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Abner Kalen
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:13:00 -
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tribal wyvern wrote:Umallon Macross wrote:Universal Voice Transmitters are biomechanical implants that provide personal access to subspace routers, allowing users to communicate instantly with one another wherever they may be. The implants degrade over time and cease to function when fully absorbed by the user.
1-day 3-day 7-day 30-day
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Aurum.
WTF am I looking at? Is voicechat pay2play? SERIOUSLY? Ok! Here's how it goes. Technically its a type of voice chat but if you read the description of the item it says what it does. I've just been in a few matches talking up a storm with my fellow dusters and I haven't bought those things. But what they enable you to do is basically talk to people who aren't even in the same game as you, they could be fighting on a totally different planet......and you can still talk. that's what they are 'Universal voice transmitters' and 'wherever they may be' are the key words
Isn't this feature already included as part of PS3 network? I usually play everything on my xbox and it's possible to open a party chat or a private chat with anyone you want, so I would assume this is the case with PS3 as well, right? Why would anyone in their right mind pay money for voice chat??? Seems like something integral to the game, and something that would promote the game (thus more spending) by bringing people together, increasing communication between players. |
Natu Nobilis
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:31:00 -
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Umallon Macross wrote:
Flame this: Restricting communications is bad for the game universe. Restricting the most convenient communication method of the medium is a death sentence. Do you think EVE would even exist if they charged real money for using text chat?
Your reading comprehension surpases mine in some way, for i can-¦t read that much into it.
I had something before, i still have it now. Somehting news shows up, something new is being charged for.
No loss for anything i-¦ve been experiencing since entering the beta.
Really can-¦t see your point. Would you care to elaborate in an objective way ? |
Umallon Macross
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
281
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:34:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:Umallon Macross wrote:
Flame this: Restricting communications is bad for the game universe. Restricting the most convenient communication method of the medium is a death sentence. Do you think EVE would even exist if they charged real money for using text chat?
Your reading comprehension surpases mine in some way, for i can-¦t read that much into it. I had something before, i still have it now. Somehting news shows up, something new is being charged for. No loss for anything i-¦ve been experiencing since entering the beta. Really can-¦t see your point. Would you care to elaborate in an objective way ?
You don't play EVE do you?
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Luxuro
3
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:37:00 -
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With this much complaining they will hopefully get rid of it or make it more reasonable. Another thing is based on the description it sounds like something for talking to people not in your game, like party chat on xbox. People will either leave in protest or find a way around it, even if they can afford it. |
howard sanchez
Conspiratus Immortalis
448
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:46:00 -
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Umallon Macross wrote:Thor Thunder Fist wrote:yes they are only for player made groups though not for squads. it was announced in the past that we would have to pay aurum for these but we were promised reasonable prices those seem a little....... Who in their right mind would pay for this?
I will.
What thefuck do you people want?! The moon delivered on a silver platter for your selfish gluttonous consumption?
