I wrote this up in one of the first pages using G slicks hit proportions due to movement and kick. The math is on. It also compares MD to AR because that was one of his complaints in the beginning.

The numbers are.
Standard AR with hit chance of 5 to 6 rounds out of 10 - 170 per second
Duvolle AR with increased hit chance due to skills 7 out of 10 round - 224 per second

Standard MD direct hit - 225 - splash - 115 per second
Freedom MD direct hit - 270 - splash - 138 per second

That is a difference of 54 damage a second at the duvolle level, this again is without any damage buffs straight from the numbers given by weapon description.

Nice numbers.

Got a way to calculate actual damage values on the MDs yet?

If you assume those AR numbers are accurate for how often a player is actually going to be hitting, that means there's approximately a 31% increase in effective DPS from the Standard AR to the Duvolle. I thought it would be less than that.

Nice numbers.

Got a way to calculate actual damage values on the MDs yet?

If you assume those AR numbers are accurate for how often a player is actually going to be hitting, that means there's approximately a 31% increase in effective DPS from the Standard AR to the Duvolle. I thought it would be less than that.

Most people do. They never take in consideration the dps only the number per bullet.

The actual numbers from the splash of a MD is off I think some times I do more some times I do less. I can't really give you that yet only the numbers from the weapon stats. I will say how ever that your chance of damaging someone with splash from a MD does increase do to the splash increase by weapon and the 25% radius from operation LV5.

<--- AR user says:
AR's are fine now, they were OP before, STFU and HTFU.
All they need to do is to remove this silly Iron sight that blocks your target so much that in its intended range (medium) you can't even see your target.
Infact, I would say add MOAR recoil, I can unload a full 60 bullets clip and still stay accurate at medium range.
If your idea was to make us burst fire CCP, you failed.

Yeah but people wont hold still so I can get some numbers lol.

Pretty sure splash has a "falloff" rate as you get further out from the centre of the blast.

Yea your MD numbers are definitely off. Yesterday several times I had splash dmg from a single MD round (note i stated splash so not a direct hit) do ~275-300 dmg and this was to shields not armor.....I dont even want to know what they would do to armor.

Yea your MD numbers are definitely off. Yesterday several times I had splash dmg from a single MD round (note i stated splash so not a direct hit) do ~275-300 dmg and this was to shields not armor.....I dont even want to know what they would do to armor.

That is very possible. My numbers are from the weapon stats. Given round/splash damage and the rate of fire of 1 round per second.

But I do see my damage varying from nothing to making up for the last shot doing nothing, but this is all off of splash direct hit usually really hurts a lot on anything shields or armor.

13 pages? I'm starting to believe I died today and I'm in hell seriously needs a lock ARs are just fine imo , in fact they feel better now.
HTFU and get over it.

STFU ARs feel like **** right now and were over nerfed, don't deny it.

No matter how hard I try I can't make a reasonable reply.
Seriously WTF are you high on? There was a minor change in sights and now they are over nerfed , shows how much skill you actually have and in the meantime is dust your first FPS game or did you spend half of your day playing LBP?(<-- great game if played properly)

No matter how hard I try I can't make a reasonable reply.
Seriously WTF are you high on? There was a minor change in sights and now they are over nerfed , shows how much skill you actually have and in the meantime is dust your first FPS game or did you spend half of your day playing LBP?(<-- great game if played properly)

i dont know what all the fuss is about. I can still go 26-1 on skirmish with a assault rifle. I know how to control the recoil on AR's and im not going to tell you how i do it. But one thing i can say its experience from COD games and some observations that ive made to counter the recoil. Its not that hard if you figure it out but oh well fully auto spray and pray scrubs.

Ok, this has probably been said a bunch but i will say it anyways.

This is a beta, things change, things get nerfed. Live with it. This IS what you signed up for.

When people's forge guns and hmgs get an unneeded nerf nobody is gonna raise a figner, but you're up in arms about a small AR change?

What is wrong with you.

Give him a break G, he didn't even read the thread, how could he know he isn't supposed to be here.