It seems this plan goes against much of the F2P data I have read. Most of which acknowledges that in this model a vast majority of players will spend nothing or next to nothing in-game. A considerable amount of "profit" is made from a small number of players spending a lot.

Targeting UVT's as a source of profit aims to try and capitalize on the majority element. This seems like a poor business decision regardless whether or not it is "fair". Perception is a strong force, especially within the greater gaming community.

It feels wrong. It will be perceived as wrong no matter how people try and justify it. Therefore, it will hurt the game and ultimately undercut CCP in the long run. Better to hit restart and try to develop a profitable element of the game that will be more widely accepted by the greater community.

Just my opinion.

Shitstorm coming.

People, be reasonable: (HAHAHAHHA)

Talking during fight: Free
Talking on the corp channel: Not sure about that, probably free.

Talking to people like a freaking cell phone using your vita and the neocom: A paid service.

Does this REALLY seems unreasonable for you ?

I wouldn-¦t pay, but charge a vita neocom voice chat is not unreasonable.

Loved the graphics, prefered the old voices, THE HELL HAPPEND TO MY DROPSHIPS. I used to pilot, now i suck completely.

You guys know if you select activate voice on the corp channel you can everyone talking, right? I'm sure it will stay that way when we get player corps. If we don't, then use teamspeak or something.

Hello,

Just to clarify what UVT is supposed to enable and what you get for free:

UVT Gives you:

- Ability to voice chat in custom channels, DUST or EVE/DUST
- Ability to voice chat in corporation channels, alliance channels, ect.

Hello,

Just to clarify what UVT is supposed to enable and what you get for free:

UVT Gives you:

- Ability to voice chat in custom channels, DUST or EVE/DUST
- Ability to voice chat in corporation channels, alliance channels, ect.

I will not pay for UVT in EVE - I'll truck out a computer to the TV or hook up my phone with Mumble first. I imagine other DUSTers who are affiliated with established alliances in EVE will do the same.

Good grief, what a bunch of sniveling ingrates. lol You are getting everything offered in traditional MP FPS games for FREE in a FREE to play game. Seriously, was a mission to wade through all the snot from from the last 20 pages.

@CCP - Don't listen to these kiddies and their bloated sense of entitlement. Your business model is fine.

Good grief, what a bunch of sniveling ingrates. lol You are getting everything offered in traditional MP FPS games for FREE in a FREE to play game. Seriously, was a mission to wade through all the snot from from the last 20 pages.

@CCP - Don't listen to these kiddies and their bloated sense of entitlement. Your business model is fine.

My 2 cents.

1) All the VoIP relevant to the gameplay is free. Battle comms, and squad comms, even out of game. No one is ever at a disadvantage in battle.

2) EVE voice is not used in EVE, so nobody will be buying it to talk to EVE people. Corp/alliance chats, or other text channels that are used in EVE are free for text use from DUST too, so that's that covered.

3) EVE corps with VoIP servers will just let their dusties use it for free.

These 3 points mean that 99% of people will have access to all the comms they need. Play now and again on your own, or with a few friends? Battle and Squad chat is free, so you're sorted. Play with a big corp or alliance? They will have their own text channels, and external VoIP servers.

Now the only people left are those new DUST corps starting up. The vast majority of people these days have computers, especially the people who will have an internet connection and PS3, which are required for DUST anyway. They can therefore be presumed to be able to use external comms like mumble or TS3. A 100 person mumble server , at the quick pricing I just did, was $32 a month. For 100 people to get the voicebox, costs $360 a month (using the numbers at the start of this thread).

Now while that is a case of each person chipping in a little, it's clearly not just them covering bandwidth costs. There is a massive profit to be had there. I'm not saying they can't make money, it's F2P so there has to be some nice profits from somewhere, but assuming that mumble hosting is not making any profit (which is, of course, false) then CCP are making $328 a month, assuming similar costs hosting the VoIP (which, again is probably wrong, their huge datacentres are no doubt tuned better than small VoIP hosting companies.)

If it sells, I don't mind, people will pay for what they need, and per person, it isn't a lot per month. But to make it an attractive option to anyone in the know, they will have to drop costs dramatically. I would suggest moving the cost away from individual users, and making voiceboxes something that a corp or person requires to open a channel to voice comms. Price it along the same lines as similar VoIP offerings on PC. So for example, a 10,000 aurum voicebox, allows 100 voice users on the corp channel. That is around $40, which is a much more realistic cost for the service. Actually, just price voiceboxes at 100 aurum, per month, per slot. Then when creating a channel you select the number of voice slots, and it creates a standing order for that from the corp aurum wallet (which all members can pay into, to help fund the voip costs, and whatever else the corp is buying).

Edit :

While this idea does mean that each channel needs to be paid for, instead of each person, meaning i can't pay my 900 aurum and talk anywhere, it does mean that each individual person does not need to buy it. If john doe can't afford aurum, or is not able to buy aurum for some reason, then he can still talk.

EVE ONLINE CORPORATIONS DO NOT USE EVE VOICE

Seriously CCP, Almost every significant Eve corporation does not use Eve Voice. The reasons are many, but mostly Eve players don't want to use an integrated voice chat that means you loose voice comms if your client crashes. And while eve voice isn't bad, it sure as hell isn't nearly as good as Mumble.

And here's another fun fact .... Mumble is OPEN SOURCE

So basically, trying to charge for a voice service that most eve online corporations will not use is a pointless exercise. Its also a mind numbingly STUPID IDEA because all you are doing is making your customers angry. Please, you have to find a better solution.

Imagine a communications client that combines all the features of EVE Mail, EVE Voice, Contacts Lists, Chat Channels.

Lets call it Fluid.

You plug in the details for each of your accounts and it gives you complete access to any means of communication your characters have access to, including things like Local Chat for the system you are in, even without your EVE or DUST client running.

It gives you controls to facilitate things like transferring contacts between accounts.

You can use it to talk via text or voice with players on EVE, DUST, EVE Gate, DUST Gate, or the Fluid client.

Non-EVE accounts would have access to most features, but could subscribe to the rest for 100 Aurum a month, or they could be sponsored by their corporation. They would also get free months of Fluid sub every time they make an Aurum purchase.

1 free month with 400 Aurum
2 free months with 1100 Aurum
5 free months with 2500 Aurum
10 free months with 5000 Aurum

For EVE players it would be included in their subscription.

The Fluid client could be released for PC, PS3, iOS and Android.

Imagine if you could join a briefing of DUST mercs by a corp CEO in EVE, using the Fluid client on your iphone.