You know that voice comms have sucked hard up to this point but we all managed to play the game. And win
And it sounds like this option is for additional comms bandwidth - not squad comms (not sure haven't seen it yet)
So- yah - if it is not play to win then it is fair game. I will take my hard earned personal income and use it to gain any additional fun and/or advantage I can gain
And for the record: I would still pay Aurum for detailed info and reports about other corporations' assets, capabilities, contracts, etc
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uruz7 fish
FDF Industries Hedonistic Imperative
108
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:47:00 -
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1) be able to send aur to another player 2) have a corp version that can be purchased on eve side or dust side
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gangsta nachos
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
377
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:48:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:Umallon Macross wrote:Thor Thunder Fist wrote:yes they are only for player made groups though not for squads. it was announced in the past that we would have to pay aurum for these but we were promised reasonable prices those seem a little....... Who in their right mind would pay for this? I will. What thefuck do you people want?! The moon delivered on a silver platter for your selfish gluttonous consumption? You know that voice comms have sucked hard up to this point but we all managed to play the game. And win And it sounds like this option is for additional comms bandwidth - not squad comms (not sure haven't seen it yet) So- yah - if it is not play to win then it is fair game. I will take my hard earned personal income and use it to gain any additional fun and/or advantage I can gain And for the record: I would still pay Aurum for detailed info and reports about other corporations' assets, capabilities, contracts, etc you're going to pay to talk on a game lol |
Umallon Macross
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
281
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:49:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:Umallon Macross wrote:Thor Thunder Fist wrote:yes they are only for player made groups though not for squads. it was announced in the past that we would have to pay aurum for these but we were promised reasonable prices those seem a little....... Who in their right mind would pay for this? I will. What thefuck do you people want?! The moon delivered on a silver platter for your selfish gluttonous consumption? You know that voice comms have sucked hard up to this point but we all managed to play the game. And win And it sounds like this option is for additional comms bandwidth - not squad comms (not sure haven't seen it yet) So- yah - if it is not play to win then it is fair game. I will take my hard earned personal income and use it to gain any additional fun and/or advantage I can gain And for the record: I would still pay Aurum for detailed info and reports about other corporations' assets, capabilities, contracts, etc
Good for you. Those of us that don't suck on anything stuck in our face will use free alternatives, and be a lot more careful which of CCP's crazy schemes we'll spend our money on.
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howard sanchez
Conspiratus Immortalis
448
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:49:00 -
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Forget what you think you know or have experienced with other games.
That is a box you're living in--get out of it. Try something new. The Aurum will be refunded and you don't have to use it for additional comms channels again.
I love that they are willing to try something new in the micro transaction market. Increased comms bandwidth: brilliant! |
Natu Nobilis
51
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:50:00 -
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Umallon Macross wrote: You don't play EVE do you?
Since 2007.
Well mate, if you-¦re not going to elaborate further, then there-¦s no point in talking. Not interested in a background check opening space for ad hominem.
Something news howed up, people are scared of changes, shitstorm is coming, the PR crew will sort this out (hahahhaha) and everyone will be mery in their ways.
And CCP, please stop feeding the trolls. You know this is the kind of thing that will be over simplified and cause embaracment for everyone, next step is the media coverage, than the questions "will Dust suceed after such a turmoil?" and then a zombie apocalypse shows up the world ends and the universe explodes, all because a little change.
*Sight* |
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Chao Wolf
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
209
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:52:00 -
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I think we need a dev to explain exactly what the UVT does and does not do.
If it allows you to talk to players only the other side of the galaxy and not in your alliance/corp/team/squad then ok, but if it is required to talk to any player your not currently in a battle with not ok. |
howard sanchez
Conspiratus Immortalis
448
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:52:00 -
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Umallon Macross wrote:howard sanchez wrote:Umallon Macross wrote:Thor Thunder Fist wrote:yes they are only for player made groups though not for squads. it was announced in the past that we would have to pay aurum for these but we were promised reasonable prices those seem a little....... Who in their right mind would pay for this? I will. What thefuck do you people want?! The moon delivered on a silver platter for your selfish gluttonous consumption? You know that voice comms have sucked hard up to this point but we all managed to play the game. And win And it sounds like this option is for additional comms bandwidth - not squad comms (not sure haven't seen it yet) So- yah - if it is not play to win then it is fair game. I will take my hard earned personal income and use it to gain any additional fun and/or advantage I can gain And for the record: I would still pay Aurum for detailed info and reports about other corporations' assets, capabilities, contracts, etc Good for you. Those of us that don't suck on anything stuck in our face will use free alternatives, and be a lot more careful which of CCP's crazy schemes we'll spend our money on.
Good for you: stay with what you know and love Mag,cod,bf whatever. I won't judge you for not trying something new. Don't you try to squelch every attempt at innovation that doesn't look just like what you are familiar with |
Abner Kalen
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:55:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:Forget what you think you know or have experienced with other games.
That is a box you're living in--get out of it. Try something new. The Aurum will be refunded and you don't have to use it for additional comms channels again.
