I wonder what stats a Diplomat suit would have :)

But I do agree, it would be a fitting tribute.

So.. I guess what you are saying is -- we can have his stuff? Ha!

Too soon? Maybe. Anyway dispensing with the theatrics I could get behind this. CCP creating a special AUR oriented dropsuit in honor of the man known more commonly by gamers as, Vile Rat.

Make it an AUR, donating the money to some charity. Or his family.

Sorry the guy was killed but how about all the european soldiers who have lost there life in the conflict.

America is not out there alone you know.

So do it for all the fallen soldiers or don't do it at all.

Peace

Sorry the guy was killed but how about all the european soldiers who have lost there life in the conflict.

America is not out there alone you know.

So do it for all the fallen soldiers or don't do it at all.

Peace

I did some cleanup. Please respect the others, no matter who they are. If you are not interested in this matter, do not post here. If you don't know who Sean Smith (Vile Rat) was, please read the first postt.
Don't mess around with something like that.
Thank you.

With this in mind, I propose that an armour set be created in his honour, with the AUR generated going to a charity of his Family's choosing.

Ah, a fallout fan i see! VR would approve i'm sure!

I support this. I can see how some people think this should be done for everyone or no one, I know he's not the first Eve player to be lost on that side of the world, but I think he did have more of an impact (on the game) than most. Those that have been over there also know that not everyone who deserves to be recognized get the credit they deserve, but the effort is made to remember those that make an extraordinary impact.

I didn't know VR, only by reputation, but from the outpouring of posts, the threadnaughts springing up, even the "real world" news picking up on him being a gamer, I'd say he made an unusual impact that should be recognized in some way. I think the legal/moral roadblocks CCP is likely to encounter make having an AUR fundraiser unlikely, I think they'd be better off and we'd be more likely to get this pushed through if it were a simple item, something everyone can use I think would be fitting. If you do want to donate, it looks like there is a fundraiser going up already.

It seems that the DUST community is a sight better than the EVE community...this would have turned into a flame war by now as have most of the other threads on the EVE forums for similar ideas have today.

I think this is a great idea! AUR profits going to help a charity makes it even better!

@Rorek. I don't think either idea is a bad one. CCP could easily and quickly implement a statue in his honor, one that perhaps also honors all the pod pilots and soon to be drop soldiers that have passed on. It would be easier to implement than drop suits. But the drop suits are a really good idea.

EDIT:Removing my opinion because in hindsight, as someone else said earlier, i think it's best to leave the decision to CCP. Maybe just post here if you support "something" being done, not necessarily throwing your idea in the ring. I'm sure if CCP chooses to do something it will be appropriate.

Personally I feel they should include five different suits. One for every type. I would love to have one for the upcoming command/crusader dropsuit, and pilot operator dropsuit.

Well whatever does come of it CCP should make sure he's not forgotten. New Eden is a breathing galaxy -- Elbeit digitally breathing -- the man did a lot even though he had strong ties to GoonSwarm, the man should be remembered for his large role. I just feel someone like that should be immortalized in a strong way that represents the humor, but also continues in what diplomats do best continuing their machinations and intergal plans and what GoonSwarm does best. Sending waves of people relentlessly to win at all costs. Atleast that is a gross example, but pretty accurate nonetheless from what I have read about the GS. As long as the community is backing it and the proceeds go to a good cause, education (he was a diplomat) or his family, or some other cause we're good I suppose. I was not trying be a jerk, but really the man did a lot and every article has made that clear.

At least from the EVE community the point being voiced a lot is that while he did do a lot of good for EVE, others that have passed should be remembered to. I agree with you whole heartedly and don't think you were being a jerk at all. I was just pointing out that while one idea may be better than the others...it does not mean both or all cannot be done for an collaborated better benefit.

Honestly I have been trying all day to keep his ties to GSF out of any comments I have made. I hate GSF with a passion...but only the characters and roles played in the game...not the people behind them. A game is after all...a game. Vile Rat may have been GSF for life but he did a lot for EVE.

