others, its not my fault or his ccp made a dumb bug that made no lifting the only way to get yesterdays sp. And I still don't think ccp thinks they made a mistake

Also why do you care ? There is no reward for winning a match and nothing to lose from not winning. Also why do you care how other choose to spend their time testing a bets. Yeah becuase we stent playing a game we are testing it. You could of Sat in the MCC too.

Ccp choose to make sitting in the MCC give out 8,000 sp, they bugged the cap letting people get 600,000 sp last week. But overall its kinda creepy you singled him out over a game with no incentive to win outside corp battles. Not to mention how it shoupdnt be throwing badasses like kain or myself into matches with newberries in the 1st place.

Suck it up last night was special. At least he wasn't redzone sniping.

Also again you lost 0 sp and 0 isk for losing the match so why do you give a **** blame ccp.

the reason we treat pubs as trash is because its a PUB nothing serious kid, he have been the cause of our wining millions of times. look at our stats, just because you didnt get help from one guy you look up to dont mean you can blame a lost on him.

What it it cost you noob. Did your k/d go down ? Did you earn less isk or sp from the match ?
eLeeching is my choice, and complaining over nothing was yours. Congratz give your self a pat on the back.

Why worry aboit winning if there is no reward, incentive, or reward for helping your team win. If ccp won't change it, its our job ad beta testers to abuse it. Especially with last night. I allready play enough to hit the cap in a week, but a day ? Yikes , nope time to abuse giant flaws in game design.

The losing team should get 0 sp, you want to see people fighting the death with passion? That'll do it.

Son, I've been playing eve since beta, I've been killing conchord with dreads supported by cans full of cap charges that forced ccp to fix it. I've followed dust for the past 6 years.

This beta is fun but winning for winnings sake gives no incentive. Here try this this, write, victory on a piece of paper , tape it to your TV at the end of each match.

Btw we get it you keep changing your character so you can like your own posts, stop grinding likes. Forum warrioring is serious , why even post if you are going to abuse something put in place by Ccp?

I'd Blame ccp hut you've made it obvious its not their fault you are cheating the system. So stop being a hypocrite.

Sooo OP... 1 question.

If Kain had gone 0/0 in that match and another blueberry had gone 0-9 and you guys lost by clones, would you make a post about that guy "costing you the match"?

Because I consistently see 0-9, 0-12, 0-14s in matches I play in and I don't make posts on the forums about them "costing me a match" by their horrible gun game.

If it was a no name scrub you saw chilling in the MCC there would be no post.

But the game has something on the line, a reason to take it seriously. The victory at the end of the game of baseball can have meaning. But they designed dust currently to be more like a game of back yard baseball.

Winning means nothing, middle of the game the pitcher leaves becusse his mom calls him in for dinner, and then someone gets mad and tries to make everyone hate him for leaving in the middle of a game by raging on the playground.

See the problem? See the difference between a game where winning has value and a game designed like backyard sports ?

I agree with you It's lame, and leeching is dumb. But when I had time I put a lot of effort into matches, and so did kain. The man picked me up in his fancy lav, and he was at the top of the leader board using nothing but a forge gun.

I don't agree with making any beta tester out to be a villain for playing within the rules of the game. Kain is great , he doesn't deserve **** for beta testing the game. Kain doesn't deserve a bad name just becuase he abused a mechanic. Zion has been abusing the FW system , and look ! It's getting fixed.

The focus and topic of your thread was not "I think passive sp gain in the redzone is broken, look I even found famous players doing it !" The topic of your thread was "kain is as *******, hey everyone you should hate this guy I'm making an example of."

Don't try to 180 and change your topic, you made this thread more about trying to slander an amazing addition to the community,

Deadeye I was online last night when you proclaimed your great discovery in the Rise of Legion channel. You, no matter what you say here came after kain because he is an Imperfect. NOT because you are concerned about "SP farming". Everyone knows about this and its been posted about before.

Sorry man I call bullshit. I have nothing against you but if you haven't seen someone afking in mcc before you have the eyesight of a bat.

Back to the fact that I was on last night. I had not hit my cap and was afk in mcc. I had a match that I only got like 1800~ sp then the next match on got ZERO. There was a reason kain was doing what he was doing and it had to do with testing.

There have been many issues regarding bugs with sp caps and we thought this could be another one. More specifically some players (me specifcially) logged in last night late to get a few more SPs and dust acted as though I had it the cap when i only earned about 150k yesterday.

There is a reason kain didn't come out and say "beers was afking in mcc and was bitching about not getting sp" He was in a squad and left it to help me figure out whats going on. He thougth ccp may have nerfed the "sit in mcc earn sp game mode"

Kain's one the good mercs in dust and didn't try and make an excuse for it. When in reality I was the reason he was doing it.



PS I'm not mad/attacking/trolling you deadeye because your corcern for the issue is genuine to me. I am just disappointed in how you went about it. If you caught me on video and posted a thread about me I would simply respond "Yup your right, now what?"

Oh how far the once exalted Kane Spero has fallen.

Now, he will forever be known as a leecher and will wallow in the muck along with the rest of the filth that they call the imperfects.

Congrats, OP on your solid defense of a quality argument. You did not back down and stood your ground against some of the biggest, self-entitled bullies in the game.

Bravo to you.

Well we can just agree to disagree then. I read what was posted in the Rise channel by you when it happened. I understand it to be frustration so I didn't think to speak to you about it(and it was 3 am and I was dead tired) You had the right to be frustrated/angry about it, I won't disagree with that.

I have gone about things poorly on the forums myself so I not going not bash you for it.

I'm afk right now as I post in this thread. Bring on the hate.

I'm starting to think a community AFK MCC event might make sure the AFK active SP is dealt with in the SP system for the next build. Maybe we can even get a hot-fix out of it.