I love that they are willing to try something new in the micro transaction market. Increased comms bandwidth: brilliant!
It seems a little incredulous that they'd expect people to pay for something that should already be included as a part of the game. People are concerned now in the beta because once this game goes live and the price hasn't been significantly reduced or even eliminated, people will not think well on a game that tries to charge people for comms, even if it is for "expanded" comms. It just gives off a bad vibe. |
howard sanchez
Conspiratus Immortalis
448
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:06:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:xprotoman23 wrote: CS:GO for $12 is looking better and better.
Yeah, and all this time they were talking about "true F2P". **** that. If I have to pay for voice chat, I'm uninstalling Dust.
Veigar, what is 'true free to play'? What does that mean to you?
does it mean that you can do everything, have everything in game without ever dropping a single Aurum?
Done
I will be going into the UVT business. I have a few extra dollars lying around since I don't pay 14.99 for this or that sub
I will purchase UVTs and resell the to you for isk. That way, I can afford to drive a tank or drop ship in the evenings after work And you can grind isk all day to buy my UVTs so you can sit in a private channel and ***** about p2w or hit detection or the newest e-peen enhancement drug
Win-win |
Umallon Macross
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
281
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:07:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:Umallon Macross wrote: You don't play EVE do you?
Since 2007. Well mate, if you-¦re not going to elaborate further, then there-¦s no point in talking. Not interested in a background check opening space for ad hominem. Something news howed up, people are scared of changes, shitstorm is coming, the PR crew will sort this out (hahahhaha) and everyone will be mery in their ways. And CCP, please stop feeding the trolls. You know this is the kind of thing that will be over simplified and cause embaracment for everyone, next step is the media coverage, than the questions "will Dust suceed after such a turmoil?" and then a zombie apocalypse shows up the world ends and the universe explodes, all because a little change. *Sight*
Condescending much?
How about this: people communicate in EVE by text because its a PC game and typing is the universal PC means of communication. On modern consoles voice chat is the universal means of communication.
Furthermore, consider this: CCP want DUST players to be as involved, and have as much impact on the shared universe, as EVE players.
No one is going to pay for this when they can get it free. This makes it more difficult for groups in DUST to organise. Increased difficulty means less people will bother. Less people bothering means less emergent gameplay for CCP to boast about and use as a selling point.
Most of the players in EVE and DUST agree that RMT should be limited to cosmetic and sidegrade items. Charging for communication is not only money-grubbing, bizarre, stupid, unnecessary, and annoying, it is also self defeating.
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Umallon Macross
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
281
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:10:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:pyramid
Good for you: stay with what you know and love Mag,cod,bf whatever. I won't judge you for not trying something new. Don't you try to squelch every attempt at innovation that doesn't look just like what you are familiar with
I don't need any MORE companies overcharging me for talking to people who are far away.
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Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
393
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:10:00 -
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I do not see a problem with it in principle, I do think the prices could come down a bit...what is it like $4.50 for a month worth of talk...
If I am in a game and I want to talk to someone else who is in a different game...can't do that on other PS3 FPS... |
Derpdut Zakall
Ordus Trismegistus
2
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:16:00 -
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Pay to talk, well, hopefully the jack***es won't pay for it. I don't mind paying reasonable prices to talk to my team, as long as I can drop the morons from the team. |
Natu Nobilis
51
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:19:00 -
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Umallon Macross wrote:
Condescending much?
How about this: people communicate in EVE by text because its a PC game and typing is the universal PC means of communication. On modern consoles voice chat is the universal means of communication.
Furthermore, consider this: CCP want DUST players to be as involved, and have as much impact on the shared universe, as EVE players.
No one is going to pay for this when they can get it free. This makes it more difficult for groups in DUST to organise. Increased difficulty means less people will bother. Less people bothering means less emergent gameplay for CCP to boast about and use as a selling point.
