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dent 308
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.09.12 19:44:00 -
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SYST3M 0V3RL0AD wrote:EDIT:Removing my opinion because in hindsight, as someone else said earlier, i think it's best to leave the decision to CCP. Maybe just post here if you support "something" being done, not necessarily throwing your idea in the ring. I'm sure if CCP chooses to do something it will be appropriate.
+1 for this. I am sure the guys in CCP are discussing something. Don't forget that many of the devs met him while he was doing CSM / fanfest stuff. If they do decide to make a move, it will be well thought out. |
pritcht37
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.12 19:48:00 -
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R.I.P VR, and all those that have lost their lives in this idiotic tragedy.
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pritcht37
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.09.12 19:50:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:
Personally I feel they should include five different suits. One for every type. I would love to have one for the upcoming command/crusader dropsuit, and pilot operator dropsuit.
Yeah, what he said. |
tastzlike chicken
ROGUE SPADES
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Posted - 2012.09.12 19:53:00 -
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....so agitated by the context of this loss of life -however, I will bite my tongue.
Never knew him, but:
+1 to this.
Thanks for the links and cheers to the New Eden folks -sociopaths and all! You are a different breed of gamer. |
Vertisce
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.09.12 20:10:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:Vertisce wrote:It seems that the DUST community is a sight better than the EVE community...this would have turned into a flame war by now as have most of the other threads on the EVE forums for similar ideas have today.
I think this is a great idea! AUR profits going to help a charity makes it even better!
@Rorek. I don't think either idea is a bad one. CCP could easily and quickly implement a statue in his honor, one that perhaps also honors all the pod pilots and soon to be drop soldiers that have passed on. It would be easier to implement than drop suits. But the drop suits are a really good idea. Well whatever does come of it CCP should make sure he's not forgotten. New Eden is a breathing galaxy -- Elbeit digitally breathing -- the man did a lot even though he had strong ties to GoonSwarm, the man should be remembered for his large role. I just feel someone like that should be immortalized in a strong way that represents the humor, but also continues in what diplomats do best continuing their machinations and intergal plans and what GoonSwarm does best. Sending waves of people relentlessly to win at all costs. Atleast that is a gross example, but pretty accurate nonetheless from what I have read about the GS. As long as the community is backing it and the proceeds go to a good cause, education (he was a diplomat) or his family, or some other cause we're good I suppose. I was not trying be a jerk, but really the man did a lot and every article has made that clear. At least from the EVE community the point being voiced a lot is that while he did do a lot of good for EVE, others that have passed should be remembered too. I agree with you whole heartedly and don't think you were being a jerk at all. I was just pointing out that while one idea may be better than the others...it does not mean both or all cannot be done for a collaborated better benefit.
Honestly I have been trying all day to keep his ties to GSF out of any comments I have made. I hate GSF with a passion...but only the characters and roles played in the game...not the people behind them. A game is after all...a game. Vile Rat may have been GSF for life but he did a lot for EVE.
After reading some of the other posts above on this page I do agree that whatever CCP does will be appropriate. Although I think throwing in idea's isn't a bad thing...who knows? Maybe they didn't think of that! Either way...there will likely be a memorial and a moment of silence at next years FanFest as well.
Believe it or not...even though I did not know him personally...this has struck me today in a way I did not expect. The sorrow and anger I feel right now over this loss of a good man in such an insane way over such an ubsurd reason...words cannot describe.
I wish the best to his family and friends. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.09.12 20:13:00 -
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+ 1 2 the Vile suit |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.09.12 20:20:00 -
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Vertisce wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:Vertisce wrote:It seems that the DUST community is a sight better than the EVE community...this would have turned into a flame war by now as have most of the other threads on the EVE forums for similar ideas have today.
I think this is a great idea! AUR profits going to help a charity makes it even better!
@Rorek. I don't think either idea is a bad one. CCP could easily and quickly implement a statue in his honor, one that perhaps also honors all the pod pilots and soon to be drop soldiers that have passed on. It would be easier to implement than drop suits. But the drop suits are a really good idea. Well whatever does come of it CCP should make sure he's not forgotten. New Eden is a breathing galaxy -- Elbeit digitally breathing -- the man did a lot even though he had strong ties to GoonSwarm, the man should be remembered for his large role. I just feel someone like that should be immortalized in a strong way that represents the humor, but also continues in what diplomats do best continuing their machinations and intergal plans and what GoonSwarm does best. Sending waves of people relentlessly to win at all costs. Atleast that is a gross example, but pretty accurate nonetheless from what I have read about the GS. As long as the community is backing it and the proceeds go to a good cause, education (he was a diplomat) or his family, or some other cause we're good I suppose. I was not trying be a jerk, but really the man did a lot and every article has made that clear. At least from the EVE community the point being voiced a lot is that while he did do a lot of good for EVE, others that have passed should be remembered to. I agree with you whole heartedly and don't think you were being a jerk at all. I was just pointing out that while one idea may be better than the others...it does not mean both or all cannot be done for an collaborated better benefit. Honestly I have been trying all day to keep his ties to GSF out of any comments I have made. I hate GSF with a passion...but only the characters and roles played in the game...not the people behind them. A game is after all...a game. Vile Rat may have been GSF for life but he did a lot for EVE.