I think anyone even people just getting to understand EVE do not like GoonSwarm. I know I particularly do not. Ha-ha. Well atleast I was not being a "jerk" then. I understand though the problem with doing something like this -- and then people wanting to remember every person. That happens in real life too, and unfortunetly not everyone can be immortalized by some game item, or statue in real life. However, even if CCP does decide to not do anything the man will not be easily forgotten. That is certain to say the least either way in terms of both real life, and deep in the New Eden galaxy. The man [Sean Smith] has made a name for himself in both respects. That is a truth. Item or no item.

I'm sorry but I do not like the idea of a Dropsuit being made in his name. I don't want to see players running around being shot at by me as they are wearing something that is a tribute to Sean Smith. I find that to be insulting.

The most appropriate thing to do as an alternative is to place a visible monument as a tribute to him. Preferably located in the Red Zone so that mercs won't use it as a tactical object but still close enough to be visible for anyone wanting to just salute as they pass by.

I honestly don't understand the GSF hate, Message me in game because i'd love to show you guys the other side of the fence and that GSF is honestly the best alliance out there.

Vile Rat's wife is understandably upset by the situation but she's also very grateful of the support she's getting from our little gaming community in New Eden.

I honestly don't understand the GSF hate, Message me in game because i'd love to show you guys the other side of the fence and that GSF is honestly the best alliance out there.

Vile Rat's wife is understandably upset by the situation but she's also very grateful of the support she's getting from our little gaming community in New Eden.

It seems that the DUST community is a sight better than the EVE community...this would have turned into a flame war by now as have most of the other threads on the EVE forums for similar ideas have today.

I think this is a great idea! AUR profits going to help a charity makes it even better!

@Rorek. I don't think either idea is a bad one. CCP could easily and quickly implement a statue in his honor, one that perhaps also honors all the pod pilots and soon to be drop soldiers that have passed on. It would be easier to implement than drop suits. But the drop suits are a really good idea.

Although I did not know Vile Rat personally I think it is a great idea to immortalize any fallen Eve Player, especially one so active and a part of our small community. My suggestion would be to permanently make our fallen comrades NPCs within the game itself. Let their name live on in the game and forever be a part of the game we all love.

Yeah, what he said.

No. This is an international game, and grunts die all the time. This is most likely another goonie ploy to get a part of their group embedded into the game.

Just because you may be sad from the loss of someone you know does not mean that everyone else needs to see, or care about your loss in any way. There are MANY more relevant achievements that could warrant an in-game item, like the first person to exploit their way to 1 million kills (hahaha see what I did there?).

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Not trolling. I had a much longer original post, but the dust forums decided to troll me and erased it before posting lol.

What it comes down to is there are losses all around the world either military or not. Even if this game was US only (which it's not) then you would still have a hard case trying to idolize this death in particular. It all comes down to relevance and perceived importance, and after a week no one will really remember this goonie who died save for the ones who knew him, or saw this article. The reason we have monuments is because it was a game related epic achievement, not because someone died (out of millions) and enough people moaned and pleaded to have him idolized in their favorite game.

/hard truth: get over it

As an Eve Online pilot I often express some disdain for Goon Swarm.

After reading who Vile Rat was, and how he died.. Can't bring myself to words - despite that passionate hatred toward his affiliation..

What the **** can we honestly do? So used to throwing out an order to strike back when something happens but - how do you do that in real life..?

You are missing a harder truth, some people have a bigger impact (and hence relative importance) than others. Yes the impact was in a virtual world for this individual, but it was also a reportedly a huge impact within that context. So it makes sense that many believe that he should be idolized within the world he was such a big part of.

INB4 obvious political fiasco this comment invites.

Seriously, dude..?

It sorely tempted me, so I went with humor instead.

Not trolling. I had a much longer original post, but the dust forums decided to troll me and erased it before posting lol.

What it comes down to is there are losses all around the world either military or not. Even if this game was US only (which it's not) then you would still have a hard case trying to idolize this death in particular. It all comes down to relevance and perceived importance, and after a week no one will really remember this goonie who died save for the ones who knew him, or saw this article. The reason we have monuments is because it was a game related epic achievement, not because someone died (out of millions) and enough people moaned and pleaded to have him idolized in their favorite game.

