They are "focusing on player count" by making us ALL play with iron sights....you guys sound like a bunch of sissys complaining sbout the iron sights BUT YOU'RE SO GOOD RIGHT....FPS GODS RIGHT?Then why does it phase you at all....cuz yer fkn exploit mod controller using bitches...Dont try to act like yer some fuking self rightous expert on FPS shooter games you fkn hack....WHHAAAA MY CREO WHAAA MY TAC WHHA IRON SIGHTS....fuckin grow up you winey *****.....What game doesnt have muzzle rise these days for a gun that does more damage or slowere ROF....WOW this is fking hilarious.....dont see you guys talking all the **** about a 25 million dollar corp match now do I? scrub


and dont ever try to put on airs like your concerned about the "new player"you guys dont give a **** about kicking the crap out of them until they quit and think this game sux while you wear you proto gear and go 8 IMPS deep into matches smashin on militia dudes/noobs...keep it real.

Online fps games were ar is not central.

Halo, ar is present but other weapons overshadow, although other rifles are popular.
Unreal, no ar at all
Doom, base weapon is a ar but htat style of shooter the base is normally weakest.
painkiller, no ar at all
Resistance, no ar at all, only battle rifles.
Call of duty games set in WWII, only ar is the stg44
Battlefield games set in WWII, only ar is the stg44

Each race needs a general purpose assault weapon. The ar is the Gallente weapon for this, other 3 races need there own for the same role. Amarr being laser rifle and/or scrambler, caldari being Gauss rifle. Minmatar will have something, I personally hope something like a sci-fi browning automatic rifle from wwii.

The scope being changed out will help once we get that option.

I think the main problem is the recoil makes the barrel rise but not return after a burst. I checked MAG, Boarderlands 2, and Killzone 3 to see if I was remembering wrong, they all had the barrel fall after firing stopped. Repeated bursts in dust keep raising the barrel, but it never lowers.

if this was changed so the barrel lowered after firing stopped it would help. The recoil and dispersion seem to be done separably, so if the gun recovered the muzzle rise after pause, but not to exact spot from dispersion it would be much better.

Online fps games were ar is not central.

Halo, ar is present but other weapons overshadow, although other rifles are popular.
Unreal, no ar at all
Doom, base weapon is a ar but htat style of shooter the base is normally weakest.
painkiller, no ar at all
Resistance, no ar at all, only battle rifles.
Call of duty games set in WWII, only ar is the stg44
Battlefield games set in WWII, only ar is the stg44

Each race needs a general purpose assault weapon. The ar is the Gallente weapon for this, other 3 races need there own for the same role. Amarr being laser rifle and/or scrambler, caldari being Gauss rifle. Minmatar will have something, I personally hope something like a sci-fi browning automatic rifle from wwii.

The scope being changed out will help once we get that option.

I think the main problem is the recoil makes the barrel rise but not return after a burst. I checked MAG, Boarderlands 2, and Killzone 3 to see if I was remembering wrong, they all had the barrel fall after firing stopped. Repeated bursts in dust keep raising the barrel, but it never lowers.

if this was changed so the barrel lowered after firing stopped it would help. The recoil and dispersion seem to be done separably, so if the gun recovered the muzzle rise after pause, but not to exact spot from dispersion it would be much better.

Right now, in game, there an imbalance issue as there is no good counter to laser range besides the burst AR.

...or a good player with the Tac AR
...or a Sniper Rifle
...or a Mass Driver in the right hands
...or effective use of cover
...or a cheap HAV
...or a decent LAV
...or a Dropship

...or a good player with the Tac AR
...or a Sniper Rifle
...or a Mass Driver in the right hands
...or effective use of cover
...or a cheap HAV
...or a decent LAV
...or a Dropship

So either vehicles or ...not in the hands of 90% of the players?

Do you want 40% of the players using MD or Sniper rifles? Would that be a fun game?

The Tac is a poor choice against laser right now.

Cover is just situational.

So either vehicles or ...not in the hands of 90% of the players?

Do you want 40% of the players using MD or Sniper rifles? Would that be a fun game?

The Tac is a poor choice against laser right now.

Cover is just situational.

Uh, how about using a laser rifle to battle the laser rifle user?

This is the real problem.

The Dust CCP devs are really really poor at communicating their goals with changes like these.

The AR was properly good at mid, ok at range and ok at CQB.