I think anyone even people just getting to understand EVE do not like GoonSwarm. I know I particularly do not. Ha-ha. Well atleast I was not being a "jerk" then. I understand though the problem with doing something like this -- and then people wanting to remember every person. That happens in real life too, and unfortunetly not everyone can be immortalized by some game item, or statue in real life. However, even if CCP does decide to not do anything the man will not be easily forgotten. That is certain to say the least either way in terms of both real life, and deep in the New Eden galaxy. The man [Sean Smith] has made a name for himself in both respects. That is a truth. Item or no item. |
Vertisce
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.09.12 20:24:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:Vertisce wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:Vertisce wrote:It seems that the DUST community is a sight better than the EVE community...this would have turned into a flame war by now as have most of the other threads on the EVE forums for similar ideas have today.
I think this is a great idea! AUR profits going to help a charity makes it even better!
@Rorek. I don't think either idea is a bad one. CCP could easily and quickly implement a statue in his honor, one that perhaps also honors all the pod pilots and soon to be drop soldiers that have passed on. It would be easier to implement than drop suits. But the drop suits are a really good idea. Well whatever does come of it CCP should make sure he's not forgotten. New Eden is a breathing galaxy -- Elbeit digitally breathing -- the man did a lot even though he had strong ties to GoonSwarm, the man should be remembered for his large role. I just feel someone like that should be immortalized in a strong way that represents the humor, but also continues in what diplomats do best continuing their machinations and intergal plans and what GoonSwarm does best. Sending waves of people relentlessly to win at all costs. Atleast that is a gross example, but pretty accurate nonetheless from what I have read about the GS. As long as the community is backing it and the proceeds go to a good cause, education (he was a diplomat) or his family, or some other cause we're good I suppose. I was not trying be a jerk, but really the man did a lot and every article has made that clear. At least from the EVE community the point being voiced a lot is that while he did do a lot of good for EVE, others that have passed should be remembered to. I agree with you whole heartedly and don't think you were being a jerk at all. I was just pointing out that while one idea may be better than the others...it does not mean both or all cannot be done for an collaborated better benefit. Honestly I have been trying all day to keep his ties to GSF out of any comments I have made. I hate GSF with a passion...but only the characters and roles played in the game...not the people behind them. A game is after all...a game. Vile Rat may have been GSF for life but he did a lot for EVE. I think anyone even people just getting to understand EVE do not like GoonSwarm. I know I particularly do not. Ha-ha. Well atleast I was not being a "jerk" then. I understand though the problem with doing something like this -- and then people wanting to remember every person. That happens in real life too, and unfortunetly not everyone can be immortalized by some game item, or statue in real life. However, even if CCP does decide to not do anything the man will not be easily forgotten. That is certain to say the least either way in terms of both real life, and deep in the New Eden galaxy. The man [Sean Smith] has made a name for himself in both respects. That is a truth. Item or no item. Agreed. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.09.12 20:25:00 -
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I honestly don't understand the GSF hate, Message me in game because i'd love to show you guys the other side of the fence and that GSF is honestly the best alliance out there.
Vile Rat's wife is understandably upset by the situation but she's also very grateful of the support she's getting from our little gaming community in New Eden. |
Xantanis
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2012.09.12 20:25:00 -
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I agree with a tribute to him. I haven't played EVE in a while, but I knew the name. R.I.P. friend, you were doing nothing but your job when you got killed for no good reason. |
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LivewireProblem
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.09.12 20:26:00 -
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+1 im in |
Nate Silverley
Rebelles A Quebec
139
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Posted - 2012.09.12 20:32:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:I'm sorry but I do not like the idea of a Dropsuit being made in his name. I don't want to see players running around being shot at by me as they are wearing something that is a tribute to Sean Smith. I find that to be insulting.
The most appropriate thing to do as an alternative is to place a visible monument as a tribute to him. Preferably located in the Red Zone so that mercs won't use it as a tactical object but still close enough to be visible for anyone wanting to just salute as they pass by.
I second that fact. Especially since he was shot, I find Mercs getting shot at while wearing his suit somewhat distasteful.
I do believe a memorandum is of essence, but more in the form of a commemorative statue or something that's not involved in the fighting yet can't be missed.