Most of the players in EVE and DUST agree that RMT should be limited to cosmetic and sidegrade items. Charging for communication is not only money-grubbing, bizarre, stupid, unnecessary, and annoying, it is also self defeating.
Hello.
First, people don-¦t use text in EVE. (Except for spam in local, drawing genitalia and such). They use TS3 / Vent. No one in a serious corp uses text. Voice is the mean of communication. You can-¦t coordinate combats with text. EVE even provides a free com (EVE Voice) for people, but habit / someotherthings make them use external clients.
What is "this" that you mention? We only have a description of an item, in my head its for making PS VITAs using NEOCOM an expensive walkie talkie and paying for it. In yours, it-¦s a restriction on voice comms, removing features that are present as we write (just had a battle using the push to talk (yay \o/) buttons. No charge for it. Same thing as before.
In the future, we-¦ll probably use EVE Voice to communicate with the corp members (corporations can have both dust and eve players). It will probably be free, since it uses the client already in the server we are at ! (One server to rule them all, remember?)
I only see mass hysteria around here, but, that-¦s exactly what a shitstorm is. People manufacturing information out of their heads, assuming they-¦re truth, and complaining about speculations that they themselves created.
How about waiting for clarifications from devs before announcments of "ruined game" ?
Best regards |
howard sanchez
Conspiratus Immortalis
448
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:20:00 -
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Abner Kalen wrote:howard sanchez wrote:Forget what you think you know or have experienced with other games.
That is a box you're living in--get out of it. Try something new. The Aurum will be refunded and you don't have to use it for additional comms channels again.
I love that they are willing to try something new in the micro transaction market. Increased comms bandwidth: brilliant! It seems a little incredulous that they'd expect people to pay for something that should already be included as a part of the game. People are concerned now in the beta because once this game goes live and the price hasn't been significantly reduced or even eliminated, people will not think well on a game that tries to charge people for comms, even if it is for "expanded" comms. It just gives off a bad vibe.
Abner, I hear you. And I agree that when CCP has tried this idea out with a test community that will give it a chance they may decide to adjust how UVTs work or what value we get out of them
I want to encourage all of us to not fall into the 'should already be included as a part of the game' paradigm.
I feel that a lot of the nay-sayers hear about something they are unfamiliar with or haven't tested and judgement is passed immediately
Folks, look at my past posts. Sometimes I am in ccp's camp on issues and sometimes I am not
I am not blindly jumping on whatever bandwagon rolls through town.
I just believe that the micro transaction business model for massive online games has not been fully matured. There is a whole world of value out there to be tested and explored with regard to what a game can offer
I hate the closed minded approach to every new thing
Aurum will be refunded at launch. Try stuff out. If you hate it- say so- but give honest and objective feedback as to why
Help CCP make this something bigger and better than anything else you have thought of
It is not easy to do that if every new idea or product gets rage-flamed by the test crowd the minute it's rolled out
Thank you for considering my opinions |
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LISA MICHELLE WARRIORS
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:22:00 -
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Thor Thunder Fist wrote:yes they are only for player made groups though not for squads. it was announced in the past that we would have to pay aurum for these but we were promised reasonable prices those seem a little....... Its for talking to people on your contacts/ friend list. we cant all get in a match but BS'in with each other would be nice. You have large corp communication would be nice |
Gauder Berwyck
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
217
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:24:00 -
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Rabble! Rabble! |
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS
99
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:27:00 -
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Pay nearly -ú4.00 a month just to talk to people on a game............ Are you fuk1n kidding CCPiss takers.... good luck with getting all your clan members to do that ****..... |
Aaron Atreides
140
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:28:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:Pay nearly -ú4.00 a month just to talk to people on a game............ Are you fuk1n kidding CCPiss takers.... good luck with getting all your clan members to do that ****.....
Again you assume to know what the VT does, but really we dont yet. So just stop acting like its the end of the world already. |
Natu Nobilis
51
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:28:00 -
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I-¦m in the middle of combat. I-¦m using my normal (free) comms with my squad and my team in battle.
