Tell me what other FPS shooter doesn't have ARs for main weapons.

ok im sorry i put "main" and i actually meant other online FPS i apologize

Doom, Strife, Heretic, Hexen, Red Faction, that Star Trek: Voyager FPS I forget the name of...

There are quite a few games that don't have ARs as a "main" weapon. Some of which don't even have ARs (or any equivalent), and some of which have something that fits the functionality, but isn't a "main" weapon in any sense.

redfaction had an AR, infact it had several variants. freakin ALL THE RED FACTIONS HAD AR'S what the h3ll?

this dude is so fail hard. Fallout is not a competitive online shooter. I hope you enjoy your iron sights you asked for.

Precision rifle enjoy your fail

if you have ever played the game? It doesn't blow holes in walls, it doesn't have splash damage it is not a repeating rocket launcher. it just has bullets that hurt you real bad. In all seriousness It was that gun and the rail gun were the guns i used to clean up in redfaction. a game you never played because it doesn't have assault rifles

edit: you are also not very good at videogames so your opinion is null and void. please go back to star trek voyager.

The loss of a proper sight has completely altered gameplay with an assault rifle. I love how the noobs call things balanced, because the AR's no longer have a proper sight. I guarantee if CCP was to give AR's the camera back noobs would start bitching about the AR again.

"optional scopes" and "weapon customization" don't work for games that already have so many variables that alter weapon performance.

CCP should keep things simple and offer the camera sights we already have along with ironsights.

This game already offers enough customization we don't need more. Rather than adding customization CCP should focus on increasing the player count.

They only got nerfed in 1 way- recoil. 1 "nerf" was only because people whined they wanted ironsights, no matter how much they suck or how little sense it makes to have them. Not sure what that 3rd nerf you made up is.

and if YOU haven't noticed; we have been saying it was an AR nerf b/c the topic at hand was AR's; but we do know the nerf was across board as i've been saying in LOTS of topics now. The new damage scheme no longer makes proto weapons as effective and as worthwhile as they were before; as the same abillities can be achieved by basic/adv gear

Lol umad?

Lol, do you even play this game?

You have 18 likes and live in an NPC corp...

Right now, in game, there an imbalance issue as there is no good counter to laser range besides the burst AR.

So either vehicles or ...not in the hands of 90% of the players?

Do you want 40% of the players using MD or Sniper rifles? Would that be a fun game?

The Tac is a poor choice against laser right now.

Cover is just situational.

All of the people who are "happy" with the AR nerf never fired a weapon before. The reason why AR's are supposed to be stable platforms is because they excel in all ranges except extremely long distance that belongs to SR's. The recoil for the AR's is completely over exaggerated.

The AR was doing what it was supposed to do.

The assault rifle became the standard military rifle in the post-World War II era. The Soviet Union led the way with the AK-47, and other nations followed later. Combat experience during the World Wars had shown that most infantry combat took place at 200GÇô300 meters (218GÇô328 yards) distance and that the winner of any given firefight would most likely be the one with the highest rate of fire. The rifle cartridges of the day were therefore unnecessarily powerful, producing recoil and report in exchange for marginal benefit. The lower power of the intermediate cartridge meant that each soldier could fire more bullets faster and/or with less recoil and its lighter weight allowed more ammunition to be carried.

To answer your question NO. But I'm not a super soldier super clone who can transmit thought either.

Also by that statement of yours then shouldn't all weapons in this game because they come from a scifi element have massive amounts of recoil because they are stronger than the weapons we use today? Not just the one weapon type but all...

Weren't you one of the original guys saying screw balance adapt or die?! I find it funny how the tables turn when it's something you like lol. Like I said if that's the case then all weapons should have ridiculous amounts of recoil because of how strong they are. Oh wait we are in the future and have mastered FTL travel but can't make stable weapon platforms for our troops to fire LOL LOL!

How could you suck with the AR but say it needs a nerf or like the nerf it received. In any FPS a weapon that needs a nerf is a weapon that any and all players could use with little to no effort. Something like SMG's in the new COD but that wasn't the case in Dust with the AR's because there were still people who could not use them properly...

Actually, the Exile AR is identical to the basic AR.

Meta level is the same, damage is the same, ROF is the same, ect.

So as you can see by the numbers I just now copied off the game a Prototype AR which costs 55k - 77k isk is only doing 3.1 more damage than a FREE AR that you can buy or was given to you by CCP.

Obviously you have not been reading. The proto weapon nerf is not called an AR only nerf in any of the posts I have read. Your obviously reading your bias into the post when you do not agree with them. I dont agree with the proto/adv weapon nerfs period for any weapon as now the massive cost just does not really fly. Why buy a duvolle that only does a measly amount of additional damage and (although supposed to be more accurate and have longer range in ADS) cannot effectively be used in ADS due to the iron sights.

I wrote this up in one of the first pages using G slicks hit proportions due to movement and kick. The math is on. It also compares MD to AR because that was one of his complaints in the beginning.

The numbers are.
Standard AR with hit chance of 5 to 6 rounds out of 10 - 170 per second
Duvolle AR with increased hit chance due to skills 7 out of 10 round - 224 per second

Standard MD direct hit - 225 - splash - 115 per second
Freedom MD direct hit - 270 - splash - 138 per second

That is a difference of 54 damage a second at the duvolle level, this again is without any damage buffs straight from the numbers given by weapon description.

Most people do. They never take in consideration the dps only the number per bullet.

The actual numbers from the splash of a MD is off I think some times I do more some times I do less. I can't really give you that yet only the numbers from the weapon stats. I will say how ever that your chance of damaging someone with splash from a MD does increase do to the splash increase by weapon and the 25% radius from operation LV5.

Yeah but people wont hold still so I can get some numbers lol.

Yea your MD numbers are definitely off. Yesterday several times I had splash dmg from a single MD round (note i stated splash so not a direct hit) do ~275-300 dmg and this was to shields not armor.....I dont even want to know what they would do to armor.