ARs are way better now. I feel rewarded for actually being a good AR user when i see now how i get a lot more killed by players that just full-auto while running at me at 35m distance..... Stop being mad.

And the damage nerf is for every weapon in the game. You're whining just like HMG user are whining.... Both weapons are now as fine as ever.

LR being the king at long range against AR ? Where's the big surprise ?
When the tac rifle will actually be fixed you'll a kind of counter, but never as effective as the LR.. Lower RoF (around half the current Rof) Lower recoil as the current one is just crazy making it useless at long range (isnt that the whole point of the weapon ? long range ? ).

MDs are slightly annoying at short range that i agree with. Jumping around firing at the ground shouldnt be rewarded. But at mid-long range. MD requires skill.

Anyway, take it like a man.

Actually The Southern Legion has some of the best MD users on the Asia Servers in it.. and they're up there on US and EU servers too... you CAN dodge MD blasts in the open due to the travel time. You CAN avoid the Lion's share of the AoE damage pretty easily. I manage that, and keep my AR trained on them usually either forcing them to take cover, or killing them.

I don't see where you got that the maps are smaller. They didn;t reduce the size of the maps... they moved some of the objectives closer together. The 'combative area' is smaller, the maps are either same size or even slightly bigger in some cases.

you people dont seem to realize that MDs will kill any AR now, they do way more damage, they have range similar to a sniper, they are easier to use than ARs. i mean every time i hit you with splash your aim gets knocked off center. ARs did need a recoil but not nerf to be worst than all the other weapons

Big assumption thinking you've been in the game longer? Replication? Pre-Replication? Could be a renamed older player... or an alt of said older player.

Have you been living in a closet for the last few builds?

When CCP change things they do it to the extreme. Just look what happened to misile turrets, massive nerf then they have rebalanced them again this build.

AR wont stay like this forever, new sights will come with probably a cost, damage values will change and recoil is fine no need to change.

Ar's just need recoil. They were too easy to use before compared to other non instant hit weapons and such.

OK before you read this i would like to apologize for my rude behavior in this post. I didnt mean to seem QQ im just fearing the death of this game.
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I will explain for all you fags who will post i am just QQing.

no have you played the ambush maps yet? i have been playing ambush all day and they have shrunk the maps, to the point where im surprised people still snipe on ambush

ARs should be the main weapon of choice with all other weapons branched out with their different roles

You're really overdoing the hyperbole.
Do you know how much damage a AR can do from just 1 full second of firing? Standard basic AR does 387.5 damage per second.
You're seriously saying using a weapon whose shots travel in an arc that you must predict where it will land is actually easier than just bullets instantly hitting where you point your gun?
You're seriously saying ARs are worse than any other weapon? Even the nova knife which is basically an inferior closer range shotgun that you have to charge?
You seriously just compared the range of a mass driver to a sniper rifle.

Beginning your post with such obvious disingenuousness proves that you are QQing. Even if you have something unpleasant to say, you can still say it politely.

where have you been? i have tested and realized that the MDs have about a 130m range and on direct impact can do 200+ damage and it only needs three shots of splash to kill common ARs. one of the proto MDs do 350+ direct damage i think. and AR do not do that much damage in one second your lost.

Hi G-SLicK,

I see what you are saying, but I'm afraid I disagree about a number of points.

I agree that ARs should be one of the central weapons in a game, they should, in my opinion be the best medium range light weapon going, but that's all. I don't think you can say as you can't say how people should play the game.

#1. A Heavy, face to face, 1v1 should take out anyone else. An AR user should have to either out match the heavy in terms of equipment, or (preferably) out play them by using the terrain, their maneuverability and by ganging up on them.

#2. I agree, laser rifles have a different niche to ARs, and a good user should be able to take down most things at range.

#3. Snipers camping a single point are frustrating, often for both teams. I think a slight change in the map designs so that the crest of the hills is inside the red zone would help. This would better allow sniper hunters to sneak up on them and would hopefully discourage them from sticking in one point for the whole game. Otherwise, I agree that the TacAR should be one of the weapons that is usable to hunt them down. I think that it needs some recoil in place though, two shots in close succession should still hit the target except perhaps at extreme ranges, which shout be enough to drop most snipers if you headshot them, but any more than that should go astray. The TacAR shouldn't be close to matching the rpm of a normal AR no matter how quick your trigger finger is.

#4. I've not really seen many mass drivers yet, so can't comment on them.

TL:DR? I agree with OP about a couPle of points, but generally think that the new ARs are better that before.

34.1 Damage per shot

750.0 RPM

750 / 60 = 12.5 Shots per second

12.5 x 34.1 = 426.25 Damage PER SECOND

Mathematically proven.

Do you know the chances of actually hitting anyone with a mass driver at that range? You have to predict where the arc will end, and account for moving targets, the mass driver rounds are really slow.

A STANDARD basic AR (not advanced or prototype), that's right, a STANDARD AR can do 387.5 damage in ONE SECOND. That is more menacing than a prototype MD doing 350.
200+ round damage from an MD is not impressive compared to that, especially considering the extra difficulty of actually landing a direct hit.

ok? but this is dust buddy wrong subject. count in movement and people missing alot, plus MDs able to knock ARs aim off.....your not doing 426.25 damage PER SECOND

i thank you for your post, i do agree ARs are not supposed to be OP, BUT they should over nerf things like they hae done, they needed to add recoil and thats it

Tell me what other FPS shooter doesn't have ARs for main weapons.

Why has nobody answered one of the easiest questions from the OP?


Doom, Strife, Heretic, Hexen, Red Faction, Thief, Dishonored, that Star Trek: Voyager FPS I forget the name of...

There are quite a few games that don't have ARs as a "main" weapon. Some of which don't even have ARs (or any equivalent), and some of which have something that fits the functionality, but isn't a "main" weapon in any sense.

I'd list some of the survival-style mods for Fallout 3 as well, but it's arguably more RPG than shooter (it kind of works both ways), and I don't know if you'd count mods.

no the maps are alot smaller im sorry, they shrunk every map to make the ARs work better with their nerf. and MDs are the new weapons of choice i just spec in my first few this morning and they are beast at killing any and everything including vehicles, you havnt seen them used by good players just wait

im fearing when they increase map sizes even more than the way they were b4, weapons like mass drivers and laser rifles and of course snipers will be the go to

This something that worries me too...