The removal of the camera sight from the AR seems to leave a big hole in the weapons.

It may be that there will be attachable scopes but it was premature to remove the camera zoom without those options in game.

Wasn't that the problem with the AR though? That it was too easy to be good at all three ranges? It was the best at mid range, as well as being competitive at short and long range.

As you say, no other weapon compared to it.
Isn't that the definition of unbalanced?

All of the people who are "happy" with the AR nerf never fired a weapon before. The reason why AR's are supposed to be stable platforms is because they excel in all ranges except extremely long distance that belongs to SR's. The recoil for the AR's is completely over exaggerated.

The AR was doing what it was supposed to do.

The assault rifle became the standard military rifle in the post-World War II era. The Soviet Union led the way with the AK-47, and other nations followed later. Combat experience during the World Wars had shown that most infantry combat took place at 200GÇô300 meters (218GÇô328 yards) distance and that the winner of any given firefight would most likely be the one with the highest rate of fire. The rifle cartridges of the day were therefore unnecessarily powerful, producing recoil and report in exchange for marginal benefit. The lower power of the intermediate cartridge meant that each soldier could fire more bullets faster and/or with less recoil and its lighter weight allowed more ammunition to be carried.

Have you ever fired a Gallente AR? Or any weapon using Blaster technology, for that matter?

Arguing that the rules of sci-fi have to match the real world equivalent even remotely - let alone accurately - is kind of missing the point.

Have you ever fired a Gallente AR? Or any weapon using Blaster technology, for that matter?

Arguing that the rules of sci-fi have to match the real world equivalent even remotely - let alone accurately - is kind of missing the point.

It was doing what it WOULD be supposed to do IN THE REAL WORLD, where gameplay and balance aren't key concerns for weapon manufacturers to take into account.

Having a weapon that's barely a half-step short of ideal for 99% of encounters is good for reality, but bad for game balance.

To answer your question NO. But I'm not a super soldier super clone who can transmit thought either.

Also by that statement of yours then shouldn't all weapons in this game because they come from a scifi element have massive amounts of recoil because they are stronger than the weapons we use today? Not just the one weapon type but all...

Not necessarily, no.

All weapons are based on technology we don't currently possess much of an equivalent for though, so their handling is almost guaranteed to be at least somewhat different to the real-world weapon that most closely matches their performance.

Weren't you one of the original guys saying screw balance adapt or die?! I find it funny how the tables turn when it's something you like lol. Like I said if that's the case then all weapons should have ridiculous amounts of recoil because of how strong they are. Oh wait we are in the future and have mastered FTL travel but can't make stable weapon platforms for our troops to fire LOL LOL!

When did I ever say "screw balance"? Find it and link it, and make sure it isn't painfully obvious sarcasm.

If I did, then I'm sorry, and I was wrong.

But yeah, I've said "adapt or die" quite a few times. And this will probably develop into another of those times. Game has changed. In my opinion, it's a change for the better. I sucked with ARs before they got nerfed/changed. I still suck with them. When other players were good with them and a lot of non-AR-users (and some AR users) called them OP, I found ways to kill their users anyway, or died trying. Don't like the new AR mechanics? Adapt or die. If they nerf something I like, or am good with, I'll either find a new way to make it work (adapt) or I'll move to a different weapon (adapt) and until I succeed at one of those two options.... (die)

I see no problem, and I see no contradiction.

How could you suck with the AR but say it needs a nerf or like the nerf it received. In any FPS a weapon that needs a nerf is a weapon that any and all players could use with little to no effort. Something like SMG's in the new COD but that wasn't the case in Dust with the AR's because there were still people who could not use them properly...

The AR was doing what it was supposed to do.

The assault rifle became the standard military rifle in the post-World War II era. The Soviet Union led the way with the AK-47, and other nations followed later. Combat experience during the World Wars had shown that most infantry combat took place at 200GÇô300 meters (218GÇô328 yards) distance and that the winner of any given firefight would most likely be the one with the highest rate of fire. The rifle cartridges of the day were therefore unnecessarily powerful, producing recoil and report in exchange for marginal benefit. The lower power of the intermediate cartridge meant that each soldier could fire more bullets faster and/or with less recoil and its lighter weight allowed more ammunition to be carried.

When recoil gets added to assault rifles n00bs wont stand a chance and we will dominate like never before.
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