I-¦m a spy.
I want to contact my friend outside the corp, so he can launch an orbital strike.
How do i, using my regular (free) squad comms, do this?
*roll drumms* |
howard sanchez
Conspiratus Immortalis
448
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:29:00 -
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Umallon Macross wrote:howard sanchez wrote:pyramid
Good for you: stay with what you know and love Mag,cod,bf whatever. I won't judge you for not trying something new. Don't you try to squelch every attempt at innovation that doesn't look just like what you are familiar with I don't need any MORE companies overcharging me for talking to people who are far away.
Dude, what do you mean 'talking to people who are far away'? Every single company has done this since, when- money was invented?
The East India company, pony express, AT&T,apple. You are always charged to communicate over a distance.
When has this not been the case? And I won't over charge you! I will offer UVTs at low low competitive Isk rates
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The Polish Hammer
Doomheim
373
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:31:00 -
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This whole thread makes my brain hurt. It's not pay to talk. There have been several people who have said that they are still able to chat like they used to. And really, how many times have you said to yourself, "You know what I need, I need to talk to someone on a different planet, RIGHT NOW."
Everyone needs to cool their ****, this seems like a tool that will be needed by high ranking corp members and those who are cross communicating with EVE players. |
Umallon Macross
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
281
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:31:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:Umallon Macross wrote:
Condescending much?
How about this: people communicate in EVE by text because its a PC game and typing is the universal PC means of communication. On modern consoles voice chat is the universal means of communication.
Furthermore, consider this: CCP want DUST players to be as involved, and have as much impact on the shared universe, as EVE players.
No one is going to pay for this when they can get it free. This makes it more difficult for groups in DUST to organise. Increased difficulty means less people will bother. Less people bothering means less emergent gameplay for CCP to boast about and use as a selling point.
Most of the players in EVE and DUST agree that RMT should be limited to cosmetic and sidegrade items. Charging for communication is not only money-grubbing, bizarre, stupid, unnecessary, and annoying, it is also self defeating.
Hello. First, people don-¦t use text in EVE. (Except for spam in local, drawing genitalia and such). They use TS3 / Vent. No one in a serious corp uses text. Voice is the mean of communication. You can-¦t coordinate combats with text. EVE even provides a free com (EVE Voice) for people, but habit / someotherthings make them use external clients. What is "this" that you mention? We only have a description of an item, in my head its for making PS VITAs using NEOCOM an expensive walkie talkie and paying for it. In yours, it-¦s a restriction on voice comms, removing features that are present as we write (just had a battle using the push to talk (yay \o/) buttons. No charge for it. Same thing as before. In the future, we-¦ll probably use EVE Voice to communicate with the corp members (corporations can have both dust and eve players). It will probably be free, since it uses the client already in the server we are at ! (One server to rule them all, remember?) I only see mass hysteria around here, but, that-¦s exactly what a shitstorm is. People manufacturing information out of their heads, assuming they-¦re truth, and complaining about speculations that they themselves created. How about waiting for clarifications from devs before announcments of "ruined game" ? Best regards
That's a lot of assumption and wishful thinking there dude.
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Umallon Macross
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
281
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:33:00 -
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All you guys saying this is fine:
Enjoy being suckered out of your money. |
Vitriol18
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:33:00 -
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Renember when you first released eve voice CCP, renember how you first wanted to charge people to be able to use it.
What happened, NO ONE USED IT, you advertiised it on the splash sceen, let people have a free trial, NO ONE USED IT, you eventually gave up on a bad idea and let everyone use it for free, adding content to eve for small ad-hoc entities (such as old FW) shame you let it rot on the vine though, the constant random kicks from the server basically killed it for serious fleet work.
If everyone has to seperately buy this, for out of game voice chat it will not work, organised groups will just use skype or TS or mumble or w/e, unorganised groups just wont use it.
If just for example 1 person bought it and it worked for the whole clan i could just about maybe see it working, maybe. Still wouldnt bet on it though. |
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