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Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.09.12 20:32:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:I honestly don't understand the GSF hate, Message me in game because i'd love to show you guys the other side of the fence and that GSF is honestly the best alliance out there.
Vile Rat's wife is understandably upset by the situation but she's also very grateful of the support she's getting from our little gaming community in New Eden.
Not really sure.. I'm still tearing into EVE's mythology. Personally from bits I do know? It's the practices more then anything that bother me. Are you necessary? Possibly. Too me it just feels like you are the Wal-Mart of New Eden? Maybe. Still it's the practices and tactics and certain individuals giving the alliance a bad name. In the end the alliance may just as I said be a necessary balance. You have to admit GoonSwarm keeps every on edge and on their toes. For one reason or another. Maybe the alliance is just doing something right? It's all subjective. Like real life.
Or well.. He who wins writes the history books. |
Vertisce
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.09.12 20:58:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:I honestly don't understand the GSF hate, Message me in game because i'd love to show you guys the other side of the fence and that GSF is honestly the best alliance out there.
Vile Rat's wife is understandably upset by the situation but she's also very grateful of the support she's getting from our little gaming community in New Eden.
GSF hate mostly stems from the fact that GSF is all about ruining things. They do it in a very obnoxious way to boot. Without going into details I would say that GSF not only earned the rep they have but they are proud of it. Personally I try to keep my distaste of GSF separate from that of the person behind the character. A person can be the biggest **** in the world in a game but be one of the best human beings on the planet. They are not always one and the same. Its a persona
I am glad to hear that GSF is helping his family as a community. I would expect nothing less of them. If GSF sets up an account for others to donate to help his family that is secured and I can be guaranteed that it goes to his family and not anybody else then I will gladly donate.
In fact I am sure there is something out there already whether it be through EVE or a government source. Anybody know of something they mind sharing a link to? |
Chao Wolf
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
209
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Posted - 2012.09.12 20:58:00 -
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+1 for an aur item of tribute for Vile Rat |
savagesavage
1
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Posted - 2012.09.12 21:01:00 -
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I agree with this idea. This is just one of the many ways that Dust and Eve differentiate themselves from every other old game. As gamers, through our main medium (the console), we can a positive impact. Good idea Zerlathon.
I also never knew the guy, but any gamer is friend of mine. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2012.09.12 21:02:00 -
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Vertisce wrote:It seems that the DUST community is a sight better than the EVE community...this would have turned into a flame war by now as have most of the other threads on the EVE forums for similar ideas have today.
I think this is a great idea! AUR profits going to help a charity makes it even better!
@Rorek. I don't think either idea is a bad one. CCP could easily and quickly implement a statue in his honor, one that perhaps also honors all the pod pilots and soon to be drop soldiers that have passed on. It would be easier to implement than drop suits. But the drop suits are a really good idea.
Not to be off topic but it has already done so once, and rather early on page 2, it has since then been removed.
I think a statue and plaza tile building would be more appropriate. |
War Wulf13
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.09.12 21:03:00 -
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+1
RIP VR And to EVERYONE who has died because of this nonsense |
Deadly Mitauchi
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
140
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Posted - 2012.09.12 21:05:00 -
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Although I did not know Vile Rat personally I think it is a great idea to immortalize any fallen Eve Player, especially one so active and a part of our small community. My suggestion would be to permanently make our fallen comrades NPCs within the game itself. Let their name live on in the game and forever be a part of the game we all love.
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Vertisce
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.09.12 21:10:00 -
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Deadly Mitauchi wrote:Although I did not know Vile Rat personally I think it is a great idea to immortalize any fallen Eve Player, especially one so active and a part of our small community. My suggestion would be to permanently make our fallen comrades NPCs within the game itself. Let their name live on in the game and forever be a part of the game we all love.
Another good idea. |
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Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.09.12 21:13:00 -
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Or make "The Vile Rats" an NPC Minmitar corp or something? |
Rayan Storm
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
358
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Posted - 2012.09.12 21:50:00 -
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He died violently. I think he should be remembered peacefully, no? I do like the statue idea.
But otherwise, great idea. |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
673
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Posted - 2012.09.12 21:57:00 -
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pritcht37 wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:
Personally I feel they should include five different suits. One for every type. I would love to have one for the upcoming command/crusader dropsuit, and pilot operator dropsuit.
Yeah, what he said.
I'd say make each memorial suit available for aurum and donate the proceeds to his family, but make the price something like 150 aur BPO not bpc, that way it will be a permanent asset. |
DEMOLISHaNATOR
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.13 01:40:00 -
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i second that motion
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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.09.13 04:41:00 -
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@Nate
Actually CNN reported that Sean Smith died of smoke inhalation while trapped in a safe room in the consulate. But still, he did die in a near violent manner since rocket-propelled grenades and guns were used.