/hard truth: get over it

Some tribute would be good. He was on EvE's csm, not that many people have been on that. He altered the course of EvE's politics, and was a DUST514 tester. I think that is enough to earn a tribute.

I agree on a certain form of tribute. Concerning him being Spy and Diplomat in EVE and an IT Guy in Real Life it seems the appropriate suit would be a low sig suit with hacking bonus.
On the other hand whatever will come of this in the end it only seems as if the EVE and DUST community has lost Vile Rat. His idea of creating and supplying diplomatic channels in a PVP Sandbox at such a scale will be remembered.

What was his Dust character?

so who was Vile Rat exactly? you mean that ambassador that was killed or something? I'm a lot lost here....

Vile Rat was one of the staffers killed in the attack. He was also one of the premier diplomats within the EVE online game.

Dear All,

After reading this thread, I feel that we Dust Bunnies should have some sort of tribute for an integral Member of the New Eden Community.

I never new him (in truth I never even knew his name until today), but I get the distinct impression that part of New Edens success is down to his work for the Comunity. Which in turn, led to CCP creating this game that we all love & play.

With this in mind, I propose that an armour set be created in his honour, with the AUR generated going to a charity of his Family's choosing.

If you Guys (and Girls) agree, then simply reply. Please do NOT like my post. Let's show CCP that we want this to happen with the number of pages this thread gets.

Well it should be a balanced BPO in the end. Standard or militia tech level. I vote standard tech level entry. I think it should have more slots though, but in different areas for different variants across the board. Take the scout for instance -- I'd remove the [L] module, but add another tier one module or tier two module instead. Leaving the scout with only the [S] sidearm module for combat. Maybe even remove the grenade module for yet another support module, or even another tier one or two support module. Remember he's a diplomat. So it makes sense for removing the [L] light module which supports primary weapons essentially. Besides most diplomats are trained in using basic sidearm techniques. Anyway this is just an example of what I would do. However I'd leave the PG (Power Grid) and CPU (Central Processing Unit) output the same as standard tech. This way it makes you choose wisely on what modules to use, but also keeps "balance" without becoming -- Pay to Win -- in terms of AUR gear.

Dear All,

After reading this thread, I feel that we Dust Bunnies should have some sort of tribute for an integral Member of the New Eden Community.

I never new him (in truth I never even knew his name until today), but I get the distinct impression that part of New Edens success is down to his work for the Comunity. Which in turn, led to CCP creating this game that we all love & play.

With this in mind, I propose that an armour set be created in his honour, with the AUR generated going to a charity of his Family's choosing.

If you Guys (and Girls) agree, then simply reply. Please do NOT like my post. Let's show CCP that we want this to happen with the number of pages this thread gets.

so how exactly did he help the game?

Dozens of eve players have died before, the game has been around for a while... it's not really fair to just randomly decide to honor one of them.

Considering the work he did both IN and out of EVE, yes it is.

Go **** up another thread if you want to be a ****.

Calm down, I know what it feels like to lose someone close to you but he has a point, there's no logical reason to honor one without honoring all. That would make you feel better but for all other friends of deceased Eve players it would become an outrage of a jita-burning proportion. At that point no one would truly be happy and honestly tell me you're so self centered that you'll ignore others to make yourself feel better.

But still, we should honor all dead or none at all

Why?

Does grandma jones get a piece in the newspaper and a statue in her honour when she dies? No... But i bet you when your presidents pop their clogs that you make the effort for them.

How many of those other players did as much for EVE as VR did though? He helped forge the game into what it is today. I very, very much doubt even 1% of those other players have any impact on EVE in any significant way, let alone the level of impact VR had, he was also on the CSM and got to know the DEV's etc personally, no matter how you look at it, nobody did as much for the game as he did and died in the way he did or did as much for your country as he did.

That's the why something should be done, his EVE work, his real live work and the impact he had on New Eden.