@Rorek
I am still firm in my stance that Sean 'Vile Rat' Smith should be remembered as a diplomat of both the real-world and that of New Eden. Even though New Eden is all about PvP, diplomacy was Smith's strong suit.
Also, technical interaction is not always a requirement. In the real world, there are plenty of memorials that don't have any interaction at all yet they are still effective in their meaning and significance. If you ever played Eve Online for any length of time and stopped by Jita 4 - Moon IV Caldari Navy Assembly Plant, you would notice by now that there is a monument (a wrecked one) that talks about an uprising or riot against the status quo (Google Jita Riots 2010). It is not very interactive at all other than just shooting at it and it never goes 'pop' but the folks in New Eden accept that because it's the message that matters, not the technical interaction the memorial brings.
@Everyone else
I have another thought. What about a holographic image of Vile Rat's avatar as a greeter for whenever I enter a corporate office? This seems more fitting considering his mastering of the corporate room. This seems One that can be bought with AURUM. I do agree with others that the proceeds gained from purchase should go either Sean's family or to a charity of his family's choosing. |
sys Ghost
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.09.13 04:47:00 -
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No. This is an international game, and grunts die all the time. This is most likely another goonie ploy to get a part of their group embedded into the game.
Just because you may be sad from the loss of someone you know does not mean that everyone else needs to see, or care about your loss in any way. There are MANY more relevant achievements that could warrant an in-game item, like the first person to exploit their way to 1 million kills (hahaha see what I did there?). |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.09.13 04:49:00 -
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sys Ghost wrote:No. This is an international game, and grunts die all the time. This is most likely another goonie ploy to get a part of their group embedded into the game.
Just because you may be sad from the loss of someone you know does not mean that everyone else needs to see, or care about your loss in any way. There are MANY more relevant achievements that could warrant an in-game item, like the first person to exploit their way to 1 million kills (hahaha see what I did there?).
PhillipFryNotSureIfTrollingOrSerious.jpg |
sys Ghost
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.09.13 04:55:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:sys Ghost wrote:No. This is an international game, and grunts die all the time. This is most likely another goonie ploy to get a part of their group embedded into the game.
Just because you may be sad from the loss of someone you know does not mean that everyone else needs to see, or care about your loss in any way. There are MANY more relevant achievements that could warrant an in-game item, like the first person to exploit their way to 1 million kills (hahaha see what I did there?). PhillipFryNotSureIfTrollingOrSerious.jpg
Not trolling. I had a much longer original post, but the dust forums decided to troll me and erased it before posting lol.
What it comes down to is there are losses all around the world either military or not. Even if this game was US only (which it's not) then you would still have a hard case trying to idolize this death in particular. It all comes down to relevance and perceived importance, and after a week no one will really remember this goonie who died save for the ones who knew him, or saw this article. The reason we have monuments is because it was a game related epic achievement, not because someone died (out of millions) and enough people moaned and pleaded to have him idolized in their favorite game.
/hard truth: get over it |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.09.13 05:03:00 -
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sys Ghost wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:sys Ghost wrote:No. This is an international game, and grunts die all the time. This is most likely another goonie ploy to get a part of their group embedded into the game.
Just because you may be sad from the loss of someone you know does not mean that everyone else needs to see, or care about your loss in any way. There are MANY more relevant achievements that could warrant an in-game item, like the first person to exploit their way to 1 million kills (hahaha see what I did there?). PhillipFryNotSureIfTrollingOrSerious.jpg Not trolling. I had a much longer original post, but the dust forums decided to troll me and erased it before posting lol. What it comes down to is there are losses all around the world either military or not. Even if this game was US only (which it's not) then you would still have a hard case trying to idolize this death in particular. It all comes down to relevance and perceived importance, and after a week no one will really remember this goonie who died save for the ones who knew him, or saw this article. The reason we have monuments is because it was a game related epic achievement, not because someone died (out of millions) and enough people moaned and pleaded to have him idolized in their favorite game. /hard truth: get over it
You are missing a harder truth, some people have a bigger impact (and hence relative importance) than others. Yes the impact was in a virtual world for this individual, but it was also a reportedly a huge impact within that context. So it makes sense that many believe that he should be idolized within the world he was such a big part of. |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
1003
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Posted - 2012.09.13 05:04:00 -
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As an Eve Online pilot I often express some disdain for Goon Swarm.
After reading who Vile Rat was, and how he died.. Can't bring myself to words - despite that passionate hatred toward his affiliation..
What the **** can we honestly do? So used to throwing out an order to strike back when something happens but - how do you do that in real life..? |
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